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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: juliebenny on Friday 30 November 07 04:38 GMT (UK)
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Looking for reference to Colville (b) about 1823 Midlothian father possibly
George. Colville (m) Sarah Candish in Melbourne 1849. I have found no
reference to shipping records either. Any help greatly appreciated.
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Hi Juliebenny,
Never found anything in Scottish Records for Colville Armstrong, looked on IGI and got the following, maybe answer lies nearer home.
Oliver Goldsmith Armstrong marries Agnes Frances Carpenter 11 Nov 1843 Hobart, Tasmania, - extracted IGI.
There is a Colville Beckett Armstrong born 11 Aug 1849 to parents Oliver Goldsmith Armstrong and Agnes Frances Carpenter, in Hobart Tasmania Australia. (extracted IGI)
There is also a Oliver Goldsmith Colville Armstrong born to same parents in 1844 in Tasmania, also. (Submitted record IGI)
Oliver Goldsmith Coleville Armstrong marries Martha Clark 24 Dec 1869 North Melbourne Victoria, Australia. (Submitted record IGI)
Tom
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Thanks for the reply.
My Colville (m) Sarah Candish in Melb in 1849. Sarah's family were from Pimlico,
London. Colville & Sarah had 10 children around the Castlemain, Chewton
area in Victoria. Thanks but I'll have to keep looking.
Julie
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Hi juliebenny,
Can you list chldren's names, there is sometimes a Scottish naming convention, that can help pin down grandparent's names.
Follow the link to read about it, if Scottish parent involved , he may have used it.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02aj/
Tom
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Thanks Tom
Colville (m) Sarah Candish in Melb in 1849. Children were Joseph (b) 1854,
Elizabeth (b) 1856, Jane (b) 1858, Charlotte (b) 1861, Thomas (b) 1863,
Colville (b) 1866, Jane (b) 1871 & Hume (b) 1872 but they were all born in
are around Castlemain, mainly Chewton.
I think Colville's father was named George.
Thanks for trying
Julie
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Hi juliebenny
The Colville Armstrong you refer to was my Great Great Grandfather and Colville Jnr my Great Grandfather. Snr drowned at Chewton about 1886 and Jnr died at Golden Square (Bendigo) in 1963.
Graham
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Gr8 to hear from you Graham
I'm decended from Joseph Armstrong and have a bit of info. on them also Candish/Duncans/Hendersons as well, but the elusive Colville Snr remains a mystery. Do you have any info. on him that may have been passed down via Colville Jnr. My email is (*) if you can help. Look forward to hearing from you.
Julie
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Hi Julie,
My partner is a decendant of Hume armstrong (through his second marriage to Ethel Nicol), I have just started researching his family, would love to hear of anyhing you have on the armstrong side if you dont mind.
This is a newspaper article on Colville Armstrong snr:
The Mercury Hobart Tasmania Friday 1st March 1889 p3
(From Melbourne Papers)
VICTORIA.
Castlemaine, February 25.
The body of a very old resident of Chewton named Colville Armstrong, a tinsmith by trade, was discovered this morning in the Junction reservoir, situated close to the railway line, between Chewton and Elphinstone. Deceased, who has been in a very despondent mood of late through being deprived of the loss of one eye, left his residence at Charcoal Gully about 7 o'clock, being accompanied by his dog. As he did not return to dinner his wife became alarmed, as last night he was in a very melancholy state. Enquiries were made respecting his whereabouts, and towards noon a platelayer noticed a hat and stick lying on the bank of the reservoir. A few minutes afterwards the body was recovered, life being quite extinct. Deceased was about 60 years of age, and leaves a grown up family. His suicidal act is believed to have been brought about by despondency, arising from the partial loss of his eyesight.
Regards Trudy
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Hi Julie
The following link will shed some light on George Armstrong (my GGGGrandfather). http://www.foskc.org/emigrants.htm My father tells the story that was passed to him by Colville jnr. George was a blacksmith and had to carry all his tools of trade including his anvil ashore through the marshes at Port Ormond and collapsed later dying a couple of days later. I have some other info that I will post in next couple of weeks.
Graham
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George Armstrong married on 3rd June 1809 at Westruther Berwick Scotland to Forester Lindsay
George and his son Walter came to Australia on board the Glen Huntly in April 1840, George died of dysentery not long after arriving, Walter aged 18 survived the trip over
when did Colville arrive in Australia? I cant seem to find a passenger record of him
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Hi Trudy
good to hear from you. If you send me your email via a personal message I will be happy to send info.
Hi Graham
Are you sure George from the "Glen Huntly" is our George, I'm not so sure, the shipping records do not add up. Do you have any other paperwork that ties it all in.
Cheers
Julie
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Hi Julie
According to dad's recollections of his childhood with Colville Jnr that was the story, I have some other stuff which I will post shortly.
Hi Trudy
Colville Snr. married Sarah Candish 10 Jan 1849 in Melbourne.
Graham
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Hi Army, your dad's story is a bit coincidental though
Walter Armstrong (born in 19/6/1822 Berwick Scotland who came to Australia on the glen huntly with his father George armstrong), his mother was Forester/Forrester Lindsay,
George and Forester married 03 June 1809 Westruther,Berwick,Scotland, there were a number of births to them but couldn't find colville's birth
a census record for 1831 would be good
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John married Clara Colville (father Wiliam Colville mother Margaret Fender) 16/05/1755
Betty born 05/06/1785 died ?
George born 12/04/1787 died 04/1840 Married (03/06/1809) Forrester Lindsay died 02/11/1837
John born 18/08/1810 died 10/06/1867
William born 14/02/1814 died 1864
Catherine born 19/05/1816 died ?
James born 19/04/1818 died ?
George born 30/05/1820 died 30/01/1882
Walter born 13/08/1822 died ?
Colville Snr. born 1826 died 25/02/1889
Hume born 1826 died 03/01/1827
Hume born 1827 died 09/02/1858
Margaret born 06/02/1782 died ?
William born 31/08/1791 died ?
Army
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Hi Trudy
Been awhile. Granddad & dad used to talk about Hume quite often unfortunately both now gone. Are you still in the Jerilderie/Berrigan area, I'm not far from there? I have a suspicion that Colville Snr may have come to Oz via Canada, US or NZ I'm still trying to track it down. Another name that has popped up is Black not sure if there is a family link.
Army
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Hi all on this thread. My grandmother (Ida Florence Wilson b:17th August, 1909) was the illegitimate daughter of Cecilia Annie Victoria Wilson (b:1892 d:1944). Cecilia was only 16 years old when she gave birth to my grandmother and there was no father's name on the birth certificate. My grandmother was fostered out as a baby and I'm not sure what she knew of her parents.
Cecilia (known as 'Annie') married William Colville Armstrong (b:1884 d:1919) in 1910.
William's parents were Joseph Armstrong (b:1854 d:1890) and Alice Josephine Henderson Duncan (b:1860 d:1954).
Joseph's parents were Colville Armstrong (b: @1823 d:1889) and Sarah Charlotte Candish (b:1832 d:1922)
I do not know for sure that William was my grandmother's father but he was at the very least her step-father.
I've just been having another look at Colville Armstrong and found this thread (and another) about Colville's father George and brother Walter coming to Australia on the "Glen Huntly" in 1940 and George dying shortly afterwards. I have not been able to find a marriage or death for Walter Armstrong.
I notice that no-one has found any reference to Colville's birth in Scotland or any ship records. Colville's death index states he was 66 years when he died in Feb, 1889 putting his birth at 1822/early 1823. Interestingly Walter's birth date was 19th June 1822. Do you think that Colville IS Walter???? Lots of people back then used different names and there was not the legality there is today.
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Walter/Colville interesting thought, maybe his real name is "Walter Colville Armstrong" or Colville Walter Armstrong :-\
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It is an interesting thought but not convinced they were the same person. My sisters have been to Scotland and have found something about Colville coming here but under another family name. There is also the chance that he was here before George and Walter came to Australia. I knew my G grandfather Colville Jnr. but I was more interested in his stories of the gold rushes around central Victoria. My grandfather and Dad used to tell some stories but they too have gone, I have an uncle (86) near Melbourne (the only one left that could know something) he talks freely about growing up around Colville Jnr. Some things we will never know.
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Hi Army
back on the Colville trail. It would be interesting to know the details your sisters found in Scotland re: shipping for Colville snr and if your uncle was able to shine any light on the subject.
Cheers
Julie
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Hi Julie
My sister believes that Colville with some of his siblings arrived on the same ship as George and Walter under the name of McKinnon. The link below is to a Glen Huntly blog. My sister Maree has been doing a lot of work on the Colville trail but it was a long time ago. http://www.katebirrell.com/blog/2014/3/6/cctyc08qt88rqb8ul7q24fwg852kqe
Cheers
Graham
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Thanks Graham
what lead her to believe they came over under the name McKinnon, I am at a loss as to understand the link.
Cheers
Julie
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Hi Julie
Don't know how she came up with a link other than she has found something somewhere that I'm not privy to. I just find the whole history thing interesting and just love the language used by our forebears and don't get too fazed about not finding the answers.
Cheers
Graham
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Hi, all. Also looking at Colville Armstrong. His daughter Charlotte married into the Campbell family (my brother in law's). I took note of an article in the Port Phillip Gazette from 1844, a Petty Sessions Court appearance where Colville, an apprentice tinsmith, had been struck by his Master, Andrew Paton.
Went to the PROV and had a look at a Police Deposition Book 1844-45 and found the entry. It doesn't say a lot but they found Paton guilty and fined him for "Breach of Articles of Indenture" & "Assault". Fined 10 shillings plus 3/6 for court costs. So the next question is; Is there a register or archive of Apprenticeship Indentures from that far back?
Aaron
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Should add that the above mentioned newspaper article from 1844 also states that he is an orphan.
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Hi Aaron
Yes he was an orphan in 1844. He gets a couple of other mentions in Trove after this. I have found Andrew Paton in the Edinburgh Guild records in the 1830's and have wondered if Colville came here already indentured. There is also a Armstrong link via Canada but it has been a long time.
Cheers
Graham
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Graham;
Well, then we need to know when Andrew Paton came out to Australia and if the passenger list shows he had an apprentice already. I have found him in some early Melbourne Voter rolls and addresses - one in Collins St and later Elizabeth street but these are post 1844.
Your family story still fits the evidence however. If Colville was orphaned because his dad died on arrival he was probably looked after by a church (presbyterian I'm assuming) that then may have organised an apprenticeship for him. Even the earliest orphanages that were set up in Melbourne to deal with such problems didn't start 'till late 1840's and onwards. There don't appear to be any surviving indentures from that early period but they may be hidden in Port Phillip Gov. Papers. This is a very early time period and difficult to find things.
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Another question; I don't have Colville's marriage cert. or any of the other Armstrong boys. Did any of them appear as witnesses to each other's marriage? This would at least confirm that there was more than just Walter Armstrong arriving.