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Title: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: sue rob on Thursday 15 May 08 07:41 BST (UK)
I read a message inrootschat from someone called Moore, and now can't find the source
They had a relative come out on this ship

Hope you or someone might have a passenger list or info where I came look up for:

Anne Crowe .

I do have her on the Diggers immigration to Vic but am hoping for more information so I can be sure it is a correct link
Thanks
Sue Rob
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 15 May 08 07:49 BST (UK)
Hello  there
and Welcome  to Roots Chat

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23

this  is a link  to the ProVic records  for unassisted  Immigration

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24
as assisted immigrated

regards Jenn
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: andycand on Thursday 15 May 08 07:56 BST (UK)
Hi

Are you in Australia? The passenger lists have been filmed and a available at a couple of pplaces but may not be of much help as they usually didn't give much more than on the index.

If you search on the link from Jenn and just put in the name of the ship and date it will give you the complete passenger list, there may be someone else onboard to help you

Andy





Andy
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: terra on Thursday 15 May 08 08:53 BST (UK)
You need to search detailing the ship as John & Lucy not John and Lucy, otherwise you will get a nil result.  The ship's name and passenger list is on the Assisted Passengers list.  There were 99 passengers on board in 1858 but I can't see Anne CROWE's name.Perhaps the ship made more than one trip in 1858.

May I ask what is the Diggers Immigration to Victoria?  I haven't come across that before.

Terra
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: sue rob on Thursday 15 May 08 13:15 BST (UK)
Hi Terra,
Thanks for the info re writing the dhips name - so easy to make errors when noting items, esp when using search engines.
The 'Diggers' is a name given to several Victorian Family History search  CDs that you can purchase  of BDM's. I luckily was given them, but a lot of gene soc/liraries have them available to use
The info I had was off the Immigration to Vic CD
cheers
Sue
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: terra on Friday 16 May 08 00:55 BST (UK)
I have all the Vic bdm disks but wasn't aware of one called Immigration to Victoria  Lucky you receiving them as a gift - put a bit of a dent in the bank balance when I purchased the series.

Wonder why Anne CROWE's name didn't appear on the PROV Assisted Passengers on the John & Lucy in 1858?

Terra
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: sue rob on Friday 16 May 08 01:03 BST (UK)
Terra,
Where are you situated?
The info I have actually was printed out at the library in Bendigo Vic and the heading is
Digger - Immigration 1852-79
I can't find it on my copy and as you say Anne Crowe is not listed on the internet site
I'm sure she is 'my girl' and now want more info about her to verify some facts.
Sue
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: sarra on Friday 16 May 08 01:12 BST (UK)
Sue,

I will have a look at the manifest for the John & Lucy, later today when I go to my local library.

Terra,
 Anne Crowe's name is on the unassisted shipping index (PROV), John & Lucy.

Sarra
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: andycand on Friday 16 May 08 01:34 BST (UK)
Hi
Quote
You need to search detailing the ship as John & Lucy not John and Lucy

On the PROV site Anne Crowe arrived on the John and Lucy in December 1858. At first searching on the ships name comes up negative but if you put a blank space before the ships name, and select Dec 1858 it brings up all 395 passengers names.

It looks like when the entries  were transcribed the transcriber did not start on the extreme left when typing the ships name.

I just double checked and it doesn't matter whether you use the word and or & both work, but you do need to leave a blank space before commencing the ships name

Andy
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: terra on Friday 16 May 08 01:50 BST (UK)
Thank you Andy - starting to question my searching abilities.  Looked at the complete passenger list and there were only 11 passengers with names commencing with "C" and no CROWE.   Thank you for pointing out the problems.

Sorry Sue for misleading you.

Terra

Edit - Andy it also brings up passengers on the "John Owens" !!!   
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: andycand on Friday 16 May 08 03:51 BST (UK)
Hi Terra

Quote
Looked at the complete passenger list and there were only 11 passengers with names commencing with "C" and no CROWE

I'm puzzled, there are about 50 passengers beginning with the letter "C" including Anne Crowe. If you put in the month Dec and the year, 1858 it just brings up the John and Lucy passengers totalling 395

Andy
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: terra on Friday 16 May 08 05:12 BST (UK)
Hi Terra

Quote
Looked at the complete passenger list and there were only 11 passengers with names commencing with "C" and no CROWE

I'm puzzled, there are about 50 passengers beginning with the letter "C" including Anne Crowe. If you put in the month Dec and the year, 1858 it just brings up the John and Lucy passengers totalling 395

Andy


Andy if you enter John & Lucy [without the space before the ship's  name, as you advised to leave a space] and 1858 it only brings up 99 passengers.  Try it.  I am starting to think I am going bonkers :-[  If you leave a space it brings up 497   Sloppy transcribing.

Terra
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: gennig on Friday 16 May 08 05:14 BST (UK)
Hi

If you want to know if there is anymore information on the passenger list.  You need to access the information at either the State Lib or PROV or somewhere they have the Microfiche.

I am going to the Lib tomorrow, I can check it for you.  Note as it is unassisted immigration there won't be much information.

Regards


Genni
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: andycand on Friday 16 May 08 05:40 BST (UK)
Hi Terra

I think I've worked it out, there are 99 Assisted British Immigration passengers when you don't leave a space and 497 if you leave a space before the ships name. One of those passengers is Anne Crow (without an E)age 21 but I've been looking at the Unassisted Inward Passengers that shows 395 passengers including an Anne Crowe (with an E on the surname)age 22 . It looks she was carrying both Assisted & Unassisted passengers and the Unassisted passengers have been included on both databases. What a mess.

Andy
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: terra on Friday 16 May 08 05:47 BST (UK)
Andy  thank goodness you have worked it out. I was really starting to think I was losing it ;)  I agree...what a mess.  I have noticed on a couple of other occasions what seemed to be the same people listed on both Assisted and Unassisted Passenger lists.

I guess the only answer is to have someone like Gennig who is kind enough to do lookups for people. :)

Cheers
Terra
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: gennig on Friday 16 May 08 06:16 BST (UK)
Hi

I'll check both lists out.
Note: Refs for Ann are
Assisted - Book 13 Page 271
Unassisted - Port B Fiche 155 Page: 002

Reason she is maybe on both lists, she may have paid her own way out and then was contracted by someone in Aus.
Will know more when I see the lists.

Regards


Genni

Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: andycand on Friday 16 May 08 06:49 BST (UK)
Hi

As a matter of interest, it looks like Bendigo Library might also have the Fiche. According to the catelogue they have the Inward Passenger lists on 376 microfiche. This seems too many to just be the indexes.  In fact, looking at the catelogue they have quite a collection of Passenger Lists.

Andy

Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: sarra on Friday 16 May 08 07:05 BST (UK)
Well I was one of those people who thought I was going mad too.

Andy,
Thanks for solving the mystery.

Sue,

I have just looked at the manifest for the John & Lucy, as I said in my earlier post.
This is the unassisted one. Port B  Fiche 155  Page 002.


Anne Crowe....age 22 single...servant, nationality....Irish.

If you can access the Assisted one it's likely to give you more information.

The John & Lucy..sailed from Liverpool, August 24, 1858, arrived Melbourne December 15,1858.

Hope this helps.

Sarra
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: sue rob on Friday 16 May 08 09:48 BST (UK)


I am going to the Lib tomorrow, I can check it for you.  

Thanks Genni that would be great - I really appreciate your offer to look up Anne Crow
Just to know where the ship came from and to and anything else about her.

Could I also ask if you look up:
Mary Abberton  aged 23yrs arrived  on John & Lucy but in Jan 1856 - book 12 page 163
E (Eugene) Dolph aged 25yrs arrived on What Cheer May 1857 pot F fiche 050 page 001
Appreciate if you can't do these last 2 if you have lots to do
Thanks Sue


Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: gennig on Saturday 17 May 08 08:55 BST (UK)
Hi

After my library visit today, information as follows:-

"John & Lucy" Left Liverpool 25th August 1858 and arrived Melbourne 11th December 1858.
Ship's master: William O'Donnell
Ann Crow age: 21 Occupation: General Servant  From: Tipperary Religion: Roman Catholic
Could Read & Write  - gone with Mary Crow 273 Elizabeth Street

"John & Lucy" left Liverpool 19th October 1855 and arrived Geelong 16th Jan 1856
Mary Abberton age: 23 Occupation: Domestic Servant From: Galway Ireland Religion: Roman Catholic
Could neither read nor write.
Contracted by William Curnow, Little Ryrie St on 6th March 16pound 3 months

"What Cheer" left California 3rd April 1857 arrived Melbourne 23rd May 1857
Shop's Master: S C Baker
E Dolph aged: 25 - Cabin Passenger

Regards


Genni
Title: Re: 1858 "ship "John and Lucy" to Aust
Post by: sue rob on Saturday 17 May 08 09:03 BST (UK)
Genni,
many many hugs and thanks for doing those look ups for me. I really appreciate your assistance
as I am just getting over some chemotherapy and the 'head fog 'associated with it.
Now to see if anything fits the puzzle
Sue