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Title: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ev on Thursday 18 October 07 20:22 BST (UK)
hi all

any connections to the following families-

ritchie & mowatt

i'm currently working on aunties tree and have found these lines

ritchie 1790 - 1860s approx gourdon bervie white fishers

mowatt  1800 - 1850 approx gourdon bervie white fishers

big families so excuse me if i don't get back straight away as its taking time
to work through the censuses and info on igi

yours 

ev
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Thursday 18 October 07 23:26 BST (UK)
Hi,
I live in Inverbervie commonly called Bervie although Bervie is actually the Parish which contains the village of Gourdon 1mile distant.  If you have not logged on to it already, there is a website which contains a vast amount about the Mowatt family of Gourdon.
It is:  the mowatts.blogspot.com/2007/09/mowatt-family-tree.html
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ev on Friday 19 October 07 19:43 BST (UK)
hi isles

its probably me but i just can't seem to find this site
thanks for your help anyway

ev
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Friday 19 October 07 22:55 BST (UK)
Hi ev.
Sorry to hear that you couldn't find the website.  Try Googling Mowatt Family of Gourdon.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ev on Sunday 28 October 07 18:07 GMT (UK)
thank you isles

have found site at last(mowatt)
went through google search on my isp - nothing
went through a different site using google - first time
most of the people we have found are on it


ev
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Saturday 02 February 08 15:41 GMT (UK)
I am a descendent of  James Mowatt who moved to Gourdon in 1760 and built his home  establishing Mowats Lane. I have info on the generations preceeding him from Kinneff but few references to confirm them. I have a website http://mowatts.sampasite.com
and would be most obliged if anyone could given more concrete information regarding his ancestors.

Many thanks
D
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ev on Saturday 02 February 08 16:08 GMT (UK)
hi donovan

welcome to rootschat  :)

looked at your site and seem to remember some of the people on your
tree
it was my aunties tree that i was working on at the time and i've now handed
all information back to her
from what i remember i didn't get back any further than you have

ev
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Saturday 02 February 08 16:35 GMT (UK)
Thanks EV
I am going to keep looking as there is a descrpency in the tree and I need to get it resolved.
much love
D
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Rowana on Saturday 02 February 08 20:09 GMT (UK)
Hi DGM,

Just been having a look at your website, and I see that you have an Alexander Gove in your tree.

My mother was Martha Begg Gove, born in 1911, her Father was Munro Gove, born 1-8-1872 in Kinneff.  His Father was Andrew Gove from Gourdon, born 24-10-1841. His father in turn was another Anderew Gove, born about 1810, and as far as I have been able to find out, his father was James Gove.

There are so many Gove's in Gourdon and Johnshaven it's been difficult to sort them out - even the one's I'm directly related to.

We could possibly be related somewhere along the line!
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Saturday 02 February 08 20:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Rowana
All I have is John Gove b.1818 son of Andrew Grove and Christian Lownie. It is possible that he could have been a brother to Andrew born 1810.

Much love
Donovan
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Rowana on Monday 04 February 08 13:33 GMT (UK)
AS far as I know so far, the Andrew born about 1810 was the son of James Gove & Isabel Watson.

It's possible that your Andrew was the brother of James.  If I find out anything definite, I'll let you know.

Cheers
Jim
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Saturday 01 March 08 12:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Everyone
Having successfully sorted out the Mowatt family I decided to follow up on the female side. But I have hit a huge block. My Great grandfather Charles Mowatt married  Helen Butler Rae in Charlestown South Africa on 11 July 1890.  I have tried to source her family but with no success. Passenger records state that they returned to Scotland in 1900 and back to South Africa in 1901. My cousin has books sent to her grandfather [son of Charles in 1908 and 1922]. In them is hand written " Happy Birthday"  and an address 99 Leslie Terrace, Aberdeen. We assume that these would have came from the Rae family as the Mowatts lived in Gourdon. If anyone can help in tracking this line I would be most grateful.

Much Love
Donovan
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Saturday 01 March 08 22:14 GMT (UK)
I entered the name Helen Butler Rae in the ScotlandsPeople index of births
and one came up born 1868 St. Nicholas, Aberdeen.  If she's the correct one this would make her 22 at the time of her marriage. Might be worth having a look at the certificate.
I forgot to check the IGI.  She was born 6 Mar1868 and her parents were John Rae and Helen Butler.  Siblings were Christina Mitchell Rae ( 12 Jun 1866) and Agnes Rae (28 Jan 1870).  There are probably more but the IGI only extends to about 1870.  I could not find a marriage for the parents.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ev on Sunday 02 March 08 11:52 GMT (UK)
hi all

1881 census 16 kintore place old machar aberdeen

john rae 43 tobacco manufacturer employing 2 men 3 girls & 8 boys
helen rae 41 wife
christina m rae 14 domestic servant
helen b rae 10(?) scholar
agnes rae 11 scholar
elizabeth j rae 9 scholar
mary f rae 7 scholar
patricia h rae 3
jane e. rae 5 months

all born aberdeen scotland

just wondering if their marriage was 29th july 1865 old machar aberdeen
john rae and hellen butter
as there is an elizabeth jane rae born 21st febuary 1872 st nicholas
aberdeen parents john rae and helen lawson butter

ev
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Sunday 02 March 08 12:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you both so much. This is correct as I have a birth date of 6 March 1868 for my great grandmother. This now means I can at last start tracking that line as well. Really grateful for this info.

LOL
Donovan
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: talkingtojo on Tuesday 05 August 08 16:57 BST (UK)
Hi
My grandmother was Isabel Mowat Scott born 1902 in Johnshaven.  She immigrated to Canada as a youngster.  Her mother was Jean Mowatt born January 10th 1864 in Gourdon-Bervie.  Jean Mowat's siblings were Alexander (1848), John (1856), Jane (1858), James (1860), Margaret (1862), Andrew (1864), Grahame (1869), Edward (1891)

Isabel's grandfather was was James Mowat born in 1826.  His father was John Mowat.

I live in Ontario, Canada - coming to Scotland in 2009, just starting to learn more about my roots.

Am I related to anyone out there?
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: talkingtojo on Tuesday 05 August 08 17:01 BST (UK)
Hi

I forgot to mention that Jean Mowat married John Scott Dec. 28, 1883 in Gourdon-Bervie

I am keen to make some 'family' connections

JoAnne Brooks
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: lyndyloo6 on Saturday 16 August 08 11:32 BST (UK)
Hello,

I am currently researching my family tree and it has taken me to Gourdon.  My family are the Welsh family, who are also  a fishing family.  Can you tell me if any of the Mowatts have married into the Welsh family?   I am new to this site, so am not sure if I should post here.

Many thanks,
Lynda
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ripriprip on Sunday 21 September 08 06:52 BST (UK)
To JoAnne Brooks,

Donovan sent me the link to your post here.
I was born in Toronto I hear you live in Ontario. I live in BC now. My Mowat family lives around Toronto still.

Your Mowat family - Lets get right to James Mowat born 1826 to the parents of
James Mowat b. 1804, and Margaret Duncan.

James born 1804 to the parents of John Mowat b. 1763, and Isabella Grieve.

John Mowat was born to James Mowat and Christian Donaldson.

John Mowat & Christian Donaldson's children are:
Christian Mowat
1760 – 

James Mowat
1761 – 

John Mowat
1763 – 

Margaret Mowat
1766 – 

Jean Mowat
1766 – 

Isabel Mowat
1769 – 

Elspet Mowat
1772 – 

Elisabeth Mowat
1774 – 

Ann Mowat
1777 – 

Mary Mowat
1780 – 1864

(there may be more)

I am descendant from John's older brother- James, born 1761, he married Ann Davidson, they had about 8 kids or so. I follow the line of  their son David, b. 1799, he married Ann Colvine. They had about 4 boys (all I could find so far)
Of them, I stem from David born 1826 who married Elizabeth (nee Taylor) Thomson. They had about 11 kids..

I could go on... but thats enough for an introduction. I will be in Ontario Oct1st 2008 for a week. Anyway, contact me

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Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - mouat/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Sunday 28 September 08 15:49 BST (UK)
Hi All
I recently had someone give me a lot of info on a branch of my family which I didnt have. I never queried it until I was updating my gedcom this week. In his tree he has a Robert Mowat 1801 as the twin brother of Andrew Mowat born to James Mowat 1761 and Anne Davidson. He then has a James Mouat 1830 as a son of Jane and Robert. He isn't in the 1851 census. He should be about 21 and unmarried. He marries a Jane Jolly 27 Jan 1854.

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I cant find any other sources that might link him to Robert and Jane.

Can anyone Help?

Thanks
Donovan
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Sunday 28 September 08 15:52 BST (UK)
Forgot to add that Jean and Jane are the same. The usual Scottish problem with dialect and spelling!!!!!
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ripriprip on Sunday 28 September 08 17:06 BST (UK)
Donovan, I have to go to work quick, but... I do have the birth record for the twins.. I will send it to your new email address that handles large files... *  ;)

The problem I see, in my tree is that I have Andrew, born 1801 married to Penuel Beatie - but I don't have any children listed for them yet.

for his twin brother Robert, I have Robert being married to Jean A Gordon. Children I have for them are:
Andrew 1826,
Jane 1828 &
May 1839.

When I get home from work today, I will check my sources for these relationships. For Robert's marriage, I have noted - Scotlandspeople.gov.uk Gros Data 254/ 0020 0141.


I do have a Jolly in my ONLINE tree...
I do have a Margaret Jolly Mowat in my online tree... Born to Edward Farquharson Mowat and Catherine Ritchie in 1885.
(I have other Jolly's too, but not online, in a file I will have to look at)

ANYWAY -This James, born to Robert and Jean, I do have him on a file in my computer, that Ken sent me. But I do not have any recorded sources of my own for him. I will look for some when I get home.

Ken's file says James was born in abt 1831, married to Jane Jolly, marriage date: 27 Jan 1854
again, I don't have sources of my own, I got the info from Ken.

Ken's file also has other children for Robert b. 1801 and Jean Gordon. he has:
Andrew
Jane
James
Ann
Robert
Mary
and
May
(in birth order)

Have fun going thru this, chat later
Tammy
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Sunday 28 September 08 17:38 BST (UK)
Excuse me for butting in to this thread.  According to the IGI and the 1851 Census of Bervie, Robert and Jane Gordon's family were: 

Andrew 1826
Jane 1828
Ann 1834
Robert 1837
May 1839
Mary 1842
William 1848

James is missing but if he is the same person who married Jane Jolly at Montrose in 1854 he would fit in between Jane and Ann.
The ScotlandsPeople index of deaths shows a James Mouat who died at Montrose in 1917 aged 88. As his parents names would be given in the certificate this would prove whether he was the son of Robert and Jane.  Robert and his brother Andrew were twins born 1801 their parents being James Mowatt and Ann Davidson.
I found 2 James Mowatts in the 1851 census, one aged 21 and one aged 24. I will get back to you once I have scrolled through the index and found which County and Parish they were in at the time.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Sunday 28 September 08 17:58 BST (UK)
The death date I have is also 1917 but I don't any references. It is quite possible that he wasn't at home with the family during the 1851 census as he would have been 21 already and most probably living elsewhere. So this is good news if his death certificate does have Jane and Robert as the parents.

Many thanks
Donovan
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Sunday 28 September 08 18:52 BST (UK)
I think that I may have found James Mowat (note the spelling) in the 1851 Bervie Census aged 22.  You would need to check the actual Census to confirm.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ripriprip on Monday 29 September 08 05:25 BST (UK)
Yes it is confirmed, James in question here is the son of James Mowat and Jean Gordon. See attached
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ripriprip on Monday 29 September 08 05:34 BST (UK)
Wait.. I am mixed up now.

Death record says that James Mowatt's parents are James Mowat and Jean Gordon...
Not Robert Mowatt, and Jane Gordon.. I better look at my tree... :(

Well my tree says that Robert Mowat and Jean Gordon are his parents... perhaps son William, guessed at his grandfather's name, since he died so long ago. OR since I can't find his birth record (so far) on scotlandspeople... do we assume that these really are his parents...

Up for debate I guess!!
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: regross on Monday 29 September 08 06:44 BST (UK)
Nice dilemma you have.

Perhaps James was also known as Robert within the family or vice versa. I have a Charles who was also Thomas in some records and another James was listed as Thomas in a census, wife and family the same!!!

I have a link with GORDONS of BERVIE, my gggrandfather was John Gordon b BERVIE 1818 son of John Gordon 1790 and Rebecca Webster.

Prior to emigrating in the 1850's to Australia, John Gordon 1818 was the manager of the Montrose pottery. His father John b 1790 was killed when a sandbank collapsed on him. In his will we left a large sum of money to found a school. His sister Jean/Jane b 1814 and brother Alexander 1821 also came to Australia.

John b 1790 has a sister Jean/Jane Gordon b 1803 also twin brothers James and Alexander b 1808 (other siblings names Hugh, Rachel, Ann& Robert, parents Thomas Gordon and Jean Longmuir.)

The earliest records I have are for John Gordon c 1730 who married Cristian Coutts. I believe that these individuals are buried in the cemetery in Bervie as sks has transcribed the headstones for me. No proof but it has been suggested that his father was Lewis Gordon and his mother Katharine Forbes.

regards

Robyn in Australia
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ripriprip on Monday 29 September 08 08:17 BST (UK)
I did a scotlandspeople search for the 1841 census.. for Andrew Mowat age 14-20, since Andrew, born to Robert Mowat, and Jane Gordon was born Sept 1826.

results:


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The one I paid for is interesting, I will explain it (if anyone wants the image, ask me and I'll email it)

Here are a list of Surnames (& heads) on the two pages returned (so you can see neighbours)

in Gourdon

Charles Ogilvie (age 33)
Michael Gowary (sp?) (age 22)
William Legg (age 36)
James Milne (age 34)
William Dunbar (age 25)
James Milne (age 60)
**James Mowat (age 30)
household members are:
-Margaret (I figured maiden name Duncan) -30
- James - 15
- William - 11
- John - 8
- Jean Spence Mowat - 5
- Andrew - 3
-----------(next home)----------
**Isabella Mowat (Mouat age 60)
Alexander (age 25)
John (age 20)
May (age 20)
Andrew (age 15)

-----------(next home)----------
Lilias Freeman (age 50)

~~~~~~~~~done~~~~~~~

Well, that Andrew in that last house could be the one born to Robert and Jean Gordon. I have not found them yet on the 1841 census. I will keep looking.

Question, who is Isabella Mowat age 60? I don't think I have an Isabell in my tree, who married a Mowat, that I can think of...

More later
Tammy
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ripriprip on Monday 29 September 08 08:34 BST (UK)
Ok
Donovan!

I found Robert & Jean, and there is a James in the home. I'm not going to transcribe the two pages I paid for this time, because the writing is a bit harder to read.

I will post the list of all the records returned on my search, in case that helps others. Then I will transcribe the household of Robert Mowat (only).

Results:

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I have found an effective way to search, using:
"mouat"; Use Soundex: On;
-seems to cover all the spellings of Mowat, while not including surnames like Mathew.

Anyway, here is Roberts family

Living in Bervie, placename is Fishers Gate

Robt Mowat (Mouat) - 35 Ag Lab
Jean - 30
Jean (looks like Jr) - 14 (looks like flax spnr)
James - 11
Ann - 8
Robt - 4
May - 2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~

I would like to remind every one that the census was to record who ever slept in the home the nite of 6 June 1841.
People ages 0-15 had their ages recorded. People over 15 had their ages rounded down to the nearest 5.

Therefore, Robert is supposed to be 39, he has been recorded as 35.

Perhaps the Andrew in the last post is the son of Robert, maybe he just slept over at family's home that night.

Anyone wants the image, email me
I will send.

Tammy

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Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: talkingtojo on Monday 29 September 08 12:11 BST (UK)
Hello;

Re: Isabella Mowat > I have George Grieve (1731-1809) married Rebecca Malcolm (1737-1833) who had Isabella Grieve (1777-1861).  She married John Mowatt Jan, 12, 1801 in Bervie.  Is this the Isabella you refer to?

JoAnne

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Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Monday 29 September 08 13:12 BST (UK)
Hallo Donovan and others.
Having a spare credit for ScotlandsPeople I downloaded the marriage certificate of James Mowatt and his second wife, Charlotte Freeman.  It confirms that his parents were Robert Mowatt and Jane Gordon.

Statutory Marriages 312/00  0033
James Mowatt, Journeyman Baker aged 48, usual residence 1 Queen St. Montrose married at 8 Reform Street, Montrose on 6 Mar 1879 to Charlotte Freeman, domestic servant aged 35, usual residence 10 Reform Street, Montrose.  His parents: Robert Mowatt, ploughman (deceased) and Jane Gordon (deceased).  Her parents:
Mother - Jane Freeman, domestic servant ( father's name not given).
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: DGM on Sunday 12 October 08 10:09 BST (UK)
Hi All
Thank you for confirming this for me. I can now confidently add an entire branch to the family tree.

I am now on another mission. Something has intrigued me for a while. James Mowatt 1733 had three brothers - William 1732, John 1738 and George 1740.

The story is that the press gang came during the seven years war and took three of the brothers. James was spared as he was cripple. He then moved to the village of Gourdon.
I see from posts and websites that William eventually settled in Fetteresso. But I havent been able to find any further info on the other two brothers.

Does anyone know what happened to them?

Regards
Donovan
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Friday 14 November 08 10:23 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
I have a Mowat connection with a Margaret MOWAT marr.James Mearns MCBAY,Bervie,Kinc.c1919.
James died 1928 aged 38,due to a RNLI lifeboat overturnig in a harbour after a rescue.I believe James was born in the parish of Benholm and is my 3c2r.I do not have any further information on Margaret.
Does anyone recognise this family.
Many thanks ;)
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Friday 14 November 08 21:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Foggyman.  Although I have no connection to your McBay/Mowatt family I know James McBay's son. James also had at least one more child.  You may know this already but in any case here is the descent of this family of McBays:

James McBay
m. 1770 St Cyrus, Margaret Blews.

Alexander McBay 1769-1855
m. 1802 St Cyrus, Christian Ritchie.
He was a sailor & fisherman born Milton, St Cyrus and spent 16 years in Johnshaven.

Edward McBay 1804-1848
m. 1827 St Cyrus, Isobel Mearns.

John Mearns McBay 1828-1897
m. 1) Ann Davidson
     2) Elizabeth Pert

Logie McBay 1850-1933
m. 1874, Agnes Donaldson

James McBay 1882
m. Margaret Mowatt

1 daughter &1 son (the latter still alive).

I hope this is of some help.  If you give me a little more time I'll try and trace Margaret Mowatt's forebears.
I have now found that  Margaret Criggie Mowatt's first husband (m. 4 Nov 1910 at Mowatt's Lane, Gourdon) was David Gibb, a fisherman living at Mid St. Johnshaven.  Her second husband (m. 1919 Bervie) was James D. McBay, a widower living at Fore St. Johnshaven. Margaret was born about 1884 and died in 1970.  Her parents were Munro Mowatt who married Margaret Smith.  According to Margaret Criggie Mowatt's birth certificate they married at Arbroath on 4 Oct 1876.  I could not trace the marriage and also was unable to trace Munro's birth.

Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: lyndyloo6 on Friday 14 November 08 21:59 GMT (UK)
Corrrrr Isles,  You are brilliant.  Have been watching this posting as I have a McRobb marrying a McBey.  You certainly are a font of knowledge :)

Regards,
Lynda
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Friday 14 November 08 23:04 GMT (UK)
Spare my blushes Lynda.  I'll now have to visit the local draper's shop and buy a larger cap.  ;D ;D

Regards,
Isles.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Saturday 15 November 08 10:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Isles,
Thank you very much for the information on James D. I was looking at James Mearns and you have put me on the right track, I am fascinated by my mother,s family line in Scotland and have been to Scotland several times prior to knowing my family connections and I always felt that I belonged there in a strange way. I live near the River Thames in Surrey and have a great affection for water and support the RNLI. I now think I know the meaning of "its in your genes"
Thank you for your time and effort in helping me it is greatly appreciated.  ;) ;) ;)
Regards
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Saturday 15 November 08 11:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Lynda,
I have several McBay/Bey brickwalls and am interested in all connections for the line in Kincardine for the period 1800/1900 and will be very grateful for any information you have on your McBay/Bey. ;)
Regards
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Saturday 15 November 08 11:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Isles,
I forgot to mention I have the direct McBayBey line  of my ancestors,but because there are so many children involved I am trying to fill in the Aunts/Uncles ets.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Isles on Saturday 15 November 08 12:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Foggyman.  I now have the details of your Mowatt line (spelled Mouat in the earlier generations).

John Mouat  married 12 Jan 1801 Bervie, Isabel Grieve.

John Mouat  b. 13 Sep 1816 Bervie. Married 21 Oct 1849 Bervie, Helen Aberdeen. He died 16 May 1894.

Munro Mowatt b. about 1849. Married 4 Oct 1876 Arbroath, Margaret Smith. He died 2 Feb 1924 at Mowatt's Lane, Gourdon aged 75.

Margaret Criggie Mowatt b. 1884 Bervie.

You mentioned that you were trying to find the siblings of your McBay family. There are so many that if you send me your email address by private message I can then scan them and send the results.  Only if you want to do this of course.

Regards.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Saturday 15 November 08 13:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Isles,
Yes I am very interested in your very kind offer and will come back to you in the next day or so
Regards
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: lyndyloo6 on Saturday 15 November 08 14:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Foggyman,

My McBay/beys are from Marnoch in Aberdeenshire.  They are  Mgt McRobb married James Findlater.  Their daughter Helen Findlater married Robert McBey dob 6.12.1842.  Robert was a postie and died in 1921 at High Stree, Hampshire.  They had a son Rober born in Marnoch in 1870.  He was a farmer and seems to have died in 1905.  Not done a lot on this am afraid, but may help you....

Regards,
Lynda
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Saturday 15 November 08 15:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Lynda,
I do not know if your McBey's from Aberdeen are part of my line.I have been given information that my line was first mentioned up in Banff a village called Findochty and came down to Miltonhaven St.Cyrus c1769.Miltonhaven was devastated by a storm c1795 and approx 80 houses on the shoreline were destroyed during the night and the survivors trekked up to Johnshaven and then started to migrate into NE England with my line down in London. For some reason it looks like they bypassed Aberdeenshire.
Thanks for the information,I feel sure that all the McBay/McBey's are related but with the highland clearances and the clan wars they moved to and from Northern Ireland and lost their indentities with other lines of the family. :-[
Regards
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ripriprip on Sunday 16 November 08 08:58 GMT (UK)
Hello;

Re: Isabella Mowat > I have George Grieve (1731-1809) married Rebecca Malcolm (1737-1833) who had Isabella Grieve (1777-1861).  She married John Mowatt Jan, 12, 1801 in Bervie.  Is this the Isabella you refer to?

JoAnne


Yes this is her, now that you bring this to my attention. I did not know her parents names!
Thank you for them.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Monday 17 November 08 10:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Isles,
Many thanks for the McBay Family Tree you sent me,I will be digesting all the data with great interest over the coming weeks and include it into my tree in due course. I had heard stories of the McBay's on the lifeboats and some tragic accidents involving them. You mention a book by Roy Souter "Wild and Rocky Coast" is it available for purchase and if so where can I obtain a copy of it? Edward was my 4xGrt.Uncle.
Once again I really do appreciate the time and effort you have given me and I look forward to many more "conversations" .
Regards
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: AliMc on Tuesday 24 February 09 19:40 GMT (UK)
Spotted my grt grandmothers name HELEN FINDLATER on lyndyloo6 's reply .According to Robert McBeys marriage cert his father was reputed to be Robert McBey Postman and this is where I stick.I have found a R Mc (postal worker) on a census from Boharm,about the right age,but is he the right one ?
Robert Findlater McBey died in 1905 when my grandfather was 3years old .My Grandad was also Robert McBey.
Has anyone come across James McBain,(father Farquhar McBain) who was also supposedly an older son of the unmarried Miss Findlater?
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Icey on Tuesday 19 May 09 19:08 BST (UK)
Hi there

My name is Kevin McBay

I am crew member of the Montrose Lifeboat. I have been asked about the late James McBay who died aboard the Johnshaven lifeboat by the station mechanic.

I didnt know anything about this until i did a quick google search and came across this thread.

The RNLI are preparing a memorial in memory of RNLI crew who were lost while crewing the boats. I am unsure of the details.

Foggy, could you please contact the station in Montrose? The number can be gained from the directory enquiries. If you get stuck i will keep an eye on this thread

I dont want to post details in the thread in case it is not allowed?
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: lyndyloo6 on Tuesday 19 May 09 20:50 BST (UK)
Hi Kevin, and welcome to Rootschat. 

Could you let me/us know as I am sure that some of us may have relatives and it is nice to know these things.  I know that both sides of my family, Welsh and MacDonald both sailed out of Montrose. 

Regards,
Lynda
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Icey on Tuesday 19 May 09 21:03 BST (UK)
Hey there :)

my grandfather is originally from the Johnshaven and Bervie area.

My grandfather David Ogilivie McBay joined the RAF and travelled the world. My dad Grant McBay was in the army, when he left the army in '88 we settled in montrose, we have been here since.

I have been a member of the RNLI Lifeboat in Montrose for approx 11 years now :D
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Icey on Tuesday 19 May 09 21:11 BST (UK)
for info,

http://www.mearnsleader.co.uk/Register.aspx?ReturnURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mearnsleader.co.uk%2Fnews%2FHEROES-FEATURED-ON-NEW-MEMORIAL.5023810.jp
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: lyndyloo6 on Tuesday 19 May 09 21:29 BST (UK)
Thanks for that, It was very interesting.....bet your grandad knew my grandad...  He was Tam Welsh born in 1909.....his brother was Alex Welsh BEM.

thank you ,
Lynda
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Icey on Tuesday 19 May 09 21:33 BST (UK)
hey again

he possible did, my grandfather passed away in 2001. i think he was born roughly 1935 but would need to ask my gran for precise dates :D

I have only just turned 30 and have been in montrose since 88

Kev
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: lyndyloo6 on Tuesday 19 May 09 22:06 BST (UK)
Chances are it would have been my mother he would have known....sorry am a wee bit older than you...my mum was born in 1936 and her name was Wendy Welsh...her brother was Terry :D
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Wednesday 20 May 09 14:27 BST (UK)
Hi,
Icey: I have sent you a couple of PMs re:James McBay and we need to make contact.

AliMc: I am very interested in Your Robert McBay/McBey's as I have several Robert's who appear in my research of this line that I am not able to establish their parents,mainly fishermen/RNLI/coastguards/Merchant Navy in Kincardineshire and migrating down to Sunderland/Newcastle and the north east coast of England.
My McBay/Bey's originate from Broadhyth/Rathven,Bannfshire,Scotland back in the early 1700s and may have returned from Ireland.
Mike
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: AliMc on Wednesday 20 May 09 17:05 BST (UK)
Just to make things more complicated another cousin has done some research and says that Robert McBey (postal worker) can't have been our grt grt grandfather because where he lived at the 1871 census was too far away from where Helen Findlater lived with her son Robert McBey Findlater,our grt grandfather (reputed father RMc postman)and she may have just picked a name out of the air!! I am not so sure but am stuck in Bristol too far away to see for myself.Oh,and my Grandfather ,Robert McBey married a Mearns
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Wednesday 20 May 09 17:59 BST (UK)
Hi,
I have 17 Roberts in my tree,4 Mearns and no Findlater.
The three you mention,are you able to tell me where and when they were born? This may help me to establish some connections, Like you, I live in Surrey and find it difficult to do the research on original documents, but I have several connections in Scotland through Genes Reunited to which I also subscribe to. All the McBay/Bey's around the Johnshaven area I believe are connected. The Blues(and name variations) and McBay's were very prominent around the parish of Benholm and St.Cyrus from the mid 1700's :)

Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ev on Wednesday 20 May 09 19:27 BST (UK)
hi all  :)

i found this on rootsweb -

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gg_perry27&id=I574


ev
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: foggyman on Thursday 21 May 09 17:53 BST (UK)
Hi Lynda,
I have a Robert b 17 Oct 1842 Johnshaven,Kinc.,bapt.6 Dec 1842 Benholm,Kinc.Gros ref. 253/0030 0085, Ftr.Alexander McBay/Bey marr,23 Mar 1833 Kinc, Elizabeth Mearns and had a least 8 children.
I do not have any further info on Robert and is my 1c4r.
Could this be a connection???
I look forward to hearing from you.
Mike
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: lyndyloo6 on Thursday 21 May 09 22:05 BST (UK)
Hi There,
Just got your message and will have to look at my tree to confirm who is who.  I beleive it is possibly my McRobbs that have the connection :D
Lynda
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Johnner Kid on Thursday 06 August 09 17:13 BST (UK)
I'm just about getting the hang of this Rootschat Forum.
This thread seems to be fairly active so I'll post my query here as well as elsewhere.
I'm researching the FREEMANs of GOURDON & JOHNSHAVEN

Here is my question:
Alexander FREEMAN b. 1691 baptised BERVIE 30:8:1691. 
Between 1713 and 1728 he fathered six children.
Bervie OPR lists him as FISHER in GOURDON. 
The Clerk who registered the Bervie baptisms in this period never once recorded the name of the mother.
Alexander's children:
Alexander  b. 5th Sept 1713
John  b. 16th Sept 1716
Margaret b. 1st July 1718
Robert  b. 12th Feb 1721
William  b. 12th June 1726
James  b. 8th June 1728 = Margaret ALLAN, 1757
James is my ancestor.

Searching for a marriage in Scotlandspeople from Kinneff to St Cyrus shows only one:
Alexander m. Elspet CORMAK in Kinneff & Caterline in 1725
date if correct is far too late for all but the last child born 1728.

Can anyone  cast any new light on this.

Sandy P.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Rory Calhoun on Wednesday 17 March 10 18:42 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I'm a Mowat(t) who has just joined RootsChat.com and I see that there have been a few queries regarding the Mowat family line...."James Mowat & Christian Lindsay." who married 3 March 1731 in Kinneff. James was my great, great, great, great, great, great garndfather and with a little help from Alex and Donovan Mowatt I have a good family tree made up. It may answer some questions about the twins Andrew & Robert? If anyone is interested, I can send it on?
Andy M.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Murron on Thursday 07 June 12 20:41 BST (UK)
Hi Foggyman.  I now have the details of your Mowatt line (spelled Mouat in the earlier generations).

John Mouat  married 12 Jan 1801 Bervie, Isabel Grieve.

John Mouat  b. 13 Sep 1816 Bervie. Married 21 Oct 1849 Bervie, Helen Aberdeen. He died 16 May 1894.

Munro Mowatt b. about 1849. Married 4 Oct 1876 Arbroath, Margaret Smith. He died 2 Feb 1924 at Mowatt's Lane, Gourdon aged 75.

Margaret Criggie Mowatt b. 1884 Bervie.

You mentioned that you were trying to find the siblings of your McBay family. There are so many that if you send me your email address by private message I can then scan them and send the results.  Only if you want to do this of course.

Regards.
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: Murron on Thursday 07 June 12 20:42 BST (UK)
Hi,

James mowatt was my great great grandfather.  He married Helen Aberdeen.  I have a few other members on the family tree that my grandfather did. If this is any help
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: angusg on Wednesday 20 June 12 08:39 BST (UK)
Hi aLL,
I just found this thread, that I had overllooked somehow.

Regarding Andrew MOWAT or Mowatt or Moust born Bervie
about 1801 to James Mowat and Ann DAVIDSON.

married Penuel or Penelope or Penny BEATTIE
9 December 1827 at Benholm (next parish to Bervie)
both were of the parish of Benholm.

1841 Census The couple were in Bervie
Schedule # ? Dwelling Fisher Gate
Andrw MOUST 35 M Ag. Lab. Y
Penny MOUST 25 F                Y
1851 census
Schedule # 84 Dwelling Cowgate
  Andrew MOUAT Head Mar 50 M  Carrier Master              Bervie Kincardine
                                                             employing (1)man
  Penual MOUAT Wife Mar   39 F                                      Kinneff Kincardin

1861 Census
Schedule # 89 Dwelling 2 New School Lane
Rooms with one or more windows 1
  Andrew MOWAT Head Mar 60 M  Carter  Bervie Kincardine
   Pennie MOWAT Wife Mar  46 F               Kinneff Kincardine

1871 Census
Schedule # 83 Dwelling School Lane
  Andrew MOWAT Head Mar 70  M  Labourer Bervie Kincardine
Penelope MOWAT Wife Mar  57? F               Kinneff Kincardine

April 2 nd 1878 Andeew died
5 School Wynd, Inverbervie, Kincardine

Census 1881 
Schedule # 32 Dwelling 2 School Lane
Penelope Mowatt Head W 70 F formerly Domestic Servt. Kinneff Kincardine

Census 1891
Schedule # 68 Dwelling David Street
Penelope Mowatt Head Widow  70 F  Pauper                    Bervie Kincardine

Janaury 27 th 1898 Penuel died
David Street, Bervie

It appears they did not have children

Thanks to EV for help in a previous post of MOWATS on this board

Penuels father was Willliam BEATTIE, Farmer at Brawliemuir, Benholm
his wife was Isobel KENNEDY. Penuel was their second of eleven children.
the 1851 Census has his birthplace as Dunnottar his wifes was Fourdon

I was unable to find her birth in Kinneff or the marriage of her parents in Kincardineshire

Regards to all you Mowats and McBeys etc out there. and Rowena

Angus
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: David Wayne McBay on Sunday 03 February 13 20:05 GMT (UK)
I am David Wayne McBay. Richardson, North Dallas, Texas, USA, 1954 thru present day, tracing my ancestors back to Ireland. The farthest back is General Marion McBay, @1830? is anyone familiar with this group of people? Reply to *
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: ev on Monday 04 February 13 07:43 GMT (UK)
Hi David , welcome to Rootschat  :)

I have removed your email address as it's against RC policy to give this on the open Forum.

ev

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=36283217
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: bervie scottdaughter on Sunday 27 April 14 22:06 BST (UK)
Hi, My great grandfather was John Scott, married to Jane Mowatt, they came to Pense, Saskatchewan, Canada after WW1 with their children and grandson, my father, Herculas Hunter, aka, Hector around 1919. My cousin, Harvey Brooks, had copied church records going back several hundred years for the Scott side but not for Jane Mowatt (not sure where I put the records, have been looking for them). I am interested in contacting relatives on both sides. Victoria
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: bervie scottdaughter on Sunday 27 April 14 22:21 BST (UK)
JoAnn Brooks, if your father was Harvey, then I believe we are cousins. Harvey was my dads cousin, their mother's were sisters. My grandmother's name was Helen Scott.  Another sister was Maggie. Their  parents were back and forth between Scotland and Saskatchewan several times according to my great uncle Alec Scott
Victoria
Title: Re: bervie fishing folk - ritchie/mowatt
Post by: bervie scottdaughter on Sunday 27 April 14 22:23 BST (UK)
Not quite sure of names as it was very difficult to get information from my great aunts and uncles when I met them