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Does anyone have any info on a Hugh wagstaff and Margaret Weir who had a son John Wagstaff born in Coylton in 1824.
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Hi Hnest
Found the birth
25/02/1824 WAGSTAFF JOHN HUGH WAGSTAFF/MARGARET WEIR FR475 M Coylton /AYR
But alas nothing for the marriage on either IGI or Scotkand's People.
Did they marry in Scotland ?
Ann
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hi pal, big big welcome to rootschat
found this on the 1841 census
john- age 15- ag lab
he is working on a farm owned by george reid - 65- farmer, in mole, coylton
i cannot find any sign of hugh
talking about hugh, could your hugh be the son of joseph and jean brown?
if so he belongs to a huge family from loudoun.
i have found a joseph wagstaff born c1776 and jean c1770
they had children
susanna 1792
james-1794
joseph-1795
john-1796
hugh- 1799
jean- 1802
john- 1805
margaret- 1806
thomas- 1808
archiebald- 1810
janet- 1814
all born loudoun
trying to help
Joe
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Thank you both for your reply. I have been told that this Hugh was a son of Joseph and Jean but can not find any hard evidence that the Hugh that is listed as their son is the same as mine. I also can not find any record of a marriage of Hugh and Margaret so I am at a dead end but never mind we must never give up .
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Hi honest
I think what Joe posted looks like a strong contender. You may find the records not on Scot;and;s People if they werenlt church of Scotland - have same issue myself grrr.
However all not lost. If you can narrow doiwn parush the Natuional Archives Scotland do have records of non-conformist i.e. anything except c of S. Is worth giving them a call.
http://www.nas.gov.uk/
I did and was glad I did!
The problem really is folks were supposed to have their own ceremony in their own church and then pay Cof S to 'register'/ Most didn;t either cos they couldn't afford to or they objected to paying another church so they didn't. However their own church did have a record and that's what NAS holds. What they have and how far back does vary but you can ring or email
Worth a go I'd say
Ann
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Hugh Wagstaff is one of my ancestors and I could not find any marriage record either. Hugh married Barbara Ferguson on 26 June 1841 in Loudoun. She was born in 1818 so was a lot younger than him. They had two children, Hugh and Jean Ross (married Richard Morton 15 June 1864).
Hugh died on 14 Feb 1849 of cholera.
Hope this helps you! ;D
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hi pal,
18 wagstaff's on the 1841 census in loundon.
main street, loundon
jean...age 70
hugh...age 20...weaver
thomas....age 20...tile maker
margaret love...age 15
main street, loundon
h...age 30...labourer
margaret...age 30
john...age 5
joseph...age 3
alstonpopple, loundon
james...age 45...hand loom weaver
jean...age 40
james...age 22...hand loom weaver
william...age 20...farm labourer
agnes...age 18
ann...age 16
jean...age 12
louise...age 10
margaret...age 3
john...age 4
dort burn, loudon
john macking...age 30...hand loom weaver
margaret...age 25
william...age 27....hand loom weaver
jean...age 20
stewart...age 15....hand loom weaver
stewart wagstaff...age 3
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Thanks for that information, it is a great help.
Stephen
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Hello,
I just wanted to point out that "H Wagstaff" is actually "A Wagstaff" in this family. This is Archibald Laurie Wagstaff's family. The "A" is apparent on the actual census record.
h...age 30...labourer
margaret...age 30
john...age 5
joseph...age 3
Regards
Trish
hi pal,
18 wagstaff's on the 1841 census in loundon.
main street, loundon
jean...age 70
hugh...age 20...weaver
thomas....age 20...tile maker
margaret love...age 15
main street, loundon
h...age 30...labourer
margaret...age 30
john...age 5
joseph...age 3
alstonpopple, loundon
james...age 45...hand loom weaver
jean...age 40
james...age 22...hand loom weaver
william...age 20...farm labourer
agnes...age 18
ann...age 16
jean...age 12
louise...age 10
margaret...age 3
john...age 4
dort burn, loudon
john macking...age 30...hand loom weaver
margaret...age 25
william...age 27....hand loom weaver
jean...age 20
stewart...age 15....hand loom weaver
stewart wagstaff...age 3
Joe
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hi trish,
let me first welcome you to rootschat and thank you so much for clearing up the 1841 census for your archibald.
i am almost sure that the rootschatters interested in this thread would be interested in anymore details you have regarding your archibald.
if you do not have any more i am sure if you post your details here that some kind soul will help.
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Certainly. I'm happy to share what I have on Archibald and family. Much of this is compiled from the Pedigree Resource File of Claude Wrathall, and from Stephen who originated this thread. I am descended from Archibald's brother, Hugh.
Archibald Laurie Wagstaff
b. 23 Apr 1810 Loudoun
d. 5 Mar 1861, Newmilns
Parents: Joseph Wagstaff and Jean Brown
Spouse Margaret MacKay
7 Known Children
John Wagstaff
b. abt. 1835 Loudoun.
Stewart McKay Wagstaff
b. 19 Feb 1837 Newmilns
Joseph Wagstaff
b. 24 Jun 1839 Loudoun
d. abt 1906
(note – there is a christening record for a son Joseph in 1844, so some have speculated that there were 2 Josephs, one b. 1839 who died bef. 1844, then a second b. 1844 who d. 1906)
Son Wagstaff
b. and d. 1841
William Wagstaff
b. abt. 1842 Loudoun
d. Apr or May 1850 Loudoun
Archibald Wagstaff
b. Feb 1843
d. 27 Mar 1903
William Wagstaff
b. 1851 - 1852 Galston
d. bef. 1916
Cheers,
Trish
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hi trish,
this is what i have found so far, hope it may be of some help
1851 census- brown street, galston
archibald...age 40...mason's labourer
margaret...age 40
stewart...age 14...hand loom weaver
joseph...age 12
archibald...age 8
stewart married elizabeth young in galston 1/1/1857
wagstaff children from the marriage showing up on the igi's
archibald...born loudoun 27/6/1858
margaret...born galston...22/11/1859
martha mckay...born galston 17/5/1862
jean mckay...born galston 14/1/1865
robert young...born galston 10/4/1867
archibald...born galston...15/8/1869
william young...born loudoun 14/1/1872
joseph...born loudoun 29/4/1874
john married jean mair in mauchline 17/7/1857
archibald...born tarbolton 22/9/1858
marion smillie...born mauchline 14/8/1860
john...born mauchline 2/1/1863
jean...born mauchline 30/8/1865
john(twin)...born loudoun 4/11/1868
margaret(twin)...born loudoun 4/11/1868
williamina...born loudoun 27/1/1871
janet smith...born loudoun 12/12/1873
1861 census- main street, loudoun
margaret...age 50...pirn filler
joseph...age 22...weaver
archibald...age 17...labourer
william...age 9
1861 census- brown street, galston
stewart...age 24...cotton weaver
elizabeth...age 23
margaret...age 1
1861 census- deaconbank, mauchline
john...age 26...railway surfaceman
jean...age 25
archibald...age 2
marion...age 7 months
1871 census- isles street, newmilns
stewart...cotton weaver
elizabeth...age 34
margaret...age 11
helen...age 7
jane...age 5
robert...age 4
archibald...age 2
1871 census- burnside cottage, loudoun
john...age 36...railway surfaceman
jean...age 34
archibald...age 12
marion...age 10
jean...age 5
john...age 2
margaret...age 2
william m....age 2 months
1881 census- northgate, peebles
stewart...age 45...millworker
elizabeth...age 45
jane...age 16...millworker
robert...age 14...millworker
archibald...age 12
william...age 9
elizabeth...age 3
1881 census- 4 doitburn street, loudoun
john...age 45...labourer
jane...age 45
archibald...age 20...labourer
jane...age 16...general servant
john...age 12
margaret...age 12
williamina...age 9
janet...age 7
mary...age 4
1891 census- 17 old town, peebles
stewart...age 55...weaver
elizabeth...age 55
jane...age 29...millworker
helen...age 28
archibald...age 19...mason
elizabeth...age 13
james swinton...grand-son...age 6
james price...grand-son...age 3
elizabeth price...grand-daughter...age 1
1891 census- hawthorn cottage, main street, loudoun
john..age 56...railway labourer
jean...age 55
margaret...age 22...lace darner
minnie...age 20...dressmaker
janet...age 18...lace darner
mary...age 14
robert mills...grand-son...age 2 months
william mckay...uncle...age 86...retired weaver
1901 census- 132 holigate, uphall, west lothian
william main...age 34...shale miner
jean...age 35
john...age 9
stewart...age 6
marion...age 3
william...age 1
stewart wagstaff...father-in-law...age 63...oil work labourer
Joe
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Fantastic! Thanks very much. - Trish
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Regarding this household listed by Joe:
Main street, Newmilns, Loudoun
Jean Wagstaff...age 70
Hugh Wagstaff...age 20...weaver
Thomas Wagstaff....age 20...tile maker
Margaret Love...age 15
If anyone is able to shed light on the parents of this Hugh Wagstaff "20" living with Jean Wagstaff (M.S. Brown) during the 1841 c., I would greatly appreciate any clues. He may be Jean's son (or possibly grandson), but we have no birth record to verify.
I am certain that this Hugh is not Jean's son Hugh b. 1799 who resided in Paisley during the 1841 c. with his wife and several children. He had several occupations over the years, but was never known to be a weaver as far as I know.
We believe the Hugh listed here is the Hugh that married Barbara Ferguson later in 1841.
Margaret Love is also listed in this household. Her burial record describes her as Jean's granddaughter, but we have not been able to determine who her parents were.
Thomas may be Jean's son Thomas b. 1808, but the age (listed "20") would be off a bit on this census (I guess stranger things have happened). Thomas should be abt. 33 in 1841.
Regards,
Trish
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hi trish,
thomas wagstaff married helen kay 5/11/1846 loudoun
1851 census- west dalley, galston
thomas...age 43...farm labourer
helen...age 44
mary...age 4
hugh...age 2
thomas turnbull...son-in-law...age 8
james highlet....son-in-law...age 17...hand loom weaver
john kay...age 87...former farm labourer
1861 census- main street, newmilns
thomas...age 50...labourer
helen...age 56...pirn winder
mary...age 14...weaver
hugh...age 12...weaver
susan....age 9
mary wagstaff married matthew connell 10/2/1871
1871 census- mid gate house, galston
thomas...age 62...labourer
helen...age 68
hugh...age 22...hand loom weaver
susan...age 19...hand loom weaver
matthew connell...grand-son...age 1
after the 1871 census, susan wagstaff married archibald love in galston 18/8/1871
1881 census- lanfine old lodge, galston
thomas...age 73...labourer
helen...age 80
hugh...age 32...hand loom weaver
1881 census- 16 kilholm street, loudoun
matthew connell...age 40....weaver
mary...age 34
matthew...age 11
mary...age 9
william...age 7
thomas wagstaff connell...age 5
helen...age 2
jane...age 11 months
1881 census- main street kilmaurs
archibald love...age 34...shoemaker(journeyman)
susan...age 29
helen...age 9
robert...age 7
archibald...age 5
mary...age 1
1891 census- 60 loudoun road, loudoun
matthew connell...age 52...weaver
mary...age 44
mary...age 19...stocking framer
william...age 17...shutler
thomas...age 15...shutler
helen...age 13
jane...age 11
robert...age 8
james...age 3
1891 census- irvine vennel, off main street, kilmaurs
susan...age 41...boot finisher
helen...age 19...boot finisher
robert...age 17...boot finisher
archibald...age 15...boot finisher
mary...age 10
thomas...age 8
agnes...age 7
allan...age 5
1901 census- 44 riverbank street, loudoun
matthew connell...age 62...weaver
mary...age 64
thomas...age 24...weaver
helen...age 23
jane...age 21...winder
robert...age 19...weaver
james...age 13
mary w young...age 3...grand-daughter
thomas young...age 11 months...grandson...born philadelphia, usa
Joe
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Thanks again, Joe. I will review all that you have sent. There is undoubtedly new information here for me.
Best,
Trish
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Just a thanks to Joe for all the information, I am sure there is some new stuff for me in there as well
Cheers
Honestman
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Hi All,
Have done a Wagstaff search on Scotlandspeople of OPR births and baptisms from 01 jan 1730 to 31 dec 1843 inclusive of all parishes not just Loudoun. The only Hugh listed to Joseph and Jean is b.22/12/1799.
The only Thomas is b.24/07/1808
How can we tell that the Jean Wagstaff 1841c is actually Jean Brown Wagstaff? I think it very likely as I know the age fits for us but 1841 c does tend to be wrong ages in a lot of cases.
Think I'm getting more confused! ???
Regards
catherine
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Hi Catherine,
I don't blame you a bit for being confused, especially when it comes to the two Hughs. That's a good question regarding why we assume this Jean Wagstaff is Jean M.S. Brown.
Here are some thoughts...
Jean's husband Joseph Wagstaff died 1833, so we know that Jean would have been a widow in 1841.
All of the other Wagstaffs in Newmilns in the 1841 c. are Jean and Joseph's children and their families (no indication of a second Wagstaff family in the area).
As you say, the age fits. There are no other known female Wagstaffs that would be this age in Newmilns, except for Jean the wife of Joseph. It's possible, of course, that this is another Jean Wagstaff that we don't know about.
We have this OPR burial record for 19 Feb 1847 (from Claude Wrathall's transcriptions): "old Weddaw Wagstaff Tounhead Newmilns She is intered in the northmost Graff of George Smith Lair in the Brouns new Ground at the west dyke."
(note she was buried in the "Brouns new Ground")
These burial records go back to 1811, and we have no other burial record that indicates the death of Jean.
There are no other Jean Wagstaffs (except for her descendants) that appear in the census after 1841.
So, I guess our assumption is based on the age of Jean Wagstaff in the census, and circumstantial evidence. This certainly could be flawed, but based on what we know I feel pretty good about assuming this is our Jean Brown.
Best,
Trish
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hi all,
back to stephen's original question on john born 1824....
john married elizabeth downie on the 19/7/1844
1851 census- toppa
john...age 27...tea dealer's shopman
elizabeth...age 30
john...age 4
james...age 1
elizabeth downie...niece...age 5 (dau of james and mary mckinlay)
1861 census- coylton
john...age 37...farm labourer
john...age 14...farm labourer
james...age 11
hugh...age 9
william...age 6
elizabeth downie...age 15...housekeeper
stephen if we stop here for a minute...
william was born 25/1/1855 i suggest you get on to sp website for his birth details as they will contain a lot of info about john and elizabeth.
the pringles play a great part in this family, as of yet i have not made the connection between the wagstaffs and the pringles.
1871 census- hillhead
john...age 47...labourer
elizabeth...age 51
james...age 21...grocer
hugh...age 18...pupil teacher
also at home with john is the niven family (mother catherine mclymont pringle)
sevaerance...age 14...born singapore
margaret...age 14...born singapore
annie...age 11....born sinapore
agnes...age 11...born singapore
jane...age 9...born singapore
robert...age 8...born singapore
james...age 6...born coylton
john...age 4....born singapore
**** their father james parker niven must be travelling back and forth from singapore (maybe with tea??)
also with john is janet morrison (nee pringle, dau of john and janet campbell)(seaman's wife) is he also bringing back tea???
janet morrison...sister-in-law...age 48...visitor
janet morrison...niece...age 21
1871 census- 134 high street, ayr (lodging with david frazer)
john...age 24...grocer
william...age 16...grocer
1881 census- hillhead
john...age 57...labourer
elizabeth...age 61
janet morrison...niece...age 30...dressmaker
1881 census- lorne row, coylton
william...age 26...coal miner
susan...age 27
william...age 4
james...age 2
john...age 11 months
hugh mcdowall...stepson...age 9 (born 17/6/1871 to susan mcdowall)
1881 census- 11 queen street, st quivox
john...age 33...commerical traveller
martha...age 25
john wilson wagstaff...age 3
minnie sillars wagstaff...age 1
1891 census- hillhead
john...age 67...labourer
elizabeth...age 71
john pringle niven...nephew...age 24...student of law...born singapore
1891 census- lorne row, coylton
william...age 36...coal miner
susan...age 37
william...age 14...coal miner
james...age 12...coal miner
john...age 10
george...age 8
lawrence...age 6
campbell...age 5
elizabeth...age 3
hugh mcdowall...stepson...age 19...coal miner
1891 census- main street, auchinleck
john...age 44...grocer
martha...age 35
john w...age 13...pupil teacher
james d...age 8
martha w...age 5
hugh w...age 1
1901 census- cumnock road, hillhead
elizabeth...age 85
1901 census- lorne row, coylton
william...age 46...coal miner
susan...age 48
william...age 24...coal miner
james...age 22...coal miner
john...age 20...coal miner
george...age 19...coal miner
lawrence...age 17...coal miner
campbell...age 15...coal miner
elizabeth...age 13
1901 census- main street, auchinleck
john...age 54...grocer
martha...age 45
james...age 18...chemist's assistant
martha...age 15
hugh...age 11
i hope this is of some help
Joe
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Hi Joe,
just to let you know that John married Elizabeth Pringle in 1861 after the death of his first wife Elizabeth Downie in 1857.
In the 1861 census other boarders in the building include Elizabeth Pringle and her father, sister Janet Morrison and her children, Janet and William.
In the 1871 census, John and Elizabeth Pringle Wagstaff were joined by the Niven children after the death of her sister Catherine in Singapore in 1867.
James P Niven and John P Niven from Edinburgh erected a headstone in 'affectionate' memory of Elizabeth and husband John in Coylton Churchyard.
Regards
Cat
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thanks cat,
see the marriage of john and elizabeth 6/12/1861
do not wish to divert from the wagstaff's but was'nt that wonderful of the niven children.....
here is their mum in the census.
1841 census- arthurson, coylton (pringle family)
john...age 50...farm labourer
janet...age 50
catherine...age 13
1851 census- hillhead (pringle family)
john...age 61...farm labourer
elizabeth...age 32...housekeeper
janet....age 30...seaman's wife
janet morrison...grand-daughter...age 1...seaman's daughter
1861 census- coylton (pringle family)
john...age 71...former farm labourer
elizabeth...letter carrier
janet morrison...age 40
janet morrison...age 11
william morrison...age 8
1871 census- 15 high main street, dalmellington
william morrison...lodger...age 18...mineral borer
home of james murdoch
1881 census- hillhead (morrison family)
janet...age 59...former cook
william...age 27...fireman in coal mine
1881 census- 15 warrender park terrace, newington (niven family)
agnes...age 26...dividends
jane b...age 19...dividents
james p...age 16
john p...age 14
1881 census- 374 st.vincent street, glasgow (home of jessie mcbeth)
robert niven...lodger...age 18...shipbroker's clerk
1891 census- hillhead (morrison family)
janet...age 72...former cook
1891 census- coylton (morrison family)
william...age 38...coal miner
annie...age 30
janet c p...age 8 months
1891 census- 100 elderslie st, glasgow (home of william balloch)
robert niven...age 27...clerk
james niven...age 22...student of medince
1901 census- hillhead (morrison family)
william...age 48...coal miner
annie...age 39
janet...age 10
william...age 7
1901 census- 29 myrtle terrace, edinburgh (home of john mathieson)
john niven...age 34...law clerk
james niven...age 36...managing law clerk
hope this may be of help
Joe
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Hi Joe,
Thanks for all your hard work in answer to my question. Lots of the stuff I already had but lots I had not got round to yet so thanks for saving me and any other Wagstaff researcher a lot of hard work.
The Niven connection with John has always interested me and as you say how good of them to erect John and Elizabeths gravestone.
Thanks again Joe
Stephen
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Hello
Sorry to join in half way through this thread but Im trying to locate more information about the Singapore Nivens. Is there any chance any of you have more information. My great great grandmother was Catherine Mcniven of Islay and we know this Niven family came from Islay but Im trying to find the link. Many thanks
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Just to add to the above thread re Niven of Singapore
He was a Nutmeg plantation owner and also did the layout for what later became the Singapore Botanical Gardens- I have his name as Laurence Niven.
There is also a connection of Robert Burns to Nivens
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hi pal,
warm welcome to rootschat.
if anything a researcher finds a nightmare it is having 2 james niven's born in singapore... not just 2 james's but what about 2 robert's!!!!
going by my earlier posts it looks like that robert in 1881 census is yours, and in 1891 he is with his brother james in 101 elerslie street, glasgow. here maybe be your link to argyll.
1901 census- dunaverty cottage, southend, argyll
doctor james niven...age 32...reg-mall practitioner...born singapore
elizabeth y....age 25...born england
laurence...age 8...born glasgow
florence n b...age 3....born england
1901 census- 9 crown circus road, partick, glasgow
robert...age 37...shipping manager...born singapore
janet...age 30
laurence...age 1
so if these nivens belong to you where are the others???
Joe
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1881 census- eglinton arms hotel, alloway street, ayr
robert niven...age 27...clerk
could this be him?
Joe
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Don't know if this will be of any help to you re Nivens but in Coylton Churchyard there are two monumental inscriptions to the family.
'Er by James P Niven Esq merchant Singapore in affectionate remembrance of his wife Catherine McLimont Pringle d at Singapore 23 Mar 1867 aged 38 yr 8mths; also of his daus Annie Aitken d Hillhead Coylton 19 Nov 1872 aged 14 yr 6mth; Jessie Campbell d Singapore 9Jan 1874 aged 20yr 6mths; the above James Parker Niven d at Hillhead 6 Sep 1876 aged 56; also his son Lawrence d Hong Kong 31 May 1890 aged 33; also his daus Agnes Alice Hamilton( Mrs Alec Buyers) d Shanghai 29 Jun 1919 in her 64th year; and Jeanie Buyers (Mrs Sam Groundwater)'
'In memory of Laurence Niven late of Singapore d Hillhead 21 Aug 1876 aged 51.' 'Also in memory of his wife Jane Newbold d Singapore 21 Jan 1906 aged 69 and is interred there.'
Hope this helps
Cat30
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Thanks Runningbear and Cat 30 for the additional information. Im still on the trail but it has helped me get abother generation back to see if there is a link
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Hi I am new to this forum and maybe a little late. I too am a decendant of Hugh Wagstaff. I have found this link showing there were 2 Hugh Wagstaff's sons of Joseph and Jean (Brown) Wagstaff. One born in 1799 married Margaret Weir and one born 1818 married Barbara Ferguson. The author has everthing referenced but the references are not specific. They may be for his own information and have them listed elsewhere. It is worth a shot contacting him.
Regards,
MJ
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/a/g/Stephen-Wagstaff/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0029.html
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Hi
I am a descendant of Laurence Niven and his son James Parker Niven (named after his uncle). My great grandfather James was born in Singapore ( he wrote a bit about the family in Sinapore in the following link ( he became a doctor and was based at Southend Cambelltown Scotland) i am interested on any information about his mother that may have been called Jane her father was a Col Thomas John Newbold.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nivenfamily/genealogica_chapter7.html
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Hi,
My husband is also a descendant of Hugh Wagstaff son of Joseph Wagstaff and Jean Brown of Loudoun Parish.
Re. Hugh's brother Archibald Lawrie Wagstaff https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTK3-V95.
I believe Archibald was probably :-\ named after the Minister of Loudoun Church during this period - the Rev. Archibald Lawrie.
http://www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/LawrieTheRevDrArchibald17681511837.514.shtml
The Rev. Archibald Lawrie and his father Rev. George Lawrie were friends of Robert Burns who visited them at The Manse in Newmilns.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/AYR/Loudoun/pigot.html .
Looby :)
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Hi,
I too am a descendant of Hugh. Thanks both for posting the information on your family branches I have found it all most interesting.
Stephen Wagstaff
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Browsing on Rootschat and found your post 11/08/13. wow! what a surprise! My children are also descendents of Laurence Niven/James Parker Niven. My late husband being Laurence - who visited NZ in the 1950's when he was a Merchant Navy Marine Engineer and if you are a related you will probably be a child of Sandy (son of William & Remu). I do hope that you are still following up the posts on Rootschat.
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I have photos of William Niven/Remu - would you be interested in viewing them?
best wishes and happy new year. boudica
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My children are related to you (cousins once removed) so please get in touch if you are still interested).
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Please get in touch with me. I have the information you require re Lawrence/James Parker Niven. My husband was James Parker Niven's grandson! I would really like to set up a link with you,. Boudica.
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Boudicca - cannot reply to you private chat but you are correct my grandparents were William (Jock) and Rimu Niven.
would love to know more about my grandfathers brotherI have photos of William Niven/Remu - would you be interested in viewing them?
best wishes and happy new year. boudica
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Please get in touch with me. I have the information you require re Lawrence/James Parker Niven. My husband was James Parker Niven's grandson! I would really like to set up a link with you,. Boudica.
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Hi Watchernz,
Boudica's emails do not appear to be working at the moment, I have just sent her a message about your reply but we may have to wait for boudica to log in to receive it.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Sarah
Thanks for doing that
Jenny
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Hi, I am a newby to RootsChat and I am here because I was told about the Niven family search and the NZ and Newbold connections. Jane Niven, nee Newbold, born circa 1837 was the daughter of my gt.gt.gt uncle Captain Thomas John Newbold (1807-1850). We have been trying to find what happened to descendants of William Brown Niven (aka Jock) and Remu Emily Holmes. Their son Henry James Niven (1949-1973) died in Rotorua, did he leave a family or have any siblings? We live in NZ and would love to know.
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Hi, I am a newby to RootsChat and I am here because I was told about the Niven family search and the NZ and Newbold connections. Jane Niven, nee Newbold, born circa 1837 was the daughter of my gt.gt.gt uncle Captain Thomas John Newbold (1807-1850). We have been trying to find what happened to descendants of William Brown Niven (aka Jock) and Remu Emily Holmes. Their son Henry James Niven (1949-1973) died in Rotorua, did he leave a family or have any siblings? We live in NZ and would love to know.
My grandparents were William Brown Niven (Jock) and Rimu Emily Niven (née Holmes). They had two sons, my uncle Harry (Henry James Niven) who was killed in a car crash in 1973 and my father, Laurence Alexander Niven (Sandy) who was born in Wellington in 1940 and passed away in Takanini Auckland in 2016. Uncle Harry had no issue and my father had four children, Margaret, Jennifer (me), Douglas and Andrew. Margaret and her family are in Australia, and Andrew and his family are in Germany. Dad (Sandy has 13 grandchildren and one great grandchild who currently are located in NZ, Germany, Australia and France.
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Hi Watchernz, thank you for the new information we only knew about your uncle. If you are interested we have quite a bit of information about your gt. gt grandmother & gt. gt. grandfather. We are in Auckland.