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Hi
Ia researching the Graham family and other associated families in Swaledale.
The Grahams eventually moved to Burnley area - can anyone help?
Regards
Superwhite
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Hi Superwhite. Welcome to rootschat. If you can give a few names and dates that will help. Can you quote a census record?
Andrea
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Hi superwhite
Welcome from me too :)
I have Grahams from East Witton in Wensleydale, maybe some connection, looking forward to seeing which names dates and places you're looking for
If you click on the 'surname interests' tab at the foot of the page, you'll be able to see who is also researching Grahams
Kind regards,
Barbara
:)
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Hi Andrea and Barbara
Thanks for your replies!
Very new to this site, so bear with me!
The Grahams are my wife's father side of the family.
Some names/dob etc for you:
1) WILLIAM GRAHAM b.1864 in ASKRIGG, son of
JAMES GRAHAM. b. 1837 in THWAITE. (JAMES was married to MAGGIE ANN MASON, b. 1870 Muker)
WILLIAM had two brothers: CHERRY GRAHAM (b. 1869 ASKRIGG) and JOHN GRAHAM (b. 1871 ASKRIGG AREA)
JAMES was married to MARY KEARTON (b. THWAITE 1837)
I have tree available on Genes Reunited, but many loose ends to tie up!
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Regards
Phil Haley
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Hi Phil,
Sorry, have had a look, but those names don't seem to tie in to my tree, my earliest Grahams were from East Witton and then Grewelthorpe, Yorkshire. One went to Wakefield, but none in Burnley.
What exactly are you wanting to know about your Grahams, and what do you already know, do you need census or parish register look-ups etc for any of them?
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
From memory, I have Grahams going back to 1760 (I think!!). It seems all the male generations seemed to share the same names, apart from a few exceptions (William, John, James etc), and I've largely managed to sort them and their subsequent families out by various census returns, IGI returns etc.
However, there were many sisters - if they survived and eventually married, they are much more difficult to find, obviously!
I will go back to my tree and see if I can pick out any particular candidates!
Regards
Phil Haley
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The Grahams eventually moved to Burnley area - can anyone help?
Just wondered what particular help you need :)
Barbara
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Superwhite:
It was William Graham who married Maggie Ann Mason at Burnley June qtr 1890.
The christian name Cherry comes from the Kearton family line.
As you say, James Graham married Mary Kearton Sept qtr 1859.
Mary's father was Cherry Kearton.
Cherry Kearton's mother was Agnes Cherry.
If you need more specific information then please let me know.
My Graham information goes back to Jeffrey Graham c 1730 of Carperby who married Alice Crookey May 3rd 1757 at Aysgarth.
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Daniel1111
Many thanks for that info - I also go back as far as Jeffrey Graham at Carperby, although I know very little about him.
Regards
superwhite
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Hi
I have a James Graham, b.c. 1808 in Askrigg. He went on to marry to Ann ?, have a large family, (11 children) most of whom were born in Askrigg, and then went on to live at Padiham, Nr. Burnley (source 1861 / 71 censuses).
I need to know who James parents and/or siblings were, to see if I can find out where he fits in my existing tree. Can anyone help?
Regards
Superwhite
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Is this your James Graham?
Descendants of John Graham
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN2 GRAHAM (JEFFREY1) was born about 1756 in Askrigg, and died 09 Jun 1834 in Askrigg aged 78 see Askrigg MI 183. He married JANE METCALFE 08 Aug 1785 in Askrigg see Askrigg PR. She was born about 1759 in Askrigg, and died 29 May 1825 in Askrigg aged 66 see Askrigg MI 183.
More About JOHN GRAHAM:
Askrigg mi: Shoemaker
More About JOHN GRAHAM and JANE METCALFE:
Marriage: 08 Aug 1785, Askrigg see Askrigg PR
Children of JOHN GRAHAM and JANE METCALFE are:
2. i. ALICE3 GRAHAM, b. 12 Mar 1786, Askrigg see Askrigg PR; d. Mar 1850, Bradford.
ii. BELLAH GRAHAM, b. 25 Jul 1789, Askrigg see Askrigg PR.
3. iii. JOHN GRAHAM, b. about 1791, Askrigg see Askrigg PR; d. 12 Apr 1871, Askrigg aged 79 see Askrigg PR.
iv. SALLY GRAHAM, b. 03 Oct 1793, Askrigg see Askrigg PR.
v. ELIZABETH GRAYHAM, b. 07 Aug 1796, Askrigg see Askrigg PR.
4. vi. JEFFREY GRAHAM, b. 16 Dec 1798, Askrigg see Askrigg PR.
5. vii. WILLIAM GRAHAM, b. 19 Jul 1801, Askrigg see Askrigg PR; d. 13 Jul 1872, Askrigg aged 71 see Askrigg PR.
6. viii. THOMAS GRAHAM, b. 01 Sep 1805, Askrigg see Askrigg PR.
ix. JAMES GRAHAM, b. 28 Jun 1807, Askrigg see Askrigg PR; d. 01 Jul 1807, Askrigg.
7. x. JAMES CROOKEY GRAHAM, b. 25 Dec 1808, Askrigg see Askrigg PR; d. Jun 1877, Burnley aged 68 see free BMD Records.
Generation No. 2
7. JAMES CROOKEY3 GRAHAM (JOHN2, JEFFREY1) was born 25 Dec 1808 in Askrigg see Askrigg PR, and died Jun 1877 in Burnley aged 68 see free BMD Records. He married ANN LEE 30 Sep 1834 in Askrigg see Askrigg PR, daughter of CHRISTOPHER LEE and BETTY WETHERALD. She was born 26 Jul 1812 in Askrigg see Askrigg PR, and died Mar 1877 in Burnley aged 64 see free BMD Records.
More About JAMES GRAHAM and ANN LEE:
Marriage: 30 Sep 1834, Askrigg see Askrigg PR
Children of JAMES GRAHAM and ANN LEE are:
i. ELIZABETH4 GRAHAM, b. about 1841, Askrigg.
ii. CHRISTOPHER GRAHAM, b. about 1839, Askrigg.
iii. JOHN GRAHAM, b. about 1837, Askrigg.
iv. JEFFREY GRAHAM, b. about 1844, Askrigg.
v. PETER GRAHAM, b. about 1846, Askrigg.
vi. JANE GRAHAM, b. about 1849, Askrigg.
vii. RICHARD GRAHAM, b. about 1849, Askrigg.
viii. ALICE GRAHAM, b. about 1851, Askrigg.
ix. SARAH GRAHAM, b. about 1854, Askrigg.
x. ANN GRAHAM, b. about 1856, Padiham Lancs.
xi. JAMES C GRAHAM, b. about 1858, Padiham Lancs.
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Hi Daniel
Yes, this seems to be the family I've been looking for - I had John Crookey Graham, b. 1808 in my tree and suspected this must be his family, but couldn't verify it with any certainty.
Many thanks for your help with this problem-it is very much apprciated. I have a tree on GR containing many Keartons and associated families, esp. Grahams. If I can help anyone out please come back to me
Thanks again Daniel
Superwhite
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Hi superwhite & daniel1111
I came across your posts on here and think we may be connected. Mt Gr Gr Gr Grandfather was James Crookey Graham born in Askrigg in 1808. My Gr Gr Grandfather was his son Richard Graham (born 17th November 1848). James moved his large family from Askrigg to Padiham where many of them seemed to have got jobs in the cotton industry. Gr Gr Grandfather Richard did really well in Padiham and became a mill owner - but later went bankrupt after some business deal went bad. My Gr Grandfather Walter Graham was born in Padiham in 1874, he worked as a cotton mill overlooker. His youngest daughter was Dorothy Graham (1914-1993), who married Edgar Lord. Their only son was Donald Lord (emigrated to New Zealand 1963) and his eldest son was me: Stephen Lord (born 1965).
Full details of all the Grahams going back to Richard Graham are in an old family bible - can give you details if you really want. I was never able to trace further back than James Crookey Graham, but now looks like I can :) Any further information that either of you have I'd love to see it :)
There was an old story the family that our Grahams were distantly related to the Grahams of Netherby Hall, but don't know how true this is. According to the story our Grahams challenged the Netherby Grahams in court for ownership of the Hall - this seems a bit far-fetched to me, but who knows...
Regards,
Stephen
Auckland, New Zealand
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Hi Stephen,
Welcome to Rootschat! :)
I'm sure when Superwhite and Daniel come back online they'll be very pleased to share information with you.
Kind regards,
Barbara
:)
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Hi grungefrog (interesting name!)
My wife's g.g.g.g.grandfather was William Graham, born Askrigg, 1801. He was James Crookey Graham's elder brother.
From there I have Grahams (or their descendants) to the present day, and back to Jeffrey Graham, (c. 1730 @ Carperby, N. Yorkshire), and also to one Alice Crookey, which is where James gets his middle name from.
I also have details of Richard's children, (including your g. grandfather Walter)
as Mary (b.1873), Walter (b. 1874), Milton (b.1880) and Lily (b. 1882).
I would love details of your family bible if you don't mind, and would be more than happy to provide any further details you need, but it might be easier if you contact me direct via my personal email, which I'll get to you shortly.
It's strange, but I seem to spend more time corresponding with people in New Zealand than I do in with people in the UK! I have a gentleman called Basil Kearton who has been extremely useful in establishing another branch of my wife's family (the Keartons).
Regards
Superwhite
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Hi,
Have you or anyone else managed to go back any further than Jeffrey Graham b abt 1730. Jeffrey is my great great great great great great grandfather.
Phil
Hi superwhite & daniel1111
I came across your posts on here and think we may be connected. Mt Gr Gr Gr Grandfather was James Crookey Graham born in Askrigg in 1808. My Gr Gr Grandfather was his son Richard Graham (born 17th November 1848). James moved his large family from Askrigg to Padiham where many of them seemed to have got jobs in the cotton industry. Gr Gr Grandfather Richard did really well in Padiham and became a mill owner - but later went bankrupt after some business deal went bad. My Gr Grandfather Walter Graham was born in Padiham in 1874, he worked as a cotton mill overlooker. His youngest daughter was Dorothy Graham (1914-1993), who married Edgar Lord. Their only son was Donald Lord (emigrated to New Zealand 1963) and his eldest son was me: Stephen Lord (born 1965).
Full details of all the Grahams going back to Richard Graham are in an old family bible - can give you details if you really want. I was never able to trace further back than James Crookey Graham, but now looks like I can :) Any further information that either of you have I'd love to see it :)
There was an old story the family that our Grahams were distantly related to the Grahams of Netherby Hall, but don't know how true this is. According to the story our Grahams challenged the Netherby Grahams in court for ownership of the Hall - this seems a bit far-fetched to me, but who knows...
Regards,
Stephen
Auckland, New Zealand
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Hi Philipd
It looks like four of us on this thread are all related to this Jeffrey Graham. I have talked to superwhite about his connections but not to daniel1111 so don't know how he fits in. My line goes: Jeffrey Graham of Carperby, John Graham b1756, James Crookey Graham b1808 (who moved to the Burnley area), Richard Graham b1848 my gr gr grandfather, and 4 more generations to me. Can send you the full details if you like.
I think superwhite has quite a lot of information on the Grahams of the Askrigg area. Sounds like it might be relevant to both of us. Perhaps I can ask him to get in touch with you directly.
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Hi all
I have previously had correspondence with several people on this site, but four of us appear to share one common ancestor:
Jeffrey Graham of Carperby, North Yorkshire.
This gentle was my wifes g.g.g.g.g. grandfather (not g.g.g.g. grandfather as I stated previously!)
The other three correspondents are:
1) Grungefrog (Stephen Lord of New Zealand)
2) daniel1111
3) Philip D.
I currently have trees on Genes Reunited and on Ancestry. If any or all of you would like to contact me directly, my email address is:
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Regards
Phil Haley (Superwhite)
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Phil:
I can not take the Graham line any further back than c 1730.
But Jeffrey Grahan born c 1730 at Carperby married Alice Crookey May 3rd 1757 at Aysgarth.
She was bap at West Burton June 26th 1737 and died April 12th 1810, also at West Burton.
She was dau of Thomas Crookey bap Nov 18th 1698 at West Burton and Ann Dunn of Bearpark who were married at Aysgarth Nov 3rd 1721.
This Thomas was son of James Crookey of West Burton and Elizabeth Sympson who married at Aysgarth Feb 1st 1697.
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Hi,
Many thanks fo trying.
I plan to visit Askrigg over coming weeks. I doubt I wil be able to access and parish records on my visit though.
For my information only. What sort of information is recorded on wedding records from 1730s. I guess unlike today the fathers name is not listed.
Phil
Phil:
I can not take the Graham line any further back than c 1730.
But Jeffrey Grahan born c 1730 at Carperby married Alice Crookey May 3rd 1757 at Aysgarth.
She was bap at West Burton June 26th 1737 and died April 12th 1810, also at West Burton.
She was dau of Thomas Crookey bap Nov 18th 1698 at West Burton and Ann Dunn of Bearpark who were married at Aysgarth Nov 3rd 1721.
This Thomas was son of James Crookey of West Burton and Elizabeth Sympson who married at Aysgarth Feb 1st 1697.
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Phil,
As you are aware I have already been in contcat with you via your Ancestry tree. I no longer subscribe to GenesReunited.
Last night I also looked at www.familysearch.org for Jeffrey Graham and found a Christening 1st Jan 1776, Aysgarth, Yorks. Father Jeffrey Graham. Whereas on the same website they have a Jeffrey Graham born 16/12/1798 and John Grham b abt 1760 and Jane Metcalfe b abt 1762 as the parents.
PS Can you snd me the URL of your ancestry website. Just search for it at work and unable to locate.
Phil
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Hi,
Maggie has today sent me the following:
Sorry but there is no birth for Jeffrey Graham on either Askrigg/Aysgarth PRs. There is however, a birth for Alice on the Aysgarth PRs which makes me think that as was the tradition a marriage took place in the Bride's parish. So Jeffrey may have been born elsewhere. There is a birth for a Jeffrey on Family Search in1733 Dent Yorkshire son of John Graham. The records for Askrigg and many other parishes are kept in the Northallerton Records Office Yorkshire.
You may have the following records but I will send them anyway>
Jeffrey Graham married Alice Crookey 3 May 1757 At Andrew Parish Church Aysgarth Banns, Witnesses: Christopher Sympson, John Thompson and Christopher Sympson Junior. Vicar: John Dupont.
Found these burials:
Alice Graham w/o Jeffrey burial 12 April 1810 Aysgarth
Jeffrey s/o Jeffrey and Alice burial 27 March 1776
Ralph s/o Jeffrey and Alice burial 11 July 1770
Alice d/o Jeffrey and Alice burial 4 June 1802
Jeffrey ?senior burial 20 May 1806.
Phil
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Hi
Have just been away on an overseas trip so haven't been following up on the recent messages. If you're reading this philipd and daniel1111 I'm just curious to find out where you both fit into my family tree?
There seem to be a LOT of people that are descended from that Jeffrey Graham of Carperby (including at least four people on the Genes Reunited website, which I'm not subscribed to just now so can't follow up).
Regards,
Steve Lord
Auckland New Zealand
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Steve,
I also no longer subscribe to genesrenited. I will send you information of what I have soon. I shoudl point out that the information I have is from groups like this one, ancestry and familysearch.org. Familysearch has thrown up a few Grahams from Askrigg and Dent.
Phil
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So THE Graham family.
My Gt Gt grandmother was Mary Ann Graham b. 1851
Know of any connections?
Phil
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Hi grungefrog (interesting name!)
My wife's g.g.g.g.grandfather was William Graham, born Askrigg, 1801. He was James Crookey Graham's elder brother.
From there I have Grahams (or their descendants) to the present day, and back to Jeffrey Graham, (c. 1730 @ Carperby, N. Yorkshire), and also to one Alice Crookey, which is where James gets his middle name from.
I also have details of Richard's children, (including your g. grandfather Walter)
as Mary (b.1873), Walter (b. 1874), Milton (b.1880) and Lily (b. 1882).
I would love details of your family bible if you don't mind, and would be more than happy to provide any further details you need, but it might be easier if you contact me direct via my personal email, which I'll get to you shortly.
It's strange, but I seem to spend more time corresponding with people in New Zealand than I do in with people in the UK! I have a gentleman called Basil Kearton who has been extremely useful in establishing another branch of my wife's family (the Keartons).
Regards
Superwhite
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Hi my name is Denise, I am also search the "Graham" family. My Great grandfather was Revd Jeffrey Graham born 1733-1805 & Great Grandmother Alice Crookley 1736-1810. I am at a stand still and would appreciate any help thanks.
John Graham 1760-1834 & Jane Metcalfe 1764-1825
John Graham 1792-1871 & Elizabeth Thwaite 1791-1870
William Graham 1819-1891 & Margaret/Alice Graham 1821
William T Graham 1864 & Margaret Ann Graham 1862-1951
Alice Graham 1889 (Nana) & John Alfred Webb
Irene Graham Webb (Gran) 1913-1988
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Denise:
I can not take you back any further than Jeffrey Graham born c 1730 at Carperby
You say he was a Rev ?
Neither can I help with any hangings or Royal links.
But I do have a file on the Graham family which I am happy to share with you,
If you want to see it, then please email me at:
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I can then send you an email with attachments.
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I've read with great interest the various posts regarding the Grahams' who link back to Jeffrey. My 2nd gt gt aunt, Jane Hunter, married William Graham (bn 1801) - so it was rather nice to find others who are also related to the Askrigg Grahams'. Thank you for your various comments and actual details. I feel my research back to Jeffrey is now correct.
I just wondered if there is any link between the Grahams in the Lake District and or through the Border Raiders, when the lowland Grahams certainly came over the border, with Jeffrey's ancestors? I'm twice related to a Graham but this time from Midlothian!
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Hi flying scottie
It seems that you and my wife share the same ancestors. My posts were made under the name Superwhite, and replies to other enquiries were shown as Phil or Phil Haley from memory.
My posts on this site date back to around 2007 or 2008, and some of the info given is a little out of date. Whilst my Genes Reunited tree is still around (I think!) I have not updated for many years. I moved the whole tree over to Ancestry.co.uk. and that is a lot more detailed. If you have access to Ancestry I'll be glad to see you there!
To go back to your query, so far I have not found any connections with the Border Reivers etc. There may well be one, I just haven't found it!
Regards
Superwhite
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Hi Superwhite,
Thank you for your kind email and offer of being able to look at your tree on Ancestry.
Like yourself, I have left trees on Genes Reunited which are out of date and possibly now incorrect in some places. I haven't up loaded my 'Hunter' tree to Ancestry but those I have on there, I have made private simply because people will copy information without validating it even if I have made a wrong assumption myself!
I recently contacted the Swaledale Museum in Reeth. We visited this lovely little museum at least 8 years ago and I know I saw a framed sampler/embroidery with the names Jane Hunter and William Graham highlighted with in the embroidery. Even then I wondered if it was a relation but I had yet to tackle the records office at Northallerton! The curator responded that they didn't have anything like that in their collection. Perhaps it had been on loan at the time we saw it and hopefully it still belongs to someone locally who may be a distant relative?!
If I may, I would like to look at your tree relating to the Grahams' on Ancestry and I am willing to clarify the Hunter connection if you so wish.
With very kind regards
Flyingscottie
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I have just done my DNA and just received my results through Ancestry.com I have received 272 pages of 2nd & 3rd & 4th & distant cousins. How exciting! I have just found out that I am 55% Great Britain, 22% Irish, 11% Scandinavia, 5% Europe West, 5% Europe East, 1% Finland/North West Russia, 1% West Asia - Caucasus. Very interesting! I have already followed up on two cousins and hoping in the coming weeks I am able to receive more information on my family tree. I am very curious to see if the Graham family of Askrigg is related to The Graham of Montrose.
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My DNA update (previous results was an estimate)
England, Wales, Northwestern Europe 74%
Ireland & Scotland 17%
Norway 6%
Sweden 3%
Migrations North England & the Midlands (Yorkshire & Pennines)