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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: Pete Dunn on Friday 07 March 08 06:47 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find out details of my great grandfather William Costello born in 1844.
He married my great grandmother in New Zealand in 1877 after emigrating from Ireland (possibly via Australia).
His marriage and death records show that he was born in Knocknamalough, O'Dorney, County Kerry.
I visited the County in 1994 and visited the Costello family. I met his great nephew Eugene who was in his nineties at the time and told me that william was one of three brothers who left the area.
I am not sure of the date he left.
If anybody could provide me with information or could point me towards a resource where I could undertake further searches, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Peter
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If you haven't already done so the church records would probably give more details on the family. You can check LDS catalogue (www.familysearch.org) to see if they have copies of the church records. If so, you can order the microfilm from your local LDS library for a small fee to view there.
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Peter,
I have just come across your message today. My great grandmother was Catherine Costello, who married John Nolan, both of whom came from Knocknamalough - in fact they lived only about a quarter of a mile apart - married in New Zealand in 1865.
My name is Frank Nolan and I currently live in London. I have been following this Nolan Costello family for about 25 years. I do not think that I have any photographs of Costellos, apart from my great grandmother. One of my father's cousins is still alive aged 92 and I have got a lot of information from her, but I do not think that she knew your grandparents family. However she knew Annie Stack and the family of Edmond Costello - see below.
Catherine was daughter of Maurice Costello and Jane Day and was baptised at Abbeydorney Parish on March 26 1842. I visited the church last Easter and saw a copy of the baptism. There were also baptisms for a sister Mary - March 18 1836, Thomas March 12 1838, and Maurice November 3 1839. I did not find any further baptisms, but it was very difficult to read some of the old writing.
There was also a brother of Maurice Costello (husband of Jane Day) - Edmond married to Mary Devine, and I found two daughters baptised Honora 1836 and Mary 1843.
I was aware of several of Catherine Costello's siblings migrating to New Zealand. Jane Costello, married Hubert Ferguson on August 5 1865 - he was a prison warden and later an Inspector of Factories - lived in many places in new Zealand - Dunedin, Wellington, Auckland; Edmond Costello, married Kate Fahey March 24 1888 - first lived around Hampden, but mainly around Gore and died in Dunedin - Edmond - listed generally as a contractor. There may also be two nieces in New Zealand - one definitely - Annie Stack, who was the daughter of Elizabeth Costello - sister of Catherine, Maurice, Edmond and Jane - and Jerold Stack. Annie married Robert Gibb who farmed on the Taieri - she later lived in Dunedin. There was also another Catherine Costello daughter of Thomas Costello - perhaps another brother of the above - and Nora Cavanagh - who married Alexander Hoffman of Gore.
And then there is your great grandfather William Costello who married Bridget Flynn (or Glynn) at St Mary's Invercargil on November 1 1877. I have first found William on the electoral rolls in 1879 with a free hold section in East Gore, then in 1882 as a hotel keeper in Gore, 1883/84 at the Commercial Hotel in Gore, then 1885/86 at the Universal Hotel in Gore. By 1896 he is a farmer in Cheviot - it is a little confusing here as there are other Costellos in Cheviot as well. By 1908 they are settled in Rotorua, with William dying at Te Pu on July 8 1918 and Bridget on November 12 1914.
I have had some difficulty tracing their children, but what I have is something like: Jane Costello born Gore March 22 1879, Patrick John Costello born Gore December 25 1880 died France May 11 1917, Bridget Ann Costello born Gore August 1 1884, Maurice Costello born Gore October 8 1885 died Wairoa March 16 1936 - a horse trainer - married Annie? 1908, William Andrew Costello born Gore April 11 1889 died Gore December 9 1889, Thomas Stephen Costello born Gore December 26 1890, Mary Ann Costello born Gore June 6 1892, Margaret Catherine Ellen Costello born Gore October 12 1893 [I have baptism records for all of these except Patrick - Edward Costello is godfather for Jane, Annie Stack is godmother for Bridget, and Catherine Nolan likewise for the last - so links are there]. I think that there may have been two other children born in Cheviot, but with other Costellos, I have not looked further - perhaps Elizabeth May and William Joseph?? - this matches up with the number of children on William's death certificate. I was also aware that Jane may have married Thomas Dunn - which is where Peter Dunn must come from??
When I visited Kilgulbin last year I visited both the Nolan and Costello families - Eugene had died in 2002, but his youngest some Maurice is now on the farm. They were about to demolish the old house and build a new one next to it.
I have the Census records from Kilgulbin in 1901 and 1911. Eugene's grandfather was Denis Costello who was born about 1836 - again could not find the baptism for a Denis, BUT I am presuming that he is another brother of Catherine, Jane, Maurice, William who all migrated to New Zealand. They had children Daniel, Kate, Annie,... Eugene's father was Daniel, married to Kate, with children Kate, Denis, Madge, Jane, Christina, and Eugene (in 1911). The grandfather Denis was still alive in 1911.
There is still quite a bit on the land that the Costello's had from the Valuation rolls. The County Kerry Archive has a 1835 Tithe Appointment Book with Knocknamallough: tenants Maurice and Edmond Costello: acreage 81 acres, 2 roods and 24 perches. In the Griffith Valuation in 1853 Maurice Costello had land in Kilgulbin East - section 5A and B 42 acres, plus section 6B - house of 1 acre, while Edmond had section 6A - 38 acres - these add to about the 81 acres above.
Hope that this is helpful and you can fill in some of the gaps.
Regards,
Frank Nolan
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Hi Frank,
Wow that is fantastic and fills in so many gaps.
It is indeed the same family.
My Grandmother (who died in 1957 - before I was born) was Jane (or Jennie). She married Thomas Dunn from Tanfield in Durham at Waiouru, New Zealand on 1 July 1908.
They had three children - including my father who was born in 1921 in Te Pu in Rotorua.
I have access to records on the other Costello siblings but will need to pull them out. On Monday this week my father's 2nd cousin (who was Bridget Costello's daughter) had her 80th birthday so I was able to share this with her.
My wife and I visited Ireland in 1994 and went to County Kerry. We met Eugene and the rest of the family. He was able to remember stories of the three brothers going to NZ. His recollection was that they went to Australia first gold prospecting.
I have some photographs of Jane Costello which I can send through.
My email address *** If you would send through an email I can scan some photos for you plus attach a copy of the records I have.
Thanks enormously.
Pete
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Peter,
Thank you for the response the other week. Unfortunately this web site will not allow you to enter email addresses, so I can not get to you directly. I think there is a work around with Personal Messages, which I tried to send to you last week, but it may not have worked. If you can give me the town you live in I can look up the telephone book and give you a call perhaps?
Regards
Frank
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Hello Pete/Frank. I have read your notes re the NZ Costello's. I am a great grand-daughter of Elizabeth Costello, and while some of your names are not in my tree (yet!), some may be. What I find interesting is that many of your ancestors come from Gore & Cheviot, as do mine. My grandfather was Michael Costello (father also Michael Costello) and he had a threshing business in the area. I would like to hear from you if you have any information to share. Thank you! (I have many, many NZ Costello's in my tree). Mine arrived in 1876/1877, but I have no mention yet of any siblings.
Kay
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Hi ..this information may not be what you want, but any way. Maybe even they are different William Costello's as someone said there are many in Cheviot. They sound similar apart from date of birth and wife. They are from the same place in Ireland though.
I have been researching about the Costello's. William Costello, born 1840 is my great -great Grandfather. He emigrated from Ireland to Cheviot, North Canterbury, NZ. He married Eliza Jane Dalzell, born 1858, Northern Ireland, who moved to NZ. Him getting married to someone else is likely, but Eliza and him had 9 children together. His son Thomas had a son Thomas (my grandad), who had a son Thomas (my uncle) :) for a change. The Costello's are still farming around North Canterbury, NZ in Hawarden (close to Cheviot). My grandfather will know a lot more about William. I have a very large family tree though.
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Hi ..this information may not be what you want, but any way. Maybe even they are different William Costello's as someone said there are many in Cheviot. They sound similar apart from date of birth and wife. They are from the same place in Ireland though.
I have been researching about the Costello's. William Costello, born 1840 is my great -great Grandfather. He emigrated from Ireland to Cheviot, North Canterbury, NZ. He married Eliza Jane Dalzell, born 1858, Northern Ireland, who moved to NZ. Him getting married to someone else is likely, but Eliza and him had 9 children together. His son Thomas had a son Thomas (my grandad), who had a son Thomas (my uncle) :) for a change. The Costello's are still farming around North Canterbury, NZ in Hawarden (close to Cheviot). My grandfather will know a lot more about William. I have a very large family tree though.
Eliza Jane Dalzell was my great great grandmother and I have a wonderful picture of her. If so it may be a picture of William Costello's mother.
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;D My name is John McKenzie. I share my Costello, Nolan, Hanlon/O'Hanlon and O'Halloran maternal Irish connections with my cousin Frank Nolan's paternal connections.
Denis Costello is definitely a brother of Catherine, Jane, Edmond, Thomas, William, Mary, Maurice, and Elizabeth Costello.
Abbeydorney parish records show the marriage of Denis Costello to Catherine Carroll of Fortwilliam on 9 February 1864. Groom's parents are shown as Maurice Costello and Jane Day. Bride's parents recorded as Daniel Carroll and Mary Fenaughty, presumeably of Fortwilliam, O'Dorney, Kerry.
Of the children of William Costello and Bridget Glinn/Flynn (married 1 November 1877), the last three born were Michael (1896), Elizabeth May (1897), William Joseph (1898), and I assume from the dates that all three were born in Cheviot.
Although the Kerry Catholic Parish Records are now available online, it would seem from the Abbeydorney compilation that they are incomplete and fragmented.
There are a total of 20 baptisms and one marriage recorded with Knocknamalough as an address, fortunate that the marriage was that of Denis and Catherine Carroll.
I think that I may have gone about as far as the available records will allow, with my Costello and Nolan connections, still Hanlon from Cork and O'Halloran from Clare to be sorted out. I would like to have a discussion with Frank Nolan about searching for our Cork and Clare records. Happy hunting!
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:'( If anybody is having trouble posting personal messages, it appears that you need to have contributed to discussions at least three times, might explain why Frank and Pete were having trouble making contact!
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:-* My cousins have provided the clues to verify that my Great-great-grandfather John Nolan came from Knocknamalough, near Abbeydorney, O'Dorney, County Kerry, Ireland.
John was born about 11 May 1839, and his parents were Edward Nolan and Elizabeth McMahon (apparently conversion of names into English from Abbeydorney Latin parish records introduces variations, so Edward is also shown as Edmond, and McMahon as Mahony).
Name searches should test all possible variations and mis-spellings.
John's wife was Catherine Costello, also from Knocknamalough, O'Dorney, County Kerry, Ireland.
Catherine was born about 26 March 1842, and her parents were Maurice Costello from Knocknamalough, County Kerry, and Jane Day from Ballygarrett in County Kerry, and Maurice and Jane were married on 15 February 1825 in the Kilgobbin Church of Ireland church, near Camp, County Kerry.
There was considerable intermarriage between the various families living around Knocknamalough, and this practice continued when several family members of two generations all ended up living in New Zealand, so that many are related through several family members.
No doubt there will be more to be discovered.
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hi pete, i think we might be cousins of sorts. :D . i also have a Costello in my family line. his name was Charles Costello Ferguson. Son of Jane costello. Janes parents were called Maurice Costello and Jane Day. Charles is my great great grandfather.i have a few photos and some more info on family members if you would be keen.
tess
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Tess
Yes you are correct that Charles Costello Ferguson is the son of Jane Costello and Hubert Ferguson, and Jane Costello is the sister of my great grand mother Catherine Nolan (nee Costello) and also of William Costello (and Edmond Costello of Gore). When John Nolan married Catherine Costello in Dunedin February 1865, one of the witnesses was Jane Costello of Dunstan.
Jane Costello married Hubert Ferguson in August 1865. Hubert was a goaler in Dunedin, starting in September 1862, later moving to Lyttelton and Wellington. He then became one of the first Factory Inspectors, first in Canterbury, then moving to Auckland in 1892. There are a lot of reports of him in Auckland papers, and he certainly seems to be something of a character. He has an entry in the Cyclopaedia of Auckland, noting he arrived in New Zealand in 1862 on the Black Swan.
Hubert and Jane had a family of eight, two of whom died young - Matilda Jane born 1866 died 1870, Elizabeth Mabel born 1868 died 1935 married Ernest Alfred Le Cren lived in Auckland and Wellington - two sons, Kate Ferguson born 1862 died 1926 married Louis Sanderson lived in Wellington - one son, Ellen Leslie born 1871 died 1943 married John Galbraith lived in Christchurch and Dunedin - two sons and a daughter, Jane born 1872 died 1894, Charles Costello born 1874 died 1960 married Mary Sinclair - 3 daughters and a son? - lived in Auckland, Hubert born 1875 died at sea 1892, Maurice William born 1877 died 1953 married Christina Paton - lived in Christchurch, Dunedin, Invercargil.
Jane's parents were Maurice Costello and Jane Day and she was born about 1845 - there are no records of baptisms from 1844 - 1852. There is no record of her moving to New Zealand that I can find. And I have been having trouble finding when she died.
I would be interested if this fits with anything that you have, and am especially interested in any photographs. I am not aware of any contacts between the Ferguson family and the Nolan's from the second generation, although with Jane and Hubert in Dunedin and the John Nolan's in Central Otago, I might have thought that they may have met. And perhaps with John's brother and 2 sisters also in Dunedin, perhaps they met up with Jane - after all they lived close together in Ireland?
Look forward to hearing from you.
Frank Nolan
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;D wow thats even more info than what i had pete.haha. what i can tell you is about charles costello ferguson.
Charles married mary sinclaire in 1897.
mary Sinclaire B1874 auckland. D24 jan 1956.
cremated at Waikumete Cemetery Auckland.Charles also buried there.
They had kids
Kathleen Nora Ferguson B1900
Mona Sinclaire Ferguson B1902 D18 Jul 1938 Purewa Cemetery Auckland
Roy Ferguson B1904
Ellen Ferguson B1907
Mona died early. my nana has always called it Grites or Gripes disease. A type of cancer i think. She died on her daughters 12th birthday(patricia)
Mona married Adam Russell Walters in 1926 They had kids
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Hello everyone, My mother was a Costello. My family originated in Tipperary and ended up in Canada. Reading your posts and very interesting. I know of a Costello family in Canada (think they would be nephews of my g g grandfather.
A John Costello married a Catherine Nolan here in Canada. They of course had a son named William. All of their kids have the middle name Nolan (William Nolan Costello etc).
I would really be interested in EARLY generations if anyone has them from back in Ireland.
My g g grandfather was John Costello born 1811 he married Catherine Gleeson in Ireland but do not have much info. for this generation. Heard it was in Puckane Tipperary at St. Patrick's church but have not been able to verify. Would really be interested in anything. His son William Costello is my great grandfather but ended up in Canada as well. I have next generations or at least some of the info. and these are in Canada.
I think the Costellos and Nolans in Canada are related to my family but distantly again, think the g g grandfathers may have been brothers.
However wondering if your Costellos and Nolans are related to the Canada Costellos and Nolans. I bet they are. Which would mean we could be distantly related as well.
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Hi, I am researching my partner's family tree and came across your previous comments. He is also a descendant of William Joseph Costello so would be related to Peter. I'm interested in any photographs people might be willing to share and also in finding out if anyone knows anything more of Bridget Glynn, Joseph's wife - I can find nothing except the date of the marriage in NZ.
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Hello
My name is Dermot Nolan. I live in Canada. I am not very good at navigating this kind of thing. I stumbled upon this dialogue while researching "Kilgulbin" on Google. My father was Edward Nolan of Kilgulbin. I well remember Eugene Costello. I met him several times and was enchanted by his stories. i also remember his wife and his many children, many of whom i also met. i have seen the wonderful research by Frank Nolan who revealled to my family the existence of our many New Zealand relatives. We were in the dark about the New Zealand branch of the two families and are fascinated to find you all. If I can figure out how to engage in the conversation on a regular basis, I will be glad to join you. If I have any information that will be of interest, I will be pleased to share it.
Some years ago (before the advent of the internet), I tried to find out more of the history of the Nolans on the present farm. Family lore was that it had been in the family for 300 years. The question I have is, if that's true, were we tenants at one time and how did we first become owners - and is it true at all that we have been on the land that long? I came up dry because I was going about it the wrong way - i even retained a lawyer in Dublin to "search the title" as we would do in Canada but that went nowhere. Do any of you have any idea about that or where I could get those questions answered or researched further. i am sure the Costellos would be just as interested in the land ownership (occupation) history because it appears that the Costello- Nolan history is intertwined from way back - and they remain good neighbors to this day!. My dear Aunt Nora still lives in the county schoolhouse she bought years ago (where they all went to school) - and my cousin John still owns the farm. It appears that I just missed Frank when he visited in 2008.
Nice to meet you all!
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Greetings, Dermot. Good to hear from the Canadian Nolan family. I have wondered about tracing land ownership and tenant farming history, but it could be a tedious task. I am puzzled as to how some families remained on the same land for centuries, while others were evicted or died during the great famine years.
I have just purchased Ian Maxwell's book "How To Trace Your Irish Ancestors" (publisher www.howtobooks.co.uk), and he lists in great details the various archives and books and records that may be available for personal searching (not much help if you live in Canada or New Zealand). Seems that you need to work backwards to identify the landlord or land owners for Kilgulbin, then locate records for those landed estates, which may reveal the names of tenant farmers and long-term leases. Records can be in a number of locations in Ireland or England, or in private hands. It will be a log and frustrating search, unless you get lucky.
I hope that you can receive a personal message on this forum, though you will not be able to reply. Regards, John McKenzie, Timaru, New Zealand.
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thank you for your reply - very nice to meet you and to know that you have had the same wonderings as I. I think the landlord for the area was named Crosby - I seem to recall that the Crosby estate still has some remnants in Ardfert. I am encouraged, not discouraged, by your message - it confirms to me that I am not alone in my frustration in finding answers. Let's keep digging and sharing
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Dermot, yes I think that the Crosbie dynasty are the most likely culprits to be landlords for most of the O'Dorny area.
O'DORNEY, otherwise called Kyrie Eleison, an abbey under the invocation of the Virgin Mary was founded in 1154, for Cistertian monks. Its possessions, formerly very extensive, were at the dissolution granted by Hen. VIII. to Edmond, Lord of Kerry, created Baron O'Dorney in 1537. In 1596, the abbey was granted by Queen Elizabeth to the Provost and Fellows of Trinity College, Dublin; and in 1603 the rectory of O'Dorney was granted by the Queen to Wm. Taaffe, Esq.: it is now the property of W. Talbot Crosbie, Esq., of Ardfert Abbey. The parish comprises 10,140 statute acres, as applotted under the tithe act, and valued at £5236 per annum. The living is an impropriate cure, in the diocese of Ardfert and Aghadoe, and in the patronage of Mr. Crosbie, who receives the tithes, amounting to £184; he has appointed a curate, and a church and school-house are about to be built.
From Thom's Almanac and Official Directory for the Year 1862.
Deputy Lieutenants. Crosbie, Major James, Ballyheigue Castle, Ballyheigue; Kildare st Club, Dublin; Union Club, London, S. W.
Crosbie, William Talbot, Ardfert Abbey, Ardfert.
Magistrates. Crosbie, Major James, D. L., Ballyheigue Castle, Ballyheigue; Kildare street Club, Dublin; Union Club, London, S. W.
Crosbie, Wm, Talbot, D. L., Ardfert Abbey, Ardfert.
County Officers. Clerk of the Peace, F. Crosbie,esq. (1819), Ballyard, Tralee..
Maurice Crosbie, 1st Baron Branden was born circa 1689. He was the son of David Crosbie and Jane Hamilton.1 He married Lady Elizabeth Anne FitzMaurice, daughter of Thomas FitzMaurice, 1st Earl of Kerry and Anne Petty, in December 1712 . He died on 13 January 1762 He was buried at Ardfert, County Kerry, Ireland. He held the office of Member of Parliament (M.P.) for County Kerry between 1713 and 1758.
You can see that the Crosbie landed gentry enjoyed the income from their 10,000 acres for several centuries, and it is probable that some of their tenants held "lifetime leases" for 60 years, that were transferable to the tenant farmer's heirs, so land occupation of 300 years is quite possible.
See my personal message to you (we can discuss this by email).
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wow! I'll try to connect
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Dermot,
Good to hear from you and I am pleased that you have some of the history that I have been compiling. I sent some to your sister Mary a couple of months ago. Yes I was fortunate enough to visit the farm in 2008 and saw Norah, Pardraig and Ellen. I have not yet met Father Charles, but have written to him a couple of times.
As to the ownership of the land, I had presumed that the family would only have taken ownership in the 1920s, but that is just my guess. It seems clear from the Griffith Valuation rolls of 1851 - see askaboutireland.ie - that the Kilgulbin land was primarily owned by the Earl of Listowel. You can see from here that for Kilgulbin West all the land is leased from Nicholas Scollard. It is the same in Kilgulbin East, but you can see the Nicholas Scollard at section 12 leases from the Earl of Listowel. Several of the other townlands of ODorney have main leasee as Wm T Crosbie Esq. Also the townland to the west of Kilgulbin - where there is another family of Nolans (the Maurice Nolan's?) is also all leased from the Earl of Listowel.
You might also see here that what i think were several brothers? may have had land in Kilgulbin, both on the land that is now in the family and more. So in Kilgulbin West we have our great great grandfather Edmond with 52 acres at section 3. This is where the current farm is. On section 4 with 34 acres is Mary Nolan. I am guessing that this is Eddmond's mother, who was married to Charles Nolan (dead by 1851) and who I guess was Mary Griffen. This is also part of the current family farm. There is then the Ryall farm, and then next to that is another brother of Edmonds James (Charles) - the bracketed Charles note that there is more than on James, but this one has the father called Charles. He has 20 acres. Note that Edmond and James along with others, including Costellos, lease the bog at the north of Kilgulbin. On the other side of the road - in Kilgulbin East - James, Patrick and Edmond also have land - this is down the bottom of the road - south . When I talked to Norah I think she knew that the family had land there - she said that there was a cemetery there!
[I have some of the old maps of the boundaries for these sections - different from the aboutireland maps]
As to when Nolan's arrived, I have a book O'Nolan The History of a People by Rev John Nolan and Art Kavanagh. He notes at p 224 that o'Nolan's were moved from Leix to Kerry at the behest of Patrick Crosby in 1613. The O'Nolans in question were the descendants of Lucius O'Nolan who had been dispossessed of his lands in Forth O'Nolan in 1550 and had moved to Stradbally where he married the daughter of the local chieftain there - O'Lalor. All the Nolans from Kerry and Limmerick are descended from Lucius. There is a little more about Patrick Crosby and the move.
So it looks like Crobies were the original landlords, but at some stage the Earls of Listowel took over.
Hope that is fills in a little?
Frank Nolan
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Although Irish history always comes in several versions, James Garvey (in "the Mahonys of Ballylahive" in 2002, see also "A Farewell to Kerry" 2002) says "By the 18th Century, however, most of O'Dorney had passed into the control of the Hare family and their kinsmen the Crosbies. The future Earls of Listowel would retain title to these properties until the 1870's when they would relinquish the leaseholds to their Talbot-Crosbie cousins."
There could be much relevant information in the estate rent ledgers about tenants on the Crosbie and Hare estates at Ardfert, but possibly not about sub-tenants farming land that had originally been let to major farmers such as Nicholas Scollard.
The surviving rent books of William Talbot Crosbie are held in the manuscript room of the National Library of Ireland in Dublin along with the Earl of Glandore's (Crosbie of Ardfert's) rent books for 1805-1813. The Earl of Listowel's (Hare's) rent ledgers for the years 1875, 1879, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1886, and 1891 - have survived intact and are held in the Kerry County Library in Tralee.
The Valuation Land Office in Dublin at 6, Ely Street has records of land transactions from the time of the original Griffiths Valuation to the present in their "Cancelled Land Books" and "Current Land Books." I understand that the Mormons have copies of these available on microfilm.
In 1903, under a government sponsored scheme, tenants of Irish farms were given the means to buy their farms from the landlords. In 1909, tenants were given the right to compel landlords to sell under the scheme. In essence, the money to buy the farms was advanced by the government and the tenants (now owners) repaid the loan over 68.5 years. In many cases, the loan repayments were less than the previous rent. In time, inflation meant that the loan repayments were negligible.
This Irish Land Act came into force in November 1903, and Father Fitzgerald, parish priest at Ardfert, reported in the "Kerry People" that the first land sale was negotiated in December 1903 with Mrs Mary J Quill, for her property adjoining the Talbot-Crosbie estate, priced at 15 years rent.
Hansard reported a question in the House of Commons in November 1906 about delays over completing purchase agreements lodged with the Estates Commissioners in June 1904 for the Crosbie Estate at Ballyheigal (Ballyheigue).
Hansard reported a question in the House of Commons in December 1908 about tenants claims for the division of untenanted lands bought by the Estates Commissioners from the Lindsay Talbot-Crosbie Estate around Ardfert, and a reply that the owner was selling the lands himself.
This information gives some clues of when Kilgolbin farms may have been purchased, and where information may be found.
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I was scanning through for the very first tame and came across Jane Day. She, and aMicheal Sheehy were sponosors at the Baptiem of my Great Grandmother Honora Costello, born June 12, 1836. She is the daighter of Edmund Costello and Mary Devine.
Honora would later marry Cornelius Carmody and emigrate to America around 1860. I would love to hear from any member of this family to help me fill in the blanks.
Thanks you
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Irish Jack
Thanks for the connect, indeed this looks to be a link. I think that there are two Costello brothers in Kilgulbin in the early 1800s - Maurice (married Jane Day) and Edmund (married Mary Devine) - I guess there is a third brother Denis in nearby Rathkenny (who married Margaret Callahan in Tralee in 1822). By the naming conventions I might also guess that there father could have been an Andrew Costello?
The 1820 Tithe Applotment Books have: in Knocknamallough (now called Kilgulbin) Townland were listed Maurice and Edmond Costello with 81 acres 2r 24p. And in Rathkenny townland there is Denis Costello with 43 acres and 13 perches.
In the 1851 Griffith Valuation Maurice has 42 acres of land plus a section of an acre of house and offices, while Edward has land and house and offices of 38 acres, plus a section of 1 Rod leased to Michael Ryle. Both also lease bog (46 acres), along with Nolan’s, Kenny and Duggin in section 1 in Kilgulbin West.
There is also a Maurice Costello with 50 acres of land in Fort William townland – section13. And there is a John Costello at Milltown (nearby).
Looking through the baptisms in Knocknamallough Edmond Costello and Mary Devine have four? children - Honora b 1836, Mary b 1838 (perhaps died ), Bridget b 1841 and Mary b 1843 (on the Church records site this is recorded as Edmund Devine and Mary Costello but I think it might be the other way around).
I think Maurice Costello and Jane Day may have at least 11 children, of which only 5 are recorded as baptised in the records (some before the records began and some when the records were missing in the 1840s). I have names of has Ann, Andrew, Elizabeth (married Gerald Stack), Denis (married Catherine Carroll - took over Kilgulbin farm), Mary (baptised 1836), Thomas (b 1838) Maurice (b 1839), Catherine (b 1842 - married John Nolan in New Zealand), Jane (married Hubert Ferguson in New Zealand), William (married Bridget Flynn in New Zealand), Edmond (married Kate Fahey in New Zealand). So the younger four of this family all emigrated to New Zealand in the 1860s, with Catherine marrying John Nolan who was also from Kilgulbin. Also Elizabeth's daughter emigrated to NZ too.
I think Denis Costello and Margaret Callihan of Rathkenny may have had at least nine children - Margaret, Andrew, Eugene, Ellen, Elizabeth, Thomas, Maurice, Denis, Edmond. The Rathkenny farm is taken over by the son Andrew who married Ellen Scollard.
The Costello Fort William farm is taken over by Andrew Costello - who I think is the son of Maurice and Jane Day. And his son Denis is there in the 1901 and 1911 Census.
Note here two Andrew Costellos - one in Rathkenny and one in Fort William!
The Costello Kilgulbin farm is taken over by Denis Costello - who is a son of Maurice and Jane Day - and Denis is still living on the farm in 1901 and 1911 censuses. Denis married Catherine Carroll (from Fort William) in 1864 and had a family of seven. The farm then passed to one of the sons Daniel b 1877 and married Kate McCarthy, then to Daniel's son Eugene b 1910 married Mary Walsh. Eugene and Mary had a family of 19, with Eugene dying in 2002 the farm is now farmed by one of his sons Maurice. [There is a Costello family plot at the new Ardfert Catholic Church ].
So I am thinking that because the children of Maurice Costello took over the local farms, did your Edmond Costello family perhaps only have girls, or perhaps they may have all migrated to America?
Do you know anything of the others in your ggmather's family? Also interested to know if any of the local names such as Nolan or Ryall ended up in the same location in America? often locals travelled to the same area- so in NZ we had Nolan, Costello, Ryall, .. all ending up in the Otago goldfields in the early 1860s.
I looked to see if there was a Carmody / Costello marriage on the Churchrecords web site - one between a Michael Carmody and Ann Costello, but this is in 1848 (Ann may be a daughter of Maurice Costello and Jane Day?)
Frank Nolan
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Hello Frank
Well, here is what I know. Honora Costello married Cornelius Carmody and they had one child born in 1860 in Ireland. His name was James Carmody. Soon after, they emigrated to America. Here, Cornelius joined the Union Army and served until wounded in a scirmish at Gainesville Turnpike in Pennsylvania. He would be discharged and returned home to raise his family. They had four more children. Margaret(my grandmother) in 1868, Annie in 1871, Lizzie in 1873 and Nellie in 1876. Cornelius would later be killed in an explosion while working with munitions in 1877.
James would marry a woman named Maria Evans and later moved to Chicago, Illinois. They had only one child, Frances, who would become a school teacher and never married. I did meet her once, but I was a very young lad at the time. I do have a picture of her.
The other three girls, as far as I can tell, never married. After Honora died in 1882, the girls went to live with an aunt in Troy, New York. Now, here is an interesting part. The aunt was Margaret Costello and this shows the tie between the Costellos and the Carmodys.
Margaret Costello was born in 1841 and arrived here in 1862. I have been unable to determine who her parents were.
Is this information of help to you? I know that yours gave me some insight. If there is any other items you may know I would love to hear from you again.
Hopefully when I return again to Ireland I can arrange a trip to the Costell farm just to introduce my self and say hello.
Thanks
Jack
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Hello, Jack and Frank.
There are two or maybe three posts made on the genforum.genealogy.com site back in December 2001 that appear to refer to your Cornelius Carmody and Nora (Honora) Costello.
See http://genforum.genealogy.com/carmody/messages/271.html
Posted by: J. Burns Date: December 26, 2001 at 16:39:43
Looking for links to Cornelius Carmody born In Ireland in 1835. Married Nora Costello. Came to America prior to the Civil War and then served in the Union Army. Died in upstate New York in 1877. Nora died in 1882. Had Margaret, Annie, James(lived in NYC married Maris Evans)
Posted by: Dan Carmody Date: December 29, 2001 at 13:20:28
cornelius was a shoe/bootmaker living in ilaverhill MA he was a private in the 9th regiment mass Volunteer infantry He joined on June 1 1862. He was wounded in the battle of fredricksburg on dec 13 1862. He was dicharged in June 21 1864 but rejoined the veterans reserve group in july 2 1864. He was formally discharged nov 15 1865.
Posted by: Robert Lennox Frings Date: January 12, 2002 at 20:33:41
Dan, I am responding to your post about Cornelius Carmody. I'm assuming that you meant Haverhill, MA in your message.
My great grandmother was Mary Carmody from Oswego, NY. She married John Lennox, also of Oswego, NY. John's brother, George W. Lennox married mary's sister Margaret Carmody. George and Margaret left Oswego and moved to Haverhill, MA. George started a Morocco Leather business named Lennox and Briggs. I don't know if any other Carmody's that I've come across followed them there but the fact that Cornelius was a shoe maker seemed like it may be a similar industry. The time frame that I am talking about is between 1875 and 1920. Have you come across anyone in your research with the last name of Lennox? How about Mary or Margaret or even Oswego, NY? Thought I'd take a chance.
Looks as though you have some more cousins out there, Jack. Regards, John.
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Hello again
My great grandfather Cornelius Carmody was i the 2nd New York Cavalry Volunteers. He served from 1861 to 1864 before taking a minee ball to the knee and ending his service. In post war life he was a laborer in the Watevliet New York Arsenal, mostly working with munitions. He was killed in an explosion in 1877. As far as i know he never lived in Massachusetts.
Ther may be more coisins out there, but unfortunatley I cannot ties us together.
Jack
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??? Hello, Jack.
Looks as though only the first posting that I quoted to you, from J Burns, refers to your family. Regarding the aunt, Margaret Costello (born 1841) of Troy NY, that cared for the Carmody girls after their mother's death, would Costello have been her married name? I have only found 3 Abbeydorney baptisms for sisters of Honora Costello, no sign of any Costello brothers. Possibly Margaret's death certificate or Troy newspaper funeral notices might give a clue as to her family name and parents or relatives?
Have you seen Cornelius Carmody's civil war diaries and personal papers held in the New York State Library?
No luck so far tracking Cornelius Carmody's parents and family in the Kerry records (again the death certificate and Watervliet/Troy newspaper funeral notices might have clues). You may find out more information from census and other local Troy NY records. I don't know enough about searching for free USA records, you probably know more about that. Good luck, John.
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Hello Tom
Her married name was Carmody. she was born Honora Costello. She lived in Watervliet New York in a home that Cornelius Built. By the way, where are you located?
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I forgot to mention that I have a copy of his personal Diary that he wrote during the Civil War. Some of it is an interesting read.
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Sorry about the Tom Thing. I was e-mailing a cousin in Norway that happens to be a Tom and forgot where I was for a second.
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???Hello, Jack.
Your Carmody Irish connections are a puzzle. The Irish government has placed all the County Kerry parish records online, and almost all our Costello and Nolan relatives are in the Abbeydorney parish. Nora/Honora Costello's family is there, but no sign of Cornelius Costello's baptism or marriage, or the baptism of James Francis Carmody.
Again I can find no trace of Margaret Costello in Kerry or Troy records, to prove that she is related directly or by marriage. I found the record of James Frances Carmody's marriage to Maria Victoria Evans at Troy on 24 May 1892, and the birth and baptism of Frances Evans Carmody at Troy on 12 July 1894, and later census records for James' family at Oak Park in Cook, Illinois from 1910. Nothing else to add, as I have tried whatever I can access online from New Zealand. Good luck, John.
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If you look at the 1900 Federal Census for the city of Troy, you will find Margaret Costello and living with her you will find several nieces who are Carmody and Costello family members. You will also find in that household a Margaret C. Hartney at the age of 13. The middle intitial is for Costello, her mothers maiden name.( She was Johanna Costello.) Margaret was a distant cousin of my father and his mother was Margaret Carmody Burns, daughter of Honora Costello and Cornelius Carmody.
The only other thing I can add about Cornelius is that on his Naturalization papers he lists his place of birth as being Kerry. He emigrated from Limerick.
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I'm looking for a William Costello born in 1842 in Sydney (son of bounty immigrants from Cork, Ireland), who may have gone to New Zealand from Melbourne Australia. His brother Patrick (alias Matthew) went there in 1872 from Melbourne and died in 1885. I often wondered whether William went there too. The Costello family went to the California goldfields from Australia in 1850 when the brothers were children, but returned to Australia in 1855. Their father died in 1860. William is the only family member I can't locate in death records in Australia and New Zealand, so wondered if he went back to the USA. How amazing to find such a sketchbook, did it sell at auction?
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I have never done this sort of thing before BUT I have recently learned I am the great granddaughter of Charles Costello Ferguson. I was excited to learn (with the thanks of Google) that there seems to be a family of connections spanning across the world. Recently I was given a photo of Charles wearing his WW1 medals and the medals themselves. This is particularly significant for my family as we had no idea that we were connected in such a significant way to the first world war. Hopefully one of my 3 sons will wear his medals with pride at the dawn service in April. My father Robert Bremner Ferguson lives in Australia. I live in New Zealand.
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I have never done this sort of thing before BUT I have recently learned I am the great granddaughter of Charles Costello Ferguson. I was excited to learn (with the thanks of Google) that there seems to be a family of connections spanning across the world. Recently I was given a photo of Charles wearing his WW1 medals and the medals themselves. This is particularly significant for my family as we had no idea that we were connected in such a significant way to the first world war. Hopefully one of my 3 sons will wear his medals with pride at the dawn service in April. My father Robert Bremner Ferguson lives in Australia. I live in New Zealand.
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Hello William, I believe we may have talked before,. Since then I have found the following information concerning the Costellos in my family history. I now know who they were and where they came from. I would love to get into contact with others in the line and find out about the others in the family
My name Is Jack Burns. I am the great grandson of Honora Costello Carmody and great grandson of Edmond Costello and Mary Devine.
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I misspoke when I said that Edmond Costello was my great grandfather when in fact he is my great great grandfather. Sorry about that. His wife and my great great grandmother was Mary Devine.
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Hi everyone. I have just found this thread.. Back doing a bit of family research. I have a William Joseph COSTELLO in my tree. He was born 17 June 1898 in Cheviot NZ died in Rotorua in 18 March 1946. I have lost touch with his children and g children
Cheers.
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I have just read and digested this complete thread, which goes back over 8.5 years. It enabled me to map 7 contributors into my extended Costelloe family tree, most of whom are no closer than 4th cousins i.e. we share Maurice Costelloe/Jane Day as great-great-great grandparents. Jack Burns would be a further degree away again via Edmond Costelloe.
I descend from Maurice by way of Andrew Costelloe (1825-1900), Ellen Costelloe (1868-1951), Alice Fennessy (1911-1990) & Emer O'Sullivan (1946-).
Although I cannot send direct personal messages on here yet, I would love to hear from those, with whom I could exchange parts of our family tree. I have 425 Costelloes mapped into my family tree thus far. So Frank Nolan, John McKenzie, Pete Dunn, Kay Marie, TessaR, Vicki Ann, Jack Burns, please do reach out and say hello.
Kind regards,
Eoin O Ceallachain, Dublin
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Hi Im a descendant of Edmond and Kate (NZ family) but my question is concerning Jane Ferguson exwife of Hubert. did she remarry? John Prendiville cited in divorce. thanks for the other posts i can rebuild and correct family trees and my own because details in most have inaccuracies in basic information.
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Hubert Ferguson and Jane Costello, both from Ireland, married in 1865 in New Zealand. I am their great great grand daughter. I'm hoping for information on Hubert. Records show that he emigrated in 1862, before that he was in the Royal Irish Constabulary in Galway. He joined that in 1858, aged 18 approximately. Prior to that, I can find no record of his existence or family. I'd appreciate any help.