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Hi
I am trying to find out more information about my Great-Uncle Joseph Remenyi and in particular, when he came to America,
I have records for him at Ellis Island in 1922 and 1923, but one source says he came to America in 1914.
He lived in Cleveland, Ohio and was a professor at the University there.
I have put all I know so far on my web-site
http://www.margulies-chronicles.com/ag/_margulies/bio/remejose1892.php
Would it be possible for SKS to look for him on the 1920 and 1930 censuses, and let me know any details there.
Another thought, are naturalization records accessable online, and if so, where could I look ?
Thanks in advance,
Bob
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Hi
could this be him? this is the only Remenyi living in Ohio 1930 Fed Census... He was a Music Teacher born Hungary Could it be Fred Joseph Remenyi..and he droped the Fred and Used Joseph Instead?
Personal Information Census Image What to do next?
Name: Fred J Remenyi
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Birthplace: New York
Relation to head-of-house: Head
Race: White
Home in 1930: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Family and neighbors: View Results
Occupation: Music Teacher
Education: .
Military service: .
Rent/home value: Rented
Age at first marriage: Single
Parents' birthplace: Hungary
Owned a radio: .
Image source: Year: 1930; Census Place: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio; Roll: 1768; Page: ; Enumeration District: 137; Image:
Everything looks possible except his place of birth which is stated as New York..
There are No Joseph Remenyi on the 1830 census
Hope this helps in some way
Regards
Iria
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Hi Iria,
Many thanks for the quick reply, but I don't think it is him, he was definitely born in Europe, and almost certainly Hungary.
He was quite famous / well-known as a Professor of Philosophy at Cleveland University, so maybe he was on holiday when the census was taken :)
Second thoughts: he's playing games with the census taker ?? The date of birth I have is 1892. Do you have his wife's name anywhere ? It should be Margaret, and they had no children.
Thanks again,
Bob
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Hi
Took a quick peek at the 1920 census
found in Cuyahoga, Ohio
Joseph Remenyi, age 28, B Hungary, parents born Hungary, to USA 1898, Naturalized in 1915. Newspaper Writer.
Marguerite, 27, emigrated same year, born Hungary, parents born Hungary,
Could this be your Joseph?
Valerie
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Hi Valerie,
Many thanks for the look-up.
It's very tantalising, the age is right, but .....
This source http://www.margulies-chronicles.com/ag/_margulies/img/remejose1892-mem2.jpg says he came to the States in 1914, and my Aunt say, her Uncle came to the States "in the early twenties", and certainly not with parents. They had three other children, who were all in Europe !
Maybe she meant "in his early twenties" (in 1914 he would be 22 years old)
I don't know what he was doing in 1920, but in 1929 he was a lecturer at Western Reserve University, Cleveland, ending up as professor.
Thanks again,
Bob
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REMENYI, JOSEPH (1 Dec. 1892-25 Sept. 1956) was a widely recognized Hungarian-American writer who served as professor of comparative literature at Western Reserve Univ. (see CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY) for a quarter-century. Born in Pozsony, Hungary, he was educated at Francis Joseph Royal Univ. in Szeged and also studies at the Universities of Budapest and Vienna. He worked for several European newspapers before emigrating to Cleveland in 1914 to become an editorial writer for the Hungarian-language daily, SZABADSAG. In 1918 he married Margaret Papolczy (1892-1975), a Hungarian-born actress who thereupon gave up the stage except for an appearance later that year in a one-act play written by her husband for the CLEVELAND PLAY HOUSE. Entitled 30 Jefferson Arcade, its setting was reminiscent of LAUKHUFF'S BOOKSTORE in the Taylor Arcade. Remenyi also began writing novels about the Hungarian-American immigrant experience, which were published in Hungarian back in Budapest. Some of them, such as Szerelmesek Voitak (They Were in Love), had a Cleveland background. He was hired by RAYMOND MOLEY† in 1922 to conduct social surveys for the CLEVELAND FOUNDATION and also was an immigration consultant for Cleveland Trust (see AMERITRUST). He began teaching in 1929 at WRU's Cleveland College, where his lectures on European writers often earned spontaneous applause from his classes. In 1935 he published an anthology of American authors, Modern American Fiction, in Budapest, while a collection of his own writings, Hungarian Writers and Literature, was published posthumously in this country under the direction of his widow in 1964. He died childless.
http://ech.cwru.edu/ech-cgi/article.pl?id=RJ
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Remenyi
Name: Joseph Remenyr
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Hungary
Relation to head-of-house: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Remenyr
Race: White
Home in 1930: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Year: 1930; Census Place: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio; Roll: 1776; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 457
Name: Joseph Reminge
Age: 28 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Birthplace: Hungary
Race: White
Home in 1920: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
writer - news paper
immigrated 1898
387 E118 St. U.S. Census 1920 United States Federal Census > Ohio > Cuyahoga > Cleveland > District 385 Ward 19 sheet 14 B
Roll: T625_1370
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Jozsef Remenyi correspondence, 1922-1948.
by Reme�nyi, Jo�zsef, 1891-1956.
Subjects
• Reme�nyi, Jo�zsef, 1891-1956.
• Authors, American -- Correspondence.
Description:
0.2 linear ft. (59 items)
Notes:
Organized by author. Arranged chronologically within author.
Historical Note:
Hungarian author, educator, newspaper editor, and professor of comparative literature at Western Reserve University.
Summary:
Letters from 27 well-known literary figures to Remenyi. Correspondents include James Branch Cabell, Willa S. Cather, Waldo Frank, Langston Hughes, Robert Nathan, Allen Tate, and Mark Van Doren.
Add Author:
Cabell, James Branch, 1879-1958.
Cather, Willa, 1873-1947.
Frank, Waldo David, 1889-1967.
Hughes, Langston, 1902-1967.
Nathan, Robert, 1894-
Tate, Allen, 1899-
Van Doren, Mark 1894-1972.
Manuscript at
The Western Reserve Historical Society
http://www.wrhs.org/
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Nice job Valentino !! - that's impressive !!
Annie
::) ::) ::) ::)
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I'll just have to quote Annie on that:
Nice job Valentino !! - that's impressive !!
That's fantastic !!! Thank you, very, very much !!
That is definitely going on Joszef's web-page !!
Bob
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PS.
svalentino, Welcome to RootsChat !! That's a great entrée !!
PPS.
Valerie, Looks like you did find the right Joseph Remenyi, a newspaper writer !
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Another thought. The 1920 census shows date of immigration of 1898.
From the New York Tmes Historical Papers:
EDOUARD REMENYI DEAD; The Violin Virtuoso Expires on the Stage in San Francisco at a Vaudeville Performance. HIS ENTRANCE IN A NEW FIELD The Audience Transported by the Music, Which Seemed to Show More Inspiration Than at Any Time Before. He died 15/MAY/1898
If Josephe's parents were at the funeral - he would have immigrated in 1898 - gone back to Hungary - and come back in 1914 as an adult.
Susan
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Hi Susan,
thanks for that thought :)
At the moment, I have no connection between Joseph's or Joszef's parents (Frantiszek and Johanna) and Edouard REMENYI, but I'll keep a note of this in case something turns up later.
Thanks again,
Bob
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Entering a date range including 1925 for Remenyi Joseph at Cuyahoga county land records site
http://recorder.cuyahogacounty.us/general.cfm
finds February/August buy/sell transactions for lot on Woodridge Rd (Cleveland Heights) in his and Margit's name.
Cleveland Necrology file Dec 1940 mentions death of 72 year-old Rose Lokosy (wife of Julius) mother of Mrs. Joseph Remenyi. The earlier mentioned 1920 Cleveland census with Joseph/Marguerete has such Julius/Rose (Lokos?) on the same page/address.
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Hi DougHo,
Welcome to RootsChat, I hope you enjoy it here as much as we all do !!
Many thanks for this information. I've just looked at the link you gave, and I shall definitely go there again, and see what else I can find.
Thanks !!
Not sure about the reference to Julius/Rose Lokos, though. As far as I know, his mother was called Johanna, and never left Europe. I'll check that one out with my aunt !
It's amazing what people can find, online !
Thanks again
Bob
ps:
I clicked on "Optionally Specify Document Types (up to 5)" just to see what was available --- WHOW !!!!
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Hungarian Wikipedia lists him as Reményi József
(Born Pozsony, 1891. december 1. – Died Cleveland, USA, 1956. szeptember 25.)
amerikai magyar író, irodalomtörténész.
The following baptism year and location is bit out, but the parents names are very similar to the details you gave,
Josephus Carolus Reményi
IGI Slovakia, Church and Synagogue Books, 1592-1910
baptism: 1890 Trenčianska Teplá, Trenčín, Slovakia
father: Franciscus Reményi mother: Johanna Mayerk
Roy G (Budapest)
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Hi Roy,
That is fantastic, thank you !!
I have his sister's birth certificate, where the father is given as Frantizek Ruml and the mother as Johanna Maier v. Veh
There is a note on the cert. which says:
"In accordance with the Regulation Number 115443 from 19.11.1898, from the
Ministry of Internal Affairs [the Home Office], the name was changed to "Reményi"
I asked about this on a german forum and I was told that this was because of "Magyarisation" or "Hungarisation" !
Due to ever-changing boundaries in the 19th. Century, Hungary included 'bits' of various other countries, each with their own cultures and languages. The Hungarians introduced various regulations with the aim of assimilating the non-hungarian (non-magyar) peoples into a more homogeneous - hungarian or magyarian - culture.
(Wiki article on Magyarisation / Hungarisation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarization)
Thanks again,
Bob
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Glad to help
I only just slung it in for you to consider because of the similarity of the parents' first names. You coming up with a very similar maiden name for the mother looks to clinch it. As there are no siblings listed in the same batch, it is quite possible that the family moved on to Poszony soon afterwards, and that is where Jozsef recalls being brought up.
Although you have a date, if his sister was subsequently born in Poszony, you would still need to know which of the many districts it was in. It would have to be one of these which although now in Slovakia, are supplementary to the Hungarian family history resources produced by the local MACSE group. Regrettably there is no index, they are just on a browse basis.
Pozsony, Német I. rész Pozsony, Német II. rész Pozsony, Német III. rész
Pozsony, Szentháromság
Pozsony, Szt. Márton I. rész Pozsony, Szt. Márton II. rész Pozsony, Szt. Márton III. rész
Pozsony, Szt. Márton IV. rész Pozsony, Szt. Márton V. rész
Pozsony, Virágvölgy I. rész Pozsony, Virágvölgy II. rész
Pozsonybeszterce Pozsonyhidegkút
Roy G
Post script. Changes between German and Hungarian on the sister's documents MAY mean that Johanna was also known as 'Mayer von Vegh'
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Hi Roy,
thanks for that, but the sister was born in 1893 in Zilina (Zsolna), now in Slovakia.
There were three sisters but I have no birth places for Annes (1896) and Mathilde (1897). I have some photos of them in Berlin in 1916, but I don't know if they lived there or were just visiting.
They moved around a lot - Mathilde lived (and died) in Vienna; Maria (my grandmother) lived in Vienna and died in England; Annes lived in Berlin and when her husband died, moved to Vienna, with Mathilde; and Joseph (Jozsef) lived (and died) in Cleveland, Ohio.
regards,
Bob
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Certificate of Arrival--For Naturalization Purposes
US Dept of Labor, Immigration Service
Ellis Island, NY, Mar 17, 1920
This is to certify that the following-named alien arrived at the port indicated, on the date and in manner described below, viz:
Name of alien: Remenyi, Josef
Port of entry: New York, NY
Date of arrival: May 11, 1914
Name of vessel: Carpathia Cunard Line
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2530
No. 15806
Declaration of Intention
United States of America,
Northern District of Ohio
In the District Court of the United States, Cleveland, Ohio.
I Joseph Remenyi, aged 26 years, occupation journalist, do declare on oath that my personal description is: Color white, complexion dark, height 5 feet 7 inches, weight 170 pounds, color of hair dark brown, color of eyes brown, other visible distinctive marks none.
I was born in Trencsn Teplic Hungary on the 1st day of December, anno Domini 1890; I now reside at 1929 E 59 St, Cleveland, Ohio.
I emigrated to the United States of America from Fiume Hungary on the vessel Carpathia; my last foreign residence was Porsony Hungary; I am ___ married; the name of my wife is Margaret; she was born Ungvar Hungary and now resides at Philadelphia Pa.
It is my bona fide intention to renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, and particularly to CHARLES, Emperor of Austria and Apostolic King of Hungary, of whom I am now a subject.
I arrived at the port of New York, in the State of New York, on or about the 22 day of May, anno Domini 1914; I am not an anarchist; I am not a polygamist nor a believer in the practice of polygamy; and it is my intention in good faith to become a citizen of the United States of America and to permanently reside therein: SO HELP ME GOD.
signed: Joseph Remenyi
Subscribed and sworn to before me in the office of the Clerk of said Court
at Cleveland, Ohio, this 31 day of Oct anno Domini 1917
B.C. Miller
Clerk of the District Court of the United States
By M.C. Petrich, Deputy Clerk
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Deposition of Clarence Sears Kates for the naturalization of Joseph Remenyi of 1588 East 118th,
Cleveland, Ohio
Deposition taken in Philadelphia, PA
Name: Clarence Sears Kates
Age: 50
Occupation: farming
Residence: Glen Lock, PA
Citizen: yes
Place of birth: Philadelpia
Period of residence in State of Pennsylvania: 50 years
1. State fully when, where, and under what circumstances you first met the petitioner, Joseph Remenyi, in the United States:
In the early spring of 1915 at the University Club, Phila, Pa. I met him thro Mr. Watts.
2. State the period during which he has resided continuously in the United States to your own person knowledge.
From early spring of 1915 to later part of 1916 when he went to Cleveland, Ohio.
3. During the time you were personally acquainted with the petitioner iin the United States, where did he reside?
He lived in Phila. Pa from spring of 1915 to later part of 1916.
4. State fully how you know that he resided there.
By seeing him right along as I was very much interested in the petitioner.
5. How frequently did you see him each month during that period?
At least once a month.
6. Was he absent from the United States or State during that period?
No sir.
7. When did he remove from the State of Pennsylvania?
Later part of 1916.
8. During the time you knew him, or at any time, was he ever arrested or engaged in any unlawful occupation?
No sir.
9. What was his reputation for good moral character during the period you knew him?
He had a good reputation.
10. From your personal knowledge of him, do you believe that the petitioner is a man of good moral character?
Yes.
11. Is the petitioner an anarchist or a polygamist, a believer in anarchy or in the practice of polygamy, or affiliated in any way with any persons opposed to or teaching disbelief in organized government?
No.
12. Do you believe from your personal knowledge of him that the petitioner is attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States?
Yes
13. Do you know of any reason why he should not be admitted to citizenship?
No
Signed: Clarence Sears Kates
17th day of May, 1920
Name of Notary Public
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Deposition of Harvey M Watts for the naturalization of Joseph Remenyi of 1588 East 118th,
Cleveland, Ohio
Name: Harvey M Watts
Age: 52 years
Occupation: editor
Residence: The Maryland, Phila, Pa
Citizen: yes
Place of birth: Philadelphia
Period of residence in Pennsylvania: 52 years
Answers to above questions
1. In early part of 1914 at the Ledger office Phila, Pa. He was introduced to me by a mutual friend who was interested in literary matters.
2. From early part of 1914 to later part 1916 when he went to Cleveland, O
3. He lived in Phila, Pa from early part of 1914 to later part of 1916
4. By seeing him almost every day as we lived in the same neighborhood
5. Almost every day
6. No
7. Later part of 1916
8. No
9. He had a good reputation
10. Yes
11. No
12. Yes
13. No
Signed: Harvey M Watts
17th day of May 1920
Notary Public
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No. 9957
United States of America
Petition for naturalization
To the Honorable the District Court of the United States for the Northern District of Ohio, at Cleveland Ohio:
The petition of Joseph Remanyi (as typed)
First. My place of residence is 1588 East 118th, Cleveland
Second. My occupation is Editor of :Speak English" Americanization Magazine
Third. I was born on the 1 day of Dec, anno Domini 1890, at Trencsen Templic, Hungary
Fourth. I emigrated to the United States from Fiume Hungary on or about the 2 day of May anno Domini 1914, and arrived in the United States, at the port of New York, NY, on the 11 day of May anno Domini 1914, on the vessel Carpathia.
Fifth. I declared my intention to become a citizen of the United States on the 31 day of Oct, anno Domini 1917 at Cleveland, Ohio, in the District Court of U.S.
Sixth. I am married. My wife's name is Margaret, she was born on the 25 day of Feb anno Domini 1892 at Ungvar, Hungary and now resides at Cleveland with me. I have no children.
Seventh. I am not a disbeliever in or opposed to organized government or a member of or affiliated with any organization or body of persons teaching disbelief in or opposed to organized government. I am not a polygamist nor a believer in the practice of polygamy. I am attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and it is my intention be become a citizen of the United States and to renounce absolutely and forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, and particularly to (faded stamp ending with--"within bounds of former Austro-Hungarian Empire", of whom at this time I am a subject, and it is my intention to reside permanently in the United States.
Eighth. I am able to speak the English language.
Ninth. I have resided continuously in the United States of America for the term of five years at least immediately preceding the date of this petition, to wit, since the 11 day of May anno Domini 1914, and in the State of Ohio, continuously next preceding the date of this petition, since the 15 day of Dec, anno Domini 1916, being a residence within the State of at least one year next preceding the date of this petition.
Tenth. I have not heretofore made petition for citizenship to any court.
Attached hereto and made a part of this petition are my declaration of intention to become a citizen of the United States and the certificate from the Department of Labor, together with my affidavit and the affidavits of the two verifying witnesses thereto, required by law. Wherefore your petitioner prays that he my be admitted a citizen of the United States of America.
signed: Joseph Remenyi
Declaration of Intention No. 15806 and Certificate of Arrival No. no number from Department of Labor filed this 28 day of April, 1920
Affidavits of Petitioner and Witnesses
United States of America
Northern District of Ohio
The aforesaid petitioner, being duly sworn, deposes and says that he is the petitioner in the above-entitled proceedings; that he has read the foregoing petition and knows the contents thereof; that the said petition is signed with his full true name; that the same is true of his own knowledge except as to matters therein stated to be alleged upon information and belief, and that as to those matters he believe it to be true.
Signed: Joseph Remenyi
Walter L Flory, occupation atty, residing at 2265 Stillman Ave, Cleveland, Ohio and Julia McCune Flory, occupation housewife, residing at 2265 Stillman Ave, Cleveland, Ohio each being severally, duly, and respectively sworn deposes and says that he is a citizen of the United States of America; that he has personally known Joseph Remenyi, the petitioner above mentioned, to have resided in the United States continuously immediately preceding the date of filing his petition, since the 10 day of Jan, anno Domini 1917, and in the State in which the above-entitled petition is made continuously since the 10 day of Jan, anno Domini 1917; and that he has personal knowledge that the said petitioner is a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and that the petitioner is in every way qualified, in his opinion, to be admitted a citizen of the United States.
Signed: Walter L Flory
Julia McCune Flory
Dated: 28 day of April, anno Domini 1920
B.C. Miller, Clerk
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How fascinating that a topic can lie dormant for about 9 years and then get kickstarted again with such vigour from a chance discovery. Well done Genealiza.
I can't recall whether your previous texts have covered his wife Margaret's birth and death, but if so, here it is again from the USA Social Security index
Margaret (aka Hungarian Margit or Franco-Gernanised to Marguerite or Margarethe) Remenyi born 25 feb 1892, Died aged 83, Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio, December 1975.
I see from when Margaret returned to the USA on 23 July 1923, she delared her father was also a citizen of the USA. Would that have meant that although Hungarian Slavs, the couple met and married in America?
Earlier correspondence also has her mother as Rose Lokosy (wife of Julius [Gyula]) which looks to be a variation (or Americanisation) of his wife's maiden name which has been shown in a biography as Papolczy.
New start points for further research.
Roy G
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This is amazing ! Thank you very much Genealiza :)
And thanks to Roy for voicing my thoughts, and for providing the kickstarter:
How fascinating that a topic can lie dormant for about 9 years and then get kickstarted again with such vigour from a chance discovery. Well done Genealiza.
Roy, I have most of that information about Margaret Remenyi, née Papaloczy (but not that "her father was also a citizen of the USA")
http://www.margulies-chronicles/ag/_margulies/bio/remejose1892.php.
You mention Rose Lokosy: re-reading this topic I see I totally misunderstood the previously given information about Rose:
Cleveland Necrology file Dec 1940 mentions death of 72 year-old Rose Lokosy (wife of Julius) mother of Mrs. Joseph Remenyi. The earlier mentioned 1920 Cleveland census with Joseph/Marguerete has such Julius/Rose (Lokos?) on the same page/address.
For some reason I thought this referred to Joseph's mother:
Not sure about the reference to Julius/Rose Lokos, though. As far as I know, his mother was called Johanna, and never left Europe. I'll check that one out with my aunt !
Ooops ! :-[
Once again, Roy and Genealiza - Many thanks :)
Bob
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Hi Bob
You noted that I commented that Margaret's father was a USA citizen. I deduced that because when she returned to the USA in 1923 on the SS Orduna, her USA citizenship was declared, "By father's papers" and not by her husband's.
My wife (the Hungarian national) has also been reading this and wanted me to add a bit more that she personally deduced from the Hungarian biography below and her observation of other related texts.
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem%C3%A9nyi_J%C3%B3zsef_%28%C3%ADr%C3%B3%29
Jozsef's Hungarian biography written by someone unknown, stated that his student days were spent studying law in Pozsony and when he first went to the USA, he was working at the Austro-Hugarian Consolate (Embassy?). If that was the case, perhaps he was not like many others who arrived in the USA because they were fleeing from European poverty or oppression, but had been engaged by the Embassy to fill that position before he arrived. Presumably his decision to become a national in 1917 was strongly influenced by the Americans becoming involved in WW1, and may be why the picture of his 3 sisters taken in Berlin in 1916 meant so much to him.
His eventual return to Europe as a reporter would have then been when the Trianon Treaty was being implemented and his native Hungary was loosing teritories to various other countries. (Note him returning to the USA post Trianon in 1922 and 1923) It is therefore a possibility that he and Margaret were combining business with pleasure by not only reporting on the efffects of Trianon but also taking a last opportunity to meet up with surviving relelatives.
My wife also said I should point out that when Magaret said she was from Ungvar, she was not using a derivitive of a word saying she was Hungarian (Ungarn). Instead, she was using the actual name of a place now called Uzhgorod, which the Trianon Treaty above had relocated to the Ukrainian side of the border where Hungary, Slovakia and the Ukraine 'presently' intersect.
Just thought some of these observations and ideas in a historical and geographical context might be useful.
Regards Roy G
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Hi Bob
You noted that I commented that Margaret's father was a USA citizen. I deduced that because when she returned to the USA in 1923 on the SS Orduna, her USA citizenship was declared, "By father's papers" and not by her husband's.
My wife (the Hungarian national) has also been reading this and wanted me to add a bit more that she personally deduced from the Hungarian biography below and her observation of other related texts.
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem%C3%A9nyi_J%C3%B3zsef_%28%C3%ADr%C3%B3%29
Jozsef's Hungarian biography written by someone unknown, stated that his student days were spent studying law in Pozsony and when he first went to the USA, he was working at the Austro-Hugarian Consolate (Embassy?). If that was the case, perhaps he was not like many others who arrived in the USA because they were fleeing from European poverty or oppression, but had been engaged by the Embassy to fill that position before he arrived. Presumably his decision to become a national in 1917 was strongly influenced by the Americans becoming involved in WW1, and may be why the picture of his 3 sisters taken in Berlin in 1916 meant so much to him.
His eventual return to Europe as a reporter would have then been when the Trianon Treaty was being implemented and his native Hungary was loosing teritories to various other countries. (Note him returning to the USA post Trianon in 1922 and 1923) It is therefore a possibility that he and Margaret were combining business with pleasure by not only reporting on the efects of Trianon but also taking a last opportunity to meet up with a few surviving relelatives.
My wife also said I should point out that when Magaret said she was from Ungvar, she was not using a derivitive of a word saying she was Hungarian (Ungarn). Instead, she was using an actual name of a place now called Uzhgorod, which the Trianon Treaty above relocated to the Ukrainian side of the border where Hungary, Slovakia and the Ukraine 'presently' intersect.
Just thought some of these observations and ideas in a historical and geographical context might be useful.
Regards Roy G
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Hi Roy,
Thank you for your comments. No, he definitely wasn't a refugee - my impression is that the family was fairly well off, and the three sisters all "married well" - Maria's husband - Hans Margulies - was a journalist and Mathilde's husband - Viktor Stein - later became president of the Finanzprokuratur in Vienna.
Just thought some of these observations and ideas in a historical and geographical context might be useful.
Very true. So much of what we research is just the bare facts of places and dates on various "official" bits of paper, so anything over and above this is very useful.
Thanks again for the information, and a special thanks to your wife, for her thoughts and translations - that is all new information for me.
regards,
Bob