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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: mags c on Thursday 02 October 08 21:11 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find some information regarding an Edmond Ned) Maher born roughly 1884. His Father was James Maher and his Mother was Mary Butler. He moved to Scotland -not sure when- and married in Glasgow in 1914 to Winifred O'Neill. According to my records his father was dead when Edmond marrried. Icannot find which townland or parish he came from in Tipperary, or whether he had any brothers or sisters. any information would be great. Thank You
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Edmond Maher born 21 Apr.1870 Co. Tipperary, son of James Maher & Mary Butler listed in IGI- could this be your Edmond Maher? IGI (www.familysearch.org) also lists other children of James and Mary- do parent search to find details.
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hi my name is margaret maher,edmund maher was my grandfather i dont know much about his life before he came to glasgow.all i know that he went on to have eight children,and that his wife died in childbirth.would love o know if he had brothers and sisters.regards
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Follow the link aghadowey posted above.
Dara.
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Welcome to Rootschat scotstim75. The original poster - mags c- has been online recently but never responded to the information I posted earlier so I can't confirm this is the same person you are looking for.
If you go to the LS site www.familysearch.org- click on Advanced Search and put in only father's name and mother's name then click search button you'll see the information I had found.
Since then several new sources (free) have also come online including 1901 and 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/), civil registration index (http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347), other records on LDS Pilot site: Irish births- shows parents' names; Irish marriages- shows partner's name- scroll down page for Ireland-
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections&r=1
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Hi this is for scotsim I've not been on for a while. will look at this tomorrow and will get back to you. bye the way how are you Ned's grand daughter?
Mags C
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Hi Scotstim75,
Apologies for the brief response earlier, I was in a hurry at the time. Also, welcome to RootsChat.
Generally I use the BetaSearch for IGI, its a newer version than the link referred to earlier. Using that I found:
Ellen 1864
Thomas 1867
Edmond 1870
Johanna 1872
Michael 1874
Cornelius 1877
James 1880
Addresses include The Grove, Borrisoleigh, Thurles, Tipperary and Ireland in various combinations.
Here's the link: http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records
Just key in Maher for the Last Name, Ireland for the Location and Father and Mother's names as you have them.
Good luck with your search.
Dara.
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my father was neds son thomas.
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Well that was a wee bit of a shock....could you fill me in please. BTW Ned was my husbands grandfather. As far as we know he never let on that he had left a family/child in Ireland.
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Hi my name is Bryan, Margaret's (scotstim75) son. Sorry for the delay but my mums pc skills are not the greatest lol. We are not in Ireland but sunny East Kilbride. Ned had 8 children when he arrived in Scotland, Ted, Elizabeth, Mary, Winnie, Alice, Frank, Thomas and Con. Unfortunately Winnifred (Ned's wife) died whilst giving birth to Con. My Mother (Margaret Maher) is the daughter of Thomas, unfortunately none of Neds children are no longer with us, my grandad Tom, being the last one to pass away in 2003.
So which one of the Maher clan are you related to?
Regards
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Hi Bryan, got you now. I thought your mum meant that Ned had children before he left Ireland. I am married to Winnie's son Ken. We are in Motherwell. Small world. Do you know what happened to Neds parents? i know that James (Ned's dad was dead when Ned married Winnie O'Neill) but I cannot trace what happened to Mary Butler (Ned's mother).
Your Mum must be my husbands cousin...I think. trying to keep track of who is related to who gives me a sore head at times. I take it Mary from the borders has also passed away? I knew about Con and Alice, although I think Alice's husband is still alive in Australia. ::)
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My mum called it right, she thought you might be Kenneths wife, yes my mum and Ken are cousins and Tommy and Jean are alive and well and still living in Cathcart. Mary Malloy (Maher) passed away about ten years ago and Bobby in Tasmania is still going strong
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Rootschat doesn't allow posting details of living people so now that you've sorted out the connection it would be best to discuss recent family details by PM rather than posting here.
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Hello,
It is with great interest that I read your posts. Do yo know if your family has any connection to Mullinahone, Co Tipperary? My g-grandmother was Ellen Hennessey the daughter of William Hennessey and Bridget Maher born c 1861, so that would be the generation before the one you have been discussing. Any information you could share would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi not sure but will check it out and let you know.
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Thanks very much for that.
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Hello,
It is with great interest that I read your posts. Do yo know if your family has any connection to Mullinahone, Co Tipperary? My g-grandmother was Ellen Hennessey the daughter of William Hennessey and Bridget Maher born c 1861, so that would be the generation before the one you have been discussing. Any information you could share would be greatly appreciated.
Hi,
It might help your search if you started a new topic on the family members you are trying to trace.
Mullinahone Parish records (RC) go back to 1809 for baptisms and to 1810 for marriages (transcripts). From 1835 onwards microfilms of baptism and marriage records are available.
I'm sure if you posted a new topic someone would be able to help you.
Dara.
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looking for any information regard Hennessey , Guinane, Maher or Ryan from the Accrington area. I believe all these families may all be related. and originate from the Nenagh area of Tipperary Ireland.
I have a Dan Guinane half brother of the Hennessey family travelling to Montreal via USA with some Maher Family members. All were listed as living in Wellington Road/street Accrington at the time of travel. The Ryan connection to the Family I believe is Dan Mothers Bridget Ryan was was married to William Hennessey prior to marrying Patrick Guinane......i having a night finding information on these lot GGGGRRRRR!!! ;D
( Henessy, Hennesy, Guinanne, Ryan, Gynane, Flynn, Silvermines, Ballinaclough, Ballnaclogh, Temple Derry, Muklyn) = JUST TAGS
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My ggggrandfather was James Maher born 1786 north of Nenah Tipperary.
He was the son of Michael. He married Catherine Hanley and had 5 children James 1827, Edward 1821, Catherine 1834, Thomas 1825, and Ellen 1836. The family left Ireland in the late 1840's and moved to Ontario, Canada. The children married local Tipperary folks. James wed Ellen Cain (do William Cain and Hannah Flannery), and Catherine wed Roger Carroll. Looking for any one with ties back to Tipperary.
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In addition to the seven children listed on page 1, James and Mary Butler Maher from Annfield had three additional children: Margaret, John and Patrick.
Patrick was the youngest and was my grandfather
Five children, including my grandfather, immigrated to the US and the other five moved to Scotland.
As I am new to responding, if I figure out if and how private message can be sent, I will try that.
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Entering more information as I have to post three replies before I can use PM function. :D
Have major questions about the Maher census in Goldengrove/Annfield in both 1901 and 1911.
In the 1901 census, my grandfather Patrick is listed as age 26 and a postman. He was 16.
On that same census, there is a 3 year old named Kate, listed as a granddaughter. As far as I know none of Mary and James' children had children in Ireland. The five who came to the US (Margaret, Ellen, Thomas, Michael (he first went to Scotland) and Patrick were all single.
On the 1911 census, Mary's son John had returned home with his family. Listed on that census was an 18 year old grandson named Matthew. Again, I have no clue who this child could have belonged to, if his age was correct. As far as I know, he was no relationship to John and wife.
James Maher died between the 1901 and 1911 census. I believe that Mary Butler Maher lived until at least 1920. I cannot find any information about their deaths.
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I hope that the third post is a charm and the PM works ;D
Mary Butler and James Maher were married in Drom parish (Church of Monroe/Monrae) located fairly close to their home in Annfield. All of their children were Baptized in that same Parish.
I am seeking any and all information regarding James Maher's mother's maiden name and am also seeking Mary Butler's mother's maiden name. Ten years of searching is enough.
I am also seeking any information about James and Mary's siblings names. In order to request further research in Tipperary, I need more information than I currently have.
I am assuming that one of Mary's brothers may have been Patrick Butler, although in one census he was lsited as a lodger in the Maher home.
Please get in touch with anything you have to share.
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Hi you may already have this information but here goes:
Mary's fathers name was Edward Butler. James Father's name was Thomas Maher. I think I am right in saying that in the 1901 census they were both living at 38 Crohane Lower James (58) was a shepherd/herdsman and Mary (53) was a housekeeper. In 1911 census Mary (65) was a widow living at 6 Rathclarish and was a farmer. James died (I think) on the 20/3/1907. Their sons Ned and Cornelious came to Glasgow some time after that and Ned married a Winifred O'Nell in 1914. thats where my husband comes in. Ned was his grandfather. Hope this helps. I find as time goes on you discover aliitle bit more that you hit a wall again. very frustrating. I keep trying to persuade my hubby to go across to Ireland but he's not taking me on so far. the other problem as I am sure you know is that a lots of Irish records were destroyed by "fire" so this doesn't help.
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The details quoted about the Public Records Office fire during the civil war are often a little inaccurate, or incomplete. Many of the records held there were destroyed, but many vital records were not held in the PRO so were unaffected. e.g. all the civil BMD records (i.e. certs), RC parish records and also records for various denomination other than those for the Church of Ireland...
The lack of early RC records is more likely due to the after effects of the penal laws.
Shane
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Thanks for the responses
It appears that we have some conflicting information about the family and where they lived? The Church records I have indicate that the family lived in Goldengrove (Annfield), Inch Parish.
The census records you and I have Mags appear to be different? Frankly there are so many different areas that it confuses me!
The 1901 census for James and Mary Maher that I have is in the Poor Union of Thurles, District of Gortkelly, Townland of Goldengrove and Parish Inch. 1901 shows James (age 70) and Mary (age 60) plus son Patrick (my grandfather noted as age 26 but actually 16), a granddaughter Kate, age 3 and Patrick Butler, age 70, an agricultural laborer and lodger. James Maher was listed as a laborer, his wife a housekeeper and Patrick a rural postman.
The owner of that house was James Butler.
In 1911, Mary Maher was listed as a housekeeper in that same home. Her son John and his family had returned from Scotland and were in the home. Son John was listed as a road contractor
In 1911 the house was owned by Edmund Butler. Edmund Butler (Ned) was James Butler (the owner in 1901's son)
My grandfather Patrick was the last of ten to leave Ireland. He joined three of his siblings in New Jersey USA and a 5th left Scotland and joined them later. Three siblings remained in Jersey, one moved to New York and the other moved to Connecticut.
In church records, Thomas Maher, father of James, was listed as a shoemaker. Edmund Butler, father of Mary, was listed as a laborer. Both Thomas and Edmund were also from Goldengrove/Annfield.
Goldengrove only consisted of five houses in the 1901 census. There are now only three houses in rural and beautiful Goldengrove.
Church records that I have indicate all ten children that I previously listed.
We must be talking about two different areas in Tipperary?
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I think you are dealing with two separate areas in Co. Tipperary, and maybe two different families ?
here's a summary of the details for the two townlands mentioned :
Townland : Goldengrove
Acres : 101
Barony : Eliogarty
Civil Parish : Inch
PLU : Thurles
County: Tipperary, N.R.
Townland : Crohane Lower
Acres : 1,530
Barony : Slievardagh
Civil Parish : Crohane
PLU : Callan
County : Tipperary, S.R.
The townland of Goldengrove is in the PLU/Registraton district of Thurles in Tipperary North Riding, whilst the townland of Crohane Lower is in Tipperary South Riding and in the District of Callan. The towns where these districts are based are about 40 km (~25 miles) apart.
You can see these locations in relation to each other on Google Maps : Goldengrove - Thurles - Crohane Lower - Callan (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Goldengrove,+Ireland&daddr=Thurles,+Ireland+to:Crohane+Lower,+Ireland+to:Callan,+Ireland&hl=en&sll=52.626235,-7.671305&sspn=0.375121,0.997009&geocode=FcxCJAMdscWG_ynfPAwGOcFcSDEgwuA3qccAGA%3BFUrXIwMdmsKI_ynL_b_kxsRcSDHwJTKXqccACg%3BFbEMIgMdgvWL_ykzH-xVjNZcSDEgTOk3qccAGA%3BFRLIIQMdDiSP_ylpvIeFIixdSDGw5zGXqccACg&oq=Goldengrove&vpsrc=0&mra=ps&t=m&z=10)
The surnames Maher and Butler are quite common in this area, so it's possible that there would be several couples with this combination of surnames.
Shane
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Shane, I think you are right, although it is quite odd that we each have a James Maher, son of Thomas Maher and a Mary Butler, daughter of Edmund/Edmond. To complicate matters more, we each have that family with sons Cornelius and Edmund/Edmond who moved to Scotland ???
The ten children I formerly listed as children of my particular James and Mary are from the church within a mile or so of Goldengrove/Annfield. Those records have been officially documented and most are according to the records my grandfather/his daughter left.
Mags, do you have the name of the woman that Cornelius married in Scotland? I want to see if we have the same person which will only lead to more confusion for me!
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will try to find it out for you
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Hi this is the antiquesman here in Southport, England
www.theantiquesman.com
It seems the worlds junk ends up in my shop.
This may interest a Maher.
I have just come accross in unusual circumstances some documents.
First is a demob parchment for Peter (Pete) Thomas Maher dated 1875 after serving 10 years in the 49th Reg
Peter was born 1840 in the parish of Parish of Mallinans in the county of Tipperary
2nd document
it would seem that the family emigrated to Boston or New York USA on the White Star Line "Republic" from Queenstown 3rd Sept 1879
I have the booking letter from the White Star line
I also have prayer books (Roman Catholic) owned by a family member who did not emergrate dated 1875 and 1895. Possibly owned by the grandchild of Peter
If you have some interest my mobile phone number in England
07714 32 22 52
john nolan
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My ggggrandfather was James Maher born 1786 north of Nenah Tipperary.
He was the son of Michael. He married Catherine Hanley and had 5 children James 1827, Edward 1821, Catherine 1834, Thomas 1825, and Ellen 1836. The family left Ireland in the late 1840's and moved to Ontario, Canada. The children married local Tipperary folks. James wed Ellen Cain (do William Cain and Hannah Flannery), and Catherine wed Roger Carroll. Looking for any one with ties back to Tipperary.
Do you know what part of the Nenagh area James came from as Maher/Meagher are common names in that locality? Have you any other family information that could help?
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Hi not sure if this is the correct record but Corneilius wife could be a Catherine Christie and they married in 1956. Thats all i can find at the moment. sorry for delay I've not been on for a while
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Scrub that last post about Cornelius wife. That was his nephew (also cornelius) and his wife.
Yes we are on about the same family. I have recently discovered more information with the help of other rootchatters. Corneulius (Neds brother) wife was Maria Burke in 1909 in Glasgow.
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Hi There, I am looking for information on a James Maher approx. 1880. He lived in Norris Arm North in Newfoundland, Canada and married Cecilia Melvin from Fogo Island, Newfoundland, who was born in 1877. We know nothing of James Maher's background at all so we are guessing that he came from Ireland. If anyone has any information on a James Maher that travelled to Newfoundland, Canada sometime between 1880 and 1909, I would love to hear from you!
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Hi there, with regards to James Maher, the only information I have is that he was born on 4/11/1880 to James Maher and Mary Butler. As far as I know he emigrated to either Canada or USA. Don't know if this is any help.
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Hi mags c, thank you for the response. My James Maher married Cecelia Melvin in 1905 in Gambo Newfoundland. Do you have information on Mahers that settled in Newfoundland?
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Hi Melanie , sorry I don't at the moment but if I find out any more I will let you know. Regards xx