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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: chessiepops on Friday 20 July 07 13:42 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
Does anybody out there have any information regarding the Isaacs Family who travelled around Somerset and Dorset eventually settling in Wincanton. James Isaacs married Trinity Hicks in 1844 and they had approximately 15 children. I am the descendant of Annie (Analetta) Isaacs who married Albert Camfield. Lousie Isaacs married Job Camfield and Deliah Isaacs married John Fry of Cucklington and Alice married Mark Fry and Mary Ann married Henry Hicks. I would love to get in contact with any other Isaacs descendants. I understand that Henry Hicks went to Canada and has descendants there. I would also like to know if anyone has any information as to where James Isaacs came from originally. Also any information regarding the Hicks travelling family would be gratefully received.
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Do you have James and family in 1861?
RG9/1324 Folio 84 Page 6
Vans, Gillingham, Wiltshire
James Isaacs 38 Licensed Hawker All born Dorset Marnel?
Trinity 36 Licensed Hawker
Henery 16 Licensed Hawker
Jane 14 Licensed Hawker
Allace 12
Delia 10
John 8
Mary 6
Betsey 4
Lewesa 3
Victoria 1
Anna 4mo
Henery Isaacs brother 36 Licensed Hawker
Harriet 30
James 3?
Caraline 4
Ellen 2
Could "Marnel" be Marnhull, Dorset? In 1851 theres an Edward Isaacs, age 29 Matmaker b. Dorsetshire Marnhull, a prisoner in North Street County Prison, Lewes, Sussex. Brother of James and Henery maybe? HO107/1643 Folio 482 Page 61
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Hi Cat One,
Thanks for the post. I do have that 1861 census information for them but I haven't got the Edward Isaacs info. It does seem quite likely that it is a brother. It gives me another line of enquiry.
Many thanks.
Ginny
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Have you seen this one in 1851?
Henry Isaac 65/8? Tinman Dorset Marnel
Harriett 64 Sussex Hastings
HO107/1657 Folio 228 Page 29
Stanshan? Kingston, Portsea, Hampshire
In Doulting, Somerset, 1871 census, theres also a Matthew Isaac (+ family), Hawker, b.c1835 Dorset Marnhull, so seems Marnhull, Dorset produced quite a few Isaac/s travellers.....
Regards
Catherine :)
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I hadn't seen the Henry Isaac 1851 Tinman. That fits in with James Isaacs father who is Edward Isaacs and his occupation was given as a tin plate worker. I was not sure whether that occupation term would refer to somebody working in a tin plate works or the more itinerant tin plate worker that are the occupations of some gypsies/romanies. My James Isaacs was born in Broad Hinton but I have come across Marnhull quite a lot and it is fairly near Wincanton.
I've seen the Matthew census and I'm fairly sure he's probably James's brother. I would dearly love to track down Edward Isaacs but I haven't managed to find him on a census yet.
Thanks for the help again.
Ginny
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Do you have access to 1851 census? This is the only Matthew Isaac/s I can find so far :-\
HO107/1933 Folio 154 Page 14
Persons sleeping in tents, Upton Noble, Somerset
Jane Isaac wid 56 Basket Seller Berks Silchister
Harriet 20 dau Basket Seller Wilts Croiton
Matthew 18 son Basket Seller Wilts Huston
F..dric? Ward? serv 15 Basket Seller London
Thomas Talbot son in law 36 Basket Maker London
Mary Ann Talbot wife 32 Wilts Malborough
Elen 13 dau Surrey Farnham
James 9 son Ireland Cork
Goliah 6 son Dorset Pool
Edwi... 3 son Dorset Piddlehinton
Walter 5m? son Som Meulford?
1881 - RG11/2397 Folio 50 Page 18
No sign of Edward though, I cant find this family in 1841 to see if its the right one :-\
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Thanks for that. I was particularly excited by Jane Isaac being from Silchester which is very close to where many of the Hicks family come from in Berkshire. I'm wondering whether she might indeed be a Hicks. The Isaac/Isaacs are very missing from 1841 census. I suppose that the Harriet mentioned could be the Harriet that is mentioned on the 1861 census in Gillingham. I guess that Henry could have taken the name of Isaacs which was common amongst travelling families. I have as yet been unable to find the Huston or Croiton place names. I think I shall have to try a little lateral thinking to decipher them. Another evening looking at a road atlas! Thanks for the help.
Ginny
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Yes I think Henry/Harriet are the ones in Gillingham in 1861. Here he and Harriet are on the same page as Jane in 1871 -
RG10/2440 Folio 43 Page 2
Pecking? Mill, Evercreech, Somerset
Henry Isaacs 43 Wooton Basset? Berkshire
Harriet 43 Lacock? Wiltshire
James 20 Hawker Piddlehinton, Dorsetshire
Caroline 14 Wantage Berkshire
Ellen 10 Scholar Woolampton, Berkshire
Thomas 7 Scholar Mear, Dorsetshire
John 5 Scholar Frome Somersetshire
Edward 3 Evercreech, Somersetshire
Then, after the next household on the page, is -
Jane Isaacs w 77 Hawker Silchester, Berkshire
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Hi CatOne
I'm trying to get my head around all this and work it all out. It would seem that Jane Isaacs's age has been mistranscribed in the 1881 census and should read 86. It clearly is the right lot though.
I inadvertently gave you the wrong name of James Isaacs's father - it is Thomas not Edward. Still no luck finding evidence of Thomas though. I've found a couple of possibilities of a marriage on the IGI. A Thomas Isaac married a Jane Mills on 29 Dec 1817. There is also a christening of a Henry Isaacs on 26 March 1826 in Little Somerford Wiltshire which is a possibility for Henry being a brother of James if all the rest is correct. But.... as I'm sure you know it is all rather supposition without further fact and evidence.
I appreciate all your thoughts and assistance.
Ginny
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I come from th family of james n trinity hicks .I 2 am findind it hard 2 sort my family ,notice ur on ancestry .my grandparents wer eddie n sophie isaacs ,although on birth certificate e was a hicks .not strange as I think due 2 the censos gypsys wer wary of people .imagine being in 1 village 4 a while havin the censos .then movin on 2another village and sum1 else takes a censos ,they wd think it was weird so theyd change ther name abit.anyway my granddads dad was called morris his wife betsy .his dad was called mattew on censos no wife or childrens names just abt 6 kids .y I don't know.my mum said er granddad was called Arthur ,bt on the marriage of morris n betsty father mattew .I no theres a morris hicks married a athalia ayres .wonder if mattew is realy morris 2 as my mum said wer related to the ayres, don't know.ancestrys so confusing,so wondered if u hv any ideas
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my husband can remember the isaacs when 1962 one had garage just out of wincanton on mere road.near hunters lodge public house.my husband is related to isaacs.
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hv heard abt wincanton rings abell .know me my grandads family stopped there,my grandad was eddie ,his wife sophie,his dad died same yr he was born his dad called marice n wife betsy.
marices dad is on ther marriage cert named mattew.can find which family mattew comes from .
but wen mattew is in censos as married jus shows wife n kids bt no names for any of them jus ages.can find 1 marriage think not certain bt cd hv married athalia ayres ,as mum says wer related to them sum way ,wd like 2 know 4 sure .one thing i do know alot of them buried in yeovil,as relatives bn to graveyard.
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RIGHT JUS READ ALL YOUR CORRASPNDANCE .my mattew was james iaacs brother she was trinity hicks ,and i think she hd 3 or 4 brothers she cd hv well bn relative to james as the isaacs hd habit of changing second name ,dependin wer they wer.u c with travellas they moved village n if the censos ppl came twice they wd gt supicious ,cus they didnt understand.
my grandad eddie was registered hicks.bt was a isaacs born williton
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small world as my grt gran betsys brother james is my husbands grt grandad they wer hollands
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Hi Checkholla, thanks for your messages. Seems like we're distantly related. My great-grandmother was Analetta Isaacs who married Albert Camfield. Analetta was the daughter of James and Trinity Isaacs. Over the last few years I've been able to put together a reasonable tree of the Isaacs family which I've got on Ancestry. You said you'd seen me there. Don't know whether you can access my tree. There are gaps. Analetta and Albert travelled around for a while but eventually settled in Cardiff where I still live. Several years ago I was lucky enough to visit a cousin who has the most amazing photos of the Hicks and the Isaacs when they lived in Wincanton. They were a really good looking family. There were two photographs that I think were most likely James and Trinity. It is an amazing collection. Matthew was definitely James's brother. I've had more difficulty piecing together the Hicks family. That is something I'd really like to do but I don't think it will be easy. Thanks for the message. Get in touch if you want any more information.
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Hello people. I'm Bev and I am doing research into Phoebe Isaacs who was the daughter of William Isaacs and Jessica Hughes. I'd like to know a few things;
1. Does anyone know who William Isaacs parents or grandparents were?
2. Is the name Isaacs at all Jewish?
3. Do you know anyone who might have a photograph of Phoebe or William and Jessica?
Thank you so much for your help. I am not related but doing some research on behalf of a friend in Sydney who may be related.
bev
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hi are you sure its william isaacs and jesica hughes
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Hi. I'm sure it is. If my facts are correct, then it goes as follows...
I've started with Jane Lifely whose mother was Phoebe Isaacs.
Phoebe's parents were William Isaacs born c1816 and Jessica Hughes b1814.
William's parents were Thomas Isaacs b? and Jane Mills b1794.
I would like to find out...
1. Are these facts correct? Does anyone have any records for this?
2. What were the Isaacs family like? I understand that they were from a large well known Gypsy family and I would love some more details of how they lived, what fairs they attended, what goods they made or sold and that kind of thing.
All information would be most gratefully received.
Thank you! Bev.
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my husband can remember the isaacs when 1962 one had garage just out of wincanton on mere road.near hunters lodge public house.my husband is related to isaacs.
Hi, my wife's Grandad had the garage, so will be related to your husband - we are compiling the family tree and are always interested in new information
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there are a few Isaacs burried at stoke trister.
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Hi, yes, my wife's Mum, Aunties and Uncles, Grandparents, Great Grandparents. Great Great Grandparents, and a few more !!
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The Isaacs and Talbot family shown in the 1851 census extract are my ancestors. Jane Isaacs nee Mills my 4×great grandmother. Thomas Talbot and Mary Ann Talbot nee Isaacs my 3x great grandparenrs. "Goliah" talbot is actually Deliah and female. She is my 2x great grandmother
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Hi, Jane Isaacs is also my wife's 3x great grandmother, we still live in the area, not far from Upton Noble or Leigh Common where our side settled
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Yes. My Mary Ann Isaacs (Talbot) was the sister of Matthew, James and Henry mentioned here. So it sounds like we are all related. Do you have any information on the Isaacs family? I know that they were travellers as were the Talbots , the family Mary Ann married.into. rgrds Nigel
PS I have a tree with lots of Isaacs in it up on ancestry.
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Hi Nigel, yes, my wife is descended from James and Trinity , they settled just outside of Wincanton and are buried at Stoke Trister. I am trying to get more information about the Isaacs family, there are a couple of relatives on here
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bev shoot my husband comes from william and jesica line which child do you descend from please
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Hi Bev. From Mary Ann Isaacs, sister of William, James, Henry etc. She married Thomas Talbot. Their daughter Deliah Talbot was my great great grandmother. Sounds like your husband is another cousin! (Already found 2 on here). My tree is up on ancestry if you use it. Nigel
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i dont have ancestry how can i see it can i pm you my email
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Yes please go ahead.if I can answer any questions I'll try from my tree information.
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Sorry to having only just stumbled across your post Ginny and interested in all the replies to it. James Isaacs (b1823) and Trinity Isaacs (nee Hicks) were my wife's 3rd great grandparents. Will now look in more detail at all the comments. If I can add anything I will. Thanks.