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Title: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Monday 24 March 08 22:30 GMT (UK)
Hi, I need help to break down this brick wall.

I have a Henry Stevens who died age 45 in April 1845 in Bethnal Green. Henry was a Police Constable in the Dock Police at St.Katherines Docks London.

On the 1841 census for Gloucester Street Bethnal Green Henry says he is not born in the county.
On the census are his 2nd wife Ann nee Thacker age 25  not born in the County
Caroline 19 dau. n.b.i.c.
Henry 14 son n.b.i.c
Eliza 11 dau born in the county
Ann 2 1/2 dau     b.i.c
Charles Henry 10 months b.i.c

As Henry died before the 1851 census I am unable to prove where he was born. I have only been able to trace Charles Henry out of all the others on the 1841.

There was an eldest son who was not with them in 1841 William Stevens but just around the corner he worked at St.Katherines Docks and was not born in the county.
On other census he gives various places of birth including Stratford/Colchester & Copford all Essex.

I have a John Stevens who is also living in Gloucester Street in 1841  not born in the county who works as a gardner/lab at St.Katherines Docks.
On other census he gives his place of birth as Copford Essex.

When Henry married Ann Thacker he said his father was William Stevens a Gardner.

From what I have Henry was born c.1800 and John c.1797.
How do I tie them both together????

Henry's children were not born in the county. William has given Copford as one of his places of birthc.1820  Caroline c.1821 ? Henry 1827? Can anyone find any bapt. to match these children. Sorry I do not know Henry's first wife name.

I have tried to give as much information as I can. I am keeping my fingers crossed on this one.

Jennifer

Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: kiwicatz on Sunday 21 September 08 06:24 BST (UK)
Hello Jennifer
I am also having a brickwall with a Stevens born in Copford. Mine is Edward Stevens, who according to the census was born Copford abt 1807. My Edward married Louisa someone, and they were living in Holborn, Middlesex from abt 1840. Louisa died in 1866, and then Edward married someone named Ann. They had married by 1874. But I can't find him on the 1871 census. I recently put a post on the essex rootsweb site as I am trying to find the dates of both marriages and when Edward died, and what the 2 ladies surnames were. Edward would have been my great great great grandfather.
And this is the reply I got - the second bit is the interesting one - as you mentioned that Henry said his father was William, and you also mentioned a John born 1797.
And Edward is living at 30 Gloucester Street, Finsbury in 1881.

>>Hi Jan, on Familysearch, there are marriage registers for Saint James, Westminster, London transcribed, and among them are:
EDWARD STEVENS
Spouse: Louisa SWIFT
05 MAY 1835   Saint James, Westminster, London, England

Also on familysearch.org, in another transcription series, there is an Edward STEVENS christened 06th Sep 1807 in Copford, Essex (his birthplace on 1851 census, and right birth year), parents William STEVENS and Mary. Other children of a William and Mary in same series in Copford: Mary 1788, William 1791, Sarah 1794, John 1797, Thomas 1802, Charles 1804. It may not be your Edward, but a definite possibility.<<

I don't know if any of this is any help, but thought I'd offer it to the conversation. Edwards children (those I have found) seemed to stay in Middlesex, as far as I've found.
Jan in Daintree, Australia
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: suffolk*sue on Sunday 21 September 08 06:47 BST (UK)
This is on Boyds marriage index.


1830/  STEVENS  HEN  /COPSON  SARA / CHELMSFORD / ESSEX 
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Sunday 21 September 08 20:20 BST (UK)
Hello Jan,

I am glad to fins another poor soul chasing 'this lot'.

I am pretty sure that your Edward was my Henry's brother.

Henry lived very near Edward in Red Lion Sq. & Theobalds Road Holborn in the 1830's. I have this from the St.Katherine's Dock records. He was recommended for employment by the Chairman of the dock's Thomas Tooke. Thomas lived in the Holborn area, so I am wondering if the Stevens boys came to Holborn to work for him as gardener's and Henry moved on to the docks?

I have found your Edward still in Boswell Court in the 1871 census RG10/369/125, he is now with a Sarah Ann given as his wife . He is 64 a now a house decorator and she is 52 and born ?ldbury Surrey.

Louisa died aged 55 Sept qtr 1866 Holborn ref. 1b 398. I can not find a marriage for Edward, he may have just lived with her?.

I would love to have the information that you have on Edward and his family, it may help with our research. I have traced John through the census and he definitely comes from Copsford.

Possible deaths for Edward aged 77? Holborn June 1883 1b444 & Ann aged 63 Holborn Sept 1889 1b434.

You can PM me if you would prefer.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Sunday 21 September 08 20:50 BST (UK)
Hello Sue,
Is there any likely marriage for Henry Stevens on Boyds in in same sort of area, his first child William was born c.1820 second child Caroline c.1821.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: kiwicatz on Monday 22 September 08 01:01 BST (UK)
Hello Jan,

I am glad to fins another poor soul chasing 'this lot'.

I am pretty sure that your Edward was my Henry's brother.

Henry lived very near Edward in Red Lion Sq. & Theobalds Road Holborn in the 1830's. I have this from the St.Katherine's Dock records. He was recommended for employment by the Chairman of the dock's Thomas Tooke. Thomas lived in the Holborn area, so I am wondering if the Stevens boys came to Holborn to work for him as gardener's and Henry moved on to the docks?

This is also v interesting - Edward was listed as a Gardener in 1851 then he was a Butler, but probably wasn't good at it, because after that he was a House Decorator.
Also, in later years, he becomes related by marriage to some Tooke/Tookeys. My maternal grandmother was a Tookey.
I wish I understood the lay of the land better - I have no idea how these different places relate to each other, and how close together they are. I am in Australia - where are you??
I will reply better later after work!!
Regards
Jan


I have found your Edward still in Boswell Court in the 1871 census RG10/369/125, he is now with a Sarah Ann given as his wife . He is 64 a now a house decorator and she is 52 and born ?ldbury Surrey.

Louisa died aged 55 Sept qtr 1866 Holborn ref. 1b 398. I can not find a marriage for Edward, he may have just lived with her?.

I would love to have the information that you have on Edward and his family, it may help with our research. I have traced John through the census and he definitely comes from Copsford.

Possible deaths for Edward aged 77? Holborn June 1883 1b444 & Ann aged 63 Holborn Sept 1889 1b434.

You can PM me if you would prefer.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Tuesday 23 September 08 07:08 BST (UK)
Hello Jan,

I have sent you a reply to the email address you have given, but it has not been able to be delivered?

Jennifer

Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: kiwicatz on Tuesday 23 September 08 14:03 BST (UK)
Hi Jennifer
That's because I'm an idiot and didn't check what I sent.

This time Moderator comment: email address removed to prevent spam and other abuses, please use the Personal Message system to exchange details.  Thanks.   

Jan
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Saturday 17 January 09 11:44 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am currently researching my Spurgeon family who lived in the Copford/Stanway area. A William Stevens was a witness to the marriage of Joseph Spurgeon to Mary Shelton at Stanway parish church 16-08-1826. Stanway and Copford lie adjacent along the London Road between Colchester and London. This road was the main route from Suffolk through Essex into London.

In 1564 a Matthew Stevens purchased the Manor of Oliver's from a Henry Golding. Matthew was described as a Fordham Yeoman (Fordham lies very close to Copford.

In c1697 a John Stevens sold Shrub Wood (117 acres). This also lies to the south within easy distance of Copford.

From c1812 a William Stevens was tenant of Henry Hammond Hayward at Wenlock's Pightle in Stanway. This William rented other small pieces of land in the Parish. This holding is described as a house and shop adjoining Beacon Lane(Villa Road).

Yesterday I visited the churches of Copford and Stanway. There were several grave markers with name Stevens. The next time I visit I will note them and post the details on this site.

I visit the Essex Records Office regularly and will look up this family in the Parish records.
In return I would appreciate if anyone out there would pass on any info on my Spurgeon family.
The Joseph Spurgeon I mentioned earlier was born 1805, in Stanway, as the illegitimate son of Franci/es Spurgeon and John Ling. She had been working for a Joseph Rod in Stanway between 1796 and 1800. John Ling was described as late groom to the Marquis of Douglas. That is all I know of him. A Joseph Spurgeon died aged 55 in 1810 in Copford. This may be the father of my Franci/es. I do not know where she was born or where she was between 1800 and 1804. She does not appear in the Copford or Stanway Parish registers.

Hope my info is of help.
Marie.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Monday 19 January 09 23:34 GMT (UK)
Hello Marie,

Any scrap of information that could help me will my 'Stevens' would be great.

I will keep my eyes open for any mention of the name' Spurgeon', were they in London at any time?

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX - completed
Post by: kiwicatz on Tuesday 20 January 09 10:45 GMT (UK)
Hello Marie
a tad busy at present - get back to you in the next couple of days.

Jennifer
Just reading these again, and suddenly saw about Thomas Tooke - the Stevens, had, in a round about way, a connection with a family of this name, but spelt Tookey. Edward Stevens had a daughter Alice, my gt gt grandmother. She married a Frederick Charles Warren. Their eldest child child was Charles William Warren, who married Jane Tookey. Jane's mother, Mary Ann Walker, married an Albert Tookey from Edmonton. Albert's grandfather was one Thomas Tookey, born Middlesex about 1791. The whole thing reminds me of a very complicated jigsaw puzzle. Where's the time machine when you want it??
Regards
Jan

Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Tuesday 20 January 09 20:16 GMT (UK)
Hi

I don't know what happened to my Francis Spurgeon after the birth of her son other than she left Stanway/Copford. Her son remained in Stanway where he brought up his family.

Marie.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Wednesday 21 January 09 20:38 GMT (UK)
Hello Marie,

Had a look around East London 1851 census and could only find a few Spurgeons born Halstead Essex, one born Ilford Essex and a John 50 Wood carver who just gives Essex.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Wednesday 21 January 09 20:45 GMT (UK)
Thanks Jennifer

I have a feeling my Spurgeons do originate from Halstead but have yet to find a link. Will keep looking and hoping that something will turn up.
There is always hope.

Regards Marie.
Title: MARIE Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Kriti on Friday 06 February 09 17:04 GMT (UK)

I am currently researching my Spurgeon family who lived in the Copford/Stanway area.

Yesterday I visited the churches of Copford and Stanway. There were several grave markers with name Stevens. The next time I visit I will note them and post the details on this site.

I visit the Essex Records Office regularly and will look up this family in the Parish records.
In return I would appreciate if anyone out there would pass on any info on my Spurgeon family.
The Joseph Spurgeon I mentioned earlier was born 1805, in Stanway, as the illegitimate son of Franci/es Spurgeon and John Ling. She had been working for a Joseph Rod in Stanway between 1796 and 1800. John Ling was described as late groom to the Marquis of Douglas. That is all I know of him. A Joseph Spurgeon died aged 55 in 1810 in Copford. This may be the father of my Franci/es. I do not know where she was born or where she was between 1800 and 1804. She does not appear in the Copford or Stanway Parish registers.

Hope my info is of help.
Marie.

Hi Marie
If you are visiting Copford parish church would you do me a BIG favour and see if there are any BEWERS's around. I have some living there mid C18. but my info. is patchy.
 I have Sarah Bewers (Bowers?) baptised October 1734 in Copford and I think her father was called Thomas Bewers/Bowers.
 Then I have a batch of Bewers in the 1760's who are all children of Thomas and Jamimy (sp?) Bewers and they tie in to my direct tree just fine.
I'm trying to tie the Sarah of 1734 and her family to the family of 1759-1772

I need  Sarah to have a brother called Thomas.
Can you find him in the graveyard or the register? It would be great to have ANY pre 1760 Bewers.
Ta ever so
Kriti
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Friday 06 February 09 22:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Kriti

Am planning a trip back to Copford when the weather improves and I will look out for any Brewers.
I will be going back to the Essex Records Office next week so will look out for them there too.

It may be a coincidence but my Joseph Spurgeon married a Mary Shelton who had just been delivered of an illegitimate daughter (1925) whose father was named James Brewer, carpenter. Unfortunately, she didn't name his parish of residence in her Examination.

Regards Marie.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Friday 06 February 09 22:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Jennifer

Had a quick look at the Stevens in Copford/Stanway last week when at the ERO but didn't have much luck. It was a brief look as someone already had the Fiche out when I got there. Will try again on my next visit. Wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten.

Marie.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 07 February 09 09:55 GMT (UK)
Hello Marie,

Thank you for looking, any time given is much appreciated.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Wednesday 25 February 09 17:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Kriti

Have been to the ERO today and searched the Copford Registers for Bewers.

I found the Thomas and Jamimy Bewers you know of and their children, Susanna, Jamimy, John, William and Charlotte. There was a death of an Elizabeth Bewers, burial date Oct 27 1761.
There were no other Bewers baptised during this period.

When I go back next week I will check the earlier Fiches.

PS
I didn't find ant Stevens whislt looking at these Fiche.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Kriti on Saturday 28 February 09 08:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for the BEWERS info. you uncovered. I'm on the other side of the country so chances to get at Essex resources are few and far between.

Kriti
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Saturday 28 February 09 09:59 GMT (UK)
Hello Marie,

Thank you for your help, it is always appreciated.

I know my Henry was born in Copford c.1800.

He must have marries locally as his eldest son William born c.1819 was born in Copford/ some times Chelmsford. The next child Caroline was born c.1820, possibly in the same area, also could have been named after a close relative (William was named after his grandfather)

I get so excited when I see the notification on my email to say there is a reply to this post, it's like Christmas.

Many thanks   Jennifer
Title: Re: Kriti: Bewers family Copford
Post by: winstree on Wednesday 25 March 09 21:22 GMT (UK)
As I have been researching Copford for some years, I have amassed a large amount of information and was interested to see your notes re the `Bewers`.
This family crops up in my draft book in relation to a cottage and four acres of land which was held from the Manor of Copford. I feel sure that they will turn out to be `your` Bewers. If so, I will keep an eye out for further details. The following is the extract that I have written which mentions the Bewers. I have included all the info as some of the other names may mean something to you!.

Brewery Field Cottages -™ 446 -& 445 Tithe Map
(formerly Hasletts/Hempstalls & Bewers Farm)
(Demolished/Decayed)
This holding is remembered as a small, low cottage with thatched roof and its land lay around it. The site is still easily identifiable but any trace of the buildings is long gone.
   In 1736, Thomas Bewers held the copyhold which was still said to be occupied by Jonas Dennis. The Dennis family farmed Roundbush Farm so Hasletts was probably used as accommodation for agricultural labourers. The same year, Thomas Bewers took out a mortgage on the property with Thomas Barnard, Vicar of Earls Colne which had to be repaid a year later at the Vicar’s house.
   Thomas died in 1738 and left the cottage and four acres to his son of the same name. Thomas Jnr. was only twelve years old at the time and his guardian was John Barker of Lexden.
   By 1752, the rental value of the property was £3 a year and the quit rent to the manor remained at 4d. Daniel Burdox, then holding  Bockingham Hall and Walnut Tree Farms amongst other places, was renting what was by then called `Thomas Bewer`s Farm`.
   In 1773, John Skinge was admitted at the manor court. Whether he came into the property by inheritance or purchase is not clear - he was related to both the Cleer and Stilleman families. He died in 1787 leaving his wife Mary a life interest and then it was to go to John Munson, a cordwainer.
   Mary Skinge appears on a manor rental in 1798 but must have died by 1803 when the property changed hands again. At this date, the manor records relate that Thomas Bewers (or Buers), a Copford labourer, was the son of the Thomas Bewers who had been admitted in 1738 (age 12) and the elder brother of John Bewers, a gunner in the Royal Artillery. Perhaps the manor steward was just trying to make sure that the Bewers had no further claim to the property. When a Thomas Bewers had died in Copford in 1777 the overseer paid carpenter Nathaniel Cobb 8s to make a coffin for him so it appears that he then had no property. It was Joseph Sach who was admitted to a moiety (or share) of the property in 1803 and there was no further mention of the Bewers/Buers or of John Munson the cordwainer. Joseph had paid the rates on the property at least between 1773 and 1776, so seems to have already been the tenant before his purchase, although, again he would not have been in residence being a wealthy farmer  who lived elsewhere.
Regards
Christina
Title: Stevens COPFORD/ STANWAY ESSEX
Post by: winstree on Wednesday 25 March 09 21:35 GMT (UK)
I note that early research that I included in my first Stanway Book has been passed on to you re William Stevens but since I wrote it I have continued researching and a little more info has come from deeds to the cottage where he lived. They state that William Stevens had been resident c1826 when he was gardener at Stanway Hall and that after William, the cottage was inhabited by his son-in-law John Batterham.
Just a snippett but evry little helps
regards
Christina
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Wednesday 25 March 09 22:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Christine

My Aunt and I have spent many hours studying your Stanway book.

Thank you for writing it.

I have just spent a fruitless couple of days at the ERO trying to find info on the cottage my Spurgeon family moved to in Beacon End from Warren Lane. On one census they are on Back Lane? From the Stanway rate books I have determined that they were renting from a John Ling from 1863. This is also the name given as Joseph Spurgeons father. Coincidence? I cannot find any more info on this John Ling. He probably died sometime around 1881 as a Mrs Ling is then named as owner.

If you have any info that may help I would be very appreciative.

Do you plan to write another book?

Regards Marie.





Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Kriti on Thursday 26 March 09 09:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for all the wonderful info. on Thomas Bewers. It is such a great feeling when you can 'get in touch' with family history this far back.

All the later references to my Bewers relations come from the Maldon area and it seems from these details that there was nothing to keep them in Copford. Presumably the grass looked greener in Maldon. The family never rose to great prosperity but they survived, thankfully for me.

Kriti
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: winstree on Thursday 26 March 09 13:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Marie
Glad you are finding the 1st Stanway book useful, there is another one on the way 1900-1920 - with lots of refrences to Spurgeon! The family are still here and still in `Back Lane` which was later Council Road and is now New Farm Road. There were only 4 sets of cottages in Back Lane in the later 19th century - but which one belonged to John Ling I don`t know. But I will find out. Unfortunately, only one of the old cottages still survives. All the others have been pulled down and redeveloped in recent years.
I presume that your Joseph Spurgeon was the roadman in 1901??? He then lived in Workhouse Lane which is now Millers Lane and had a daughter Ada who was then 26. I have Arthur Spurgeon in a school photo of 1914. In 1901, a Frederick (b Stanway 1867)& Ann Spurgeon lived at King Coel Cottages (still standing) with some of their children. Their son George served in the Navy in WW1. He was a staunch supporter of the Peculiar People`s Chapel (now the Stanway Evangelical Church) and when he died in 1968, 2 days before his 69th birthday his brother Albert (known as Fred) wrote an excellent booklet on the history of the Chapel in his memory.
Spurgeons also lived at Prospect Cottages on the London Road - William Spurgeon in 1910 & Alice Georgina Spurgeon at her death in 1938 aged 75. I think William`s children were Ernest, Theobald, fred and Percy.
At Victoria Cottages, London Road (still standing) a Spurgeon was one of the tenants in 1875 - unfortunately the deeds don`t give his Christian name.
Let me know if any of these are the right Spurgeons - then I can keep an eye out for more info.
Regards
Christina
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: winstree on Thursday 26 March 09 13:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Jennifer
Just a snippet that may come in useful - A Rachel Stevens married george Death at St leonards Church, lexden (next to Stanway) on Oct 15th 1730
Regards
Christina
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: winstree on Thursday 26 March 09 13:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Jennifer - also found ELizabeth Stevens married John KIng at St Leonards Lexden April 16th 1734
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Thursday 26 March 09 19:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Christina,

Thank you for your information, how do I obtain a copy of your 1st book on Stanway?

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Friday 27 March 09 19:05 GMT (UK)
Hi, Is there any chance of find which female Stevens John Batterham married?

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: winstree on Saturday 28 March 09 11:58 GMT (UK)
Hi Jennifer
Book is `Parish of Stanway 1700-1840 - People & Places` ISBN 0-9541896-0-4
John Batterham (Baker) - wife named Sarah. William Stevens Batterham son of John & Sarah baptised 1832. Then another son, William Batterham baptised December 14th 1833. (St Albrights Church, Stanway) Family on the 1841 census, Stanway. Sarah was a widow by 1851. Name sometimes occcurrs as Battram.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: Mousey on Saturday 28 March 09 14:40 GMT (UK)
Hi

Forgot to say in my personel message that John Ling was the owner of a Beer house in Beacon End. I presume this was the Live and Let Live. It was occupied by William Miller from at least 1861 to 1884 when the last poor rate book is dated to. The cottages owned by John Ling were owned by a Tracy in 1861.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: major01 on Saturday 20 April 13 13:14 BST (UK)
Hi Kirt
this is the first time I have used this site,  I was very excited to read the posting about Thomas Bewers in Copford as I believe he is an ancestor. he branch of the bewers family I have been researching lived in the Hannifields and Sandon.  A John and Martha Bewers farmed in Sandon for most of the 1800's. I am descended from this branch. If you have or want any more informatioin about this branch of the Bewers Please let me Know.  If any more is known about the John Bewers mentioned above who was in the Royal Artillery I would be very  interested  Annette
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: kiwicatz on Saturday 20 April 13 23:46 BST (UK)
Hello Jennifer C
Did we ever finish this about Henry and Edward? We left Daintree soon after this, and I completely forgot about this thread.
I'd like to give you what I was going to, if I haven't already, and interested to know where you got to.
Regards
Jan
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Sunday 21 April 13 08:30 BST (UK)
Hello Jan,

I had forgotten this thread, it came as it of a surprise to me when it popped up.

I have found more information on John Stevens who I thought was Henry's brother, I am convinced now that they were brothers.

I have things going on at the moment, but I will be back in touch soon.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: james52 on Thursday 27 July 17 22:10 BST (UK)
Hello - not sure if you are all still active on here 4 years after the last post in the thread, but I came across it while following some leads of my own regarding the Stevens family in London, which lead to Copford.

I have gotten back as far as a family in Marylebone, London, in the 1851 census:

Charles Stephens (Waiter) born Abt 1805, COPFORD.
Ann Stevens (wife) born Abt 1804, Mildenhall Suffolk
Charles Stephens (son, Apprentice something?) born Abt 1833, Middlesex
Louisa Stephens (dau) born Abt 1834, Middlesex
Thomas (son, Apprentice Chair & Sofa Maker) born Abt 1836 Middlesex
Ann (dau) born Abt1840 Middlesex
Jane? (dau) born Abt1842 Middlesex

I have my family tree on the ancestry website, and from other people's trees the most likely candidate for Charles Stephens (spelled Stevens everywhere apart from the 1851 census) is the Charles Stevens who is brother to:
Mary (1788-)
William (1791-1845)
Sarah (1794-)
John (1797-)
Henry (1800-1845)
Thomas (1802-)
Edward (1807-1883)
Charles (1805-)
 - all born Copford.

Their parents are given as:
William Stevens (1760-)
Mary Moss (1764-)

I would love to hear what any of you know about this family, and will be happy to share what else I know. (I am a Stevens myself)



Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: suffolk*sue on Thursday 27 July 17 22:23 BST (UK)
Charles Stevens was baptised in December 1804 (can't read date) to William and Mary in Copford.
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Friday 28 July 17 14:50 BST (UK)
This looks like them in 1841
Cirencester place  MLB

Charles Stevens 35 tobacconist
Ann 35
Charles 8
Louisa 6
Ann 1

Charles and Ann not born in the county

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: james52 on Tuesday 26 September 17 17:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Jennifer - that has solved (part of) a mystery for me - I couldn't find the family in the 1841 census as I was looking for Thomas Stevens. The rest of the family is all there with the right ages so I'm sure it's them. Wonder where Thomas go to?

Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: james52 on Thursday 28 September 17 17:04 BST (UK)
Marie / Mousey:

I have been checking through various Essex parish records on a wild goose chase for some Stevens's - I came across some Spurgeons as I went, and remembered seeing the name on this thread so I noted the facts down in case they're of use:

Dedham, 1788 July 17
William Spurgeon of Stratford in the county of Suffolk (bachelor) married Mary Branston of Dedham (widow).

Stanway, 1882 December 23
James Spurgeon, labourer, 21 of Stanway (father = Joseph William Spurgeon, labourer) married Emma Everitt, 19 of Stanway (father = William Everitt, labourer). Witnesses were Frederick William Everitt and Fanny Spurgeon.

Stanway, 1883 May 5
Frederick William Everitt, labourer of Stanway (father = William Everitt) married Fanny Spurgeon of Stanway (father = Joseph William Spurgeon). Witnesses were William Spurgeon and Alice Goody.

cheers,
James
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: jennifer c on Friday 06 October 17 00:20 BST (UK)
Hello James, I am not sure where you got the death for William 1845, he is alive and kicking aged 80 in Sheffield with his daughter in 1871.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Henry Stevens COPFORD ESSEX
Post by: james52 on Friday 06 October 17 08:20 BST (UK)
Ah yes, you're right, sorry if that caused any confusion. I have the census record myself so I am not sure where 1845 came from - I'll do some verifying on all my dates over the weekend