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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: KirstyG on Thursday 06 March 08 17:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I have just gained access to a scrapbook of newspaper clippings kept by my Great Grandfather which includes among many articles Notices of Marriages and Deaths of people that he knew or was related to. He came from King Edward and it has mentions of Turriff, Alvah, Fyvie, Monquhitter, New Deer and many other places, including some sons of Aberdeen who went to New Zealand. As it is rather large and delicate it would be a rather cumbersome job to transcribe it all for your inspection, however i shall try and list some of the personal notices.
Most of the contents date from 1894 to 1904, the majority being 1896-1899.
Anyone who wants more information may feel free to ask, but i can make no promises as to what is in there!
The first few transcripts will follow. I would like to give copywrite credit where due but unfortunately there is no hint given as to what publication they are from, although most are the result of a personal advertisement and therefore presumably authored by the families of those mentioned.
Kirsty
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I apologise for the rather haphazard nature of the information, but this is how they are presented in the scrapbook. i shall try and enter them here in roughly chronological order, although there are not always full dates written with them.
December 26th 1896
"At the Fife Arms Hotel, MacDuff, on the 26th Dec., by the Rev. R. Coupar, JOHN ANGUS, storekeeper, Waterloo Station, Aberdeen, to MARY, youngest daughter of ANDREW TULLOCH, Longmanhill."
1898
"At Prospect Hill, Turriff, on the 9th inst., MARY BELLA, youngest daughter of WILLIAM and ANN MATHIESON. Aged 1 year and 7 months - dearly loved and deeply regretted."
"At 5 Rae Street, Turriff, on the 12th inst., infant son of BARBARA and DONALD CRANNA, aged 2 months."
June 18th 1898
"DUNCAN : NICOL. - At the Royal Hotel, Aberdeen, on the 18th instant, by the Rev. Dr Stark, JAMES DUNCAN, farmer, Upper Oldmill, to MAGGIE, youngest daughter of John Nicol, farmer, Netherbrae, Fishie."
July 2nd 1898
"At Chapel Street, Turriff, on the 2d July, MARY ANDERSON, widow of William Anderson, Hill of Ardmiddle, in her 89th year."
July 17th 1898
"DUNCAN - At Crossfields, Turriff, on Sunday, 17th July, MARGARET MURRAY, wife of Harry Duncan, Aged 61 years."
December 1st 1898
"ADAMSON-CHAMBERS. - At 96 Buccleugh Street, Edinburgh, on the 1st Inst., by the Rev. John Alison, D.D., DONALD ADAMSON, to JEANNIE, eldest daughter of the late ANDREW CHAMBERS, Alvah, Banffhire."
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March 22nd 1896
"On 22d March, JAMES STEVENSON, aged 71 years, Superintendent of Police, New Norfolk, Tasmania, eldest son of the late James Stevenson, Shoemaker, Old Aberdeen."
August 11th 1998
"At Limehills, Winton, Southland, New Zealand, after a short illness, on the 11th August, ALEXANDER COWIE, aged 52, eldest son of James Cowie, Easterbo , King Edward"
October 2nd 1898
"At Buffalo, New Zealand, on the 2d inst., of typhoid fever, GEORGE, youngest son of JAMES DUNCAN, Church Street, Turriff."
November 1898
"At Mill of Crichie, Fyvie, on the 1st inst., ALEXANDER HAY, miller, aged 77 years."
"At Slacadale, Turriff, the residence of her mother, on the 9th inst., AGNES ISABELLA CHAPMAN, wife of WILLIAM HOWLIE GORDON, Broomhills, Fraserburgh, and fourth daughter of the late John Chapman, Bonnytownhill, New Aberdour - deeply regretted. Funeral on Monday, the 14th inst., leaving Slacadale at 11A.M., to Pitsligo Churchyard. Friends accept this the only intimation and invitation."
"At No. 4 Reidhaven Street, Banff. on the 12th inst., ISABELLA MARGARET GLENNIE, widow of GEORGE SUTHERLAND, Mains of Blackton, King Edward, aged 82 years."
"At Broomhill, King Edward, on the 23d inst., ISABELLA ROY, the wife of GEORGE HENDERSON, aged 70 years."
December 1898
"COOKE- DAWSON.- At 14 Fountainhall Road, Edinburgh, on the 1st inst., by the Rev. J. S. Bowie, of West Port Free Church, ANDREW COOKE, to KATE, second daughter of the late James Dawson, Draper, Turiff."
"At Kerr's Hall, New Mand, on 10th Dec., by the Rev. W. Adams, New Deer, WILLIAM ELLIS, Hill of Cotburn, Monquhitter to JESSIE, youngest daughter of JOHN NORRIE, Montlettie, Methlick."
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Hi Kirsty,
If you come across any Mutch or Crighton references, possibly from around New Deer, I'd be grateful if you could let me know.
I also see that you have Irvine in your list of names. Where are they from? My Irvine's are mostly from round Brechin / Montrose area, but some went to Australia.
Cheers
Jim
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Hi Jim,
I'll have a look. I'm a bit busy this weekend so it might be a couple of days until i get back to you on this.
I haven't had much time to look at the Irvine line, i'm only just getting started!
Kirsty
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Sorry Jim,
No sign of Mutch or Crighton that I can find.
Other than the entries I have already posted, much of the scrapbook is taken up with articles from ("The Aberdeenshire Journal" ? or) " The Banffshire Journal"? the articles being written by James Lawrence, a King Edward loon himself laterly residing in Newcastle upon Tyne, who writes about many places and characters he remembers from his youth and his visits home.
If anyone is researching families in this area there are lists of siblings that attended the school together in the 1860-70s (from the memories of those they attended with), reminicances of old characters from the area, and some information as to where people went as they grew older, and in some cases where they are buried.
Families include: LUMSDEN, SCORGIES, ELLIS, COWIE, LAWRENCE, SIM, MACDONALD, STEWART, KEITH, FORBES, SHACKLETON, PATTERSON, KIDD, FYVIE, DUFF, WILSON, SMART, HENDERSON, HAY, KESSACK, CRUIKSHANK, RUNCIMAN, MILNE, CAMPBELL, DALY, MCRAE, DUNCAN (several families). There are many other names mentioned in passing, too many to list, mostly from Turriff or King Edward.
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Thanks for looking Kirsty.
Bit of a long shot in any case.
Cheers
Jim
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Hi Kirsty,
Thanks for your kind offer. I noticed that you listed Henderson...I'd be interested in any Hendersons of King Edward and Fyvie that you might have come across...I have a few born there earlier than your time scale but who would still have been around later on in the area. If there are too many Hendersons to list then the ones that I would be most interested in would be James, Isabel, Peter, Euan and Frederick Henderson.
Thanks
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
I do have mention of a few Hendersons of King Edward.
As posted above:
November 1898
"At Broomhill, King Edward, on the 23d inst., ISABELLA ROY, the wife of GEORGE HENDERSON, aged 70 years."
Also
"Silver Wedding
At Mains of Byth, King Edward, in November 1873, by the Rev, John Falconer, New Byth, WILLIAM WEBSTER, sawmiller, Meldrum House, to ANNIE, fourth daughter of ALEXANDER HENDERSON, farmer, Mains of Byth. Present address, 11 Young Street, Aberdeen."
An ANDREW HENDERSON is mentioned in an Article on "The New Churchyard, King Edward" under a section on New Byth, but no dates are given, although I think it would be from around 1850 ( give or take a decade or two) given the context, the next article contains a correction which throws reference points into confusion!
"The Hendersons, Brownhill" are mentioned in a list of families well remembered by my great grandfather in a letter to the author of the article (James Lawrence).
JOHN HENDERSON is given as the reciter of the "Broken Bowl" in a correction to a previous article which unfortunately I don't have.
That seems to be all I have on the Hendersons. Hope some of it is helpful.
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty,
Thank you very much for looking...I don't recognise the names but some of them might tie in with my family somehow so I'll keep a note of them just in case :) They may well do once I've done further research.
Thanks
Elaine
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Hi
Any Cowie entries in the area would be appreciated. thanks
Jane
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Hi Jane,
There are a couple of references to the name COWIE in my scrapbook.
August 11th 1898
"At Limehills, Winton, Southland, New Zealand, after a short illness, on the 11th August, ALEXANDER COWIE, aged 52, eldest son of James Cowie, Easterbo , King Edward"
In an article "Honour to Teachers. Mr James Elphinstine, King Edward" there is a reference to "a distinguished graduate of their own University, Dr Cowie, now practicing in London" (presumably University of Aberdeen) when listing the Inspectors of Schools by which Mr Elphinstone had been visited during his 36 years of teaching. Given the context I believe this would have been at "the school of Fintry", prior to his moving to King Edward in 1900.
Another article "Selections from Correspondence" tells of family and friends
"I referred to the Ellis family, and have received several inquiries regarding them. Unconsciously, a sister, Jessie, who lives in Turriff, has come to my aid, so will inquirers please note. She writes- "My father is still alive and lives with JOHN COWIE, late of Kinminity, on a dairy farm near Udny station..."
..."Of the COWIES, Sandy is in the farm, John is in Edinburgh, George is a traveller in Aberdeen, Willie is a chemist in London, and Peter, also a chemist, died some years ago."
and another " In the Cotburn District"
"Kinminity, a fine farm, lay a little towards Cotburn from the Turriff Road. Mr Peter COWIE was farmer then, a douce, decent sample of an upland farmer. With some of his family I was at school. There were Alexander, Johnnie, Peter, and, I think, Jamie, with others whose names have slipped me. John I last saw in Aberdeen in 1888, when ????? ???? we 'raked' the emb???? for an hour we ??? the embers of school life ploys. Several times I have been told that a certain famous actress hails from Kinminity. Will any reader give confirmatory information?"
(There are some words only partly visible at the bottom and top of the columns where they were cut out of the paper)
I hope this is of some help.
Kirsty
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Thanks for that Kirsty,
What a treasure trove of info.
not sure if will help, but very interesting just the same.
thanks again
jane
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Hello Kirsty,
In your note of 10 March, you mention Scorgie - can you tell me what information you might have about them please. Also - anything on Kelman or Sangster - or Lawrence? They would have been from the Gamrie and Turriff areas.
Thanks
David
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Hi David
I don't have much time today to spend going throught the book so i will try and find time as soon as i can this week. Briefly though, I can tell you that James Lawrence was the author of a good many articles in the "Banffshire Journal" or "Banffy"as it was known during the 1920s. He grew up in the area of the north which was at one time Bannfshire and another Aberdeenshire ( I believe the boundaies were changed in the 1890s). In adulthood he moved south to reside in Newcastle upon Tyne. There may be refences in some articles to more information about his family, i will have a look.
There are refences to 2 brothers - "Captain Lawrence of the Queen's Surreys, who fell in France", and "another brother, one time Instructor at Keith, the first served well over 20 years in the gordons, seeing much service in India, Africa and elsewhere. The other, Peter, retired as sergeant some twenty years ago, and is now in Aberdeen. He was stationed at, I think, Keith, Aberchirder, and Kildrummy, as a volunteer instructor."
Under "Selections from Correspondence" a letter by Jessie ?? is quoted.
"Of the Scorgies she writes - " The mother and daughter Jane died at Cotburn, Isa lives in Turriff and Sally at Mountblairy, while George ( he of the hard hands) carries on the little farm."
"In the Cotburn District" is another mention, but i'm afraid i shall have to leave that for later.
Kirsty
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Hi again David,
"In the Cotburn District" After reminiscing about the Ellis family he goes on:
"Scorgie's "plaicie" was - and is- nearby. There were Jane, and Sally, and Geordie, near to my own age, with others I did not know. Geordie was a big strong boy, and we smaller fellows envied him his great hard hands when it came to a matter of "pandies" from the schoolmaster. I called and saw him some years ago, and he was just the same hearty chap."
James Lawrence lived at 387 Shields Road, Newcastle-on-Tyne.
There is also a mention of "the Lawrences of Scatterty" in a list of people remembered from School days (1870-80s).
I have not found any refence to Kelman or Sangster, but if i come across anything i will post it here. (Having just looked at the IGI I am guessing that Geordie was the son of a Kelman and a Scorgie - so in effect I have although she was not mentioned by name :))
Kirsty
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Thanks very much Kirsty. According to my records James Scorgie and Isobel Sangster (who died Hill of Cotburn in 1873) had at least one son called Alexander (b Gamrie 1820) who married Isabella Kelman in 1843. They had
quite a few kids - one of whom was called George (b 1863 - also one born 1869) and another called Jane (b 1866). These might be the ones you mention. Isa might be either the Isabella Kelman (or even Isobel Sangster) mentioned above or her daughter Isabella (b 1854). Geordie I suppose is George. I don't have any mention of a Sally.
Another of their sons was Alexander Scorgie (b 1848 in Easter Bonnyton) - he moved down to St Vigeans, married Anne Smith and had my paternal grandmother!
Anyway - thanks for your help - I know what it's like to come across these old clippings and things. Two of my great grandfather's brothers (Raitt) emigrated to the USA in the mid-1850s and I recently came across my American cousins and they sent me some newspaper clippings and a journal one of them wrote about the arrival in the new land!
Regards
David
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Hi, I am fascinated by your posts. The James Lawrence you mention is my greatuncle, one of my grandfather's older brothers. I have the book, Schoolmasters of Banffshire, sitting on my bookshelf. This afternoon I googled "Lawrence family Aberdeenshire" while having a coffee, and stumbled upon your posts. My granda was born in Upper Cotburn, and his older brother in Scattery. I would be most interested in chatting with you.
Barbara Lawrence
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Hi Barbara, welcome to rootschat :)
It's so nice to find someone who has a real connection to the people in this scrapbook. I know it has really helped me to get a better picture of what my family were like from the brief descriptions made by James Lawrence. I would be very glad to get the chance to chat to you sometime. When you have made 3 posts you will be able to use the PM service and we could exchange emails if you wish, or just post on the boards. Maybe other people with links would find the posts like you did?
Kirsty
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Good to hear from you! I think I would prefer to email rather than post. Like you I would like to get a clearer picture of life for my greats. Not always easy when you live in Canada... Does this count as a second post?
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Yes it does!
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kirsty
just came across your post and wondered if you have any mention of lochiels in your book.
i know family lived at 95 chapel st turriff at one point
this is just a long shot,but if you have any any info would be appreciated
norrie
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Hi Norrie
I'll have a wee look when I get time and let you know. It can take a while to get through all the articles.
Kirsty
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Hi Norrie
Sorry it took so long for me to reply. I've been through all the book now and nothing found I'm afraid.
Kirsty
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There are also a couple of articles on the Rev. George Rainy Kennedy of Dornoch, written as obituaries (1899). If anyone is interested in them I could transcribe them. There is also a sketch of the reverend whcih could be scanned.
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Hi
You mentioned thr name Milne in your list of names. Can you tell me more as I am researching Milne.
Regards
Gemma
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Hi Gemma, sorry it took so long to get back to you.
I have come across a couple of mentions of Milne's but they can be somewhat vague. I will put them in context where I can.
From an article entitled "At New Byth"
James Lawrence states that Stackhill o' Byth was the place of his nativity and goes on
"Several Years ago I called at the cottage door, and was well received by the then tenants, a Mrs Milne frae the Howe o' Byth. She gave me a "curly cake" (but with no "carveys" in it like the promised Leith ones) with butter well laid on. I then photographed the auld place. Puir Sowl, she garred the tears rin fan she took frae a boxie a number o' my ain letters an' verses she had cuttit frae some papers"
From "The Ace of Spades"
"My own memories of faces and names are limited, but have been supplemented by "refreshers" from my mother, who goes back eighty years. "Jamie Meldrum and his wife Katie Wildgoose are made to live anew, through anecdote and "ploy," while the little shop of "Jamie" Milne "pronounced "Mull"), is again the venue of many a pleasant moment."
"Centenarians are not sand thick even in Buchan, but they are not altogether novelties, and I have a notion that Auld Betty Milne of Byth reached the goal. Given the sanitation of cities, together with the fresh air from Pisgah and the Auchry Woods, a couple of hundred would soon become teh recognised "reaching." "Carrier" Mackie looms up chatty and Jocund as ever. Some of the "greyheads" who read these lines may recall "Geordie" Milne, popularly, and maybe affectionately, known as the "Professor." He was a "crack," at once entertaining and helpful, although not always a stickler for veracity. Then there was another Milne, one who did carting jobs, using, at one period, a Stallion."
"There was the Walker family and more "Mulls" towards the Stackhull, and a "rickle" of stones and dry clay mark where once dwelt Weedow Murdoch, an old lady dear to me."
From "The New Churchyard King Edward"
From a list of children remembered from Schooldays by my Great grandfather
"Then at the schoolhouse itself were Nellie, John, and Tom Milne."
"As a closing word to-day let me set on record my deep regret at the absence somewhere near by the scene of his labours, of a visible appreciation of the altogether incalculable services rendered by that doyen of dominies, Dr John Milne. I know not where he is buried, but do know that he lives in hundreds of minds to-day in all parts of the world. Surely if ever teacher deserved posthumous honouring it was this great patient scholar."
This article was answered by a letter "From Chicago", written by Charles Meldrum which was duly published. The relevant section I have transribed.
"You enquire regarding the burial place of Dr John Milne. I can give you information on that point. Last year while in Scotland I had occasion to visit Springbank Cemetery, Aberdeen, and almost the first tombstone I saw was one erected to "the memory of Dr John Milne, late schoolmaster of King-Edward," &c. "
The letter also entions a visit during the summer of 1921 (which we gather to have been over a year previously), which should give an indication of the era in which these articles were written.
From "Selections from Correspondance"
"In my postscript last week I mentioned receipt of a few photographs. They came from Mr Duncan, of the Temperance Hotel, Crieff....
...Half-a-dozen smaller photos show his family and friends, including Miss Mary Milne of King Edward whos mother I knew well."
I will read further when I have time and see if there are any other mentions of Milnes and let you know if I find anything of interest.
Hope this helps
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty
I was wondering if you had any mention of Mathieson or Watt or Duncan in your clippings or reminisences. My mothers family came from Bridge street New Byth and Chapel street Turriff and also Rothiemay in Banff, maybe a long shot but thought i would give it a try.
Karen
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Hi Karen
I definitely have information on Duncans as that is the line I am researching, the scrapbook was compiled by a Duncan! There are several Duncan families in the book, do you have any names in particular in which you are interested?
There was a Mathieson entry which I have already posted, and I seem to remember one mention of a Watt. I am not at home just now but will check for you when I get back and see if there is anything more.
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty
I have Duncans on my mothers paternal and maternal side so i will try to give you a potted version......
Paternal side
John Mathieson of mill of Boyndie parish of Boyndie married on 12/5/1816 Ann Duncan daughter of James Duncan in Cairns of Gight Rothiemay I have the OPR record,
they had four children the youngest being John Mathieson(16/4/1826-11/5/1915) he married Jessie Ann Smith(1823-27/9/1868)on 5/2/1848 in Gamrie Banff her parents were Walter Smith and Janet Duncan (no DOB).
John and Jessie had nine children all born at Ramsburn in Rothiemay, the second youngest being my grandfather William (29/7/1862-30/12/1943).
Maternal side
James Duncan (1819) married Mary Chrichton (1827) on 7/12/1848 in Auchterless
they had four children Jane 1849, James 1856, Elizabeth 1865 and Jessie 1869
James (farmer of 40 acres and blacksmith of blacksmiths house Bog Tamma) married Barbera Connon (1854) they had four children James Connon (1870), James Duncan (1872), Mary (1880) and Elspet (1991).
Jane Duncan (1849-7/3/1933) married James Watt (22/3/1845-23/1/1937) on 25/8/1877 in Auchterless, they had seven children, the second youngest being my grandmother Margaret (23/6/1889-15/11/1959)
William aged 65 a shepherd and Margaret aged 37 a housekeeper married on 14/7/1928 in Bridge street New Byth
My mother Margaret (9/1/1925-8/3/2005) was born at Bridge street.
I hope not too long and convoluted and keeping fingers crossed there may be a connection, the Mathieson entry from your earlier posting i didn't recognize but have kept a note ...just in case!
Thankyou for replying so quickly will wait patiently for maybe a next installment.
Karen
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Hi Karen,
There are a few scant references to various people, usually not enough to identify them from that alone eg The late Mr Duncan an official with whom the teacher at King Edward Mr Elphinstone had to deal... he had counted the late Mr Duncan amongst his warmest friends (this was written in 1922 on the teacher's retirement).
There are many paragraphs relating to Mr Patrick Duncan of Balchers. If this is one of yours I can try and transcribe it later, but if I don't need to just now it would make life easier. It is mostly in the form of recollections of occasions rather than facts, names and dates.
John Duncan of Fortrie passed away 1st November 1894, at the age of 78.
Mrs Duncan of Fortrie is still alive but very frail (in the 1920s ?)
William Duncan of Auchinbadie died on the 27th March 1894 aged 54/64 (it's at the bottom of the page and i can't read it all - i think it's 54)
Shoemakers list includes Duncan, Gorrachie ( my line)
In an excerpt from a letter, the author of which asked to be left anonymous he states:
"He was educated at Alvah School, his first teacher being Mr James Duncan."
"Nellie Duncan" of Crossfields who lived on the road from Cotburn to Turriff and had a horsie and a cow and ran a house shop. "She died about '81" (1881) Her son was "Geordie".
In relation to the Moss o' Byth in the 1840s and 50s: living on the "Back Strath" was a William Duncan, but due to the number of members of the Carsie family living there it was better known as "Carsie Brae".
March 31st 1894 The late Mr William Mathewson (Obituary type article) senior partner of Messrs James Mathewson and Son, Linen Manufacturers, Bothwell Works, Dumfermline.
chief mourners were: various family members ....and K. Mathieson jr.
No sign of any Watts I'm afraid. The reference i remembered was "Wattie".
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty,
Thankyou for looking, I don't recognise any of the names in your post but it has given me more avenues to research. If perchance you find any refrences in the future to any of the names in my post please let me know as I have scant information apart from the usual BMD's. Sadly my mother had very little contact with her family from her teenage years and very rarely spoke about them, I think this is why I have got into research in a big way, I don't want to leave my children that legacy.
I think your postings are very eloquent and I for one am glad you decided to publish them on here.
Thankyou again
Karen
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I have the book, Schoolmasters of Banffshire, sitting on my bookshelf.
Barbara Lawrence
Hello Barbara...above is an excerpt of a reply you did on the above subject back in May of last year. I have an 1806 OPR marriage from Aberdeen. James Donald, Schoolmaster in Abd is marrying Charlotte McKinzie. The entry mentions she is the D (daughter) of the Dec'd (deceased) late John McKinzie, Schoolmaster in Parish of Alva.
If it is not too much trouble, can I please ask you to look up this John McKinzie in your book and tell me what you can about him? Thank you for any help you can provide.
Best wishes, Another Barbara - from Georgia, USA
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I checked the chapter on Alvah in " Schools and Schoolmasters of Banffshire". Unfortunately for your purposes (prior to 1806), the first headmaster named is a Mr. Charles Begrie, who was headmaster for some years at the start of the 19th century. The author states that education in Alvah is not mentioned in the Statistical Account. Also in the section on Alvah is a brief section on Dunlugas and Linhead, both of which have mention of some lady teachers, but not of the name you are looking for. In the section on Forglen, a schoolmaster named Mr. M'Killigan in 1785 is mentioned. No similar names in Marnoch. Have you come across any other part of Banffshire in any of your documents?
Names in Alvah include: Ruddiman, Chapman, Andrew Todd, Allan Rennie Andrew, Andrew , Mr. Alex Stuart Wilson, Rev James Duncan, Mr. Robert Hepburn, George Pirie, Mr. John Kidd
I will have a look in the Gamrie chapter and see if I can come up with anything about your ancestor.
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I checked the chapter on Alvah in " Schools and Schoolmasters of Banffshire". Have you come across any other part of Banffshire in any of your documents?
Barbara, Thank you so much for going to the trouble to check on James McKenzie for me. No, I have not come across any other documents pointing to Banffshire. The couple I mentioned were married in St Nicholas, ABD with mention Charlotte McKenzie was the dau of James McKenzie, the Alva "schoolmaster". Charlotte married James Donald, also a schoolmaster, who eventually went to St Andrews, Elgin (Moray). James and Charlotte were my ggggrandparents and this is as far back as I go on them. I have Charlotte's will but only their children and a relative of James D is mentioned. Charlotte and James' dau Mgt ,my gggrandmother, married in Kintore, ABD.
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Have you come across any other part of Banffshire in any of your documents?
My 2nd reply. I should have added the following just in case it helps. I have not connected by proof but the data fits.
A Charlotte MacKenzie was baptized 03 Jul 1785 Muiryhill Alvah Banff to James MacKenzie and Margaret MacIntosh. No mention of James' occupation. The IGI shows Margaret MacIntosh married to James McKenzie 08 Apr 1784 in Kirktown of Alvah, Banff. So..there was a James McKenzie in Alvah Banff, just not known if he is "mine" or not. Thanks again.
-Barbara
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Hi all,
I have recently started doing my family tree and have come across two of my ancestors (HUSBAND and WIFE) Dieing on the same day. The date of there deaths was the 9th DEC 1898 but is unclear where there death took place. I know that they were born in Aberdeenshire and don't have any evidence to say that they left Aberdeen. There Names are Alexander Garioch and Anne Garioch, Maiden Name ( Towns). If anyone knows of any newspaper articles dating around the day of there death to do with them it would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Bruce, welcome to rootschat :)
I'm afraid I don't seem to have anything on your Gariochs in my newspaper cuttings.
Have you seen their death certificates? If you are having trouble and would like help it might be worth starting your own thread.
Kirsty
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Hello Kirsty,
Any chance you have come across the surname KEMP in your material ?
Regards
Gordon
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Hi Gordon,
I'm sorry, I haven't noticed that name in the Aberdeenshire articles.
Kirsty
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Hi David,
I have been trying to gather information on the Scrogie side. With some search I have found the conversation you had in July 2008 and hope you are able to still help. Please see your conversation below.
The information I currently have is Helen Jean Scrogie (1878) Aberdeen, Scotland. Helen Immigrated to Canada in the 1900’s (do not have exact year) and settled in Winnipeg, Manitoba (I am sill looking for her immigration papers). Through stories I was told Helen had a sister that also immigrated to Canada, settling in to Alberta, Canada. I was able to find an Elizabeth Scrogie’s Immigration papers into Canada.
Elisabeth Scrogie arrived on 17 Nov 1924. I was able to confirm this to be a sister as she used Helen Jean Scrogie’s married name and home address on arrival. The immigration papers also reference a sister Alice Scrogie.
Through Census I was able to narrow the family down to:
Father: Alexander Scogie (abt 1847) Believed to be born in Turriff, Aberdeen.
Mother: Ann Scrogie (abt 1847), Believed to be born in Kirkden, Forfar
Elizabeth Scrogie
Isabella Scrogie
Marianne Scrogie
Helen Scrogie (1878)
Alice Scrogie
Any information you have to confirm and add to my research would be appreciated.
Many Thanks
W
Thanks very much Kirsty. According to my records James Scorgie and Isobel Sangster (who died Hill of Cotburn in 1873) had at least one son called Alexander (b Gamrie 1820) who married Isabella Kelman in 1843. They had
quite a few kids - one of whom was called George (b 1863 - also one born 1869) and another called Jane (b 1866). These might be the ones you mention. Isa might be either the Isabella Kelman (or even Isobel Sangster) mentioned above or her daughter Isabella (b 1854). Geordie I suppose is George. I don't have any mention of a Sally.
Another of their sons was Alexander Scorgie (b 1848 in Easter Bonnyton) - he moved down to St Vigeans, married Anne Smith and had my paternal grandmother!
Anyway - thanks for your help - I know what it's like to come across these old clippings and things. Two of my great grandfather's brothers (Raitt) emigrated to the USA in the mid-1850s and I recently came across my American cousins and they sent me some newspaper clippings and a journal one of them wrote about the arrival in the new land!
Regards
David
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Charlotte married James Donald, also a schoolmaster, who eventually went to St Andrews, Elgin (Moray). James and Charlotte were my ggggrandparents and this is as far back as I go on them.
Hi Barbara,
I have a Rev. James Donald who seems very similar to your Rev. James Donald, but the dates don't match up. I do wonder if he could be related, though.
Rev. James Donald was baptised 07 06 1801 at [Mill of] Whitehaugh, Chapel of Garioch, son of William Donald and Agnes Norval. He graduated with a Master of Arts from Marischal College, Aberdeen, in 1819. William Donald is present in Chapel of Garioch in the 1841 census, while James Donald is listed in Cluny as a "preacher". James may have died in 1864 in Fintray.
Furthermore, there is a James Donald listed in the 1799 tax returns in Mill of Whitehaugh, who is presumably some relation to him.
Entering the priesthood is relatively rare - out of 100-or-so Donald families I'm following in the area, only four contain members of the clergy. It was also not uncommon for their male relations to follow in their footsteps. I can offer no proof at this stage, but I would not be at all surprised if this family turns out to be connected to your own.
- Iain.
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Stumbled across this old post and wondered if Kirsty was still active on here.
I'm very interested in learning if there any mentions of the Duncans in your clippings.
My family worked at the Hatton Estates, Turriff for many, many years, as Gamekeeper, general labourers and domestic servants.
They were all from King Edward(early gens) or born on the Estate.
Alexander (4 generations of), Isabella, George, John.
thanks
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I am still around, albeit intermittently!
There are lots of mentions of Duncans in the clippings, more than one family. The Duncans of Balchers feature notably as they were hosts for various local events. The newpaper clippings were taken by a member of one of the Duncan families of King Edward/Turriff.
Much of the info I have has already been posted in this thread but I will try and see if there is anything else of interest in the scrapbook. I have been attempting to scan the pages as the original is in a somewhat frail condition now but with mixed results.
Kirsty
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Hi Kirsty - I was wondering if you have any information on the Sim and Hay families in the newspaper articles. I am looking for a George Sim (born around 1877 and married Margaret Hay. George's parents were Charles Sim and Mary Chrighton, they were married at New Deer on December 15, 1866.
Thank you!
Joanne
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Hello Kristy,
Appreciate i am extremely late to the conversation (A decade at least!), but i came across this forum whilst researching my family tree.
I can see a reference to my great x 2 grandfather James Ellis who lived on the hill of cotburn with his wife, Jessie (Formally Webster) and children, Duff, Bartlett, Alexander, George, Jessie, Mary, William and James around the time of your newspaper clippings.
I believe in later life he lived with the Cowie family in Udny and died there at the grand old age of 86 in 1928.
Do you have any references to the Ellis family in the book?
Many thnaks,
John Ellis
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I'm afraid I no longer have access to the newspaper clippings, I had transcribed and posted a lot of what I had so searching this post/ this site should find anything I did have.
The local history centre in Elgin is an amazing resource and does have most of these papers in their archives. http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
Good luck with your searches.
Kirsty
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Hello Kristy,
Appreciate i am extremely late to the conversation (A decade at least!), but i came across this forum whilst researching my family tree.
I can see a reference to my great x 2 grandfather James Ellis who lived on the hill of cotburn with his wife, Jessie (Formally Webster) and children, Duff, Bartlett, Alexander, George, Jessie, Mary, William and James around the time of your newspaper clippings.
I believe in later life he lived with the Cowie family in Udny and died there at the grand old age of 86 in 1928.
Do you have any references to the Ellis family in the book?
Many thnaks,
John Ellis
Welcome to Rootschat. Here are some things I have just culled from the papers.
The People's Journal 31-5-1884:
At Station Hospital, Cairo, on the 5th inst., of
enteric fever, Private DUFF ELLIS, 1st B. Gordon
Highlanders, son of James Ellis, Cotburn Cottage,
Turrif, aged 21 years (New Zealand papers please
copy).
The Buchan Observer 29-4-1902:
Messrs Ellis
have sold their crofts at Hill of Cotburn to Mr
John Grant, Backhill of Seggat, Auchterless, and
have taken a lease of Cairnhill, in succession to
Mr Andrew Davidson, who goes to occupy the
desirable farms of Mains of Balmaud and White-
field, in an adjoining parish.
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Thank you for the reply.
Whilst researching, i came across this article in the British Newspaper Archive from 1912 that is quite interesting.
It was written by James Lawrence and called "Rambles in the north" published in the Banffshire reporter (I would presume a small local newspaper)
He is reminiscing about his childhood and walking through the Hill of Cotburn recalling come of the families that lived there.
There are mentions of the Ellis, Scorgies, Donalds, Duncans, Emslies, Hutchensons, Grevie, Mcgowan, Beenie, French, Morrison families to name a few.
Thanks,
John