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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Caithness => Topic started by: longberry on Wednesday 09 January 08 18:50 GMT (UK)
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Andrew was born in 1809 and I understand his parents may have been william Miller and annie bain. They came from the lyth/ Bower area. Can anyone help
frank
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Hi Frank
Long time no speak :)
What sort of info are you looking for on Andrew Miller. I assume he is the mason by occupation who married Margaret McKenzie. There is a lot of info on him (on IGI, census etc). There are also a number of postings on a variety of forums from descendants of this line (Andrew and Margaret).
His parents do look to have been William and Ann Bain.
Regards.
Monica
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Monica
how nice to hear from you. I am looking for andrew's death but more particularly info on his parents. as you know his wife is creating difficulties and is hard to track down
frank
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Frank
These are the refs for Andrew's death:
1884 MILLER ANDREW 74 WICK /CAITHNESS 043/00 0072
Son Murdoch reported his death ~ parents as you thought.
It looks like more people are trying to track down the family, including connections with Margaret Mckenzie:
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.mackenzie/620/mb.ashx - relatively recent post (Aug 07). This chap has at least have a dozen similar posts on a number of other gen. forums trying to trace the same info. Might be worth contacting?
http://forum.caithness.org/archive/index.php/t-22635.html - this lady from Australia looks to be a direct descendant from son Murdoch.
Remind me, what were the issues with Margaret Mckenzie......
Monica
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Frank
I've caught up with myself to do with Margaret McKenzie. We couldn't find much about her before could we. I have found her death:
1908 MILLER MARGARET MCKENZIE 87 WICK /CAITHNESS 043/00 0091
Her parents tie up with the IGI entry we found previously, an actual extract from the OPRs:
MARGARET MACKENZIE Christening: 24 JAN 1819 Assynt, Sutherland, Scotland
Parents: MURDOCH MACKENZIE and CHIRSTY (MCRAE from her DC)
Supporting this date (rather than a 1823 birth year) is her 1841 census entry, by which time she was already married to Andrew Miller and living in Castleton:
Andrew, 30 - Occup. Mason, b. Caithness
Margaret Mackenzie, 20, b. Scotland
Apart from the other potential sister we found (Katherine b. 1829 in Assynt) there has been little more to be found so far.
I'll have another look for what info there is on Andrew's parents.
Monica
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For William Miller and Ann Bain, as background which I am guessing you already have some (but helps to get it into my head ;)):
WILLIAM MILLER Marriages: ANN BAIN Marriage: 23 NOV 1805 Bower, Caithness, Scotland
Their children's births, mostly backed up by the OPRs:
1. Donald Miller Birth: 30 SEP 1806 Lyth, Bower, Caithness, Scotland
2. John Miller Birth: 02 MAY 1808 Lyth, Bower, Caithness, Scotland
3. George Miller Birth: 10 FEB 1809 Lyth, Bower, Caithness, Scotland
4. Andrew Miller Christening: 28 JUL 1809 Wick, Caithness, Scotland
5. Margaret Miller Birth: 17 APR 1811 Lyth, Bower, Caithness, Scotland
6. William Miller Birth: 22 SEP 1812 Lyth, Bower, Caithness, Scotland
7. James Miller: Birth 28 SEP 1814 Bower, Caithness, Scotland
This is the closest I can see on the 1841/51 Censuses for parents William (a farmer according to Andrew's DC) and Ann:
1841
William Miller 63, farmer
Ann Miller 60
Barbara McKenzie 15, FS
Address: Howe, wick
1851
William Miller 72, farmer, b. Bower
Ann Miller 72, b. Dunnet
Address: Ruthers Of Howe, Wick
No sign of a death for William post 1855 so hard to confirm parents' names. Ann Bain's death refs:
1863 MILLER ANNE LAING (mother's maiden name) BAIN 86 WICK LANDWARD /CAITHNESS 043/02 0030
Submitted details on IGI for Anne's parents:
Donald Bain Birth: About 1742 Bowermadden, Bower, Caithness, Scotland
Marriages: Spouse: Margaret Laing 18 JAN 1767 Bower, Caithness, Scotland
With William and Anne's children's naming order, you would think William's father's name would be John, sadly no daughters' names other than Margaret after Anne's mother. There are two possibilities showing on the OPRs:
1 13/03/1780 MILLER WILLIAM JOHN MILLER/ANE CORMACK FR 112 U Bower /CAITHNESS 034/ 0010 0189
2 06/09/1782 MILLER WILLIAM JOHN MILLER/HELLEN BAIN FR 124 U Bower /CAITHNESS 034/ 0010 0201
I'll stop there Frank, let you go through this and see if it connects with what you may have....I just wish Margaret Mckenzie was as straightforward!
Regards.
Monica
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Frank
Have you seen this site by John Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/8471/
It includes details of your Miller and McKenzie lines. It has Margaret McKenzie's mother down as MCLEOD rather MCRAE which shows on Margaret's DC.
Monica
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Monica
Cannot thank you enough for all your help. It has certainly filled in some blanks.
Christy and Murdoch are certainly a bit of an enigma though. Still, time might tell!!
Still struggling with William Miller born Bower cir 1775 also Alexander Harper born Noss, caithness 1740 he was married to Elspeth Farquhar.
So many threads now I am beginning to get a bit mixed up at times. Must be my age
Take care
Frank
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Hi Longberry
William Miller and Ann Bain were my great-great-great grandparents. I am happy to share the information I have.
I am descended through their son Andrew and his wife Margaret, their son Murdoch and his son Andrew and my dad Albert Murdoch.
What would you like to know, I have a lot of birth/marriage death certificate copies.
Suepuma
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Hi Frank
I have William's death certificate for 18 Dec 1862 and it gives his father as Donald Miller, weaver. I know it's the right person as it gives William's wife as Anne Bain. No mother's name was given. Information was given by James, his son.
Cheers
Sue
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my gggrandfather was donald miller his brother was andrew miller christened 28/07/ 1809.
his father was william miller married to annie bain his father was donald miller married tomargaret bainmy details are
donald miller born abt 1748 caithness married margaret bain 24/01/1773 bower caithness
william miller born abt 1778 wick married annie bain 23/11/1805 he died 18/12/1862 howe caithness
she died 26/04/1863 in wick
donald /john/andrew/margaret/william /james
i have all the copies of the births entries
donald daughter ann was my great grandmother
annie bain parents were donald bain and margaret laing both bormn in bower
and married 18/01/1767
hope this helps
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Don
this is great it confirms some of my research and adds quite a bit I didn't know. I'm happy to share any of my research, so if you want details of my side of the family I'm very happy to share, just let me know what you want to know. I would be interested in knowing who your great grndmother married etc.
Best wishes
Sue