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Hi, I'm hoping someone can help me find the birth record (and who his parents were) of Arthur Parton. He was born abt. 1846 in Stottesdon, Shropshire. His mother's name was Elizabeth. He is first seen on the 1851 census living with his mother Elizabeth Parton and Grandmother Mary Parton. Elizabeth is listed as unmarried, so not sure if Parton is her actual maiden name or a married name. She is also listed as Mary's daughter instead of daughter-in-law. Anyway, I have not been able to find any birth record for Arthur and would like to find out who his father was and what Elizabeth's maiden name was. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Jackie
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1841 H0107/922/18 folio 6 page 4 Stottesden Shropshire
Stottesden Village
George Parton age 60 born in county mason
Mary Parton age 60 not born in county
Lydia age 19 born in county
Louisa age 8 born in county
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Thomas Parton age 2 born in county
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George Wilkin age 19 Mason journeyman born in county
1841 Stuttesden Shropshire H0107/922/18 folio 35 page 2
Reg district Cleobury Mortimer
Newtown
The Crockett family Ind all not born in county
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Mary Cheatham age 30 FS
Elizabeth Parton age 20 FS
John Berry age 15 ag lab
James Barnes age 25 Ag lab
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Only birth Arthur Parton June quarter 1845 Wolstanton Staffordshire 17 282
Pam
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I think Elizabeth was not married
here is the Thomas from 1841 living with george and Mary
1851 H0107/ folio page Stottesden Glazeley Shropshire
Joseph Parton age 48 Brick layer Stottesden
Hannah Parton age 38 Stottesden
Thos Parton son age 13 Stottesden
Ellen dau age 10 Stottesden
Elizabeth dau age 8 Middleton Scriven
Eliza dau age 6 Middleton Scriven
George son age 3 Middleton Scriven Shropshire
Harriet dau age 5 months Glazeley
1841 Middleston Scriven Stottesden H0107/922/2 folio 4 page 3
Joseph Parton age 34 Stone Mason all born in county
Hannah age 30
Emma age 6
Maria age 5
Ellen age 1
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Joseph Parton age 12 M S
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1851 H0107/1982 folio 504 page 7 Clee Downtown Ludlow Shropshire
With the Whiteman family
Maria Parton age 17 servant born Stottensden ShropshireThomas Wellings servant
Pam
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hello Are you sure Arthur is Elizabeth's son??
Could Arthur be one of her other childrens child.
If it is the correct family 1841 there is a grandchild Thomas living with them.
Do you have him on any other censuses?
Pam
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Here he is 1871
1871 RG10/2739 folio 63 page 2 Stottesdon Shropshire
Stottesdon
Elizabeth Parton age 50 unmarried Dressmaker Stottesdon
Arthur Parton age 26 son born Stottesdon Shropshire Carpenter
1861 RG9/1847 folio 72 page 7 Stottesdon Shropshire
Stottesdon Village
Elizabeth Parton age 40 unmarried Dressmaker Stottesdon
Arthur son age 15 Carpenter Stottesdon
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Mary Parton age 14 servant to the Bakewells farmers
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James Parton age 36 Stottesdon farm lab
Sarah wife age 36 Olbury
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Day House Cottage
Thomas Parker age 54 Mason
Margaret wife age 52
Ann E dau age 17
Pam
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The civil registration district for Stottesdon would be Cleobury Mortimer. It doesn't look as if the birth was registered but I would check with the local registry office just to be sure. I think Cleobury Mortimer is now covered by Bridgnorth. Even if Elizabeth did register the birth it is just as likely that the father wasn't named on the birth certificate, since Arthur was illegitimate. The same for a baptism. Stottesdon parish registers are not covered by the IGI past 1812.
What information did Arthur give about his father on his marriage? Illegitimate people often legitimised themselves on their marriage if they could by giving a father's name with the same surname as their own but the first name and occupation might be correct. Did Arthur have a middle name on any records you hold? Did he give his children any middle names which might be significant?
e.g.
Births Mar 1876
Parton Joseph Massie Cleobury Mortimer 6a 647
Marriages Jun 1871
Gittins Elizabeth Kidderminster 6c 367
PARTON Arthur Kidderminster 6c 367
Elizabeth is a widow on the 1881 census but that would be for propriety's sake especially since Elizabeth and Arthur are now part of the Gittins family household.
Regards
Valda
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Is no father mentioned on the marriage certiificate?
Arthur Parton married Elizabeth Gittins or Gittings june 1871 Kidderminster 6c 367 hereford and Worcester/Shropshire/Staffordshire/Worcestershire
I would chance the 1846 birth in Staffordshire for Arthur at Wolstanton to see who the mother was and maybe a father.
1881 Stottesdon Shropshire
Malthouse
Arthur Parton age 35 Carpenter employing 2 men Stottesdon
Elizabeth Parton wife age 47 Sidbury Shropshire
Albert A Parton age 9
Amelia Parton dau age 8
Joseph M Parton M son age 5
Nelly S Parton dau age 2
Elizabeth Parton age 63 mother born Stottesdon widow
Elizabeth Gittins age 21 stepdaughter
Job Gitiins age 20 stepson Draper out of employ
William Gittings age 14 stepson
Jeremiah Gittins stepson age 12
Robert Bardley age 23 boarder Carpenter born Cleobury North
William Gittings age 69 boarder Wheelwright widow
Pam
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The censuses consistently show an Arthur Parton the son of Daniel and Elizabeth Parton born circa 1846 in (Smallthorne) Burslem. Burslem registers in Wolstanton registration district. This Arthur was married to Mary and by the 1901 census was a wood sawyer.
Regards
Valda
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When someone is illegitimate you have to be very careful and take any information they give about their father on their marriage with a pinch of salt. If they marry somewhere where their illegitimacy is known in the C19th they nearly always leave the section on their father blank because in legal terms an illegitimate person had no father and the marriage certificate was a legal document.
If they married where their illegitimacy was not known and they could get away with it they usually chose to name a father who showed them as legitimate so he would definitely have to have the same surname as their own. The first name and occupation might be correct or it might not. It could be the details of a close maternal male relative instead or just the same name and occupation of the man himself who was getting married.
I have the marriage certificates of an illegitimate man who married 4 times giving different details each time. His first father had the surname of his step father (who definitely wasn't his father) as his first name - Miles. The second time the details were left blank and the third and fourth times his father was called John and then William. Each time on the three certificates where a father was named the occupation was different. As his status improved so did his father's occupation.
In some respects it is surprising Elizabeth on the 1861 and 1871 censuses gave her status as single. Many women in a similar position state widow for propriety's sake but obviously in 1861 and 1871 all her neighbours knew her position. By 1881 Arthur has moved on and married into the Gittins family. His business prospects have improved - perhaps by marrying an older widow Elizabeth Gittins and taking on a partnership with her aged father of a more established wheelwright and carpentry business? By 1881 Arthur does not want his illegitimate orgins on show and on the 1881 and 1891 censuses his mother is firmly a widow.
Since it is likely that Arthur registers his mother's death it might be interesting to see what information he gives e.g. Elizabeth the widow of ........ again the surname will obviously be Parton but you will be able to cross check any other information against any Arthur gave on his marriage 20 years earlier.
Deaths Sep 1891
Parton Elizabeth 75 Cleobury M. 6a 339
Regards
Valda
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Thank you all for those responses. I don't think the Arthur born in Wolstanton is my Arthur, even though the date and Mother's name adds up. My Arthur is consistently living with his mother in Cleobury Mortimer and he married an Elizabeth, not a Mary. So it seems that Arthur was most likely illegitimate, and Elizabeth Parton was her real name. I suspect that she was the daughter of this George and Mary Parton seen in the 1951 census, as she is then living with mother Mary in 1961. However I can't find any record of birth for her around 1821 in that parish. I've been mostly looking on Ancestry, which i have a subscription for, and the FreeBMD, and Family History IGI. Does anyone know where I can find other birth/marriage records online for this area or do I have to send away for them from the town records office? Will the IGI for Stottesdon ever be updated for later than 1812?
And yes, I am sure that Arthur is Elizabeth's son as I had all that info passed down through my own family sources. No mention that he was illegitimate of course. Seems unlikely that I'll find the real story of Arthur's father. So now perhaps I will just concentrate on verifying Elizabeth's parents and their background.
Thanks, jackie
PS: Thanks Valda for pointing out the middle name "Massie" clue. That's definitely something for me to persue, especially since I don't know a lot about the widow Elizabeth Gittins either! I found a marriage for a Job Gittins and Elizabeth Mapie in Bridgnorth in 1851, but now can't find anything more for an Elizabeth Mapie! Perhaps it was really Massie? Anyway, thanks again.
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Hello Elizabeth Gittins 1871
1871 RG10/27739 folio 64 page 3
Stottensdon
Elizabeth Gittins age 37 widow wheelwright Malster Sidbury Shropshire
Elizabeth dau age 11 children born Stottesdon
Job son age 10
May J dau age 7
William son age 5
Jeremiah son age 2
William Hall boarder age 25
Henry Massie boarder age 21 Malster Alvery Shropshire
Maria price servant age 16
Pam
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1861 Rg9/1847 folio 71 page 5 Stottesdon Shropshire
Job Gittings age 36 Carpenter and Malster Stottesdon Shropshire
Elizabeth age 29 wife Sidbury Shropshire
Elizabeth dau age 1 Stottesdon
Job son age 1 month Stottesdon
Sarah Breachwood age16 unmarried servant
John Jones age 17 Carpenter
Thomas Beddoes servant
Charles Breachwood boarder age 28 mar Carpenter
1851 H0107/1986 folio 43 page 12 Sidbury Shropshire reg district bridgnorth
Elizabeth Massie age 54 head widow farmer of 116 acres Prees Shropshire
Joseph son age 23 farmers son children all born Sidbury
Mary dau age 21
Elizabeth Massie dau age 19 Sidbury Shropshire
Margaret dau age 17
Samuel son age 14
Jane dau age 10
Henry Palmer age 19 servant
Pam
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Wow. That's fabulous Pam! Thank you so much for finding that.
Jackie
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Jackie - how did you get on with history on Elizabeth Parton, if you think she is the daughter of George & Mary - I have further back on them as I am from the line of their son Joseph.
From the Stottesden film - Joseph has a sister Elizabeth - Baptised 25 Oct 1818
elen
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Hi Elen! Yes, I have decided that Elizabeth is the daughter of George and Mary, just based on logical deduction. I had not been able to find a baptism for her but if you have it that would prove it to me even more! I have a whole list of children born to George and Mary, and I have been able to go back pretty far on the Parton side. I think Mary's last name was Tomkins, but I'm not sure about farther back on her side. I'll send you my email in a private message and we can compare notes.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Were you ever able to find a solid answer that you were confident with? I found a few family trees that have Benjamin Parton and Elizabeth Ward as his parents but I am not confident with it. The family tree that we have at the house stops with Arthur Parton who is my 3rd great grandfather.
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Hi, I'm certain Arthur is not the same Arthur as the one born to the couple Benjamin and ELizabeth. I believe his mother Elizabeth Parton was unmarried. She was the daughter of George and Mary Parton living in Stottesdon. I finally sent away for Arthur and Elizabeth Gittings' marriage certificate but that has just created more questions. I can't figure out how to attach it so you can see. Maybe I'll try sending it in a message to you. There is a middle name that I feel could be the true last name. I think it says William Stather or Stother Parton, but it's hard to read. The witnesses are his cousin Alice Margaret Parton and either Alice's father (also Arthur's cousin), or Arthur's Uncle who is Elizabeth's older brother William Parton. They lived in that same parish in Kidderminster where they got married. I'm not sure which William Parton is the witness, but maybe he was pretending his Uncle William was his father??? So it's still a mystery....
Arthur is also my 3rd gr. grandfather, by way of Albert Arthur.
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Ok I can't seem to attach any kind of file. If you want to see the marriage certificate you can pm me your email I can do it that way.
Jackie
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I would love to see that. You must be a cousin of mine. My great grandfather is Dudley Parton, Albert Arthur's son. My name is also Jacqueline. :)
I will PM you my email address as I would be nice to stay in touch.