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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: beejaysbaby on Saturday 05 January 08 06:16 GMT (UK)
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I have been unable to confirm the birth of Ann Sheret in 1836 in Montrose. Father William Sheret, Police officer and mother Margaret (nee Dundas). She appears as a 5 year old in the 1841 census along with her mother and brother Andrew.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
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hi
welcome to rootschat :)
nothing on igi for ann but can see
helen sheret born 14th september 1837 baptized 1st october 1837
montrose angus
andrew sheret born 14th march 1839 baptized 31st march 1839
montrose angus
father william sheret mother margaret dundas
1851 census 13 reform st. montrose angus
margaret sheret age 46 stay maker born logie pert angus
ann sheret age 15 mill worker born st cyrus angus
andrew sheret age 12 reed maker's errand boy born montrose
think she married alexander baird 22nd june 1860 montrose angus
yours
ev
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Thanks so much Ev. Yes I have those details re Helen and Andrew's births and also the marriage of William and Margaret. Thanks for the 1851 notes. Thats great.
However although Ann appears on the 1841 and 1851 census there seems to be no birth or christening record for her.
She was my g/grandmother. I guess I'll just have to resign to the fact that her birth may not have been recorded for some reason.
Blessings on ya!
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I see from ev's reply that Ann Sheret was born in St Cyrus. This was in Kincardineshire at that time, but is now part of Aberdeenshire.
You could try asking the question on the Kincardineshire forum, saying that you have tried here first.
I was also born in St Cyrus, and I'm sure I can remember my Father speaking about some Sheret family that lived there in his time. My Father was born in Montrose, and moved to St Cyrus about 1920 or thereabout. We moved to Arbuthnott about 1952 when I was about 4 or 5.
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hi all
jim , are you sure st cyrus is now in aberdeenshire ???
ev
http://www.ukvillages.co.uk/ukvillages.nsf/villages/St%20Cyrus-Kincardineshire?open&body=villagebody&root=villagebody
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Hi
Do you know whether or not the family were Church of Scotland ? If not that would explain why no OPR for the baptisms on Scotland's People. Pre 1855 that's all SP holds. The records for other churches including Free and United Presbyterians are all held by National Archives Scotland but tho digitised not online am afraid.
it is worth contacting NAS to see if they can help
http://www.nas.gov.uk/
Tho odd that two of her siblings appear on Scotland's People.
born 31/03/1839 SHERET ANDREW Parents WILLIAM SHERET& MARGARET DUNDAS Montrose
born 01/10/1837 SHERET HELEN Parents WILLIAM SHERET& MARGARET DUNDAS F Montrose
But it could just be they changed allegiance church wise. There was a lot of upheaval in the Scottish churches around this time with merging and splintering off.
The attached shows what I mean! A real dog's brekkie!
http://website.lineone.net/~davghalgh/churchhistory.html
Best Wishes
Ann
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Thanks for your reply. Ann Sheret married William Baird in the Church of Scotland in 1860 but I have no confirmation that her family were of that church.
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Reply to ev -
Yes, St Cyrus is now Aberdeenshire, as is Banffshire and part of Morayshire.
Kincardinshire as a seperate county ceased to exist at regionalisation sometime in the 1970's, and became Kincardine & Deeside district of Grampian region.
When regionalisation was scrapped, which I think was sometime in the late 1990's, we were left with Aberdeenshire.
See attached Aberdeenshire website-
http://www.aberdeenshire.gov.uk/local/map.asp?x=373161050&y=819192780&scale=400000
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And my humble attempt :O)
The only Ann Sheret born in Scotland (which appears to be recorded), between 1830 and 1836 was on 05 Nov 1833 to Alexander Sheret and Elizabeth Reid (from IGI).
In Montrose - (from Scotlands People - but have no credits).
If the 2 x census records are correct - this can't be your one - but a relative?
Regards, Steve :O)
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Thanks Steve. I have seen that birth entry before but I don't think that Sheret family belongs to mine. There was an Alexander Sheret born 1802 belonging to another branch. I think he is likely the father of this Ann.
Thanks for trying though. I appreciate it.
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hi, your message is quite old now, but I am wondering about Ann Sheret m. Alexander Baird. Do u know if he was born in Montrose or Tannadice about 1824, whose father was Alexander and mother Ann Clark? I am trying to find Alexr. who seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.
thanks.
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Hi Sara and/or Derek
Unfortunately my Alexander Baird's parents were not those you're looking for. They were Alexander Baird b Montrose 1799 and wife Mary Brown b 1811 in Benholm Kincardineshire.
It's rather confusing actually as I also have an Ann Clark on the Ann Sheret family line.Ann Sheret 1836's grandmother was an Ann Clark but I'm sure an unrelated person to yours.
Best of luck - I'm still looking too.
Frustrating but interesting.
Bev :)
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thanks Bev, it gets frustrating doesn't it, i seem to be stuck at 1823 the earliest date i can get back to at the moment.
happy hunting, sarah.
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These data may help ....Ara etc.
ALEXR. BAIRD
banns/married ANN CLARKE on 31 October 1823 in Saint Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland
Transcribed OPR
ALEXANDER BAIRD
Born 21 NOV 1824 Montrose, Angus, Scotland
JOHN BAIRD
Christened: 02 MAY 1830 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
HUGH BAIRD
Born 13 NOV 1832 Montrose, Angus, Scotland
CHARLES BAIRD
Born About 27 NOV 1834 Montrose, Angus, Scotland
1851 Scotland Census
Name: Ann Clark Head Grocer aged c. 48 born in St Cyrus [Widow?]
living at Northesk Road Montrose Angus
with
Margt Baird (Clark) 24 daughter born Tannadice, Forfar Seaman's Wife
John Baird 21 Son born Tannadice Shoemaker
Hugh Baird 18 Son born Montrose Agric. Labourer
Charles Baird 16 son Montroser Scholar
James Baird 14 son Montrose Agric Labourer
William Grice 6 Lodger
Ann Mackie 4 Months Grand-Daughter born Montrose
1841 Scotland Census
Ann Baird age: c. 35 born in Scotland
living in Maryhill, Montrose
with
Ann Baird c. 35
Margaret Baird 14
John Baird 10
Hugh Baird 8
Charles Baird 6
James Baird 4
Jean Baird 15
ANN CLARK (Twin) born 12 Aug 1802
and christened 13 Aug 1802 in Saint Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland
to JOHN CLARK and CHRISTIAN BAIRD
JOHN CLARK and CHRISTIAN BAIRD
Banns on 11 AUG 1785 Arbuthnott, Kincardine, Scotland
Married 25 AUG 1785 Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland
OTHER CHILDREN:
CLARK
Christening on 14 AUG 1786 Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland
MARY CLARK
Christened on 24 OCT 1788 Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland
CLARK
Christening on 14 JUL 1790 Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland
CHRISTIAN CLARK
Christened on 07 DEC 1795 Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland
WILLIAM CLARK
Christenied on 03 MAR 1798 Saint Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland
JEAN CLARK
Christened on 28 MAY 1800 Saint Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland
MARY CLARK twin
Born on 12 AUG 1802
Christened on 13 AUG 1802 Saint Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland
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Thanks Jake for your interest and help - Sara = hope you get this message as it looks as though it's what you need.
Kind regards all
Bev
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Thank you Jake, the 1851 census info. is very helpful. I was searching under Ann Baird and not Clarke for that info, so it puts everything in a different light. I did come across John Clark and Christian Baird on familysearch.org but discounted that because a couple of months ago I found Ann Baird's death cert. and it listed her mother's name as Catherine Beattie. I wonder if Christian and Catherine were interchangeable.
I also found a 1841 census for Catherine Beattie (age 65) on freecen living with a Margaret and Jean Clark at Maryhill. Being a twin is also helpful because Bairdnet and Ken Coull both list a Margaret and Catherine born to Ann and Alexr. The most interesting part is that Margaret's mother is noted as Mary Clark, father Alexr. Baird (scotlandspeople). There was another daughter born called Catherine whose mother is also Mary and father Alexr. Baird. Very strange.
Many thanks for this info. It puts an interesting twist on things. Regards, Sarah
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are you sure st cyrus is now in aberdeenshire ???
Regrettably, yes, but only since about 1995 or thereabouts, the last time 'they' tinkered with the local authority boundaries. 'They' have reorganised local government several times since 1974/5, which is a real PITA, not just for family historians.
For genealogy purposes, you can just ignore the recent changes most of the time. The only time you need to know which modern local authority area a place is in is if you want to find out which council holds burial ground records and in some cases archives.
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Yes, St Cyrus is now Aberdeenshire, as is Banffshire and part of Morayshire.
That's not quite right.
All of the county of Kincardine, all of the county of Aberdeen except the City of Aberdeen, and about a third of the county of Banff are in what is now called Aberdeenshire.
The remaining two thirds of the County of Banff, plus the whole of the county of Moray except the bits of the parishes of Cromdale Inverallan and Advie and Abernethy and Kincardine which were in the traditional county of Moray, now make up Moray.
No part of the traditional county of Moray is in the new Aberdeenshire.
The parishes in the County of Banff which now come under Aberdeenshire are Alvah, Banff, Boyndie, Fordyce, Forglen, Gamrie, Gartly, Glass, Inverkeithny, Marnoch, Ordiquhill and St Fergus.
Those now in Moray are Aberlour, Bellie, Boharm, Botriphnie, Cabrach, Cullen, Deskford, Grange, Inveravon, Keith, Kirkmichael, Mortlach, Rathven and Rothiemay.
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I wonder if Christian and Catherine were interchangeable.
Not as a general rule. This could have been an exceptional case, or more likely a mistake by whoever provided the information or wrote it down.
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thanks, it was wishful thinking. ann baird's death cert. on scotlandspeople did have another death recorded on the same page and that persons maiden name was also "beattie". peter duncan was the registrar and over the years his penmanship was very readable. so, i'm thinking that maybe ann and alexander's children just called their grandmother catherine instead of christian. but a nagging doubt exists in my mind, because of the naming conventions.
Charles son (of Alexr and Ann) had a son called David Beattie Baird and a daughter Elizabeth Milne Baird so I'm thinking that there has to be a beattie and milne in their somewhere. A David Beattie and Jean Milne were married 1771 Kincardine?? I"m bearing in mind that Charles' wife's father name was David.
This is so confusing??
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Cant get on the right page to post new! Anyway looking for David Beattie born 1849
Father David Mother Ann? Montrose family was Henry and Beatties from Montrose High St and Kieths Close. Looking for early censu info on family had Davids census 1851 but lost it.
Any help appreciated.
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It's rather confusing actually as I also have an Ann Clark on the Ann Sheret family line.Ann Sheret 1836's grandmother was an Ann Clark but I'm sure an unrelated person to yours.
Hi Bev.
I believe we have the same lines. I have an Ann Sheret, parents William Sheret and Margaret Dundas?
Ann would be my 1st cousin 5x removed.
I also have Ann's grandparents as James Sheret and Ann Clark.
I descend down from them, through their child James Sheret b.1782 who married a Sarah Fettes.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Jill.
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Hi Jill - it’s such a long time since I posted this can you confirm your message was current as in 2018? Yes we definitely have the same family. Where are you located? Bevin Australia.
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Hi Jill - it’s such a long time since I posted this can you confirm your message was current as in 2018? Yes we definitely have the same family. Where are you located? Bevin Australia.
Hello Bevin.
Thanks for getting back to me. It was a long shot as the post is old, so thank you for replying. :)
I did post this today yes.
I am local to the area. I live near Arbroath in Angus. None of my direct lines emigrated, plenty of branches have though. :)
Jill.
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Thanks Beverley