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Title: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: County Girl on Tuesday 13 May 08 19:17 BST (UK)
Is there a big house or farm near Kirkpatrick Durham?  Mary Porteous (born 1834 Kirkmichael) was a servant in Kirkpatrick Durham in 1851.  By 1854 she had moved to Kent - but why?  She married a shepherd and never went back.  Possibly she was a servant in a household which spent some part of the year in Kent.  Any ideas on how I might find where she was a servant?
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Clingan on Monday 07 July 08 00:54 BST (UK)
Hi Country Girl,
I have Porteous's in my line farming at Parton. Think a lot of the Porteous's came from Edinburgh way.
Ian
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: County Girl on Tuesday 08 July 08 08:17 BST (UK)
Hi Ian,
Thanks for this.  However, my Porteous family don't seem to have extended from Dumfriesshire to Edinburgh.  I have gleaned a little more since my first log, and it seems they were very firmly in the area only a few miles from Dumfries in any direction at any time.  The last known place was Auchenhay, near Corsock.
County Girl
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Reiver on Tuesday 08 July 08 18:19 BST (UK)
Hi County Girl
The 1851 Census shows Mary, as you say, as a Farm Servant in the Parish of Kirkpatrick Durham which is in fact in Kircudbrightshire.

She is however with her parents Richard (42)  and Janet Porteous (40)  and her brothers and sisters of whom she is the eldest age 16 Her father is a Farm Labourer.
They are living at Auchanhay Cot. House. Above her family on the Census is a gamily at Auchan Hay but which still seems to be a family who work locally Mole catcher etc.
I suspect the 'big house' you are looking for will be on the previous page.  Auchenhay appears to be in the parish of Borgue.

A spot of googling on Borgue etc. may add to your information.   There has been for a long time a Porteous Research Project which you may want to contact.

Best wishes
Reiver

Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: meandcupcake on Thursday 10 July 08 04:42 BST (UK)
Hi Country Girl

I don't know if you have this already.  1841 census for Kirkmichael:
living at Tinwald Cottage
Richard Porteous age 30 agr labourer
Jannet age 30
David age 8
Mary age 6
Helen age 4
John age 2
James age 4 mos
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: County Girl on Thursday 10 July 08 12:01 BST (UK)
Thanks to you both for this information.  It's so exciting when someone unconnected to the family is kind enough to bother to pass on information!  Much appreciated.  I'm drawing a line on my OS map of the area following the farms where Mary's father went in search of work via the places where his ten children were born.  He starts out at Lockerbie and goes via farms just north of Dumfries and then west to Auchenhay then to Urr area.  The Auchenhay census info was interesting - I now need to look at 'the previous/next page'!  Thanks again.
County Girl
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: TaffyBlue on Tuesday 05 August 08 23:07 BST (UK)
Hi,

I have just started researching my girlfriend's tree, and have come up with a Porteous family in Dumfriesshire.  Coming forward a few years in this thread, does anyone have details of Susan Hastings Porteous marrying William Macaulay in 1910?

I would be grateful for any contact.
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 05 August 08 23:27 BST (UK)
Hi,

I have just started researching my girlfriend's tree, and have come up with a Porteous family in Dumfriesshire.  Coming forward a few years in this thread, does anyone have details of Susan Hastings Porteous marrying William Macaulay in 1910?

I would be grateful for any contact.

Um - me  ???

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,319601.0.html

but it was Dunbartonshire not Dumfriesshire,  if I remember correctly  ;D


Gadget
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 05 August 08 23:34 BST (UK)
However - not too far off. I've found her  on the 1901 in Dunbartonshire but she is down as being born Thornhill, Dumfriesshire.

big household - will put it up shortly.

Gadget
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 05 August 08 23:39 BST (UK)
1901

Hillview Terrace, 48 Dunbarton Road, Clydebank (Old Kilpatrick)

Robert Porteous, 40, sewing machine maker - iron moulder, b. Thornhill, Dumfriesshire
Johann, 35, b. Sanquhar, Dumfriesshire
Susan, 14, general servant domestic, b. Thornhill
Annie, 12,  b. Thornhill
James, 11,  b. Thornhill
Thomas, 9, b. Glasgow
Isabella, 6, b. Clydebank
Maggie, 1, b. Clydebank


Gadget
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 05 August 08 23:41 BST (UK)
SP have Robert Porteous marrying Johann Crawford, Morton, Dumfriesshire in 1886

 :D

Gadget
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: genmouse on Saturday 06 September 08 14:51 BST (UK)
I am looking for Archibald PORTEOUS (1819-1886) m. c1854 Nancy/Nan/Ann BLACK (c1834 - 1888). Archabald PORTEOUS was the son of Archibald PORTEOUS & Grace ROBERTSON and was born in 1819 at Kirkpatrick-Fleming, Dumfriesshire, Scotland. Nan was from IRL, exactly where & when imigrated unknown. (See update).
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Reiver on Saturday 06 September 08 16:56 BST (UK)
Genmouse

The following inscription is taken from a memorial in the kirkyard of Dornoch and appears to belong.

John son of Archibald Porteous & Grizzel Robinson who died at Dornoch 10th February 1805 aged 5 months.  Also Julia their daughter who died at Headless Cross 3rd October 1814 aged 3. And Mary their daughter who died at Grahamshill 8th July 1817 aged 18.  And the above Archibald Porteous who died at Grahamshill 17th September 1824 aged 48.  Also above Grizzel Robinson who died 26th September 1852 age 76.

Note the spelling variations.   Griz(z)el is often used instead of Grace,  Inscription reads Robinson - even Robison - though I note that the !819 baptism record you mention refers to Grace Robertson.

Hope this helps.
Reiver


Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: genmouse on Saturday 06 September 08 19:26 BST (UK)
Thanks yes it puts in a few more dates, but would love to know names of Archibald Porteous b. abt. 1770  parents
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: dlporteous on Thursday 04 December 08 16:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Genmouse,

I have a fairly detailed "Descendants of Archibald PORTEOUS" report. I can email it to you if you PM me your email address.

Unfortunately it does not go back further than Archibald b.1773, but if you have any additions of amendments, I would be most interested.
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Ceeoh on Monday 15 December 08 13:50 GMT (UK)
Hi County Girl
Have you contacted Porteous Associates?  Our genealogist holds the trees of more than 300 families.

http://www.geocities.com/porteous_associates/


Ceeoh (Porteous Associates Director Africa)
Not connected to the Porteous website .co.za


Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: arthur127 on Tuesday 02 June 09 19:31 BST (UK)
Hi ,
Have you any infomation about Archibald Portus born 1796 Kirklinton Cumberland. I believe his father was also called Archibald born in gretna 1770c
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: boswells on Thursday 04 June 09 17:26 BST (UK)
Hi country girl.
My great gradmotherx2 was born at Ruthwell near Annan on 20th February 1809.  Her father was John Porteous and her mother was Isabella Gardener. They were married in Ruthwell and had 7 children ; Nicholas, Ann, Isabella, Janet, Jannet, Margaret and James.  I have no further information apart from Isabella marrying my grandfatherx2 James Mitchell who lived variously at Dornock, Hollee and Kirkpatrick Fleming.  I would love to know more about them as up to now this has been a dead end.
Boswells
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 04 June 09 22:36 BST (UK)
Hi all  :)

I've just noticed that Country girl hasn't been online since July last year so she won't have seen any of the last few replies.


Gadget
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Ceeoh on Saturday 13 June 09 15:54 BST (UK)
Does our moderator know if Country Girl is still an active rootschatter - or has a p m been sent?

Ceeoh
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: County Girl on Tuesday 16 June 09 08:30 BST (UK)
I've just logged back in to RootsChat after nearly a year and read this thread - thanks to you all very much for your messages.  I'm still digging to find why Mary Porteous left Dumfries for Kent as a humble servant in around 1854.  She was at Auchenhay Farm in 1851 and definitely in Kent in 1854.  I thought I had a lead with the surname Glover - the name of the witnesses on her marriage certificate and coincidentally the name of neighbours of the Porteous family in 1841 in Tinwald.  I'm trying to track down the name of the owners of Auchenhay Farm near Corsock in 1851 as maybe that will help ......

County Girl
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Ceeoh on Tuesday 16 June 09 11:45 BST (UK)
Hello County Girl
Does this help - the name Glover rang a bell!!

Richard Porteous born 1808 married Janet Bell (Tinwald - date unknown)
Their issue
David 1832, MARY 1834, Helen (or Ellen) 1837, John 1839, James Smith 1841, Janet 1842, Richard 1844, Ann c1846, William 1848, Marrion c1850, Jane Bowman 1853, Robert 1857.

Richard born 1808 was the son of John Porteous and Mary Winstanley (my g-g-grandparents).

Mary Porteous 1834 was born 6 October, Miekleholm, Kirkmichael Parish, Dfs.
Married William Wickens 12 June 1855 Ulcombe Parish, Kent.
Mary died 16 June 1923, Hollingbourn, Kent.

Mary P and William Wickens had twelve children.

The Glover connection - James P c1829 youngest son of John P and Mary Winstanley (therefore youngest brother of Richard 1808 above and uncle to Mary) married Margaret GLOVER 22 June 1858, Hoddam, Dfs.
Margaret (Glover) Porteous died 31 October 1869 and is buried in Tundergarth Churchyard with her in-laws John and Mary.

Does any of this fit with your data from the census?

Ceeoh
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: County Girl on Tuesday 16 June 09 21:03 BST (UK)
Hello Ceeoh,

This is very exciting, thank you for this!  So the Winstanleys are your g-g-grandparents?  They are my g-g-g-grandparents!  Are you from down the James/Margaret line then?  I am looking into these Glovers and will let you know what I discover!  Thanks again.

County Girl
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Ceeoh on Wednesday 17 June 09 13:42 BST (UK)
Hope I'm not sending this twice - hit the wrong button and lost my reply!

John P who "married" Mary Winstanley (no marriage found), was most probably the son of William P c1741 and his second wife Jane Cummings.  If you have any data showing John c1777 who married Mary W as the son of Thomas P 1738 and Ann Brown, this is incorrect.  I was following that line however it has been proven without doubt that this John was not the son of Thomas and Ann.

William 1741 was the son of Archibald P 1711 and Janet Carruthers.
Archibald  1711 was the son of Thomas P 1667 and Agnes Moffat.
Thomas P 1667 was the son of James "Dunty" P c1649 - not proven.

The Winstanley line.
Mary Winstanley who married John Porteous was the daughter of Richard Winstanley and Mary Bell.
Mary and her brother John were baptised St Mary's Church, Maryport, Cumberland 26 December 1782.

John was born 14 November 1779 but no date of birth for Mary.  End of thumb I would guess 1782 and the parents had the older child John and the baby Mary baptised at the same time.

Mary Winstanley Porteous was my g-g-grandmother.  Richard and Mary (Bell) Winstanley were my g-g-g-grandparents.

Richard Winstanley a sawyer by trade married Mary Bell 12th November 1771, St Peter's Church, Camerton, Cumberland

My line following down from Dunty, Thomas, Archibald and William is:
John P and Mary (Winstanley)
      John P 1815 and Jane Hall
            James P 1845 and Mary Ann Fell
                  Sydney P 1889 and Alice Maud Grout

Sorry I do not have a Glover connection.

John P 1815  my g-grandfather (who was a twin), was an older brother of James who married Margaret Glover.

I have a contact in Maryland USA who is a descendant of Jane Bowman Porteous, sister to your Mary.

Interred in Tundergarth Churchyard are John P and Mary (Winstanley) and their daughter-in law Margaret Glover.  To their left is their daughter Mary P  and her husband John Boyes also some of their children, and to the right their eldest son William P, his wife Agnes Graham, also some of their children.  Three headstones in a row, close together.

If you have any further data on the Winstanley family would you be kind enough to share it with me.

Regards Ceeoh
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: County Girl on Tuesday 23 June 09 14:03 BST (UK)
Hi Ceeoh,

Wow, thanks so much for all this.  I am sorting out in my head all these families, very exciting.  I am pleased I have found a relative, albeit many times removed, etc, John and Mary (Winstanley) Porteous being my g-g-g-g-grandparents.  I believe we may have the same US contact, the descendant of my Mary's sister, Jane.  I know we need to search out these Winstanleys, and as you say there is not much information out there.  I live a long way from Cumbria so, even though I would love to visit the local Record Office, there is not much chance of that, for a while anyway.  I am no nearer to discovering why my Mary moved down to Kent, but if I learn anything further about the Winstanleys I will of course let you know.

County Girl
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: Tiana on Monday 07 August 17 02:04 BST (UK)
Country girl,
I too have not been on here in years. Might be taking a trip next year to Scotland. I was looking for any new info when I came across your post. My ancestors were either owners or farming the Auchenhay farm. In the 1841 census Auchenhay was farmed by George and Robert Campbell. It also states they employed 4 servants and gives the names. These are my people George and Robert. :)
Title: Re: Porteous - Kirkmichael / Kirkpatrick
Post by: dinarina on Saturday 14 April 18 18:58 BST (UK)
Is anyone still using this thread?

My husband has a connection with the Porteous family that you have all been discussing and it would be great if we could compare some information. I have only recently got back into doing some research having been away from it for so long.

Would love to hear back from any of you guys.

Diane