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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: debandbill on Monday 14 July 08 05:54 BST (UK)
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I am searching for information on my gg grandmother. She emigrated out from Ireland - arriving in Australia with her sister Catherine in August 1857 on the City of Bristol. There seems to be some confusion about the date of her birth as it alternates between 1830 and 1833. In the Dictionary of Western Australians it says that they came from Tipperary - but provides no other details. Tipperary is also listed on her death certificate as being her birth place.
On her death certificate she is named as Julia Maria - but on other references such as the birth of her children etc she is generally called Mary - although sometimes Maria.
Any hints on where to start with this one would be appreciated. There is an IGI reference to her sister Catherine marrying here in Western Australia and their parents are given as Patrick and Mary Doolan - sometimes spelled Dolan. This family is from the Parish of Aglish, Portnahully, Kilkenny. I have been unable to substantiate any of this.
Regards
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
I've just started looking into my cousins Doolan family. I've hit a brick wall whilst trying to prove just who's Doolans are who. It appears they all took flight out of Tipperary around the 1850's as I'm finding them off to the USA, Sydney, Brisbane & now yours off to Perth.
There seems to have been no plans to stick together almost as if they were desperate to get out they just got on the first ship.
Not so ... further research revealed the churches were heavily involved is advising the "not doing so well" of their flock that they should emigrate so all of this family would have gone on this ship whilst those from another parish would have gone elsewhere. This makes me believe that the Doolans were of a rather extended family covering several parishes.
As I learn more of my John Doolan 1831-1899 I'll keep your Julia Maria Doolan in mind.
Rob
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Hi Rob,
I'm looking for my relatives who emigrated from Co. Offaly [then called Kings county] sometime after 1890. Winnyfred and Peter Doolan and their four children Peter, Roseanne, Catherine and Mary Ellen.
Winnyfred had sisters Catherine and Mary and brothers James, Thomas [twins] and Daniel, some or all of these had emigrated to Australia before her.
They may have settled in Sydney and worked in or owned a draper shop, Winnyfred and family may have gone to Perth.
bye for now
Tom.
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Tom,
any approx. ages of the 4 children please.
Maggsie
AND.........
Winnyfred's maiden name
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Tom, did Peter and Winnyfred and the 4 children go to the USA?
Maggsie
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[Winnyfred's husband was Patrick not Peter, my mistake.]
That family went to Australia.
Rose Nell, Mary Doolan, Aunts of my Mother went to New York.
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Winnyfred Doolan married Patrick Doolan June 1883 Kilcormac parish Co. Offaly [Doolan married Doolan]
Peter born Mar 1884
Roseanne Jan 1886
Catherine May 1888
Mary Ellen Jul 1890
Winnyfred and Patrick lived near THe Blue Ball Tullamore Co. Offaly.
They emigrated to Australia sometime after 1890
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Their marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10935/5996184.pdf
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Hi Tom
The Doolans are my cousins family so I don't really have much on them. My Doolans all settled around Glen Innes on top of the ranges in northern NSW.
Solid info is:
John Doolan
b. 1831 London, England
d. 20 Nov 1899 Glen Innes, NSW, Australia
m. Quinn, Rosanna 27 Dec 1876 Furracabad, NSW, Australia (Glen Innes)
About Doolan, John
Was a farmer at Furracabad, NSW
Died 1899 Glen Innes aged 68 NSW BDM 13127/1899
Possibly arrived in Sydney on the David McIver 19th May 1852 aged 20 with his brother & sister Mary aged 18 who married John Flinne in 1862 at Scone. Their children are in the name of Flinn.
The David McIver passenger list (Reel 2136, [4/4790] Page 176; Reel 2463, [4/4923]) shows them as:
DOOLAN John 20
DOOLAN Mary 18
DOOLAN William 24
Death Citation
NSW Births Deaths Marriages
(Direct & primary evidence)
Date: 1899
Text: NSW BDM 13127/1899
Marriage (m. Quinn, Rosanna) Citation
NSW Births Deaths Marriages
(Direct & primary evidence)
Date: 1876
Text: NSW BDM 4470/1876
I hope they fit somewhere in with your Doolans
Good luck with your search
Rob
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Okay my Doolans are apparently a generation before yours.
Because of the years I originally thought convicts however I failed to find a match and then found the "David McIver" passenger record where he was an Assisted Immigrant. No doubt it was from this where I found his birthdate and place.
I have learnt not to totally trust the info here as it is there to please any employers or the group bringing them out.
Your Doolans to Sydney are also likely to be Assisted Immigrants so you may find them arriving here by searching here
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/search_form?id=9
Good Luck
Rob
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Hi Rob,
where did your Doolans come from? when did they arrive?
thanks for the help.
Tom.
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I've just found a Daniel Doolan who arrived in Sydney in 1858 aboard the Forest Monarch, and Catherine and Mary Doolan arrived in Sydney aboard the Star of Brunswick in 1865, not sure but they're probably my ancestors.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?
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Yep ... you possibly have them but there were a few Doolans that settled in Australia including convicts. I've often thought that other family members made their way out here to avoid the famine especially when somebody was already here and writing home (a freed convict).
Amongst the convicts there are 8 Doolans and a couple using the name as an alias so now take a look at https://convictrecords.com.au/
Now I don't know what you know of Australia and convicts so here are some hints. Generally the hardened criminals were sent anywhere else but Sydney (I did say generally)
Van Diemans Land is Hobart Tasmania
Moreton Bay is Brisbane Queensland
Prior to 1851 all the records for Melbourne Victoria are found on the NSW State Records
The online records at NSW State Records can be found at https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Births Deaths & Marriages is http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/tracing-your-family-tree.aspx
All are free
Rob
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Ship Forest Monarch - Arrived Sydney - 21 Dec 1858
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4795/Forest%20Monarch_21%20Dec%201858/4_479500393.jpg&No=9
Lists Daniel Doolan
age 23
Farm Labourer
Kings County
Roman Catholic
Can read & write
In the remarks column it has RR like all the others in the list
Ship Star of Brunswick - Arrived Sydney - 18 Dec 1865
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4789/Star%20of%20Brunswick_18%20Dec%201865/4_478900057.jpg&No=9
Listed as Single females not being members of families
Mary Doolan
Age 25
Domestic Servent
Native Place ... Willougby Kings Co
Roman Catholic
Can read & Write
Catherine Doolan
Age 22
Domestic Servent
Native Place ... Willougby Kings Co
Roman Catholic
Can read & Write
Ellen Doolan
Age 15
Native Place ... Willougby Kings Co
Roman Catholic
Can read & Write
Sorry I could not find where the ships left from on these records
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Hi all,
This is why I asked about the USA.
I saw this.........
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Apatrick%20%2Bsurname%3Adoolan%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aireland%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3Awinnifred~
There maybe 2 families with the same names.
Maggsie
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Also just noticed from the actual ship record ........
Mary Doolan
Age 25
Domestic Servent
Native Place ... Willougby Kings Co
Roman Catholic
Can read & Write
the actual ship record reads.........
Killoughey , which is half way between Tullamore and Roscrea.
These are the Parish records if they were Catholic.
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0903
Maggsie
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Oh the errors we make when trying to make haste.
Apart from my typo where I left out the "h" ... I did misread the name as Willoughby which is the name of a suburb not far from here in Sydney.
With hand written text I will have to slow right down and look instead of trusting what the mind wants me to see.
Thank you Maggsie for being on the ball.
I'm still grinning though.
Rob
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Oh the errors we make when trying to make haste.
Apart from my typo where I left out the "h" ... I did misread the name as Willoughby which is the name of a suburb not far from here in Sydney.
With hand written text I will have to slow right down and look instead of trusting what the mind wants me to see.
Thank you Maggsie for being on the ball.
I'm still grinning though.
Rob
My Mother is Mary Doolan from Killoughy parish.Oh the errors we make when trying to make haste.
Apart from my typo where I left out the "h" ... I did misread the name as Willoughby which is the name of a suburb not far from here in Sydney.
With hand written text I will have to slow right down and look instead of trusting what the mind wants me to see.
Thank you Maggsie for being on the ball.
I'm still grinning though.
Rob
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Hi Tom
You asked me earlier "where did your Doolans come from? when did they arrive?" which had me double checking my findings.
To this question I have no proof whatsoever so I have been checking.
From the death & marriage records I have no parents names but I can establish a approx birth date of 1831.
From the Assisted Immigrants records I find a John Doolan arrived Sydney on the David McIver 1852 with a recorded age of 20 which indicates a birth year of 1832 so one can presume that I have the correct John Doolan.
My records reveal a birth in London however I have found nothing to support this so for now it is not proven. Looking at the shipping records of the David McIver It departed Liverpool and went to Plymouth before heading to Australia.
Unfortunately at present I can not access our Australian "Assisted Immigrants list" to find the image from the actual register (1852 David McIver) to double check things but it could be simply something in my upgrade to Win 10 so possibly somebody else may find his "Native Place" from the record https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/assisted-immigrants-digital-shipping-lists
I do know they were Catholic and with the name Doolan I expect it will be Ireland.
Rob
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Hi Rob,
maybe you already know that no records for Catholic birth deaths and marriages were kept before 1829 [maybe a few] so if John Doolan was born in Ireland after that date, there should be a record.
Thanks to Daniel O'Connell's Catholic emancipation that changed after 1829.
If your Doolans came from England, I presume they have records pre 1829.
How would I find a death record for Daniel Doolan? whats the fee?
Bye for now
Tom.
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While it true there isn't many registers before 1829 it would be an error to believe all registers survive after 1829.
There is a fairly good sum up here
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Roman-Catholic-baptism.html
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Tom
To find the basic death info in Australia for anybody is free and easy. For New South Wales simply Google "NSW BDM" whose link I provided earlier. Then choose "Family History" ... Take a quick read so you know that for privacy and identity theft purposes deaths are only shown to 30 years ago (Births are 100 years ago).
Click "Start Searching"
I've just done a quick search and found a Daniel Doolan that died 1903 in Mudgee aged 65yrs which indicates a birth year of 38 by my quick calculations. (registration No 6865/1903) If that is him you can purchase the full record which may reveal his parents and place of birth.
Now I usually use Google Earth or Maps to take a look around to actually see where places are in relation to each other.
The other place I'd look is "austcemindex.com" but it is mainly a headstone search. A quick look reveals
Doolan Daniel 8 Jul 1965 85 Rookwood Catholic NSW Lwn 2 1258
Doolan Daniel 3 Jun 1958 73 Rookwood Catholic NSW M2 20, 2094
Rookwood is on the other side of my suburb so I could always give you photos.
Rob
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Well this search has fired up my need for information on my John Doolan so not to take over this discussion and confuse things I'll continue as a new topic.
Rob
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Hello......
I just spotted John Doolan aged 20 on the DavidMcIvor.
this is what I saw
DOOLAN William A 16 1852 24 Tubbrid John / Bridget living in Tubrid None . R.C. {also John,20} Ship = David McIver
Tubbrid is south of Cahir.
I hope this is a help.
Maggsie
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Other thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=771858.msg6247388#msg6247388
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No need for new thread so and wasting people's time!!
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Hi Rob, that probably is the Daniel Doolan I'm looking for, although he would have been aged 69 in 1903, not a big difference from age recorded as 65. For some reason I can't find him on BDM website, I'll have to come back to that later.
I've done a marriage search for Catherine and Mary and found nothing in Australia, to search National Archives I need to know spouse name, so where should I go from here?
Have you found out anymore about the Doolans of Tubrid Tipperary? I looked through phone book yesterday and found no Doolans in Tubrid.
Incidentally I think there are more Doolans in Australia than anywhere else in the world.