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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: audrey on Monday 13 December 04 09:02 GMT (UK)
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I have just bought some books on Maryport and they are amazing to say the least one is Maryport People and Trades in the 19-20 centuries lists two entire streets of families who they were gives names and ages its packed with old photos the second one is called Maryport the Town that refused to die and once again lists families and loads of old photos if any one has an interest in Maryport and they want me to take a look I think the families are the ones that lived there all their lives
Audrey
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I actually wayched the eclipse in Maryport. A funeral was going on at the church at the time, and the passing bell was tolling. I thought that it was strangely appropriate in one way, but then i though how cross he/she must have been to have missed it, but what a tale to tell their children the mourners must have had.
Loved the place I have to say, where can I get these books by post
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Hi
sadly thees wonderfull books are out of print I had my name down in a second hand shop and they kept a lookout for them and i am glad you liked Maryport my dad was born there and used to go several times a year
audrey
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Hello Audrey,
I am looking for Fultons and Pooleys in Maryport and wondered if the book has come up with something! Henry Fulton, my gt grandfather was a stonemason and they seem to be in the Nelson Street/Bells Place area.
I would be really grateful if you could let me know if you find anything.
CJ.
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Hi Audrey,
I'd love to know about any reference to Lowthers - potter/earthenware dealers not the "Sirs".
Some ended up in Maryport but they may not have been the respectable ones lol.
Pam
;D
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I have had a quick look and up to now all I can see is a mension on the war memorial of
T.M. POOLEY
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there is a lot of info on
LOWTHERS there is a phote of a
Pattinson Lowther the bell ringer
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Many thanks for the info. on Pooley, Audrey. I will look at the CWGC Website and see if I can find anything on him.
Best wishes, Ceejay.
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My grandfather was from Maryport and his family had been there for donkey's years. The all seem to have been in mining. Is there any mention of the 'Penn' family in your books?
Thanks
Gillj
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Hi Audrey,
I have some THOMPSON'S from Maryport. Joseph Thompson and his family were on Nelson Lane on the 1841 census - I believe he was a mariner.
Barbara
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Hi, Audrey.
Just joined rootschat and noticed your offer to lookup info on Maryport. William Coey married Jane Thompson in the Primative Methodist Church/Chapel. He was a sea captain and possibly involved in exporting coal to Ireland.
Thanks
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Hello Audrey,
I have four Pattinson Lowthers from cumberland in my family tree so am interested in which book I can find a picture of (hopefully) one of them. Any chance you could post up the title, author and publisher.
Thanks a lot, Adam
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Adam
hear is the name of the books
MARYPORT the town that refused to die
Street Life in Maryport in 1900s
Maryport of Yesteryear
Maryport Past and Presant
all the above by Herbert and Mary Jackson
Maryport by Kieth Thompson
printed by Firpress Ltd Workington
and I can recomend them full of great reading and amazing old photoes
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Thanks for that
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HI Audrey. Do your books mention the Brooker family? My husband's X4 great Grandfather was James Brooker, a noted ship carver who exhibited at the Great Exhibition. He eventually fell on hard times and moved to Sunderland where he ended up in the Sunderland Workhouse. He married Jane Hudson and my hubby is descended from their daughter, Martha Brooker (born 1841, Maryport). She married a German photographer, Paul Stabler, in Sunderland. Thanks for your help
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That name rings bells I will dig them out today I have several I also knew a Brooker family there in the 1950s they lived on Fleming Square
audrey
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Hi Audrey,
I would beinterested in finding out if your books have anything on the Following families:
Cartmer (anything)
Elliot (t) (anything, especially a butcher called John)
Atkinson (William an innkeeper and his daughter Mary, also apossible grandchild called William Andrew Atkinson)
The Elliots and Atkinsons would all be during the 19th Century.
Thanks if you can help ;D
Katrina
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My ancestor John Bragg was born in Maryport 3 mar. 1768. His wife Margaret Walker was also born in Maryport 26 Nov.1769.
Could they possbley be in your books about Maryport.
Thank you.
Kay
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John Elliot opend his first butcher shop at 70 Crosby Street in 1825 Johns son William Elliot opend a shop at 45 Senhouse street lots about Ann Williams wife and his 8 Children also a photo of William in football team . Maryport Tradesmens Football Team
Audrey
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Wow!
Thank you Audrey, I didn't expect there would be so much information. This is defintely the same family as son's son William did marry an Ann Lawson. I have 10 children for then, so some must have died.
Which of the books did you find the information in?
Thank you so much for your help.
Katrina
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Katrina
Street Life in Maryport
by
Herbert Jackson
printed in 1993 I dont know if its still in print
Audrey
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It seems the cartmers were butchers also. If you go to www.historicaldirectories.org and cumberland in the search by county box and put cartmer in the individual search boxes (based on the fact that it is the most unusual name of the 3) you can find them from 1828 to at least 1883. When you have the maryport trades page, you can look for the other names as well. I didn't find william as an innkeeper but I didn't look very hard.
bob
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John Cartmer born abt 1800
first recorded in Maryport 1811 small market stall John Street married Margaret Mulroy 7/2/1820 a lot of reference to descendants all butchers and tenant farmers at Bank End Farm Netherall
audrey
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Kay
nothing on Bragg family
reference to William and Mary Walker living 7 Selby Terrace 1914 went to live Allonby where he died 1949 William was the son of William Walker of Irish street
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Interesting about the publishers being Firpress. I think it was Mike that owned it - he used to be a rugby referee in the 80's and lived near that pub with the round room on the A66 at Great Clifton.
bob
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Thanks Bob about the Cartmer info.
Yes, they were Butchers, and also Mariners, although I'm decesended from the Butcher branch. the John who is named in 1811 is actually the father of the one who married Margaret Mulroy. He should be listed as a Butcher who stands in Maryport Market with an Isaac Cartmer, also Butcher. Isaac is my ancestor.
I was very interested to find out that John Elliot was a Butcher in 1825, I had assumed he became a butcher after Isaac Cartmer died in 1830, thinking that he had took over his father in law's business. So I'm very grateful for that information, Audrey.
I don't have any recordings of William Atkinson in Maryport until the 1871 census, he was the Innkeeper of the Goldern Lion Inn in Senhouse St, Maryport. By 1881 he was the innkeeper of the Senhouse Arms, 139 Crosby St, Maryport, he died in 1889. The family wasn't originally from the area, as William had originally been a Butler in his younger years working for Mr Salkeld at what is now Lime House School, in Dalston and a Mr Bowman, the largest landowner in Botcherby. All his male children moved out of the area, so the Atkinson from this family name never stayed in the Maryport area.
I think I'll have to take a trip to Bookcase in Carlisle to see if they have any of these books. Thanks for all your help Audrey :D
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Dear Audrey, thanks for your kind offer. I see you have been inundated but hope you can manage another.
Thomas BAYLIS married a Mary Ritson in 1770 and he was a mariner living in Maryport and may have been master of a vessel called Nelson in 1777. He was a supperanuated mariner in 1822.
His son also Thomas married Margaret Wright in 1805 and he was also a mariner and they had a son again Thomes who was a mariner then a dockgateman then deputy harbour master in 1881 and died 1882. The family was always in Maryport; King St. and Nelson St were addresses at times. No other Baylis family seemed to be in CUM. at that time.
My g.gran. was Jane Baylis born 1821.
Thanks for any help. Alan Williams
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found loads about the Ritson family but I will need to read what there is and post the relevent bits when I have more time
audrey
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Hi audrey - I have just found your post about your kind offer to look up Maryport families in your books about the town. I am researching the brown family of Maryport. Caaptain George Brown was the Harbour Master in Maryport in about the 1860's. I discovered yesterday in the cemeterty at Maryport that his mother was Hannah Tolson. He married Agness Benn and had 13 children. His eldest son George was the marine superintendant for the Hine shipping line, other children involved in shipping were robert Brown, Thomas Brown, wilson Brown, James and John Brown. I would really appreciate it please if you have the time to see if there is anything in your books about the Browns and Benns. Thank you for your help.
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there is nearly three pages about Captain George Brown of Maryport he was Captain of the Robert Hine which was built in Sunderland in 1868 I would advise that you try to buy the book ,it has a copy of his log and a picture of the ship
Solway Winds by John D Wells printed by Titus Willson and sons of Kendal
I think it cost me £15 in 2004
I have no connection outher than reading anything and every thing about Maryport
audrey
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thank you so much for that information, I will try and buy the book, I hope to go the the record office in Carlisle this week maybe they will have a copy there. I ahvae a growing fascination with Maryport as so many seafaring Browns came from there. A trip to the cemetery last week answered many questions but posed new ones. revealing a complicated relationship between the Browns and the Burches in the town. thanks again for your help regards Lynne
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Hi Audrey,could you look for any Moores,Duffy's (e) or McCracken's in your book
thanks Nina
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Nina
no reference to any of your family
audrey
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Thank you audrey for looking
nina
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Nina
Came across this
R.M.McCracken Ales & Bears[ Irish immigrants]
1 Collins terrace Grasslot 1913 known as Jerry's Jug & Bottle last occupier Irene Neri closed news years Eve 1976 and demolished
Audrey
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Thanks Audrey thats great
Nina
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Dear KMS. Have you seen my entry about Capt. Bragg of Whitehaven being master and shareholder of snow "Cordelia" a Barmouth vessel in 1826? Humphpaul
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Hi Audrey,
Any Ostles, please?
Best wishes,
Jackie
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hello is there anything on the 'cooper' family, they went to maryport from living in the forest of dean gloustershire, any info would be great
thankyou
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Hi Audrey,
I'm actually looking for 3 families in Maryport - MAUGHAN, JOHNSTON, & BIGRIGG.
Any info would be gratefully received, thanks,
Helen
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Hi all - I have a great great grandfather from Maryport - John Sharp (1817) who married Mary F Russell and is named in the 1851 and 1861 census, but I can't find anything else out about him. Any offers Maryporters?
Thanks in advance
John Sharp
Neston
Cheshire
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Ho John and welcome :)
Hi all - I have a great great grandfather from Maryport - John Sharp (1817) who married Mary F Russell and is named in the 1851 and 1861 census, but I can't find anything else out about him.
Not this one? http://tinyurl.com/yfsntaj
With an eldest son called George, it seems to be a fair bet :)
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That sounds very likely! Thanks - I'll keep digging - do you have a SHarp connection?
Ta
John
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living at 28 Crosby street Maryport captian Thomas Sharp master Mariner and his wife Ann age 68 years a native of Ireland .Captain Sharp is on of 59 Master Mariners listed in Maryport as under sail in 1883
above info from one of my books on Maryport
audrey
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Thanks Audrey - I can't find a link into that one ... yet!
Any offers on the maiden name of Fanny B (1857) that married George Sharp (1852)
Thanks!
John Sharp
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How about Jones? George Sharp + Fanny = Q4 1877 in Cockermouth registration district that covers Maryport. Courtesy of freebmd.org.uk
bob
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Hi
Are there any photographs of Langcakes Yard / Kirkby Street or Church street in the book ? My partner has Clark(e) ancestors living there
Sue
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are there any 'cooper's in the book
thanks
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How about Jones? George Sharp + Fanny = Q4 1877 in Cockermouth registration district that covers Maryport. Courtesy of freebmd.org.uk
bob
That looks just about right - thanks very much!
John
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from that you can send for the actual certificate and gain lots more information.
bob
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That is great thanks! I'm enjoying this and I 've got back to the late 1700s with most of my lines now - it gets harder from here!
There are some indexes of shipping illustrations for Maryport and area - do you know if there are local records - shipping registration, masters' information etc - I guess the local archives might have things like that?
Thanks
John
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Hi
I am looking for information on William Scott, Mariner, Hugh Nicholson, Mariner, all of Maryport. My gggfather Patrick Coan, married Sarah Scott, Williams daughter.
I live in Canada and am not sure how I can find info on my ggggfathers.
Any information would be wonderful.
Thank you
Barb
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Hello Barb! Fancy finding you here :) I was Googling for Hugh NICHOLSON and found this post.
Something I found a while ago From the 1828 registrations at the port of Whitehaven:-
BARDSEA of Maryport, 53 ton galliot, master Hugh Nicholson, owner Edward Tyson, built Ulverston 1798.
and http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/marhist/furness/others/bardsea.htm
Hugh NICHOLSON died at Wood Street, Maryport and was buried 29 Jan 1846 aged 60. HIs wife Ann Jane was buried 6 July 1860.
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Sorry to also jump onto the bandwagon but is there any mention in the book of a John Kendall or just Kendalls in Maryport ? John was born there about 1795 and became a joiner.
Thanks
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Hi Audrey - happy to see your thread is still running. Do you have any Winstanley in your book please?
Many thanks Ceeoh
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John Kendall
1857 was a year to remember in Maryport history .Charles Dickens visited also the opening by John Kendall of the central Hall,built by J.Kendall & sons a family business for over a 100 years,the origanal premises at 105 Crosby Street in 1891 Joseph Kendall was head of the firm and described in the census of that years as auctioneer and pastry cook also mentions a Frank Kendall in 1920
Audrey
there is a photo of John Kendall
reference to Kendalls covers 2 pages in the book
Street Life in Maryport by Herbert Jackson
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Tazpants, if you go to historicaldirectories.org, you should be able to trace them through the years - including being proprieter of the central hall in crosby st.
bob
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Thanks very much Audrey and bob.
:)
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Long time since we last passed on the boards, audrey...trust you are well.
Does the book have anything on the surname Neville at all?
Joseph Neville accidently fell from rope attached to bowsprit of ship 'Eliza' in Maryport harbour in 1857 and drowned. The boat is listed on the mightyseas link that geoff has posted, but there is no further info on it.
Although originally from Ireland, most of his family remained on in Maryport.
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Hi i would be really greatful if you could tell me is there anything about the SHAW (S) and Ritson families
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Wondering if you have any info on the John Thomas Shaw Family in Maryport. John Thomas was a Manager at the Trustee Gasworks in 1871 and lived there until after the 1881 census. His wife was Mary (Huntington) and they had the following children:
John, 17, Plumber & Gas Fitter
Edward, 14, Iron Moulder
Robert, 11, Scholar
Joseph Hewitt, 9, Scholar
Frederick, 7, Scholar
William Briggs, 5, Scholar
Mary Isabella, 1
Barb
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i do have some limited information on them is there anything inperticular ?? I have covered the whole shaw family and have details on most of them
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I would be interested in what you have to share. I live in Canada and know next to nothing about Maryport or the Gasworks except what I have found on the internet. The only thing I know is that my great great grandparents lived in Carlisle until 1870 and then must have moved to Maryport as the four youngest children were born in Maryport. There is another son Thomas (b. 1862) who in the 1871 census was at his grandmother's house in Carlisle and was not at home at the 1881 census. I have tried to search for him but there are too many Thomas Shaws. I have not been able to conclusively pin down who John Thomas's father was in the Bolton Le Moor area, so I don't know if he had siblings that may have also moved from Lancashire to Cumberland.
As I don't know what kind of info I should be asking for I therefore don't have anything in particular to ask. Any information I can learn about these relatives would be appreciated.
Barb
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Hi, I used to live in Maryport - albeit briefly - the house I lived in always intrigued me, it was rumoured that a surgeon or doctor lived there and operated from the cellars.... this theory was backed up by a number of old balms and medicines / pills found in jars in the cellars back in the 70's.
Is there any way anyone can find out who lived in the house?
It is Georgian and stands at no 11 High street - so has been standing for well over 200 years now, is a little disheveled as I just stalked the house on google maps, and is now possibly empty
The owner did have a groundsman working there full time, as denoted by the cottage set aside for them in the grounds, also had a number of servants working there, as there were 6 rooms on the attic floor and one master chamber for the head servant on the 2nd floor, asecret staircase to the kitchen with access to the main residence and bedrooms, external wash house and a very large coach house that easily fit 6 modern day cars.... so whoever built the house was very much a high flyer of his day to live this close to the original norman settlement and yet so close to the port and town centre.
Can anybody find out from any old census who possibly lived there and their occupation?
I am also in the process of revitalising the memory of Netherhall mansion.... dismayed to know it is no more, and even more dismayed to find no evidence or websites on the Senhouse manor which they inhabited - until the death of the last remaining son in 1952, for almost 400 years
Nobody seems to remember it, it is in danger of being completely forgotten and most people don't actually seem to care either way.... so I am now gathering information in order to put up a website about the old place - keep its memory alive and also the name of the Senhouse's (desevenhouse) too.
If anybody has anything about this property - images, items purchased / acquired before its final demise, i would love to work with you and include these into my finished memorial to the manor and family name that Maryport was built on.
have all the names of the Senhouses (all 10 generations of them) that lived in the house from the late 1500's, but if anyone has information on the previous lords / owners, please feel free to share :)
thanks in advance
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If you go to historicaldirectories.org, cumberland, then stick maryport in any of the 12 directories that appear, then a list of inhabitants and professions eventually turns up. In 1829, there are a couple of "surgeons" practicing in High Street, 3 in 1847, but no house numbers. By 1883, house numbers do appear but not on every house but I couldn't spot number 11. There do seem a lot of master mariners living in low numbers High St but no surgeons. It might be that I missed and someone with a better eye or search engine can spot number 11 for you or you may care to while away an hour or two . Good luck. bob
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I have a lot of info on Netherhall I believe it was originally owed by the Eaglesfield family.Elizabeth eaglesfield married John Senhouse abt 1528
audrey
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Thanks Bob, will have a good scout at this.
Audrey, I followed their line through ancestry.com and the Eaglesfield family appear to come from Eaglesfield Manor in the village they named after themselves - Eaglesfield.
Elizabeth is cited as being born in the manor in Eaglesfield and was later stated as deceased in Netherhall but no dates are available to confirm this.
It appears that she was amongst the first line of Senhouse / Eaglesfield line to purchase the hall back in the mid 1500's.... I know they were married around 1528 and their son John, who carried on as head of the house, dies in 1604/05 - succeeded by his son Peter and the line is steady until 1952 when the last of the successors dies without producing a heir, after which I believe one of his remaining sisters (Dorothy Elizabeth) steps in as custodian for 10 years until her death - then the house is locked up and the inevitable happened....
What was / is your connection with the hall?
Do you have any images of the place or of the Senhouse family that you would be willing to allow being published on a website?
I've still been trawling the internet and the lack of information that is out there is appalling, have managed to find some images of Humphrey II and his wife Mary Fleming, their son and heir - Humphrey III (as a child) and also of their other son - Barbados plantation owner William (1741 - 1800) - will still keep trawling as there are bits of information out there but it isn't easy to locate - I may be able to glean the smallest bit of info out of one site in 200 that i visit. Quite crazy that such a high profile family should be so low key interest.
If you would prefer to carry on a conversation off this forum, let me know, I will send you my email address.
Regards
steve
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Steve
My dad was born in Maryport in 1905 he was one of six children .His only sister Hannah was in service at what was known as the Big house from 1914-1938 The Senhouse family were very good to my family and made sure through the war they had food to eat as my Grandfather Robert and Hannah were the Only ones that had a job There have been many books written about
Netherhall some of the picture in one of the books were actually given to the author by Hannah I remember going to the house as a small child many times I also ember may cards and letters written by the Senhouse family over the years in a big black trunk in the attic in Crosby Street when Hannah died the trunk was not there so she must of got rid of the stuff sadly
Audrey
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Dear Audrey, thanks for writing back to me, bizarre to think that only 24 years later the house would be empty and on its way to being destroyed.
Can you remember any of the names of the books that you referred to? I have searched on Amazon and Google and can only come up with antiquarian books dating the deaths of the Senhouses and tourism guides, apart from this, very little else is resulting from my evenings search.
If you would like your family mentioned in the website, please let me know, I am considering mentioning and listing the staff from previous censes' as a testament to their hard work in keeping such a house.
Your recollections sound wonderful, I would love to hear more from you bout what you remember about the house - its layout, and how it looked in its heyday - if you have the time to write to me.
Regards
Steve
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Steve
if you look through the first few messages at the Begin you will see a list of some of my books and by the way hear is some info on 11 High street Dr J.W.Creerar .
Audrey
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2084592/pdf/brmedj03377-0074.pdf
follow the link for info on DR.J.W.Crerar
audrey
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Thanks again Audrey, Indeed the Crerar's were the medical family who lived in the house. I don't know where they put all those children though!!! there were only 3 master bedrooms in the house and one small dressing room that was locked between 2 of them.
It is possible that the children may have all been put into the attic rooms - there were 6 separate rooms up there which I originally believed to be the servants quarters.....but now, upon finding this out, I could possibly have been wrong in this assumption.
Thank you for all your help so far.
Regards
steve
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When I think back to Crosby street Steve it was a very small house
small front par la small back par la ,no water ,a large black lead great where the cooking was done .upstairs was a very small single bed room a slightly larger one at the front up another flight of stairs was the Attic and living in there were my grandparents six sons and one daughter and that house never changed much over the years and my memories go back to 1943 until 1965.down the yard was the toilet and wash house which was shared by two outher families they were indeed very hard times
Audrey
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Hi Audrey, outside khazi's were all the rage once :)
I used to live on a farm in the middle of nowhere and had a green shack in the field, with a bucket and cut out hole on a wooden plank that covered it! used to get emptied by the council once every 2 weeks
Bleedin freezin in winter - and the flies in summer!!!!
Our house in Maryport still had the old coal range in the kitchen, the hub of all activity.
Herbert and mary, I think they were the towns newsagents, he also had a secondhand book store next to the newsagents, they used to live next door to us at no 9 High street, doubtful if either of them are still alive as they were pretty old when i lived there. He wanted to be either the local mayor or council rep always walked his dog on the streets and when it answered the call of nature, he would pull out a pack of tissues and wipe its bum for it :)
Quite an eccentric man, but heart of gold and part of the much needed breed of historians that Maryport really could have prospered from, had there been more around who shared his passion I think the hall would still be standing now and would have gone through a state of rejuvenation..
I have the history of Maryport ad78 - 1900, think that was his first book, are the others back in print? could possibly benefit from getting hold of some, tried Amazon but nothing available...... they were printed and self published and sold locally, so can't imagine too many people having them.
Cheers
Steve
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Hi Audrey
Just read your post about the Maryport books. My Great Grandparents lived in Maryport. One was John Brinicombe who came from Devon to work in the Ironworks in the mid 1800s. His daughter Henrietta married Isaac Todd who i believe had a grocers shop in Grasslot. I think at one point the two families lived in the same street.
If you have time I would really appreciate it if you could search your books for any reference to these two families
Regards
Liz
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Yes Liz
John Brinicombe arrived in Marport in 1878 he lived in Mandle street and I have a photo of John
Audrey
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Hi Audrey
Wow I wasn't expecting a photo. Is there any chance you could scan it for me? It would be wonderful to have a photo of my great great grandfather!
Regards
Liz
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liz
this is the best I can get it
audrey
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Liz
I have had no luck putting up hear so after you do a couple more posts I will send you my e mail address by PM
Audrey
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LIz
I have sent the scan it looked good .
audrey
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Hello! I'm new to this... but here goes!
I realise this original post was a while ago, but am hoping you still have the books!
Could you help me, please by having a quick look for photos (1890 - 1940) of Ellen Bank near Maryport, home to the shipbuilding Ritsons, as my family were in service there.
Also, of a confectionery shop at 83 Wood Street, Maryport (c1925 - 1935) and Jones the printers/stationers of Cosby Street, 1930s.
Or do you have any ideas where I might find these things - have tried the local libraries on a recent visit to the area, but no joy.
Thank you & fingers crossed! :)
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Hi
yes I can .I have made a note of what you want and will go through my books athough a few names might help
Audrey
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Thank you, Audrey.
I'm interested in;
- Annie & Jane Wilkinson, confectioners of 83 Wood Street
- Norman Jones, printers /stationers of Cosby Street
- Also William Donaldson, dairyman of High Street
- and staff at the national School - Mary and Maggie Wilkinson (Mary - 1901 - 08 & 12 - 22 ish; Maggie - 1906 ish to 1910 ish)
- and whilst I'm here... also interested in domestic staff (gardeners) at Springfields, Bigrigg, 1912 - 14)
Any help, gratefully received!
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Angel 9262, Try contacting Carlisle library, I'm sure I've seen picture postcards of Netherhall mansion in their private collections in the reference section.
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I have a lot of info on both your families If we are on about the same Edward Jones I believe he played a clarinet along with my dads brothers .he was also a council er in Maryport will dig it all out for you.
Audrey
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Thank you, Audrey - quite excited as to what you might find!
(It sounds as if you have helped quite a few people already - that's very kind of you.)
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Hello again Audrey:
I wrote to you on the 29 of July 10 and received a reply. I was wondering if there was any information you found that you could share about the John Shaw (wife Mary) family. Any photos or info about the gasworks where he was a manager?
BFW
Canada
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HI BFW
sorry I did not get back to you .I loaned a couple of books out last year and they have not been returned,the ones I have to hand don't refer to any Shaw
Audrey
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Hi Audrey
I have just joined Roots.chat and come across your information on Maryport.
Do any of your books mention a William Cuthell one of the founders of the Maryport Coop, or indeed any Cuthell.
I have them on census returns but thats all.
I am also looking for a William Irving born about 1801, married to an Ann
with children Joseph, Ann, Robert born in 1830's. Joseph is my great grandfather. His family I have found but I have not yet
found a certifiabkle link with William and Ann.
If you have time to look I would be very grateful. It is a pity the books are out of print there is an opportunity there.
Kind regards Frances
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Hi there
A longshot as I can see this post goes back a while. I came across this thread by chance after I googled Maryport. My Great Grandfather and Great Great Grand parents lived at 127 Senhouse St at time of 1881 census. William Hanson Graham was an ironfounder originally from Carlisle. He was married to Elizabeth,their son, My great grandfather William Hanson Graham was about 6 at the time of the census. By 1891 they had moved to London so not sure how long they lived in Maryport. In 1871 they were at bochergate. Just wondered if any pictures or mention of them or where they lived in your books.
kindest regards
Clare
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If the numbering hasn't changed, it's a big house http://tinyurl.com/3dchek4
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Thanks for that. I had looked on streetview, was wondering whether that was the same house that would have been there at the time my relatives lived there. If it is, its the only house still standing belonging to my relatives that i've found so far , most of my ancestors houses between 1861 and 1911 were demolished so it would be lovely to be able to see one thats still there ! many thanks for taking the time to reply :)
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Facebook page has now been set up for the Netherhall mansion estate and the senhouse family, find it here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Netherhall-Mansion-and-the-Senhouses-of-Maryport-Cumbria/237582756316023
Its getting pretty heated on there, with calls for volunteers to help clear the existing follies in the grounds of overgrowth and weeds, and for tradesmen to offer services to help protect the buildings! and an amnesty call for plundered items still in the area to be returned to their rightful owners......
and its featuring images that have never been seen before, plus a lot of informative news on the past lives of people who lived there..... Hit the link, join the group and become a part of something that isn't just about talk, but about action!!! this place is buzzing right now!!!
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and if anybody on this forum has any stories, images, or general info about the mansion or the Senhouse, De Eglesfield or De Sheftling families who have lived there, please feel free to share with the community.
Personal stories of life in the hall by ex servants or visitors - there must still be some survivors around??? are really wanted, as these will feature on the main website that will follow this pages launch later in 2012.
If you have something, anything!!, no matter how insignificant you may think it is, it may be important to the site, so please, please, post it to the site or contact the admins on there for info on how to submit personal recounts.
Thanks
Steve
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Hi, I used to live in Maryport - albeit briefly - the house I lived in always intrigued me, it was rumoured that a surgeon or doctor lived there and operated from the cellars.... this theory was backed up by a number of old balms and medicines / pills found in jars in the cellars back in the 70's.
Is there any way anyone can find out who lived in the house?
It is Georgian and stands at no 11 High street - so has been standing for well over 200 years now, is a little disheveled as I just stalked the house on google maps, and is now possibly empty
The owner did have a groundsman working there full time, as denoted by the cottage set aside for them in the grounds, also had a number of servants working there, as there were 6 rooms on the attic floor and one master chamber for the head servant on the 2nd floor, asecret staircase to the kitchen with access to the main residence and bedrooms, external wash house and a very large coach house that easily fit 6 modern day cars.... so whoever built the house was very much a high flyer of his day to live this close to the original norman settlement and yet so close to the port and town centre.
Can anybody find out from any old census who possibly lived there and their occupation?
I am also in the process of revitalising the memory of Netherhall mansion.... dismayed to know it is no more, and even more dismayed to find no evidence or websites on the Senhouse manor which they inhabited - until the death of the last remaining son in 1952, for almost 400 years
Nobody seems to remember it, it is in danger of being completely forgotten and most people don't actually seem to care either way.... so I am now gathering information in order to put up a website about the old place - keep its memory alive and also the name of the Senhouse's (desevenhouse) too.
If anybody has anything about this property - images, items purchased / acquired before its final demise, i would love to work with you and include these into my finished memorial to the manor and family name that Maryport was built on.
have all the names of the Senhouses (all 10 generations of them) that lived in the house from the late 1500's, but if anyone has information on the previous lords / owners, please feel free to share :)
thanks in advance
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Hi, I used to live in Maryport - albeit briefly - the house I lived in always intrigued me, it was rumoured that a surgeon or doctor lived there and operated from the cellars.... this theory was backed up by a number of old balms and medicines / pills found in jars in the cellars back in the 70's.
Is there any way anyone can find out who lived in the house?
It is Georgian and stands at no 11 High street - so has been standing for well over 200 years now, is a little disheveled as I just stalked the house on google maps, and is now possibly empty
The owner did have a groundsman working there full time, as denoted by the cottage set aside for them in the grounds, also had a number of servants working there, as there were 6 rooms on the attic floor and one master chamber for the head servant on the 2nd floor, asecret staircase to the kitchen with access to the main residence and bedrooms, external wash house and a very large coach house that easily fit 6 modern day cars.... so whoever built the house was very much a high flyer of his day to live this close to the original norman settlement and yet so close to the port and town centre.
Can anybody find out from any old census who possibly lived there and their occupation?
I am also in the process of revitalising the memory of Netherhall mansion.... dismayed to know it is no more, and even more dismayed to find no evidence or websites on the Senhouse manor which they inhabited - until the death of the last remaining son in 1952, for almost 400 years
Nobody seems to remember it, it is in danger of being completely forgotten and most people don't actually seem to care either way.... so I am now gathering information in order to put up a website about the old place - keep its memory alive and also the name of the Senhouse's (desevenhouse) too.
If anybody has anything about this property - images, items purchased / acquired before its final demise, i would love to work with you and include these into my finished memorial to the manor and family name that Maryport was built on.
have all the names of the Senhouses (all 10 generations of them) that lived in the house from the late 1500's, but if anyone has information on the previous lords / owners, please feel free to share :)
thanks in advance
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Hi, I used to live in Maryport - albeit briefly - the house I lived in always intrigued me, it was rumoured that a surgeon or doctor lived there and operated from the cellars.... this theory was backed up by a number of old balms and medicines / pills found in jars in the cellars back in the 70's.
Is there any way anyone can find out who lived in the house?
It is Georgian and stands at no 11 High street - so has been standing for well over 200 years now, is a little disheveled as I just stalked the house on google maps, and is now possibly empty
The owner did have a groundsman working there full time, as denoted by the cottage set aside for them in the grounds, also had a number of servants working there, as there were 6 rooms on the attic floor and one master chamber for the head servant on the 2nd floor, asecret staircase to the kitchen with access to the main residence and bedrooms, external wash house and a very large coach house that easily fit 6 modern day cars.... so whoever built the house was very much a high flyer of his day to live this close to the original norman settlement and yet so close to the port and town centre.
Can anybody find out from any old census who possibly lived there and their occupation?
I am also in the process of revitalising the memory of Netherhall mansion.... dismayed to know it is no more, and even more dismayed to find no evidence or websites on the Senhouse manor which they inhabited - until the death of the last remaining son in 1952, for almost 400 years
Nobody seems to remember it, it is in danger of being completely forgotten and most people don't actually seem to care either way.... so I am now gathering information in order to put up a website about the old place - keep its memory alive and also the name of the Senhouse's (desevenhouse) too.
If anybody has anything about this property - images, items purchased / acquired before its final demise, i would love to work with you and include these into my finished memorial to the manor and family name that Maryport was built on.
have all the names of the Senhouses (all 10 generations of them) that lived in the house from the late 1500's, but if anyone has information on the previous lords / owners, please feel free to share :)
thanks in advance
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If the numbering hasn't changed, it's a big house http://tinyurl.com/3dchek4
I remember this house from when I was about 14 or 15 years of age. It would be about 1950. His name was Dr. Crerar - not very tall with white hair. He saw me in the front sitting room and I was told he had a car and chauffeur. At that time it cost 2s6d. for a visit to a doctor.
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He did have a car, he owned the very first one in Maryport a 1902 3 and a half horse power Swift - it reached the break neck speed of 20mph :) and his Chauffeur lived in the rear house at the back of king street for almost all his life - 55 years working as his driver.. his name was Claude Mann.
If you get hold of a copy of Keith Thompsons book entitled Maryport - Amazon as a copy or two, there is a wonderful image of him driving the car with his chauffeur sitting aside him .
I hope the 2 shillings and sixpence were well spent and your ailments cured :)
He was also the doctor for the Senhouse family and a historian as well. I have found out a lot about him in the past few months that I have had time to set aside to research the families of the area.
I have set up a facebook page that is dedicated to the lost treasures and memories of Maryport.... go take a look, its getting very interesting with almost 500 members joined in 2 weeks.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Netherhall-Mansion-and-the-Senhouses-of-Maryport-Cumbria/237582756316023
We'd love to see you there :)
Steve
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Were there any Hewitsons mentioned in your Maryport Book? They were mariners and sailmakers
Regards shelleycat
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i used to live at 93 high street it used to be the light keepers house apparantly
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I lived at 106 high street.My maiden name was slater.Did you live opposite to us. I am thinking of frankie donochey[I think that is how it's spelt]I had a younger brother David.
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my mam used to work in threshers glenys franks my memory is terrible what year did you live there
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Bet I'm loads older than you, Glenys. I lived there from 1942 until I got married in 1956. Then we moved to Workington where we are still living. Was your house up a little passage just about four doors up from the corner of wood street?Must admit I enjoyed my childhood and going on the 'Brows' and down on the promenade and the beach was great.
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ahh ok you might of known my grandad and nana denis hood and peggy hood
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Hi Glenys, No. I didn't know your grandparents but it was nice to chat with you anyway. Best wishes from Sylvia
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Hi Audrey
Are you swamped with requests?
Many of my Bouch family were from Maryport
Anne born there 10 Jan 1768
The John chr there 21 Oct 1770 who married Henrietta McGee and
had these children there
John 1811 died 1812
John chr 20 Jun 1813
Joseph chr 10 Jan 1810
Mary chr 15 Mar 1808
Richard chr there 3 Jan 1773 Master Mariner
Commander of ships on the UK to Australia run
armed barque Eliza from 1832
The Freak 1834
Part owner of The Crosby and The Grace, inherited from his uncle Thomas Bouch of Allonby who died 1815
Richard was son of Thomas Bouch and Jane
Another Thomas chr there 28 Mar 1858 son of
John Bouch and Mary Tinning (who married in Arthuret)
Some of the Sproule family (intermarried with Bouch and set up a wealthy trading import/export business with them) were born in Maryport.
Very exciting if you could add to any of the above!
Many thanks
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yeh that was before my time and my house was next to the printers on the corner of high street and wood street thanks for your reply anyways. ps i had a lot of fun on the brow and moat hill also when i was a kid realy miss the place now
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all the best and thanks for taking the time to reply
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Hi,
Hope you are still doing look ups. I am looking for the Nithsdale family, He died in Maryport in 1846.
Lynn
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Hi Audrey and Liz,
I've joined this thread at a very late stage! My great, great grandfather was John Brinicombe of Mandle St. I'd love to see a copy of the photo mentioned earlier if possible. Liz I'd be happy to share with you what I have on the Brinicombes.
Thanks
Peter
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hi if your interested in books like these then i can recomend michael moons shop on lowther street
in whitehaven, his collection is brilliant with photo,s names places
rob
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Thanks Rob. Next time I'm in Cumbria I'll pop in.
Peter
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There is a website http://www.moonsbookshop.co.uk/about.html
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Hi Audrey
I'm new to this and couldn't believe it! You were answering a question about John Brinicombe born 1839 in Highweek Devon who came to live in Maryport. He is my wife's great grandfather. Is the photo next to your comment the photo of John? If not can I obtain one from you. if it is the photo then presumably it shows his wife Mary Ann and which children?
Please reply
Tbowman108
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Welcome to RootsChat Trevor :)
I think that your reply here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=691376.msg5352555#msg5352555
was meant for one of the members here but I have no idea which one ??? ???
You should now be able to reply to private messages :)
Regards
Sarah :)
P.S. Can throughly recommend Moonbookshop, was there only a few weeks ago ;D Hi Robert!!
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HI Audrey. Do your books mention the Brooker family? My husband's X4 great Grandfather was James Brooker, a noted ship carver who exhibited at the Great Exhibition. He eventually fell on hard times and moved to Sunderland where he ended up in the Sunderland Workhouse. He married Jane Hudson and my hubby is descended from their daughter, Martha Brooker (born 1841, Maryport). She married a German photographer, Paul Stabler, in Sunderland. Thanks for your help
I'm sure he is in another Maryport book. Was he the same man who carved a lion for above his house on Eaglesfield Street in Maryport? Relatives of mine lived in that house and I always remember that lion.
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Hi audrey - I have just found your post about your kind offer to look up Maryport families in your books about the town. I am researching the brown family of Maryport. Caaptain George Brown was the Harbour Master in Maryport in about the 1860's. I discovered yesterday in the cemeterty at Maryport that his mother was Hannah Tolson. He married Agness Benn and had 13 children. His eldest son George was the marine superintendant for the Hine shipping line, other children involved in shipping were robert Brown, Thomas Brown, wilson Brown, James and John Brown. I would really appreciate it please if you have the time to see if there is anything in your books about the Browns and Benns. Thank you for your help.
I'm related to the Maryport Benn's.
Thomas Benn was my great great grandfather, he won a medal for saving lives.
He was the coxswain of Maryport lifeboat.
Edward Benn Smith V.C. is also my relation via the Benn's.
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Hi Audrey and Liz,
I've joined this thread at a very late stage! My great, great grandfather was John Brinicombe of Mandle St. I'd love to see a copy of the photo mentioned earlier if possible. Liz I'd be happy to share with you what I have on the Brinicombes.
Thanks
Peter
My headmistress at infant school was a Miss Brinicombe.
She also took me for Sunday School.
Nice lady.
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This is a very interesting thread. I am trying to research my 4th great grandfather, Reverend William Bookless. He died in 1885 and lived in Fleming Square. He seems to have been influential but I can not find much about him. Does anyone have any books that reference William, especially with a photograph.
Many Thanks,
Alan
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This is a very interesting thread. I am trying to research my 4th great grandfather, Reverend William Bookless. He died in 1885 and lived in Fleming Square. He seems to have been influential but I can not find much about him. Does anyone have any books that reference William, especially with a photograph.
Many Thanks,
Alan
Which church in Maryport was he part of?
I used to live in Fleming Square.
What number did he live at?
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He was a Presbyterian minister who retired in 1850 when his wife inherited a large sum of money. At that point they moved into number 23 Fleming Square having previously lived in Eaglesfield Street.
Alan
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He was a Presbyterian minister who retired in 1850 when his wife inherited a large sum of money. At that point they moved into number 23 Fleming Square having previously lived in Eaglesfield Street.
Alan
We lived at 28 Fleming Square and I had relatives who lived on Eaglesfield street.
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Hi i'm looking for Young's in Cockermouth, Maryport areas of cumbria
i have a few names if they are of any use
John born abt 1692
Charles born abt 1719 died 1784
John born 1740 he married an Elizabeth Barnes
any help on this family is welcome. I'd love the books but i can't seem to find them on selling sites
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Hi there
John Young baptised 6th August 1747. Married Elizabeth Barnes 23rd July 1769.
His father was Charles young baptised 1st April 1719 at Bridekirk.
His father was John Young who was baptised 23rd March 1692 at Bridekirk.
His father was James Young.
Nothing coming up as yet about marriages. Will keep looking.
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Thank you so much this has been a fantastic help. I am so greatful to you all.
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John Young baptised 6th August 1747. Married Elizabeth Barnes 23rd July 1769.
His father was Charles young baptised 1st April 1719 at Bridekirk. "son of John YOUNG, traveller"
His father was John Young who was baptised 23rd March 1692 at Bridekirk. "son of James YOUNG, Dov(enby)"
His father was James Young.
Somewhere, several years ago, I downloaded a pdf file which is a transcript of the Bridekirk registers. My additions given above are from that source.
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THank you for this information as i say i'm limited on what i know i have now confirmed
"John Young baptised 6th August 1747. Married Elizabeth Barnes 23rd July 1769."
I'm very interested in find out who John's mother was and his grandparents and if he had anymore siblings too.
"His father was Charles young baptised 1st April 1719 at Bridekirk. "son of John YOUNG, traveller"
His father was John Young who was baptised 23rd March 1692 at Bridekirk. "son of James YOUNG, Dov(enby)"
His father was James Young."
What do you think traveller and Dov (enby) mean? I'm learning more about my ancestors every day or every couple of hours on here more than i have found on ancestry
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Dovenby is a township in Bridekirk parish http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CUL/Bridekirk
Map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=310365&Y=533425&A=Y&Z=120
Re "traveller" - All other baptisms around that time give a place of abode, so I would assume J YOUNG wasn't resident in the parish. :-\
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Thank you, for confirming dovenby for me. Im now interested in any other member of those family
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Do you have any other information about the family. What about more recent members in the early 19C perhaps. Do you have the recent family history and it is only the early ones that you are struggling with?
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i have some screenshots i'll post and then comment on them
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here is another screen shot
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i have John Young 1740 and his family as it shows i only have his father and brother William - William i have nothing but 1745
I have Daniel Young 1777 - 1848 and his wife and some of their children: John Young 1820 i have him he's my great great grandad and his family i'm not sure of the other children
this is all i have with the families but not sure on the other people i shall list the names if it helps
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My g.great grandmother was Isabella Gemmell born in Maryport 1845, she died in Carlisle in 1874. Her father was Joseph Gemmell. Would like to know who his wife was and if Isabella have siblings, anything actually ? Are there any Gemmell families in Maryport or nearby today? Isabella married Thomas Christie in1870 in Carlisle.
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Hi there. This is not obvious. I can see the marriage and her death but nothing for a birth in Maryport other than the fact that the 1871 census has her being born in Maryport in 1845.There are a number of Isabella's born in Maryport at that time but no Gemmel. Could her mother have remarried when Isabella was a very young child?
Sorry that I can not be of any more help but the fact that no one else has replied would suggest that others are having difficulty with this one as well.
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On the off chance as this is such an old thread, any mention of Glover family 1850s era, shipwrights, lived on King Street
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In 1851 there is a Glover family living on Strand Street. James who is 55, Mary who is 53 and their 17 year old son, Wilton. The father works for K Wood & Sons, shipbuilders. The son is shown as a shipwright.
James and Mary are still there in 1861. James is shown as a shipwright. He is down as being born in Dearham, she at Camerton.
Strand Street runs parallel to King Street closer to the sea.
Are these your people
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Thanks for your reply mientajb,
Yes the census is the basis for my belief that Isabella was born in Maryport. On her marriage cert in 1870 it states her father is deceased.Have no info on mother .Bit of a brickwall moment.
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In 1851 there is a Glover family living on Strand Street. James who is 55, Mary who is 53 and their 17 year old son, Wilton. The father works for K Wood & Sons, shipbuilders. The son is shown as a shipwright.
James and Mary are still there in 1861. James is shown as a shipwright. He is down as being born in Dearham, she at Camerton.
Strand Street runs parallel to King Street closer to the sea.
Are these your people
Hi and thank you mientajb, yes they are mine. I have the family tracked in censuses pretty much and some vital records. I was wondering if they may have been mentioned in the books discussed at the beginning of this thread.
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Hi Audrey How kind of you to offer everyone help! I bet you are busy. Would you have come across the name captain Robert hinds, Elizabeth hinds or Joseph mitchinson? They owned the sun inn pub. Thanks
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Hello Mientajb. Just to help you eliminate one Isabella. I have an Isabell Paul who was from Liverpool but born Maryport as her mother Jane went to stay with her mother Margaret Baylis for the birth. Humphpaul
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Thanks Humphpaul, I will have a look at that. What year was that?
Bona.
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Sorry Bono, I should have said - 21/05/1843, Humphpaul
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Thanks for that Humphpaul.
Accurate birth year for Isabella 1840.There is a possible brother, Joseph Gemmell, who died at age 21 in 1859,birth c.1838. Don't know where yet.
Have found another child for Isabella Gemmel and Thomas Christie. Elizabeth Wannop Christie b.1874 in Carlisle.My g.grandfather John Joseph was their other child b. 1872.So it is very likely that Wannop was Isabella's maiden name.
Still looking for marriage record between Isabella's parents Joseph Gemmell and ? Wannop,and birth record for Isabella. With this extra info could someone help please.
Bona
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I'm dragging up this thread again. I'm curious to know whether any descendents of Dr john crerar still live in Maryport or perhaps some know where they might have moved to. My great grandfather was James crerar and i know agood bit about him now but i was curious about his siblings. I understand his brother Donald was killed in the war as was a nephew.
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I'm curious to know whether any descendents of Dr john crerar still live in Maryport or perhaps some know where they might have moved to.
Hi Mcrerar, welcome to RootsChat :)
The "open" version of the electoral register seems to show only 2 or 3 CRERARs in Grange-over-Sands, there being no others in Cumbria. :-\
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That's interesting. Maybe they are relatives, maybe not. Or perhaps like James they moved away. Just curious as it was quite a bit family.
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John William Crerar born 1868 Maryport aged 42 years, single - appears on a New York passenger List - Glasgow to New York -arriving 18 June 1910 - tourist - mother Mrs Crerar .... Hill Maryport - going to friend E A Euston Elen Street Worcester Massachusetts.
Sandra
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New York Passenger List shows Duncan Campbell Crerar born 18 december 1887 Maryport - arriving New York 11 October 1918 - on the Agapenor. last place of residence 11 High Street Maryport. Tatooed anchor on right forearm.
Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30 A - Duncan Campbell Crerar - born Maryport - aged 35 - single -
arrives New Brunswick April 1922 on the Tunisian - destines to Royal Alexander Hotel. Winnipeg. Manitoba. To make home.
UK Outbound Passenger List - Duncan Crerar - 11 High Street Maryport - engineer - departure 25 March 1922 - Ship Name Tunisian - Glasgow to St John, New Brunswick
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra must check Duncan out
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Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 - Duncan Crerar - aged 47 years - born Maryport England - single - Glasgow to Quebec - arriving 25 November 1934 - had been in Canada April 1922 - September 1934 - 317 Millwood Road Toronto Ontario. Returning to Federal Building Toronto Ontario.
Ship Letitia departed 16 November 1934.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1949 - 31 Tichester Road. York Ontario - D C Crerar (engineer) Agnes Crerar
Canada Voters List - 1953 - York Ontario - Duncan Crerar - Engineer - Agnes Crerar - 31 Apartment - 202 - York South Ontario.
Canada Voters List 1962/ 63/65 - 1 Highgate Street York Ontario - Duncan (retired) and Agnes Crerar.
Canada Voters List - 30 Belhome Avenue Brant Ontario - D C Crerar (retired) Agnes Crerar -
Sandra
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The probate for Alfred Crerar who died 4 January 1933 - at Ellengrove Maryport mentions John William Crerar Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons -
Sandra
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Presume you have the probate for Sir James Crerar K.C.S.I. C.I.A. passed away Williamstown House, Castlebellingham County Louth - 29 August 1960
1960 ???
Obituaries - The TIMES
The Times August 31 1960
SIR JAMES CRERAR
Sir James Crerar, K.C.S.I., C.I.E., who spent the first 20 years of his Indian Civil Service career in the Bombay Presidency and was later Secretary and then Member of the Viceroy's Executive Council in the Home Department, died on Monday. He was 82. He was born on December 11, 1877, the son of John Crerar, of Maryport, Cumberland, and educated at George Watson's College and Edinburgh University. He passed the Indian Civil Service examination of 1900 and spent his probationary year at Balliol College, Oxford, where he gained his M.A. On arrival in Bombay he was posted to Sind for early district experience and in 1906 became Assistant Collector and Manager, Encumbered Estates in that sub- province. Having quickly acquired the mastery of Sindhi he held for five years the post of translator to Government. At the end of 1911 Crerar was transferred to Rajkot as Assistant Political Agent in the Kathiawar State. In the middle of 1913 he was selected to be Municipal Commissioner of the Town and Island of Bombay and within a year was officiating as Secretary of the Judicial, Political and Special Department His courtly bearing and other qualities attracted the attention of the new Governor Lord Willingdon, and soon after the outbreak of war in 1914 he was selected to be the Governor's Private Secretary. Bombay was the real base of the many Indian contingents and it received the greater number of sick and wounded from Mesopotamia, British and Indian, and other Eastern theatres of the conflict. The services of the Willingdons in innumerable ways were of the utmost value to the Allied cause, and they had in Crerar an enthusiastic as well as a wise and patient right- hand man. At the end of 1922 Lord Reading had selected Crerar to officiate as Secretary of the Home Department at Delhi, and he was confirmed in the appointment in the following year. The post was onerous for at the time the Congress movement was nominated of Mr. Gandhi's cult of non-cooperation and civil disobedience. After a brief acting appointment, Crerar was chosen in 1927 to be Home Member of the Viceroy's Executive Council. Unlike his immediate predecessor, the late Sir Alexander Muddiman, who had gone to the United Provinces as Governor, Crerar was temperamentally grave and reserved, yet his handling of the Opposition in the Legislative and his sincerity in the promotion of the welfare of the sub- continent won him general confidence and esteem. For no less than 1Z anxious years, up to his retirement in 1934, he had been in the heavily overworked Home Department. He married, in 1916, Evelyn, third daughter of the Hon. Charles Brand. She died at the end of 1954. leaving a son and daughter.
December 24, 1954
Lady Crerar, wife of Sir James Crerar, K.C.S.I., C.I.E., died in London yesterday. She was Evelyn, daughter of the late Hon. Charles Brand, and her marriage took place in 1916.
Sandra
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Lieutenant Donald Campbell Crerar - Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery - died 24 April 1918 - killed in action -
Adelaide Cemetery - Villers-Bretonneux, Departement de la Somme, Picardie, France.
Burial Adelaide Cemetery Villers-Bretonneux Departement de la Somme Picardie, France
Plot: II. B. 10.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=FindAGraveGlobal&h=2918386&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&rhSource=1
543
Probate was granted to John William Crerar - F R C S Edinburgh.
KILLED IN ACTION
May 3, 1918
CRERAR - Killed in action, on the 24th April. Donald Campbell Crerar, R.F.A. attached R.E., fifth surviving son of the late John Crerar. A.L.R.C.P.E. Maryport, aged 34 years.
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=3789&p=localities.britisles.england.cul.cumbria
Sandra
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Sarah Margaret Crerar - probate to Sir james Crerar K C S I - passed away 8 April 1944 -
Sandra
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Christine Crerar - 11 October 1866 passed away Q4 1895 - aged 29 years - death registered Cockermouth 10b 394
Sandra
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UK, WWII Civilian Deaths, 1939-1945 - Jessie Crerar Izat - aged 60 years - Chelsea, London - spouse Alan Izat -
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=24620436&ref=acom
Alan Izat 1885 - 1917 -
Jessie Crerar married Lahore, Bengal, India 31 December 1913
Sandra
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Charles Crerar - passed away 27 November 1937 - aged 67 years - Carlisle - 10b 710
Sandra
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Peter Alexander Crerar - 1873 - 1890 - aged 17 years - Cockermouth - 10b 33
Sandra
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Kate Crerar married Daniel B Kennedy - they had a son John Kennedy born 1899
KENNEDY. Killed in action on the 21st April.
John Kennedy, Sec. Lieut. Durham Light Infantry. Dearly loved and on son of D. ?. and K. Kennedy 11 Curzon Street, Maryport and grandson of the late Dr John Crerar, aged 19 years.
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=3789&p=localities.britisles.england.cul.cumbria
Sandra
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Parents John Macdougall Crerar (b.1835 Lawers, Kenmore - d.1896) = Catherine
Campbell (bc 1843 Scotland) [IGI]
http://news.rootsweb.com/th/read/CRERAR/2003-11/1069387838
Sandra
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Presume you have the probate for Sir James Crerar K.C.S.I. C.I.A. passed away Williamstown House, Castlebellingham County Louth - 29 August 1960
1960 ???
Obituaries - The TIMES
The Times August 31 1960
SIR JAMES CRERAR
Sir James Crerar, K.C.S.I., C.I.E., who spent the first 20 years of his Indian Civil Service career in the Bombay Presidency and was later Secretary and then Member of the Viceroy's Executive Council in the Home Department, died on Monday. He was 82. He was born on December 11, 1877, the son of John Crerar, of Maryport, Cumberland, and educated at George Watson's College and Edinburgh University. He passed the Indian Civil Service examination of 1900 and spent his probationary year at Balliol College, Oxford, where he gained his M.A. On arrival in Bombay he was posted to Sind for early district experience and in 1906 became Assistant Collector and Manager, Encumbered Estates in that sub- province. Having quickly acquired the mastery of Sindhi he held for five years the post of translator to Government. At the end of 1911 Crerar was transferred to Rajkot as Assistant Political Agent in the Kathiawar State. In the middle of 1913 he was selected to be Municipal Commissioner of the Town and Island of Bombay and within a year was officiating as Secretary of the Judicial, Political and Special Department His courtly bearing and other qualities attracted the attention of the new Governor Lord Willingdon, and soon after the outbreak of war in 1914 he was selected to be the Governor's Private Secretary. Bombay was the real base of the many Indian contingents and it received the greater number of sick and wounded from Mesopotamia, British and Indian, and other Eastern theatres of the conflict. The services of the Willingdons in innumerable ways were of the utmost value to the Allied cause, and they had in Crerar an enthusiastic as well as a wise and patient right- hand man. At the end of 1922 Lord Reading had selected Crerar to officiate as Secretary of the Home Department at Delhi, and he was confirmed in the appointment in the following year. The post was onerous for at the time the Congress movement was nominated of Mr. Gandhi's cult of non-cooperation and civil disobedience. After a brief acting appointment, Crerar was chosen in 1927 to be Home Member of the Viceroy's Executive Council. Unlike his immediate predecessor, the late Sir Alexander Muddiman, who had gone to the United Provinces as Governor, Crerar was temperamentally grave and reserved, yet his handling of the Opposition in the Legislative and his sincerity in the promotion of the welfare of the sub- continent won him general confidence and esteem. For no less than 1Z anxious years, up to his retirement in 1934, he had been in the heavily overworked Home Department. He married, in 1916, Evelyn, third daughter of the Hon. Charles Brand. She died at the end of 1954. leaving a son and daughter.
December 24, 1954
Lady Crerar, wife of Sir James Crerar, K.C.S.I., C.I.E., died in London yesterday. She was Evelyn, daughter of the late Hon. Charles Brand, and her marriage took place in 1916.
Sandra
Thanks Sandra. That one is more detailed than ones i have read before. We have photos of James and Evelyn in India when their children were small.
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Sounds like you already have a fair bit of information.
Sandra
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Hi Audrey
If you still have your book, please could you look up James Marshall Wright , he was colliery manager there in 1885 and lived in 2 Marshall Place, Nelson Street, his son Alexander died in 1885 too and they had three other children. Not sure which colliery he was manager of though
Many thanks
Karen Wright
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Well it has been a while since I posted in this particular thread.
Was originally looking for info re Isabella Gemmell b.Maryport Cumberland circa 1845. May have been out on that date. Recently made a couple of discoveries.Had a good look at her marriage cert to Thomas Christie and thought I'd have a look for records for the female witness, Margaret Ann Muncaster. Found her and Isabella (14 yrs) on 1851 census with Isabella recorded as Isabella Gemmel Muncaster,the niece of Margaret ann's father, Edward Muncaster. Edwards parents are William Muncaster and Margaret Gowanlick. I'm having trouble pinpointing which of their daughters could be Isabella's mother. Any help appreciated very much.