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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: Kiwi007 on Saturday 13 September 08 09:54 BST (UK)
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Hello List,
I am helping someone find their Scottish ancestors and have found the birth of William Watson BARRIE b late 1859 in Arbroath.
His parents were James BARRIE b 1807, a mariner, and Elizabeth KEIL b 1816.
William had lots of siblings born from 1836 but I think I only found 2 in 1841- if I have the right family..Elizabeth 25, Betsy and a Jean ( although Jean might be Helen Christie BARRIE b late 1850 ). There seems to be relationships with the CLARK, TULLIS and CHRISTIE families
I would love to find William in 1861 to see who else is around, and then maybe work back from that. William later emigrated to Queensland Australia.
many thanks for any help
Kiwi007
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Hello
These would appear to be the 9 children born to your couple - all from the IGI - re-arranged in birth order
1. BETSY CLARK BARRY Birth: 07 NOV, 1836 Ch: 14 NOV 1836 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
2. JANE KEIR BARRY - Birth: 01 Nov 1840, Ch: 11 NOV 1840 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
3. MARGARET KEEL BARRIE Birth: 05 MAR, 1842 ch. 09 Mar 1842 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
4. JAMES BARRIE Birth: 14 NOV 1844, Ch: 19 NOV 1844 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
5. ANN TULLIS BARRIE Birth: 25 OCT 1847, Ch: 10 NOV 1847 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
6. HELEN CHRISTIE BARRIE Birth: 04 NOV 1850, Ch: 27 NOV 1850 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
7. DAVID SMITH BARRIE Male Birth: 17 MAR 1854, Ch: 30 MAR 1854 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
8. JOHN LOUSON BARRIE Birth: 09 JUN 1856 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
9. WILLIAM WATSON BARRIE Birth: 31 DEC 1859 Arbroath, Angus, Scotland
Regards, Steve :O)
To get further back on the Barrie line - you would have to go to the ppv site.www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. free to register. £6 buys 30 credits.
6 credits will get you James Barries death entry. Which should give you both parents names - assuming the informant knew them. there is only one James Barrie dying between 1859 and 2006 who was born in 1807.
There is also only one Elizabeth Barrie dying born 1816 - after 1859. Does not show is you enter Keil or variants in the 'other surname box. Another 6 credits.
FYI - You probably have it, but there are 'extracted' marriage records on the IGI for James and Elizabeth in Novemebr 1834. Looks as though it was recorded in 2 parishes - the grooms and brides?
Also found the same record for Elizabeth, Betsy and Jean. As James wasn't around - at sea?
At the same time in Arbroath there was another family headed by a James Barrie in Arbroath - but his wife was an Ann Doig.
Lastly, for a coupe of the children the mothers sunrname seems to have been spent Kell - probably a transcription error from the IGI - or just how someone heard it.
Hopefully, if someone coming up trumps with some census records - it'll make a big difference... :O)
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Hi Steve,
Many thanks for all that info -I think Heather has James' death as 1885 but she has other info a bit muddled. I have managed to find her some Queensland clues as well which should help put her in the right direction!
I presume James was at sea in 1841 - it looks like Elizabeth was living with some cousins - the CHRISTIES - husband probably a mariner as well
I will suggest she joins Scotlands people as that is the only sensible thing for her to do. I thought some people had Ancstry.com who could have looked them up in 1851 and 1861 - I think I spotted the correct William in 1861 but I don't have a subscription
Many thanks again for your help
Kiwi
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Hi Kiwi
This looks like the family in 1851 - everyone showing as born in Arbroath:
James Barrie 40, seaman
Elizabeth Barrie 36
Betsy Barrie 14
Jane Barrie 10
Margrat Barrie 8
James Barrie 6
Ann Barrie 3
Helen Barrie 5 Months
Address: Ann Street , Arbroath
And the family (surname mis transcribed on the index) in 1861:
Elizabeth Bauie 46, ship owner's wife, b. St Vigeans, Forfarshire
Margaret Bauie 18
James Bauie 16
Jane Bauie 13
Helen Bauie 10
David Bauie 7
John Bauie 5
William Bauie 1
Address: 33 Ann Street , Arbroath
Monica :)
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Hello,
Found the Barrie family in 1851 and James in 1861 - on a ship as Steve suggested - but can't see any of others in 1861 - perhaps someone else will be able to find them for you?.
1851
at Ann Street, Arbroath
(All born in Arbroath)
James Barrie 40 b.1811 Seaman
Elizabeth Wife 36 b.1815
Betsy Dau 14 b.1837 Scholar
Jane Dau 10 b. 1841 " "
Margrat [sic] Dau b.1843 " "
James Son 6 b. 1845 " "
Ann Dau 3 b.1848 [Scholar as well!]
Helen Dau 5 months b.1851
(No Christies, Tullis or Clarks on the page of people living nearby)
1861
James Barrie 50 b.1811 Arbroath Master Seaman
Vessels:
Reg. district: Falkirk Landward
County: Stirlingshire
ED [sorry, don't know what ED stands for]; " Industrious"
Others on the vessel (lots are under "NK" name unknown) - have ED's given as "Sophia" - could be the last vessel sailed in???
Oh, some NK's are from Prussia and one's occupation is "Harpoon"
breaky
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Thank you Monica & Breaky.!
I am thrilled to bits to find so many of the family in censuses - I thought lots of them must have died young.
I think Betsy married James Smith FORREST n 1863 - cannot find any children on IGI though.
Margaret may have married Fank LEGGEAT in 1862 - had a son 2 months later...but I cannot find any more marriages - perhaps if anyone is still in the mood,an 1871 census search may clarify some of thes mysteries!!
In any event, I am most grateful for the help you have all given.
Cheers
Kiwi
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Kiwi
Can't see Betsy and James Forrest or Margaret and Frank Leggeat in 1871 :-\ When did William leave for Australia? Could other family members also have traveled with him I wonder?
Added: Just checked deaths on SP. There is a possible death for Margaret Barrie/Leggeat in Angus in 1869.
Monica
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Hi Kiwi
Pardon me for sticking my big nose in, but I am an descendant of William Watson Barrie, he was my grt grandfather. I have quite a bit of information now on his family and the family he left behind in Arbroath, Scotland. My name is also Heather and I find it extremely interesting there are other relations out there researching the family tree. If you are interested I have info regarding James Barries' master mariner records. The work I have done so far, is by no means completed, most of it I have gleaned from Scotlands People website and from other distant relatives and researchers. I still have a lot of work to do at the Queensland State Library and State Archives, but only when I can get the spare time!
regards
Heather :)
ps. i did send a post to rootsweb/mariners on the 12th of this month. Are you part of this?
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Hi folks
i also have Jane Keir Barrie marrying Alexander Esplin in 1865. (canvas tapper?) Jane was a canvas powerloom weaver. Cant find any other detail as yet for the other siblings. William Watson Barrie did marry Mary Ann Elizabeth Wright in 1885 in Townsville. They had 8 Children,their first William Jnr born in 88 and died in 89. My grandfather john alfred born in 1890 and died around 1964/65. David born in 1892, James Forrest in 1894 and died in 99. another william born in 97, Mary born in 1902 and Philip Watsford Barrie born in 1904 and died in 1934.
if you have any other info i would be interested in hearing.
There are conflicting stories about the age of Williams mother, Elizabeth Keil, I have been told 1804 and 1815 and 1816 as her dob. I also cannot find her death certificate. I know she died somewhere between 1865-1867 as James remarried as widower to Mary Brown in 1867. After James's death in 1885 she ran the house as a boarding house. And thats all i have at this stage. but some comfirmation of her DOB and death details would be fabulous. Tried the scotlandspeople web site and spent many a pound looking up the wrong records due to the variations of spelling her maiden name Keil and surname, Barrie.
cheers
Heather
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I think Betsy married James Smith FORREST n 1863 - cannot find any children on IGI though.
Cheers
Kiwi
Hi,
My wife is a descendant of James & Betsy FORREST (nee Barrie). As far as we know, they were married 17 Feb 1863, & then migrated to Australia. They settled in southern New South Wales and had the following children:-
Elizabeth Agnes 1864 - 1944
Alexander James 1865 - 1947
William Barrie 1869 - 1925
Harold John 1870 - 1942
Alice Annie Skein 1873 - 1895
Lillian Vida 1877 - 1949
Abbreviating further history,
Harold John married Agnes Maria Roberts in 1899. They had the following children
Vera May 1901 - 1954
Herbert Robert James 1905 - 1964
Marie Minnie 1919 - 1990
My wife is a granddaughter of Vera May, & her husband John James Hepburn. We would like to find further info on the Barrie family in Scotland & in Aus. We understand William Watson Barrie lived in Townsville, QLD as a light house keeper??????
Alan
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William watson barrie is my great great grandfather.
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I am william watson barries great great grandson descended through john alfred barrie. Then another john alfred barrie. Then another. ..my dad. Then me. We hold the model of the ship he came across on... the Omara...which he built and is handed on from the oldest son to the oldest son. We have a family picture of his family. I work at Brisbane Grammar School if you want to track me down. We grandfathets younger brother Noel served and survived ww2 with 466 squadron bomber command. My grandfather enlisted but was not allowed to go as he was in charge of the wharves at Townsville which were under threat by Japan
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Hi Heather. Distant cousin!!!! You in Qld?
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Hi
I haven't been on rootschat for ages and forget to even check! I am interested in contacting Alan who's wife is related to James and Betsy Forrest (nee Barrie) and would love to have some information on this couple to add to my family history. This family must have been in touch with the Barrie's in Townsville as my father's older sister was named Vida! (which is Lillian's middle name?)
regards
Heather B :)
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I think Betsy married James Smith FORREST n 1863 - cannot find any children on IGI though.
Cheers
Kiwi
Hi,
My wife is a descendant of James & Betsy FORREST (nee Barrie). As far as we know, they were married 17 Feb 1863, & then migrated to Australia. They settled in southern New South Wales and had the following children:-
Elizabeth Agnes 1864 - 1944
Alexander James 1865 - 1947
William Barrie 1869 - 1925
Harold John 1870 - 1942
Alice Annie Skein 1873 - 1895
Lillian Vida 1877 - 1949
Abbreviating further history,
Harold John married Agnes Maria Roberts in 1899. They had the following children
Vera May 1901 - 1954
Herbert Robert James 1905 - 1964
Marie Minnie 1919 - 1990
My wife is a granddaughter of Vera May, & her husband John James Hepburn. We would like to find further info on the Barrie family in Scotland & in Aus. We understand William Watson Barrie lived in Townsville, QLD as a light house keeper??????
Alan
Hi Alan
Would be interested to discuss further with you. I am William Watson's great grand daughter and he was the Harbour Pilot at Townsville not light house keeper. He also was a master mariner.
My grandfather was born in Townsville and so was my dad however they both moved to Brisbane around 1925/26. William Watson Barrie had also moved to Brisbane by this time with his wife and other younger children but died in 1926. I don't think he was a well man. His wife Mary, died in 1940 and his youngest son Philip died in 1934 age 30. Can give you more information if you like, you can contact me at (*)
regards
Heather
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Heather Barrie, sorry for the delay in replying. Apparently the moderator removed your email due to Rootschat policy. I have to do 2 more posts before I can use Personal Messenger. This is the first one
Alan
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Heather, thanks for the corrections/clarifications to our info about William Watson BARRIE.
Alan :)
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I also am William Watson Barrie's great great great grandson