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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: chirp on Sunday 06 April 08 13:20 BST (UK)
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My ancestors were living in Gill's Court, Salford in 1854. I think this was probably in the area around Gravel Lane off Chapel St. Does anyone have a map which shows it? Thanks
Chirp
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Hi Chirp,
I've got Gravel Lane on the 1848 and 1891 repro maps, but no sign of a Gills Court nearby on either. There is a Bull Court and a Caygill St - nearest I can see as soundalikes :)
Maybe Gills Court changed its name, or was built & demolished between those dates? Is the name from a directory?
:) Barbara
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Hi Barbara
Thank you for your reply. No I didn't get this name from a directory it was on the marriage certificate of my 2x great grandparents. They were both living there at the time of their marriage in September 1854.
Chirp
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Looking at the 1851 unfilmed census, this is the description of the enumerator's area
Bounded by the East side of Gravel Lane by the South side of Palmer Street and of Kings Head Yard and the North West side of Chapel Street.
Including: the South East side of Gravel Lane from Chapel Street to Palmer Street, Hardings Buildings, Briercliffes Buildings No. 1 and No. 2. The South side of Palmer Street and the Kings Head Yard. The North West side of Chapel Street from Kings Head Yard to Gravel Lane, Kidderminster Court, Richardsons Court, Gills Court, Nightingale Square and Trinity Church.
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Thank you so much for this, it is really helpful. The same family who lived at Gills Court also lived, at different times, in Hardings Buildings and Briercliffes Buildings so I now know they didn't move far!
Chirp
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Very helpful skb - I can see the area near Trinity church and it looks to me as if Hardings Buildings and Gills court might be the same place.
Here's the map from 1849, with Hardings buildings marked. In between Richardson Court and Nightingals Square. I've just finished reading Robert Roberts book, The Classic Slum, and this is the same area of Salford that he writes about :D
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To skb and Barbara
I can't thank you enough - this is so helpful. Barbara is this map an Alan Godfrey one? If so, could I have a note of the number please? The book reference is interesting I will try and get hold of a copy. Thanks again.
Chirp
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The map is Manchester Sheet 23, Manchester Victoria 1849. I got mine direct from Godfrey Maps, you can order online and their postage costs are really cheap, about 75p I think.
The Classic Slum book is about the Edwardian era so a bit later than your family were there. Even so, I'm sure it mentioned the Flat Iron Market on Chapel St. It's on the map there near Trinity Church
:) Barbara
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Thanks Barbara, I'll get a copy.
Chirp
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It looks like Exchange station was built on this site in later years. However when you look at the 1844/49 maps I wonder if your Gill's Court is the one shown with no name marked on it. See the attached map.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Many thanks for that Mike. You could well be right about this being Gill's Court. I noticed that at the end of Hardings Buildings there is what looks to be "Hardings Buildings Police Station" - this is interesting as my ancestor was a Policeman for a time. Maybe he worked at this station. I think I need to visit Salford Local History Library the next time I am in the area.
Chirp
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Hi Toronto,
would you be kind enough to put the link up for that map please
Red :)
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This 1844-49 Manchester Salford map is one of several maps I have on disks and paper that were donated to me by various Rootsweb members. They were given to me to back up my knowledge of the area that I had grown up in the central part of Manchester. They have proven time and time again to be of great assistance in cross referencing locations and helping people to locate addresses in their family tree search. But I still need to pore over each map inch by inch to locate streets etc. There is no magic street directory. You hunt for clues in birth certificates , church locations etc and census records.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Thanks Toronto, I didn't realise it was your own personal map. I thought you might have an address of my relatives, who's address I got from a Census.
Red
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Hi Red,
There is nothing stopping me from looking. What information can you give me from the census ? It would be a pleasure to look this up and copy it for you.
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi to all you Safordian's who are reading this post, i am just wondering if you could advise me where my wifes maternal people were located?, in the 1881 census, their address is ,
1 Burys Building Cellar, Salford?
Bodger
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Hi
thanks for your reply. The address I am looking for from the 1841 census is, Smith Street, Greengate, Salford.
Also, 1851 census has them living at Hargreaves Street. How far do you think Hargreaves Street is from The New Bailey Prison ??? ;D My rellie was in there 1851, and his family where at Hargreaves Street.
Thank you for your time :)
Chirp, it could have been your rellie locking mine up. :o ;D
Red :)
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Bodger,
please show some surrounding street names, or a church name. it would help narrow the search or at least show the area it was located in. Cheers
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi Red,
I have attached Smith street which was just above the prison. But Hargreave street you dont say if this is Salford or Manchester. Do you have any other nearby street names you can give me?
Cheers
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Hi Red
An interesting point - if a Constable William Maloney/Moloney/Malone should crop up in the records I would love to know!
Chirp
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I did notice to the south of the prison a place named Nangreave street. No chance this is the correct street................. is there :)) Its close to Hampson and Oldham street and west of Ordsall lane.
Cheers
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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Mike, thank you for your prompt reply, the only info i can glean from the 1881 census is that the two previous neighbours addresses are 29 & 27, West Duke St.
Regards Bodger
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I have tried to locate west Duke street Salford in the 1881 census set I have, but had no luck. Seeing as you were able to provide this street name when you opened the 1881 census. Then please search through 'Neighbours' and look for other street names. I did locate a Duke street running off Gravel lane in Salford but not west Duke street.
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Hi
I've lost the thread of this thread a little bit now ::) but there is a West Duke St in the area you have mentioned with Nangreave St and Hampson St. This is on the later map of the area (Manchester SW, 1894). Bury's Building isn't named as such, but one whole side of the Street is taken up by Ordsall Lane Mills. This would be a noisy place to live!
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Thank you , I see it now on my 1894 map, I shall now look on my 1844 map to see if there is anything that shows thats not in the 1894 map.
Cheers
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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West Duke was not developed in this area in the 1844 map of Salford. But interestingly there is a Berry Building near by. I wonder if this is your Bury Building? I have marked the area that West Duke street appears in in 1894.
Cheers
Mike Morris
Toronto Canada
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I see that this is an old post but I was directed to it when I Googled "Harding's Buildings" and have picked up the map image (thank you)
When I look at the 1861 census P2915, F32, Pg26 there are a number of families at No.19 including mine. Might anyone know what kind of dwelling might it have been if they all have the same dwelling number? What was the quality of the housing like in this part of Salford? It was between the railway and a canal but that does not necessarily make it a slum.
There were slums for sure and the Blitz took its toll of all manner of buildings and then there was the 1960's the "White Heat of Technology" and the love affair with the car, all of which means no Harding's Buildings to examine today.
Just curious.
Happy Hunting
Canuc
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From all I have read about the area I feel pretty certain that it was a very poor part of town. Some of my family members who had lived in Hardings Buildings/Gill's Court/Gravel Lane ended their days in the workhouse and all of them died young. My particular family were Irish and I wonder if the area contained a lot of Irish families. Certainly there were quite a few Irish names appearing on the censuses.
Chirp
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Hi All
As I can see this is an old post, I am very new on this forum and have just began my journey though the ages. I have discovered that I had relatives who lived in number 3 Gills court Salford in 1834 , Maloney is our name. I am wondering if anyone can give me some pointers on how or where I can find some information on how life was like and a little bit on what the area was like around 1834 or even better if there's is anyone who is also tracing the Maloney tree that would be great ???
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Hello Brynster84 I do apologize but I have only just seen this message (have not been using Rootschat for a while - shame on me!) I am very interested to learn about your family as Maloney is the name I am also seeking. My ancestors were William and Catherine (nee Moran) Maloney. I descend from their son Thomas. Any connection?
Chirp