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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Gwyneth on Friday 28 September 07 18:12 BST (UK)
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In 1838 Robert, a carpenter, and his wife Jane, Gortaloughan had their daughter, Rebecca baptized in the Magheracross Church of Ireland in Ballinamallard. In 1861 when Rebecca married John H. Thompson, Drumsonnus, County Tyrone in the same church, Robert's residence was given as Mullaghmeen, County Fermanagh. While I have later information about this Thompson marriage, I have no information about Robert and Jane Wilson. Is there anyone with access to Magheracross Parish records? Who are Rebecca's siblings, if any? Is anyone researching this Wilson family? Thank you for any help! :'(
Who was Robert Wilson's father? Was Jane an Irvine or Irwin? John and Rebecca Wilson Thompson named their firstborn son, Irwin William, but he sometime used Irvine William.
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There was a Robert Wilson, parish of Kilskeery, and a Jane Bleakly, parish of Magheracross, married at the Magheracross Parish Church on 05 April 1803.
This may be the couple you are looking for.
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Thank you so much Shaun Hobson. This is the confirmation I needed. I haven't visited Fermanagh since 2007. Since I am now 79, I doubt very much whether I will cross the Big Pond again. I thought that Robert and Jane were my great great grand parents, but I was not certain of Jane's maiden name or the year they were married! We are surviving 10 inches of fresh snow from Thursday in Pennsylvania, but hopefully the temps next week will take care of melting. It was minus one degree Fahrenheit this morning! Blessings on you and your family for a wonderful Easter season. I am most grateful for your interest in genealogy!
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Here is the website I found the information on http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/maghercross-mar.htm
There is a possibility these two people are my husband's 4th great-grandparents. His 3rd great-grandparent is Newburk Wilson born 25 April 1804 in County Tyrone, according to his gravestone. He emigrated to Ontario, Canada June 1830, married Sarah Armstrong 12 March 1835 and died there 17 March 1880. I have found a baptismal record for a Newburk Willson, son of Robert and Jane Willson and baptized 26 February 1804 in the Kilskeery Church of Ireland in County Tyrone and living in Townland Moorfield. The dates don't quite jive, but there may be a mistake on the gravestone for the date of birth. The 1826 Kilskerry Parish Tithe Applotment Book records a Robert Wilson located at Barony: Omagh; Townland: Moorfield, Manor: Sloy. At this point this is all speculative and I need more source information to confirm. Would you have any information about a Newburk (or Newburgh) in your family?
Shaun
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Shaun, I have very little information on the Wilsons, although my father was given the name Wilson at birth to Sarah and Peter Frank Atkins. Sarah was the second daughter of John Hetherington Thompson and Rebecca Wilson Thompson born in Philadelphia, PA. Rebecca was born in 1838 to Robert and Jane Bleakley Wilson. I have tried to find out why John and Rebecca settled in Philadelphia unsuccessfully. There were Armstrongs in the ancestry of John Thompson. I live in Lancaster, PA, the home of the international Armstrong Cork Co. Although I am 79 I am on a Fermanagh Facebook site and keep in touch with many genealogical friends this way. I have a contact person in Fermanagh, whom I met in 2007 when my daughter and I traveled to Northern Ireland. I had been there the previous year with my third cousin. It was only through serendipity that I found John and Rebecca's marriage through the marriage registry at Magheracross.
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Newburk Wilson is my GGG-grandfather. Regarding Newburk Wilson's parents Robert Wilson and Jane Bleakly back in County Tyrone, Jane would have been too old, I believe -- having married in 1803 -- to give birth to the daughter Rebecca born in 1838. Her last child was, I think, Jane Ann, born 1825, who emigrated to Canada at age four with her brother Newburk. I am curious to know whether Newburk had brothers who went to the United States. Newburk settled on the north side of the St. Lawrence River.
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Kerry-Lynne, I have no knowledge of the Wilson in Canada to whom you refer. I continue to believe my great grandmother, Rebecca Maria Wilson Thompson's parents were a Robert and Jane Bleakley Wilson and that Rebecca was born in 1838 in County Fermanagh. I have a photograph of a Robert Wilson gravesite in the Kilskeery Church of Ireland (Anglican), County Tyrone, but I do NOT believe it is the gravesite of my great great grandfather, Rebecca's father. There were too many Robert Wilsons from 1800 to 1838 with too little information for me to discern more than the little I know. Rebecca's father was a carpenter, according to her marriage record, which meant he probably worked for an estate. William Bleakley and John Hall witnessed the marriage of Rebecca to John Hetherington Thompson in 1861. Ceremony was performed by the Rector Henry Burke.
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Kerry-Lynne,
I have not been able to find any documents to support siblings for the Newburk (Newburgh) in my family tree. My Newark did settle on the north side of the St. Lawrence River in Shanly. Are you able to provide information regarding his sister Jane Ann? Which of Newburk's and Sarah's children are you descended from?
I acknowledge your questioning that Robert Newburk Wilson and Jane Bleakly would be the parents of Rebecca born in 1838, but not knowing the age Jane was when she married there is a chance they may be. I would love to track down more records pertaining to Robert and Jane and any records regarding other children, but it is difficult when I am currently not able to travel to Ireland and am forced to work remotely from Canada.
I am open to collaborating.
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Thanks to George Armstrong’s transcription, these invaluable parish records have been published online. I had set aside my genealogy project and therefore did not see your web entries until this week. The marriage of Robert Wilson and Jane Bleakly took place 5 April 1803, according to the Magheracross, County Fermanagh parish record. Jane Bleakly must have been born circa 1780 and probably did not have children past age 50, therefore, past 1830. It is my opinion that the last child of Jane Bleakly and Robert Wilson was little Jane, baptized in 1825, according to the parish record, in Moorfield. Siblings for Newburk listed in the parish record at Kilskeery include: Margaret, baptized in 1811; Mathew, baptized in 1813 (named for another Mathew, baptised 1807, who had died); Jane baptized in 1825. Family lore gave me this little sister of Newburk. She came to Canada with him in 1830, aged four. It is not known why. There is documentation in Ontario for her, at least after her marriage. She did not state her parents’ names for the marriage record, but other facts point to her relationship to Newburk.
Records for brother Mathew’s offspring are also in the parish records online.
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One more thing: Gwyneth, I believe your ancestors were indeed Robert Wilson and Jane Unknown -- BUT not Jane Bleakly. Your carpenter ancestor Robert, you say, resided in Mullaghmeen in County Fermanagh. My Robert, the one who married Jane Bleakly, resided in Moorfield, County Tyrone. Your couple would have been a little younger. I descend from my Robert's son Newburk Wilson and his eldest son Robert Newburk Wilson -- who was born in Cardinal, Ontario in 1838 (called Port Elgin at the time).
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Kerry-Lynne, the death record I have for Robert McGregor Wilson indicates he was born in Cardinal on 12 March 1836. Do you have a source document to contradict this?
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Shaun, My ancestor, firstborn of Newburk Wilson, is Robert Newburk Wilson -- no McGregor in his name. He was born at Cardinal on March 11, 1836 -- according to his gravestone inscription at Iroquois Point; I have not seen a death certificate. I do have a copy of a death notice for him. I visited his home when I was a little girl, when his daughter still lived there, before the flooding of the town of Iroquois for the new Seaway. This is my family and I know a lot about them. They were active members of the Knox Church in Iroquois. As for County Tyrone origins, the names Newburk Wilson and Jane Bleakly have been known to my family since the last century. Who do you descend from?
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Kerry-Lynne,
My husband descends from Newburk Wilson through his fourth child, James Armstrong. I have information on this line. Thank you for clarifying Robert's name, I can not find a reference to MacGregor in any of my source documents (I am not sure how I added that middle name). I do have some source records that have a middle initial 'N' (1891 and 1911 Canada census). The death record I found is on ancestry.com and indicates the birthdate as 12 March 1836 (the informant was his daughter, Annie).
I would love to collaborate. I will forewarn you that I am currently cleaning up my file to make sure the information I have for the individuals does match the source documents. This is going to take me awhile as I have over 7000 individuals, but I am plugging along and am more than willing to share the information I have confirmed.
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Shaun, Robert was baptized by J.H. Beck Lindsay (who had married his parents) in the Anglican Church. I looked at that years ago, and got the 11th as the birthdate; more research needed, I guess, on that. I have only two children for your James:
James Armstrong b 13 Dec 1845 Shanly, d 2 Feb 1918 Matilda, bur Shanly, m Louisa Lucinda Wallace 10 Sept 1874 Edwardsburgh, b 14 Mar 1852 Where? d 14 Mar 1937 Iroquois, bur Shanly, daughter of Jeremiah Wallace and Mary Ann Gamble.
Children of James Armstrong Wilson & Louisa Lucinda Wallace:
1.Sarah Ann b 9 Aug 1874 or 1876 Shanly (bap 26 Jan 1877), d 1950 Where? m Peter Perry Pomeroy Everett 2 Mar 1897 Shanly, b 8 Aug 1860 Iroquois, d 19 Jan 1931 Where?
Note: Children with Peter Perry Pomeroy: Margaret Louise; James Sparling; Gideon Earl; Alberta Rosannah.
2.James b 1882 Shanly (bap 3 Jul 1890), d When Where? m Unknown
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Responses to your questions:
Louisa Lucinda Wallace was born in Ventnor.
Sarah Ann's birth record indicates she was born 09 Aug 1876. She died 18 June 1950 in Iroquois.
Peter Perry Pomeroy Everett's death record indicates he was born 08 August 1853 in Burritos Rapids (the informant was his son, James). He died in Matilda and was buried at Iroquois Point.
Children of Sarah Ann and Peter Perry Pomeroy Everett are James Sparling, Zidon Earl, Margaret Louise, Alberta Rosannah and Iva Zella.
I don't have any information regarding a James born to James and Louisa Wilson. Where did you get your source information from?
Are you a member of ancestry.com? I have a family tree on that site.
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Shaun, I am not a member of Ancestry.com. There are many errors in submissions on that site -- beware! Thanks for the additional data on James. I have consulted my records since getting your note and can find no source for a James Junior, so will remove him. Here's more of what I have, open to correction. I do appreciate your assistance and will reciprocate with any information you should wish to have.
Sarah Ann’s family, in 1901, lived with her parents, James and Louisa. Sarah Ann’s son, James Sparling Pomeroy, a soldier, would live in Brockville. Zidon must not have survived childhood, as cousin Emma M. Doran noted that James Sparling was Sarah Ann’s only son. Margaret Louise, who resided in Toronto, would have five sons. Alberta Rosannah provided data on her family when interviewed by Emma in 1976. The Perry mentioned in Emma’s notes may be a grandson of Alberta. Perry would have four girls and lived in Brockville, also Prescott, Belleville and Winnipeg.
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I am aware that I need to be careful with information other people post on Ancestry.com. I try to only add information that I can prove with source documents is accurate, but I have made mistakes; hence the need to clean my file. I only suggest ancestry because it would be one way to communicate and share information in a more private setting. I don't want to post my email on this public site.
I will keep you in mind when I get to this family in my file and start cleaning and adding to it. I have the following source documents:
Peter Perry Pomeroy Everett: 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911, 1921 Canada Census records, Death record
Sarah Ann (Wilson) Everett: 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911, 1921 Canada Census records, Birth record
James Sparling Everett (no Pomeroy in his name): 1901, 1911, 1921 Canada Census records, Marriage record to Mina Mae Ellis, digitized Obituary (this is the line my husband is from)
Zidon Earl Everett: 1901, 1911 Canada Census records, Death record (22 May 1914 in Iroquois Canal by drowning)
Margaret Louise Everett: 1911, 1921 Canada Census records, Birth record. I have the names of her husband and 5 sons, but no sources - I received this information from a trusted relative. I would love any further information you have on this line.
Alberta Rosannah Everett: 1911, 1921 Canada Census records. I would love the information you have from Aunt Alberta (my mother-in-law spoke fondly of this aunt but I have no information)
Iva Zella Everett: 1921 Canada Census record (I am only aware of this individual by this 1921 census record and have no further information on her)
There is a Peter Perry Everett who was very interested in genealogy and is my husband's uncle. He was known by the name Perry. He lived in Smiths Falls. He had four sisters; 1 lived in Belleville, 1 in Prescott, 1 in Brockville and 1 in Winnipeg (my mother-in-law). I think this is the Perry you are referring to.
Look forward to our sharing of information. Please let me know if there is specific information you would like and I will see if I have it.
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Shaun, Unfortunately, I have nothing more on Alberta. She was interviewed in 1976 by a relative, Emma Doran. Emma was born in 1901 (granddaughter of Robert N. Wilson of Iroquois). She did a lot of legwork, assembling notes on the Wilson family history long before the Internet came along. What I sent you were the few words transcribed from her conversation with Alberta.
Have you been to the Shanly graveyard? James Armstrong Wilson's grave is there, along with most of his siblings. James owned Lot 3 in Concession 7 (Shanly, Edwardsburgh). I have a photograph of Newburk's gravestone and also a photograph of Robert N. Wilson's house in Iroquois.
Do you want the story of Robert N. Wilson? Do you know anything about him?
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Kerry-Lynne,
Sorry for the delay in responding to your last note.
No, I have not been to the Shanly graveyard, only the Iroquois one. I have seen a picture of Newburk's gravestone on FindaGrave and would love a photo of Robert N. wilson's house in Iroquois. I would also love the story of Robert N. Wilson, as I know him only from the records I have been able to find online.
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I have been researching for quite sometime on my G.G.G.'s Robert Newburg Wilson family and in the year of 2022,I was able to learn much more about the true identify of his own father's family lineage which I can say honestly I was able to trace back to the 12th Century right up to the 17th Century.
Here are some of my findings. William Wilson--Born on September 28th, 1729,Old Cumnock, Ayrshire County, Scotland, had married on January 8th, 1767 to Margaret Lammie. I do not know much about her or where they were buried. Their son,Patrick Wilson-Born on October 20th, 1768,Maquiresbridge,Fermanagh County, northern Ireland,Died,1851,Hungerford Twp, Ontario, Hastings County, Canada .He had married in 1790 to Jane-Born, 1768,Maquiresbridge, Fermanagh County, Northern Ireland . They had a son -Thomas Wilson-Born, 1790,Darryvallen, Fermanagh CountyNorthern Ireland, his marriage took place in 1815 to Elizabeth Blakely. Patrick's brother,
Robert Newburgh Wilson, Born on March 17,1770, Maquresbridge, Fermanagh County, Northern Ireland, Died on December 29th,1870,Lot 3 of the First Concessioon of Huntingdon Twp, Ontario, Hastings County, Canada. If anyone wish to contact me please do so at this --
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The information that I do have for Thomas Wilson(son of Patrick and Jane Wilson), Born, 1790,Derryvillan , Fermanagh County, Northern Ireland, Died at Derryvillan, Fermanagh County, Northern Ireland, unknown. His marriage took place in 1815 to Elizabeth Blakely who died in 1845.
They had a following children all born, Irvinestown, Derryvillan Parish, Fermanagh County, Northern Ireland----Newberry--Born on September 27,1816, Elizabeth--1818, James--Born,1820, Guy-Born on May 22nd, 1822, Matthew--Born on December 16,1824, Andrew--Born on June 2nd,1826,Irwin Thomas--Born on January 31st, 1828 and Alice--Born, 1831. If you wish to contact me ,please contact me
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Derryvullan https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/derryvullan-and-islands/
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/FER/Derryvullan
and Maguiresbridge, Co. Fermanagh (county should preceed the name)
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In 1861 when Rebecca married John H. Thompson, Drumsonnus, County Tyrone in the same church, Robert's residence was given as Mullaghmeen, County Fermanagh.
William Bleakley and John Hall witnessed the marriage of Rebecca to John Hetherington Thompson in 1861. Ceremony was performed by the Rector Henry Burke.
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John Thompson married Rebecca Wilson on 29 October 1861 at Ballinamallard Parish Church. Rebecca living at Mullaghmeen townland. John a farmer, living at Drumsonis [sic] townland.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1861/09611/5485625.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/tirkennedy/magheracross/ballydoolagh/mullaghmeen/
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/east-omagh/kilskeery/drumharvey/drumsonnus/