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Title: Salkind Family
Post by: tarajobrien on Tuesday 13 April 04 01:51 BST (UK)
Hi
just wondering if anyone has the Salkind family in their tree? They seem to have come from around Norwich and North Walsham.

my connection is Dinah Rachel Salkind b 1858 Norwich.

i know her parents are Hannah Harris (maybe born in Poland - not proven) and Simon Salkind, but i cant find any birth, marriage or death certificate.  There is a Simon and Hannah Salkind and many children in the 1851 census, but i need 1861 census to connect Dinah to them, and there do not seem to appear on the 1881 census.

The Salkinds all seemed to have quite large familys so there must be someone out there


Tara
Title: Re:Salkind Family
Post by: JudyLou on Tuesday 01 June 04 04:12 BST (UK)
Hello Tara,

I am not of any assitance to you except that I am a Salkind, daughter of Henry and granddaughter of Isadore.  I know nothing more than that except that Isadore may have come from Poland or Russia and id have siblings that are unidentified.  I am willing to join forces in our search as perhaps we may be able to assist one another.

JudyLou
Title: Re:Salkind Family
Post by: tarajobrien on Tuesday 01 June 04 08:23 BST (UK)
Hi JudyLou

I know Simon Salkind was born in london but before that i don't know yet. Someone did suggest poland or russia to me so that is the best place to look at the moment - just have to work out where to look!! But his wife was from poland so that is probably the best place to look for family.

i just went to
http://www.familysearch.org/
and got the following on Isadore, is this your Isadore???

Isadore SALKIND  
    Birth Date: 9 Feb 1914  
    Death Date: 2 Jan 2003  
    Social Security Number:  126-22-1482  
    State or Territory Where Number Was Issued:  New York
 
  Death Residence Localities
    ZIP Code: 94611  
    Localities:  Oakland, Alameda, California
  Piedmont, Alameda, California
 


Keep in touch
will let you know how my research goes :)
Tara
Title: Re:Salkind Family
Post by: JohnCourt1 on Wednesday 23 June 04 00:40 BST (UK)
I am decended from (sort of) Solomon Salkind (I think he was the eldest son of Simon (who married the Polish Hannah).

I can't see where Dinah Rachel fits in - is she Solomons much youger sister, or perhaps is very eldest child?

Anyway, I only have information from the 1851, 1881, 1891, and 1901 censuses (the same as probably you do), and have no birth death or marriage certificates (other than the marrigae certificate of Philip Salkind - son of Solomon, to my GGrand Mother)

The main reason for this is that it is very likely that I am not blood-related to the Salkinds at all. My grand-father was 'born out of wedlock' to a bar-maid. The bar-maid then married Philip Salkind (son of Solomon). It is not likley that he was the father, and so I have not pursued it too much.

I assume your Dinah was the one who married Walter or George Carr in 1879.

Sorry I can't be of more assistance, but they did had massive families didn't they  :o
Title: Re:Salkind Family
Post by: tarajobrien on Thursday 24 June 04 00:10 BST (UK)
Hi John

wow - someone that is almost related to me :) (maybe)

yeh Solomon is the oldest son, but i need 1861 census  to prove Dinah is in the family, but SKS is looking up Dinah birth record at NRO for me and that should have a mothers name as I have her fathers name from marriage to Walter Carr. Dinah is my 2nd great grandmother. Father's occupation is similiar to what the 1851 census says, but doesn't state deceased on the certificate in 1879 - but he would be nearly 80. There doesn't seem to be too many Simon Salkinds around so hopefully i have the right one. I have seen a photo of Dinah, her sister Amelia Frances(younger), and a few brothers - no idea who the brothers are (they look very similar).

Would like to know what happened to Simon and Hannah Salkind they seemed to have disappeared, Simon was quite a bit older so probably had died by 1871 and Hannah maybe also died from having too  many children?

Tracing further back will be difficult though as I'm sure that Simon Salkind's ancestry probably originated from Russia or Poland.

thanks for writing - good to hear that there is someone out there who has heard of my family.

Tara
Title: Re:Salkind Family
Post by: SWEBB on Sunday 27 June 04 07:40 BST (UK)
Dinah's birth is recorded in the September quarter of 1858 Norwich Volume 4b Page 93.
Her marriage to Walter CARR is recorded in the June quarter of 1879 Strand, London Volume 1b Page 909. The actual date was 12 April 1879 at St Clement Danes, Westminster.
In 1881 census she and Walter are living in 80 Lambeth Road, Southwark
Walter CARR aged 34 Manufacturing Engineer born Lambeth
Dinah CARR aged 19 ( she was really 23) born Norwich
Alexander CARR aged 1 son born Duke St Adelphi Middx
In 1891 they are in 3 Marlborough Villas, Marlborough Road, Tottenham
Walter CARR aged 44 Engineer born Lambeth
Dinah CARR aged 30 wife born Norwich
Alexander CARR aged 9 son born St Martin in the Hill, London
Cyrus CARR aged 5 son born Holborn
Sydney CARR aged 1 son born Tottenham
In 1901 they are in Earlham Place, Wood Green, Middlesex
Walter CARR aged 54 Engineer born ?
Dinah CARR aged 40 born Norwich
Alexander CARR aged 21 Cabinet Maker born London
Sidney CARR aged 11 born London
Violet CARR aged 7 born London
In 1851 there seems to be only one SALKIND family in Norfolk and that is Simon & Hannah as you have already said.
1851- Tooley Street, Norwich St Mary Coslany
Simon SALKIND aged 49 Furniture Broker & General Dealer born London
Hannah SALKIND aged 35 wife born Poland
Harriet SALKIND aged 13 daughter School Teacher born Norwich
Solomon SALKIND aged 12 son born North Walsham
Esther SALKIND aged 10 daughter born North Walsham
Saul SALKIND aged 8 son born North Walsham
Samuel SALKIND aged 6 son born North Walsham
David SALKIND aged 5 son born Norwich
Rebecca SALKIND aged 1 daughter born Norwich
They are not living in Tooley Street in 1861 and are not in the Parish of St Mary Coslany so I cannot be 100% sure that Dinah is their daughter even though it does seem likely, the only other possibility is that she may have been an illegitimate child of Harriet or even the eldest child of Solomon (bearing in mind she was born 7 years after the 1851 census and Hannah would be 42 and Simon 56, although Solomon would be only 19)
Solomon married someone named Eliza
1881 census - Market Place, Norwich St Peter Mancroft
Solomon SALKIND aged 41 Born North Walsham
Eliza SALKIND aged 38 wife born Norwich
Rosa SALKIND aged 15 daughter Pupil Teacher born Norwich
Theodore SALKIND aged 12 son born Norwich
Simon SALKIND aged 10 son born Norwich
Rebecca SALKIND aged 7 daughter born Norwich
Maude SALKIND aged 6 daughter born Norwich
Daniel SALKIND aged 3 son born Norwich
Philip SALKIND aged 2 son born Norwich
Ellen SALKIND aged 2m daughter born Norwich

1891 census - Stratford Le Bow St Mary, London
Solomon SALKIND aged 51 Born North Walsham
Eliza SALKIND aged 48 wife born Norwich
Rebecca SALKIND aged 17 daughter born Norwich
Maude SALKIND aged 16 daughter born Norwich
Daniel SALKIND aged 13 son born Norwich
Philip SALKIND aged 12 son born Norwich
Ellen SALKIND aged 10 daughter born Norwich
Ethel SALKIND aged 9 daughter born Norwich
Adelaide SALKIND aged 7 daughter born Norwich
Alfred SALKIND aged 6 son born Norwich
1891 census - Heigham Norwich
Rose SALKIND aged 22 borader born Norwich
1891 census - St Peter Mancroft, Norwich
Theodore SALKIND aged 25  born Norwich
Simon SALKIND aged 17  born Norwich
Saul SALKIND married Martha CLARKE on 30th January 1866 in Lakenham, Norfolk
1881 census - The Green, Norwich All Saints
Saul SALKIND aged 37 Watchmaker born North Walsham
Martha SALKIND aged 39 wife born Norwich
Frederick SALKIND aged 8 son born Norwich
Maud SALKIND aged 6 daughter born Norwich
Sidney SALKIND aged 4 son born Norwich
David SALKIND aged 2 son born Norwich
1891 census - Norwich
Saul SALKIND aged 47 born North Walsham
Martha SALKIND aged 49 wife born Norwich
Frederick SALKIND aged 18 son born Norwich
Maud SALKIND aged 16 daughter born Norwich
Archibald Sidney SALKIND aged 14 son born Norwich
David SALKIND aged 12 son born Norwich
Ellen SALKIND aged 10 daughter born Norwich
In 1891 Samuel SALKIND was aged 39 and a lodger in Norwich St Margaret (was actually closer to 45). In 1881 he was a lodger in Coslany Street, Norwich St Mary Coslany. He was unmarried.
In the 1880 census Morristown, Morris, New Jersey, USA  David SALKIND is aged 33 and married to a Margaret aged 29 born in Ireland. They have 3 sons Hampton aged 6, David aged 4 and William aged 4m all born in New Jersey.
There is also a Beare SALKIND who was born c1852 in Norwich who may also be related.
In 1881 he was in Willow Place, Swanton Novers
Beare SALKIND aged 29 Watchmaker born Norwich
Elizabeth SALKIND aged 30 wife born Swanton Novers
Anne Rebecca SALKIND aged 6 daughter born Swanton Novers
Harriett SALKIND aged 5 daughter born Swanton Novers
Ruth Gertrude SALKIND aged 3 daughter born Swanton Novers
Evelin Martha SALKIND aged 1 daughter born Swanton Novers
1891 - Hindolveston
Beare SALKIND aged 39 born Norwich
Harriet SALKIND aged 15 daughter born Swanton Novers
Ruth SALKIND aged 13 daughter born Swanton Novers
1891 - Swanton Novers
Elizabeth SALKIND aged 40 born Swanton Novers
Annie SALKIND aged 16 born Swanton Novers
There is also an Amelia SALKIND born Norwich c1858
1881 census - Trinity Street, Railway Street, Great Bolton, Lancs
Amelia SALKIND aged 23 Attendant in Refreshment Rooms born Norwich
1891 census - Hackney, London
Amelia SALKIND aged 30 House Sister born Norwich
 
Hope you can follow most of this. Sandra
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: jogriff on Monday 14 June 10 01:51 BST (UK)
Hi, my mums auntie was married to a philip salkind,from norwich, her name was emily.
Im not 100% sure but I think they may have originated in Lithuania, and were definately Jewish, but had become Christian before or around when Philip was born. He is easily traceable on ancestry . com.uk. They had  a child they called Philip Ivan C Salkind, who died of renal failure in the 20s or 30s, known as Ivan. So a Russian sounding name anyway. I have a photo of him as a young man. He died at abt 23yrs,  I think.  I am in touch with Mr. John Court, and it was his Gran, Emma, that was Ivans mum.(Mums aunt). So ?? if he may or may not have been a blood relative of john.  Possibly. I will hunt out the photo of Ivan for you,(and for John Court), this week and send it. I wish I knew if there was a relationship ,in any way between the salkinds of Norwich and the Baldwin family of Eye.There is something very fishy going on in my fam. history!!  Jo. 50 yrs. Carmarthen.   Ps. my mum went to the same school as Ivan,
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: MJR on Tuesday 15 June 10 21:35 BST (UK)
Hello All. 1861 census for Simon (Semon)  Salkind is on Ancestry, born 1804 London Middlesex, living Norwich St. George at Colegate. When you put place of birth put Norfolk, I found it that way. Rachel D age 2 is listed. Do you know about pilot Familysearch.org?  on home page browse, select Europe, scroll down to bottom UK. There is a lot of resource there, including many films of Norfolk parish registers, I have checked both registers for the living location for 1851 & 1861 census, I couldn't find a Salkind. I hope this helps. MIK.
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: ALI J on Sunday 30 January 11 12:09 GMT (UK)
 hi all . fascinated to find all this information ! my great grandmother was harriet salkind - daughter of beare and elizabeth salkind from swanton novers. i`m  interested  in finding  beare`s origins - parents or any  salkind siblings he may have had.   ali
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: jogriff on Saturday 16 April 11 14:17 BST (UK)
After months of staring at the computer and trying to find the origin of the name Salkind,  I have a suggestion.  There is a place in the Ukraine called Stary Krym. It is Russian for Old Crimean but the old name for it is Solkhat.   Interesting, because there is a record in Jewish Gen site, for one family called Sohlkind living in Hungary.     At first, I thought the name Salkind was of German origin due to the sound and spelling, but I suppose it is possible that in Austro-hungarian empire, it could have also become "Prussianized." There were alot of Jews resettled in Lithuania from the Crimea, having been captured in about 1300 AD. They were Karaims. Sometimes spelled qarait.  (Not the Egyptian Karaite.)  These people were not Rabbinical Jews and were more secular.
The name qaraim means "reader".   The name Salkind is often spelled with "Z" as in Zalkind, especially in the Ukraine and there are many records of them in cemeteries there. I know that my mother used to say that Philip used to insist that the name was pronounced as "salt," not as in "sally" and the "kind was pronounced as "kaynd," not as in "kindred."  She knew so much about them that I wondered why,
and I am now firmly of the belief that she was a Salkind.So many "Jewish traits in her and myself, I find I am quite glad. I am trying to find the proof that I need. x Jo of Carmarthen.
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 16 April 11 14:52 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat ALI J and jigriff :)

Re BEARE SALKIND;
Born c 1852, Norwich, Norfolk
Birth Reg Sept 1851, Norwich, 13  *, under SALKUND B_eare and Salkund Bra
1861 Census he is under BEASE age 9 with Parents SEMON (Simon), born c 1804, London, Middlesex and HANNAH born 1817, Russia
SOLOMON born c 1839 is his Brother :)
DINAH RACHEL born c 1858 is his Sister :)

Her is the Full Census;

1861 Census
Norwich St George At Colegate, Norfolk
RG9/1211/28/11
Simon SALKIND, 57, Head, Mar, General Dealer,born London, Middlesex
Hannah, 44, Wife, Mar, born Russia
Soloman, 22, Son, Unm, Watchmaker, born North Walsham, Norfolk
Esther, 19, Daug, Unm, Sewing Machinist, born North Walsham
Saul, 17, Son, Unm, Cordwainer, born North Walsham
Samuel, 15, Son, Unm, Cordwainer, born North Walsham
David, 14, Son, Unm, Scholar,  born Norwich
Rebecca, 12, Daug, Scholar, born Norwich
BEARE, 9, Son, Scholar, born Norwich
Amelia, 5, Daug, Scholar, born Norwich
RACHAEL D, 2, Daug, born Norwich

Trish :)
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 16 April 11 15:29 BST (UK)
1841 Census
The Butchery,
North walsham, Norfolk
HO107/784/24/North Walsham
Simon SALKIND, 40, Grocer, NOT born in County
Hannah, 25, Not born in County
Harriett, 4, Born in County
Soloman, 2, Born in County
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: beckm on Thursday 07 July 11 19:47 BST (UK)
Hello All,
I am a descendent of the Salkind family. My mother Dorothy Salkind was the daughter of Alfred Salkind, who was the youngest son of Soloman and Eliza Salkind (nee Bell). I have traced quite a few member os the Salkind family and have found the graves of Simon Salkind and Hannah Salkind in the Jewish section of the cemetry in Norwich. I was able to discover this with the help of a member of the Synagogue in Norwich. Unfortunatly, the records of the Jewish synagogue were distroyed during the 2nd WW when the synangogue was bombed so was not able to view any records there, but they had records of the graves.
With regards to Phillip Salkind, he was my mother's uncle and I met him when I was about 12. He had an antique shop in Sheperd's Bush Road in Shepherd's Bush. I also met his wife Emma and I believe after Phillip died that she went to live with her niece for a while and then the next record we had of her was that she went to live with her son. This was strange as I only ever knew that they had one son Phillip Ivan Salkind who is buried a few graves down from my parents and grandparents grave in Mortlake cemetary.
I have also visited the street called 'The Butchery' in North Walsham where Simon and Hannah Salkind used to live in 1841 and unfortunately it is about to be pulled down (this is a small alley/ street). 
I have managed to trace Solomon and Eliza's children who survived; there were 12 of them and I can provide some information on them.
I am now trying to trace Hannah Salkind, who on different records appears to be either Russian / Polish  or Austrian which I think may have been the Prussian Empire at the time (?). I now have a copy of Solomon and Eliza Bell's marriage certificate. I would appreciate any help in trying to trace Hannah, I was always lead to believe that we went back to being an Austrian and possibly related to a Baron de Harsh (sp?) but this is only heresay from my mother.
I hope this is of interest to you.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: bpicker on Friday 20 December 13 14:40 GMT (UK)
My maternal grandmother's maiden name is Salkind.  Her father was David Salkind and her mother was Hannah.  It's embarrassing, but I'm still trying to find out Hannah's maiden name as well as the names of the parents of David and Hannah.  They are Jewish and I believe the family came over to the United States from Russia or Lithuania in the late 1800's or the turn of the century, although I am working on this as well.  I wonder if there is any connection between the Salkind's living in England.  I am hoping to get a better idea of the family tree in the next few weeks and I will post anything I find. 
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: beckm on Tuesday 07 January 14 15:20 GMT (UK)
Hi bpicker

Thanks for your message I will try and research the David Salkind connection to my branch of the family and see if I can come up with some information for you.

Regards
beckm
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: bpicker on Tuesday 07 January 14 18:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks beckm.  I have a little more information now. 

David Salkind was born January 5, 1886 and died on April 1, 1966.  His wife, Hannah Salkind (nee Lipschutz) was born on July 12, 1895 and died in December of 1986.  They were both born in Philadelphia and lived there.  They owned a painting contractor business (which actually painted the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco amongst other well known bridges). David had four siblings and I know the names of three of them:  Max, Bertha and Lena.  Max had two children, Esther and Hortense.  The fourth sibling whose name I don't know had a child, S. Harold Salkind.  David and Hannah had three children, Vivian, Rhea, and Annette (my maternal grandmother). 

David's parents were William Salkind (born in May of 1842, I believe in Russia) and Goldie Salkind (born in March of 1844, I believe in Russia).  I don't know Goldie's maiden name.  They were married in about 1862 and came to the United States in about 1884 and lived in Philadelphia.  They owned a successful department store in Philadelphia. 

Although probably less relevant for you, Hannah's parents were William Lipschutz and Fannie Lipshcutz (whose maiden name I believe was Rubin).  William was born about 1867, I believe in Russia.  Fannie was born about 1870, I believe in Russia.  they both arrived in the United States around 1980 and lived in Philadelphia.  They owned a general store in Philadephia.  I believe Fannie had at least two siblings, one of whom was named Louie Rubin.  I believe William had at least 4 siblings whose names I don't know.  William and Fannie had several children whose names (other than Hannah) were Jack, Anna, Ike, Samuel and Louis.

Let me know if any other info or specifics would help.

Ben
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: JohnCourt1 on Monday 02 June 14 20:41 BST (UK)
To BeckM,
It's been a long time sisnce I posted on this board (so much so that I had to reregister) (profiles merged)
Emma (or Emily) Salkind - Philip's wife, did have another son. He was my grandfather Philip Hall, who was fostered out when Emily married Philip Salkind. Emily and Philip actually had 2 more kids (Neville and Olive) but both died as infants. I remember Emily when I was very young, I saw her twice - once when she was livign with her sister in Cardif (her sister was Edith believe) and once in my grandfather's house. She was very old and frail then, and it was probably just before she died. Not sure of when that was but I assume sometime in the 1970s possibly.

For your records, Emily Salkind (nee Hall) was not actually born as Emily Hall. Her parents never married so her birth certificate shows her (and her sister and brother) as Emily Bushell - which was her mother's surname.

To all related to Philip Salkind.
As the parentage of my grandfather is often a topic of debate in my family (some believe Philip Salkind was his father and he was fostered due to being illigitimate, some, like myself, believe Philip Salkind was not his father and he was fostered because of this fact) - does anybody have a photograph of Philip Salkind at all? I believe he was a short man, but do not think I have ever seen a picture (and maybe a picture would show family remablances - or not).

I have attached a copy of a photograph of my great grandmother Emily (on the left), her sister Edith and I assume their brother George (although this could be Philip as far as I know). I have also attached a picture of my grandfather (Philip Hall).
Title: Re: Salkind Family
Post by: jnww on Sunday 19 December 21 09:02 GMT (UK)
Hi
Saul Salkind was my great (great?) grandfather; my grandmother was Doris Salkind - she was brought up in Cromer, Norfolk before marrying and moving to South London, where I was brought up. Saul ran a music shop at 1 St Stephen's Street, Norwich and I have one of his Accordions that still plays. My mother's cousin is alive and well aged 90 and remembers Saul and Delia. I'd be most interested to hear more about the Salkind family from any other descendants on this site.