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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: sarahneil on Sunday 11 April 04 21:26 BST (UK)
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Hi I am looking for a little help. Well actually a BIG help. I have been told that Richard Trevithicks wife Jane Harvey is an ancestor of mine. Obviously one of her brothers is my ggx? grandfather.
As three of her four brothers died in their 20's, I'm sort of guessing that it may be her youngest brother Henry (but obviously I could be wrong).
My question is this - does anyone out there either know if Janes family has been researched and published or if not give me any clues on how I can fill the gap between Henry bn 1775 to my GG grandfather William Harvey who was born in London in 1843?
Many thanks
Sarah Neil
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Hello Sarah,
Your Grandfather William Harvey, have you already found a birth Certificate or Marriage certificate for him yet?
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No - all I know is that he was born in London in 1843. There are quite a few that were born and I don't know anything other than his name - so I don't know how to eliminate the ones which aren't him!
Any help/ideas appreciated!
Sarah
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Hello Sarah,
What information do you already have which leads you to his date of birth of 1843?
Have you looked for him in the census returns?
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Sarah,
I found a Richard Trevithick around the right age in Cornwall, could this be him ?
Richard TREVITHICK Head M Male 37 St Erth, Cornwall, England Corn Merchant
Fanny TREVITHICK Wife M Female 35 North Curry, Somerset, England
William P. TREVITHICK Son U Male 13 Phillack, Cornwall, England Scholar
John H. TREVITHICK Son Male 9 Phillack, Cornwall, England Scholar
Bessie R. TREVITHICK Daur Female 7 Phillack, Cornwall, England Scholar
Mary B. UREN Servant U Female 26 Uny Lelant, Cornwall, England Housemaid Domestic Serv
Hester HOSKING Servant U Female 24 Phillack ((Hayle)), Cornwall, England Cook Domestic Serv
The Hollies
St Erth, Cornwall, England
RG11/2339 Folio 91 Page 17
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The info I have regarding William Harvey's date of birth is from the 1871 census. This tells me that he was 28 and born St Pancras. All efforts to trace his birth through the registry office have proved fruitless.
Re Richard Trevithick. The info you gave me is not the correct one. My Richard Trevithick was born 13 April 1771 and died 22 April 1833 his wife Jane Harvey was born 25 June 1772 and died 21 March 1868. It is one of her brothers that is the link I am looking for. There are 3 possibilites but as the name is so prolific I am having real problems tracking from them to my William. That is why I was hoping details of her family - bearing in mind the link with someone as famous as Richard Trevithick might have already been researched.
I do know that the Harvey family were at the time of Jane's marriage to Richard one of the the most affluent and influential families in Cornwall.
Any ideas gratefully received!!
Sarah
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Hi just browsing and saw your old query regarding trying to link William Harvey to Jayne Harvey wife of Richard Trevithick.
I expect you did a bit of detective work in "familysearch" by searching on the parents names of Jayne Harvey [John and Joanna], and came up with a number of children born in Carnhell, Cornwall to these parents to include:
Jayne b 25.6.1772
Henry c 3.9.1775
Francis b 31.3.1765 and d 15.8.1767
Francis b 5.10.1767
Joanna 5.2.1757
William 31.1.1763
William 19.11.1758 [must have died]
John 24.8.1760
Elizabeth 25.4.1779
The same for your St Pancras birth of William Harvey shows that the following children were all christened on the same day and have the same parents [Henry and Susan/Susannah] - so seems an undoubtable link:
William born 9.11.1842 Christened 7.3.1847 at St Peter, Saint Pancras, London
Edward Born 19.8.1840 Christened as above
Susan born 31.8.1838 and christened as both above
There are also another two names:
Henry christened 23.7.1837 at St Leonards Shoreditch and John born 11.8.1843 and christened at St Leonards on 11.9.1843 who alsi have the same parental names of Henry and Susan/Susannah
Su
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Thanks for taking the time to find out that info for me, it is much appreciated.
Sarah
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Hi Sarah
I don't know if this is of any interest, or whether you've already seen it:
It's a long time since this message was posted however hopefully we can still establish contact. I am descended from Henry Harvey of Hayle, brother of Jane who married Richard Trevithick. I purchased over the internet a 2ndhand copy of the book "Henry Harvey of Hayle" by Edmund Vale which gives a family tree on the inside cover. Henry Harvey never married so nothing is shown of his descendants in the book however he had a common law wife, Grace Tonkin(g) by whom he had 10 children. All the children were baptised with Harvey as their middle name and he provided for Grace and the children in a separate trust. Grace and the children lived in Mellenear House, Hayle.
Henry added a "g" to the Tonkin name in order to distinguish Grace's family from others of the same name. Grace was the daughter of Thomas Tonkin. I have a little more information to share if you are interested
So it would seem, from this information, that Henry Harvey's children's surname was Tonking and not Harvey. So, could it be that Henry Harvey and William Harvey aren't related?
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Hi Sarah
Just found this site so hope this isn't too late to help. I bought another book by Edmund Vale-'Harveys of Hayle' off the internet and inside the cover there's family trees for John Harvey (Jane's father) and Richard Trevithick. John Harvey is my 4/? great uncle as his sister Sarah is my 4/?G grandmother. So I guess we are cousins of some sort! regards Chrissie
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Sorry Welsh_Angel, I meant to include you in this reply! Chrissie
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Just in case it helps somebody ;)
I doubted immediately that a man born 1775 was the father of children born in the 1840s, and the list of baptisms MarMknly gave showing parents inconsistent with what is known of Henry 1775 seems to settle that question.
These are that family in the 1841 census in St Pancras:
H Harvey, 35, carpenter (as William was in 1871)
? Harvey, 25 (Anc'y transcribes name as Lewesia but ...)
Henry, 9
James, 6
Susan, 3
Edward, 1
Edward is the only one in the family born in county, and of course it doesn't tell us where the others were born.
I've had no luck finding them in 1851 or 1861. In 1871, William is married to a Jane, so that marriage certificate is where the search has to start, to confirm his father's name and details. (And if the marriage can't be identified, a birth certificate for one of their children, to get the mother's full name. Fortunately, they had a son named Augustus born in Islington. ;) )
If only all the stories about our ancestors were true ... I'd have a title other than "Ms." now. ;)
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One of my relatives, William Husband, was managing director of Harveys of Hale and lived next door to Jane Trevithick in 1861.
I thought I had some information on the Harvey family but can't find it. However, there is a tree with the details of William but it doesn't seem to tie in with him being descended from Henry of 1775. William's birth is given as 16th June 1842 in St Pancras but he was baptised in Camden on 7th March 1847. Note that Familysearch gives the birth as 9th November 1842.
According to the tree, his parents were Henry Harvey, 1805 in St Levan to 1873 in Islington, and Susannah Millan, 1803 in Perranwell (Perranarworthal?) to 1847.
Henry's parents are given as Humphrey Harvey, 1762-1822, and Maria Eva, 1766-1851. There is no Jane Harvey in the family.
His second marriage, 16th November 1847 in Perranarworthal to Ann Bawden, gives his father as Humphrey Harvey. His residence is given as St Pancras - http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=506778
One of the witnesses at his first marriage was George Eva, which ties in with his mother's surname.
David
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Henry's "second marriage, 16th November 1847 in Perranarworthal to Ann Bawden"
-- ah, that explains the William I had glanced at in Islington in the 1861 census then. If I had pursued it and looked at the details and the original image ...
Henry Harvey, 56, carpenter, born Camborne, Cornwall
> Ann, 57, born Perranarworthal, Cornwall
Susan, 22 (not 27 as transcribed at Anc'y), tailoress, born London, Clerkenwell
William, 19, carpenter, born London, Clerkenwell
And the full complement in 1851 in St Pancras is:
Henry Harvey, 46
Ann, 48
Henry W, 19, born Camborne
Thomas, 17
Edward, 14
William, 10
James, 8
Emma Kent, 14, visitor, born Perranwell
Henry W is actually Ann's son with her previous husband William Bawden:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1478546
although hm, her marriage to Henry Harvey states she was a spinster, father James; baptism:
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=814907
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Trevithick, Richard must be a somewhat common name in Cornwall. I have one born abt 1855 in Calstock to William and Susan Trevithick. Richard's sister, Selina, married a Charles Thomas. Their oldest daughter married one of my ancestors who emigrated to the US from Liverpool. Selina and her daughter, Thurza, were both born in Calstock. Thurza married Albert Henry Dawe. The couple settled in western Michigan. Just adding another Richard to the discussion. RedFox
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Trevithick
what an interesting surname
Trevithick was involved with Vivian regarding Steam Engines and carriages , written about by Elijah C E Galloway in a book called "The history of the steam engine"
for which there were some court cases. There are numerous entries of Richard Trevithick circa 1872 ., who was written about with folk like Sir Christopher Hawkins.
I have extracted this >
TREVITHICK, Francis. See ante ii, 798. Chief
engineer and manager of L. & N.W.R. Co's
engineering works at Crewe, d. The Cliff,
Penzance 27 Oct. 1877. bur. The Cemetery 2
Nov. cf The Academy xii, 448 (1877).
TREVITHICK, Richard. See ante ii, 799-800.
cf. A concise account of steam carriages (Lond.
Simpkin 1834) passim; Will. Pole's Sir Will.
Fairbairn (1877) pp. 258-60; F. Whymper's
The Sea (Lond. CassellJ ii, 96 with portrait ; Cat.
of portraits in museum of commissioners of patents
(Lond. 1859) pp. 27, 35, 37.
Life of Richard Trevithick C.E. and Life of
George Stephenson C. E. By Hyde Clarke esq.
[Lond.] n.d. [1849?] 8°. pp. 23. Clockmakers
Library in Guildhall Lib. London. The life of R.
Trevithick is on pp. 1-11.
Trevithick's Engine for thrashing corn made
at Hayle foundry in 1811 for Sir Christopher
Hawkins shewn at the Royal Agricultural Show
at Kilburn 1879. The Engineer xlvii, 424, 441,
448 (1879) with view.
Note.—An engraving of this Engine on a fol. sh.
was made at the expense of Rich. Bissell Prosser of the
Trade Marks registration office 1879.
Account of the explosion on 15 Sep. 1803 of
a steam engine, erected by Messrs. Vivian and
Trevithick near Woolwich. Repertory of Arts
iii, 394 (1803).
Hand transcribed from > Bibliotheca Cornubiensis
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