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My grandfather John Anderson RNVR First WW; saw action at Dardenelles on a minesweeper; ship was sunk;he caught typhoid and cas-evac to RN Haslar Hospital Portsmouth on hospital ship HMS Aquitania;died at Cumbernauld.
His sisters were Margaret Eadie Anderson, QARANC, and Jennifer Anderson. Neither married. Margaret buried in Glendevon Parish Church.
Their father also John Anderson, and an uncle Robert (?).
Any one out there able to provide any more details ? :)
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Do you have any dates or his draft number or is he one of these:
ANDERSON, John, Able Seaman, RNVR, Clyde 2/2702, Diligence, 4 November 1917, drowned
ANDERSON, John, Act/Leading Seaman, RNR, B 3208, Calliope, steamship, 12 July 1917, submarine action, ship lost
ANDERSON, John, Able Seaman, RNVR, CZ 5648, RND, Anson Battalion, 17 November 1916, France, DOI
ANDERSON, John, Chief Stoker, 276492, Erin, 25 April 1915, died in UK
ANDERSON, John, Stoker 1c, SS 110650 (Po), Black Prince, 31 May 1916, Jutland, ship lost
ANDERSON, John A, Carpenter's Crew, M 16423 (Ch), Indefatigable, 31 May 1916, Jutland, ship lost
ANDERSON, John C, Seaman, RNR, A 2235, Mantua, 5 August 1915, died
ANDERSON, John D, Signalman, RNVR, Clyde Z 8101, Bittern, 4 April 1918, ship lost
ANDERSON, John E, Private, RMLI, S 721 (Ply), RND, 2nd RM Battalion, 26 October 1917, France, killed
ANDERSON, John R, Cooper (Pens), 135921 (Ch), Hawke, 15 October 1914, ship lost
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Hi Sula
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Can't easily see a John with a father John with a reference to living in or born in Auchterarder as yet on the 1901 census. There is an entry for a Margarert Eadie Anderson, daughter of Peter and Margaret b. 1889 in Auchterarder, which is a close match in birth year to the Margaret Anderson who died in Glendevon in 1970 (is this the correct death?).
What additional info do you have on your grandfather. Lots of questions here which will help us all in finding his family:
Did he marry in England or Scotland?
What was father John's occupation?
What was his approximate birth year?
Have you managed to see his death cert. which would include details of his parents (if known to the informant).
Monica :)
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First of all thank you very much for your replies. John Anderson married Eleanor, (Mitchell from Greenock maybe around 1917/ 1918 )- she had sisters Florence, Elspeth and maybe another sister Anne (who I believe emigrated to Canada). Their father was Dugald MacI nnes Mitchell and I'm told a sea captain. Ella died in 1919 in Southampton a few months after giving birth. An address at the Polygon in Southampton.
John Anderson was on the MV Northmoor which struck amine and sank off the west coast of Ireland on 17 March 1917.
He was a qualified marine Engineer and I believe did some of his training at the North British Locomotive works in Glasgow, whilst sudying at a technical college in Glasgow. I also seem to remember many years ago seeing his certificate and exam paper questions dated around 1899 / 1900.
I'm told that some of the family were in service at Gleneagles House, and that there are graves in Blackford (which I think is near Auchterarder) where a number of Andersons are buried tho I don't know where John Anderson's grave is. I would like to visit if its still exists.
I recall being told that he walked several miles to get to school which was presumably in Auchterarder.
I have a photograph of him which could be Stanley Park Vancouver next to one of the giant Redwood trees. It would be about 1910/ 11
I don't think John Anderson had a middle name.
The Aquitania was of course one of the luxury Cunard Liners which saw service in both World Wars. There was an article in a recent copy of the Scots Magazine.
best wishes
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Hi Sula
Thanks for the PM :)
I thought I would respond on your main post to try and keep your threads all together - also always the possibility that the more information that is added, the higher the chance that someone may recognise some of the names in their lines!
Re Eleanor, this looks like here and family in the 1901 census. I've taken it from a transcript, which as you can see below, is a bit garbled at points:
Dugald Mitchall, Mechanceae Engencer, b. Greenock
Elizabeth A Mitchall 38, b. England
Annie E Mitchall 15, b. England
Elenor Mitchall 9, b. Greenock
Elizabeth A Mitchall 6, b. Greenock
Florence Mitchall 6 months, b. Greenock
Address: At Sea ::), Greenock
I found John and Eleanor's marriage I think, in England:
Marriages 2nd Qrt 1916
Anderson John and Eleanor Mitchell in Grimsby Vol. 7a Pg. 1605
The marriage cert would help to confirm John's age, father and father's occupation, giving us a fresh stab at the censuses for him.
Now that we have Eleanor with family and her approx. birth year, she must have been a bit younger than John if he was doing his training at the NBL works in Glasgow in the late 1890s...hopefully, the marriage cert will reveal more to help us track him down :)
Monica
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Sula
Bear with me as I list some census entries ;)
Back in earlier posts, you said that Margaret Eadie Anderson was a sister of John. It was easy to be distracted by the one and only census entry showing as Margaret Eadie Anderson born in Auchterarder c. 1889! The only problem with this entry is that her parents were Peter and Margaret, rather than father John.
I've gone through the censuses again, and found a possibility for John and father John and a possible reason why your John's sister had a middle name Eadie. Also, ticking another couple boxes from the info you have, are references to Gleanagles House and Blackford...phew!
If I can start back and then go forward. There is a John Anderson and a Margaret EADIE who married on 09 DEC 1855 (actual extract) in Blackford, Perth. A submitted entry on IGI has the following info:
JOHN ANDERSON
Parents:JAMES ANDERSON and JANET FORBES
Spouse:MARGARET EADIE
Parents:WILLIAM EADIE and MARY STEWART
Marriage: 11 DEC 1855 Blackford, Perth, Scotland
Husband Age at Marriage: 48
Wife Age at Marriage: 23
Children showing to John and Margaret on IGI - all births in Blackford:
1. WILLIAM ANDERSON Birth: 28 DEC 1856
2. MARY STEWART ANDERSON Birth: 07 MAY 1858
3. JOHN ANDERSON Birth: 03 APR 1860
4. ANN ANDERSON Birth: 18 MAR 1862
5. MARGARET ANDERSON Birth: 04 MAR 1864
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1861 Census - everyone born in Blackford:
John Anderson 52, gamekeeper
Margaret Anderson 28
William Anderson 4
John Anderson 1
Robert Eadie 26, visitor, spirit merchant
Ann Lawson 23, servant
Address: Gleneagles House, Blackford
1871 Census - not sure if John Snr. may have died:
Margret Anderson 38, head, housekeeper
John Anderson 11
Margret Anderson 7
Janet Anderson, mother in law, annuitant, b. Ardoch, Perthshire
Address: Gleneagles House, Blackford
1881:
Margaret Anderson 48, head, housekeeper
John Anderson 21, brewer
Margaret Anderson 17
Address: Gleneagles House, Blackford
1891 - Possible marriage/family for your John perhaps. Everyone showing as born in Stirling:
John Anderson 31, brewer, b. Blackford
Jessie Anderson 37
George Scotland 12, stepson
Jessie Anderson 5...Jessie/Janet/Jennifer?
Maggie Anderson 3...sister Margaret (Eadie?) A.
John Anderson 1, b. Stirling...Your John I hope!
Address: Forth Pl, Stirling
1901 - not sure where parents John and Jessie are (they may have died?) but this looks like the children:
William E Anderson 44, Brewers Agent & Tea Mercht., b. Blackford
Agnes M Anderson 32, wife b. Edinburgh
Margaret Anderson 70, mother,
Margaret Anderson 13, neice, b. Stirling
John Anderson 11, nephew, b. Stirling
Margaret Anderson 2, servant, b. Blairgowrie, Perthshire
Address: The Bangalow, Auchterarder
There is a Jessie Anderson showing as niece in 1901:
Robert Duff 55, farmer, b.Metherin, Perthshire....this may well be 'Uncle Robert'
Maggie A Duff 37, b. Blackford....and likely aunt to your John
Robert W Duff 4, b. Kilmadock
Margaret M E Duff 10months, b. Kilmadock
Jessie Anderson 15, niece, b. Stirling
Annie Rainey McDonald 17, servant
George Guthrie 19, servant
James Lafferty 20, servant
Address: Upper Lanrick Farm, Kilmadock Perth.
The only thing from what you said that is bothering me, is the ref. to his certificate and exam paper questions dated around 1899 / 1900. Going by the info above, if we are on the right track, in would have to have been closer to 1909/10.
Hopefully, the marriage cert for your John and Eleanor will be conclusive - it would be good to see father John as brewer or similar occupation ;)
Monica
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Curiosity always get the better of me, the longer I focus on a search ::)
We have your grandfather John with the details above :D You mentioned a death for him in Cumbernauld. He died before the cut off for viewing certs on line at Scotlands People. The details:
24 October 1942: John Anderson, 53, marine engineer widower of Ella Mitchell.
Usual residence, Ravenswood, Cumbernauld.
Parents: John Anderson, brewer and Jessie Anderson, previously Scotland, maiden name RAE - both deceased
Cause of death: pulmonary tuberculosis, informant xxx Duff, cousin.
Great result for you Sula :)
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A minor contribution to this thread..........
Elizabeth Ann MITCHELL was born in 1894 in Greenock to Dugald MITCHELL, Engineer, and Elizabeth Ann MITCHELL MS TAYLOR, who had married in 1884 in Sunderland.
Wullie
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And then there's the 1885 marriage of John ANDERSON, Brewer, 24, parents John ANDERSON, Farmer (deceased) and Ann ANDERSON MS EADIE, to Jessie SCOTLAND Widow 30, parents George RAE (deceased) and Janet RAE MS TAYLOR..................
Wullie
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Thanks for the postings 8 and 9 with further information adding to the 'threads'.
I'm looking to scan in some photographs of John Anderson. For instance there is a studio portrait of John and his two older sisters ( Margaret and Jenny/Janet ) taken, I was told, shortly after the death of their mother. The y are dressed as for a period of mourning ; John is probably about two and ahalf and not really aware of the solemnity of the situation whereas the girls are quite sad looking.
Other photos in his later life and quite a few in his photo album taken on the SY Sunbeam.
The Sunbeam was broken up in the 30s, but there exists an engineering model in the Durbar room in the museum at Hastings in Sussex. It looks very similar to the photographs in John's album so could be the same ship / steam yacht.
It was previously owned by the Brassey family of the Normanhurst Estates in East Sussex, and they went on a round the world trip in the 1870s, recorded by Lady Brassey in her book 'Voyage in the Sunbeam'. There are originals of this book in the same museum. I also have an original passed down thru my family. I understand the Brasseys had been railway engineers in South America, and later members of the family represented Kent constituencies in Parliament.
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Thanks for the last posting and a further 'thread' in the picture.
In his journal John Anderson refers to his second voyage to sea. An interesting line is ;
" Very few people saw us sail [from Grangemouth]. Mr W Eadie the owner was one of them and another was George Scotland who was amazed to see such a small ship setting out on such a voyage [ to Vancouver]. The engineers of a ship never see much of the arrival and departure from port, they are too busy down below.
Getting right away we soon passed under the Forth Bridge and settled down for whatever was in store for us."
I'm planning to post all of the journal, which I think he typed up during the time he lived at Ravenswood Farm, Cumbernauld.
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The date of departure from Grangemouth would have been early 1911.
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Sula sgeir has asked me to attach the photograph for John Anderson
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In the photograph John Anderson is second from the right.
It is in post card format and on the back says ' The Stanley Park Photographers, Vancouver, B.C. Negative no 7111 '
The typed message says " Dear Cousin, You'll be glad to hear Your Nephew John is leaving here about the first week in the year for dear AULD SCOTLAND "
No dates are given.
I have read recently that Stanley Park Vancouver is being or has been given a 'makeover'. The management there might be interested to see this photo, so some one out there might like to draw their attention to the record of John Anderson's visit.
Who were his companioins on that day in 1910 / 11 ? Perhaps the man on his left was the Chief Engineer as JA was the Third Engineer on the vessel.
Any car buffs out there able to identify the car - we're certainly in the early days of motoring !
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Sula sgeir has asked me to attach the photograph for John Anderson
John Anderson is second from the right (as we look at the photograph). He is at Stanley Park Vancouver.
Who are his companions? The man on his left could be the Chief Engineer, as John Anderson was the Third Engineer - it being only his second voyage to sea.
Any car buffs out there tell us the make an d model ? We are talking early days of motoring here - 1911 !
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The photograph was taken at Stanley Park, Vancouver probably early 1911, following the voyage from Grangemouth. John Anderson is the second on the right (looking at the photo). Who are the others ? Perhaps the Chief engineer is the man on his left, and the other two are the driver and 'shotgun'.
The photograph has been set up as a post card and on the back JA is addressing his Cousin (no name given) saying that he looks forward to being back in Scotland. There are no dates on the card.
I have read that Stanley Park has recently been 'refurbished' (did it suffer some storm damage ?) so if anyone from the Park is reading this, here is an early image.
And what of the car - we are talking very early days of motoring here so are there any car buffs out there who can identify the vehicle. Interestingly my other grandfather's brother went (from Glasgow) to work in the auto industry in Detroit but I think that was in the early 1920s.
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I seem to be repeating myself here due to my not realising that there is now a second page for John Anderson ! 8)
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Thanks for the last posting and a further 'thread' in the picture.
In his journal John Anderson refers to his second voyage to sea. An interesting line is ;
" Very few people saw us sail [from Grangemouth]. Mr W Eadie the owner was one of them and another was George Scotland who was amazed to see such a small ship setting out on such a voyage [ to Vancouver]. The engineers of a ship never see much of the arrival and departure from port, they are too busy down below.
Getting right away we soon passed under the Forth Bridge and settled down for whatever was in store for us."
I'm planning to post all of the journal, which I think he typed up during the time he lived at Ravenswood Farm, Cumbernauld.
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Mr W. Eadie was my great grandfather William Eadie and the ship in question was s. British Empire. This ship had been damaged in a collision in the Manchester Ship Canal and the Grangemouth & Greenock Dockyard Company bought and repaired the ship before selling it to William Eadie. This ship joined the s.Cetriana that had sailed the previous year from Scotland to Vancouver. A third ship s.Petriana had also sailed to Vancouver from Scotland but this was sold in about 1911. I have more information on the ships.
John Anderson was related to William Eadie as Margaret Eadie (I think John's grandmother) was a sister of Robert Eadie, William Eadie's father.
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Hello, it would be very nice to hear from you via the private messages sent. My name is Bron, your other Cousin has also written. I inadvertently posted GROS data a while back. It, I assume strongly, was for you.
I work in ancestry.com as b1b2j3
My pages note (without GROS references)
1901
Age: 11 Residence
The Bungalow, Auchterarder, Perthshire, Scotland
William E. Anderson & Agnes. Mother in Law Margaret nee: Eadie, Anderson. Margaret Anderson 21 as 'Servant', Nephew & Niece- John Anderson 11, Margaret Anderson 13 Possibly John Anderson (died 1895) snr's children.1 source citation Hide source citations 1901 Scotland Census1917
Age: 27 Possible Marriage. From aka "Sula Sgeir" of Roots Web Chat.
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Let us not forget Victor Horsburgh, architect, his Brother MacKintosh 'Mac' Horsburgh (Eadie Anderson Cousins) and Alexander Eadie and several other Eadie, Anderson and Lawson etal Family Members, went to Canada.
Some came back to Scotland after military service for the Commonwealth (WW1 & 2) and others stayed. Others like my own from the Eadie, Burden, Bannatyne's came to Australia. Much like my Cousin of the Lawson and Williams. Others, of those of our other Cousin and Family Genealogist, andrew, stayed in Scotland. My Eadie Burden family also drifted, as brewers and tea merchants to England. As described on my ancestry.com pages.
The photo next to the redwoods look distinctly like the Eadie adults and Children's images, or familial resemblance.
Bron
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The person driving looks like an Eadie and the 'child' next to him is his Son. My Cuz Andrew can clarify the image against familial ....
From Australia
Eadie, Burden, Bannatyne
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hello abe23 and b1b2j3, thanks very much for your very interesting entries - I felt there were people 'out there' who would be connected and have information. I'll respond in a bit more detail later but just briefly for now;
The surname Horsburgh is known to me, as a cousin pointed out a house in Edinburgh some years ago, and also a bungalow in Auchterarder.
The name of the ship British Empire is also known to me and John Anderson makes an amusing comment in his journal about the name v. the appearance of the ship! I didn't know much else, nor about the sister ships.
John's sister Margaret was Margaret Eadie Anderson. Some years ago I noticed a baker's in the high street by name of Eadie. Margaret lies in the churchyard at Glendevon, having spent the last years at her cousin's house in Glendevon. I have a portrait picture of Maragret in her QUARANC uniform - she was a nurse in WW1.
Thank you for the comment about my research - however :)its all from my memory. As a young child I was always interested in who was who in the family and used to question older relations, and keep artefacts I was given - such as John Anderson's journal, and his photo album. I'll try and get this information on line.
Thanks too Monica for contacting me.
best wishes for now.
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We are most certainly your Cousins. I am so glad you got the Horsburgh hint. It is fairly important.
However, I personally feel quite hampered by not being able to give my private email. Not being very familiar with Rootschat, I do not know if this message is to you as private or to you or in the public forum. So, I need, right now to protect others.
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I anticipate Andrew below has contacted you?
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Consider an Eadie & his Son in the front seat and a possible Horsburgh in the back. I must check their (Wm Eadie & Son or a similar round faced Eadie, aged). Travel to Canada.
Bron
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I cannot post this photograph on site until we sort out who they are and gain permission, governance about the photograph itself.
Bron
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Hi Bron
That's great that you have now made contact :) You might want to edit your post with your personal email on it (just use the modify button on the specific post) before it is sapped into oblivion by the Mods! Best way to exchange personal emails is through the PM system :)
Monica
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thank you. You may blot out my email. It's just that, there is no connection as yet and I have the strongest virus scan, vigilantee programs as compared to my cousins.
Many thanks though,
Bron, blot me out bigpond
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I'd also like to make the point that Monica has been very helpful in researching details, such as the register entry in Grimsby for John's marriage to his beloved Ella, the death certificate entries for John Anderson and his Aunt Margret Duff (nee Anderson) which is information I previously did not have. See also the numerous earlier posts in the story from Monica. :)
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Great to hear this. Monica has us connected? Your Cousins await a reply.
Bron
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Duh bron, one (me) is a dumb bum- Mods means moderators. Well so be it. Blot my email out. Trying to get our Cousin to reply private, despite all efforts. I still have my independent / independency of action here.
bron
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Sula has asked me to post another photo from the album!
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From Sula's notes:
Photo dating from about 1934/5
John Anderson is top right - just in front of him his daughter Elizabeth Janet Forbes, aged about 15 / 16 - on her right is John's sister Janet Anderson(glasses), and on her right is John's other sister Margaret Eadie Anderson (QARANC in World War 1), on her right is a younger woman whose identity I don't know but I believe she died quite young - perhaps the daughter of Margaret Duff. At the back is John's Aunt, Margaret Duff (nee Anderson) the mother of John and Robert Duff (one of whom is probably taking the photograph).
After WW2 a 'New Town' was built at Cumbernauld as at others such as Milton Keynes, and Harlow in Essex, in the 1960s and it is possible that Ravenswood went under the concrete. The farmhouse was quite 'mansion like' as seen in another photo. I think the original village of Cumbernauld lies beside a nearby motorway.
John Anderson and his Aunt died within a few days of each other in 1942.
Neither Janet or Margaret married - a dearth of young men after WW1 ?
I believe Janet was house-keeper to a doctor and his family at St Leonards on Sea, Sussex.
The setting of the photo is Ravenswood Farm, Cumbernauld, near Stirling. The farm was run by the brothers John and Robert Duff, sons of Margaret. I think their father died quite early.
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Bron, don't get upset if you are blotted out ;D It's only done by the moderators at RootsChat to prevent your email being used by bad people (spammers and the like). It is just the forum's policy to use the PM service to exchange personal emails for that reason :)
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I took sometime to look at the photo last night and the driver is definitely William Eadie and the passenger in the front is his son James Eadie.
The car is probably an Albion. Albion only manufactured cars until about 1914 when they solely concentrated on lorries. I believe that William Eadie imported some Albions into Vancouver.
You can see a photo of Gleneagle House on the Blackford Historical Society website http://www.blackfordhistoricalsociety.org.uk/gallery_2_29.html
I thought that I had a photo of John Anderson's grave in Blackford Churchyard but all I have is the info from pre 1855 MIs for South Perthshire by Mitchell published by Scottish Genealogy Society,
1823; Jas Anderson d. 7.1822 62Y, wife Janet Forbes d. 1881 97Y, son John d. 1.3.1866 58Y (wife Margt. Eadie d. 10.11.1910 80Y, son John d. 7.3.1895 35Y); John Anderson d. -.10.1942 53Y
I will take a photo the next time we are passing by Blackford. I have found a photo that I took back in 1991 of an earlier Anderson gravestone in the churchyard that is attached.
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William Eadie took his wife and daughter along with his sons William, Alexander and James to Vancouver. His other sons Robert & John remained in Glasgow. William Eadie's business plans were thrown into disarray by WWI and William returned to Glasgow by 1917. The only son who remained in Vancouver was Alexander.
His ship s.Cetriana was involed in the Mexican Revolution evacuating refugees.
In addition his other daughter also went to Vancouver with her husband Rober Freer who was an electrical engineer. Interestingly Robert Freer also studied at Glasgow & West of Scotland Technical College between 1897 and 1903 as a part time student. The Technical College is now Strathclyde University.
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I should say as well that the Hordburghs, Victor and MaC (Mackintosh) came from a photographer Family. So, the camera person may have been a brother, John Horsburgh senior or one of the sisters. There is a cousin who lived with Victor until her death as well. All artistic little critters!
Bron
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Sula has asked me to post another photo from the album!
Oh my gosh, I recognised the woman with glasses and the bloke far right. Will check. Told you there were lots of clever women in the Family. thank you.
Bron
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Some background to the on the day Census. Jessie Taylor Rae was previously married to Robert Scotland. And, her Sister, Margaret Taylor Rae also married my Uncle (of the same Eadie Family- Peter Burden) Bit weird hey! But anywaysMargaret Taylor Rae died early also.
Bron
1890
Birth
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
From Andrew Eadie-John Anderson's grandmother was Margaret Eadie, sister of Ann & Robert (my great great grandfather). Have joined RootsChat.com and have posted a reply. Have also left a message for sula sgeir.2 source citations Hide source citations 1901 Scotland Census 1891 Scotland Census1891
Age: 1 Residence
Forth Place, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
John Anderson & Jessie 37 (widow of Robert Scotland marriage), Anderson Parents. John a Step Parent Jessie George's Mother. Other Children- Jessie, John & Maggie Anderson.1 source citation Hide source citations 1891 Scotland Census1901
Age: 11 Residence
The Bungalow, Auchterarder, Perthshire, Scotland
William E. Anderson & Agnes. Mother in Law Margaret nee: Eadie, Anderson. Margaret Anderson 21 as 'Servant', Nephew & Niece- John Anderson 11, Margaret Anderson 13 Possibly John Anderson (died 1895) snr's children.
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Elizabeth Janet Forbes Anderson Birth. FreeBDM. Elizabeth Janet Forbes Anderson. Mother Mitchell. Birth. Jan Feb Mar 1919, in Southampton, Hampshire, Berkshire, United Kingdom.
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Family Pic on Steps. Not entirely sure, but could the woman, glasses at back next to John Anderson be Margaret Anderson? Did she marry a Duff? Her Parents were: Parents John Anderson 1807 – 1866 and Margaret Eadie 1832 – 1910
1864
4 Mar Birth
Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom3 source citations Hide source citations 1871 Scotland Census 1881 Scotland Census 1891 Scotland Census1871
Age: 7 Residence
Gleneagles House, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland1 source citation Hide source citations 1871 Scotland Census1881
Age: 17 Residence
Gleneagles House, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland1 source citation Hide source citations 1881 Scotland Census1891
Age: 27 Residence
Gleneagle House, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland1 source citation
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Your QUOTE- John's sister Margaret was Margaret Eadie Anderson. Some years ago I noticed a baker's in the high street by name of Eadie. Margaret lies in the churchyard at Glendevon, having spent the last years at her cousin's house in Glendevon. I have a portrait picture of Maragret in her QUARANC uniform - she was a nurse in WW1.
QARANC - Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps
Information about the QARANC The Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps
The QARANC (Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps) has served the nursing and medical needs of the British army, their allies, prisoners of war and local civilians since 1854. Though they were then known as the Army Nursing Service and then the Queen Alexandra’s Imperial Military Nursing Service before becoming QA's and forming the corps of QARANC in 1949.
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1895 SRI Death ANDERSON, JOHN. Death. 27 March 1895. John Anderson, Brewer of Blackford, Perthshire. Died at Gleneagles House, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. Widower of Jessie Rae. Johns Parents, John Anderson, Farmer and Mary nee: Eadie. Died of Phthisis Pulmonaris. Consumption. Of 2 years duration. Witnesses are, William Anderson (1856-1943), Brother and present at death.
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GROS. Statutory Deaths. Death 12 May 1892. Jessie nee Taylor Rae, Anderson. Previously married to Robert Scotland, at death, married to John Anderson (Widower). Death Cause, Malignant disease of the Uterus. Death, 12 May 1892. Jessie nee Taylor Rae, 34 years of age. Married name is Anderson. Previously Scotland, previously Anderson. Married 1. to Robert Scotland, Clothier and 2. to John Anderson, Brewer at Stirling. Parents as George Rae, Joiner Master and Janet nee: Taylor. Witness John Anderson, Widower. ANDERSON, JESSIE.
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GROS. Statutory Deaths. Death 12 May 1892. Jessie nee Taylor Rae, Anderson. Previously married to Robert Scotland, at death, married to John Anderson (Widower). Death Cause, Malignant disease of the Uterus. Death, 12 May 1892. Jessie nee Taylor Rae, 34 years of age. Married name is Anderson. Previously Scotland, previously Anderson. Married 1. to Robert Scotland, Clothier and 2. to John Anderson, Brewer at Stirling. Parents as George Rae, Joiner Master and Janet nee: Taylor. Witness John Anderson, Widower. ANDERSON, JESSIE ... GROS.
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Actual text: ANDERSON, JOHN - RAE, JESSIE Statutory Marriages. Marriage to John Anderson and Jessie Rae. 105 Hill Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. ANDERSON, JOHN - RAE, JESSIE Statutory Marriages - Groom, John Anderson, Occupation as Brewer, Bachelor, (34). Address as 84 St Mary's Wynd, Stirling. John Parents, John Anderson, Farmer and Mother, Ann nee: Eadie. Bride, Jessie (30), Small Wares Merchant, formerly married to Robert Scotland. Maiden name Rae. Parents, George Rae Joiner (dec) and Janet nee: Taylor. Marriage 1885. John Anderson and Jessie nee Rae, formerly wife of Robert Scotland.
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My Notes:
Not updated on my ancestry.com, until I can verify from Eadie Family genealogist or yourself.
Parents George Rae 1816 – 1885 and Janet Taylor 1818
spouse 1. Robert Scotland 1839-1881. children are
Robert Scotland 1867 –
George Robert Rae Scotland 1879
spouse 2. John Anderson 1860 – 1895. Children are
Jenny Jessie Jane Anderson 1886 –
Maggie Margaret Anderson 1888 –
John Anderson 1890 –
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Grand Pop. George Rae. Married to Spouse- Janet Taylor 1818 –
1885
Abt Age: 69 Death
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Dead by Daughter Jessie Taylor Rae; ANDERSON, JOHN - RAE, JESSIE (Statutory Marriages bleep bleep). 13 June 1885. Marriage to John Anderson and Jessie Rae. 105 Hill Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. ANDERSON, JOHN - RAE, JESSIE.
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1816
AbtBirth
Comrie & Crieff, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom2 source citations Hide source citations 1861 Scotland Census 1881 Scotland Census1839
DecAge: 23 Marriage to Janet Taylor
Inverkeithing, Fife & Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Two dates, separate, then joined Counties. 16/12/1839 RAE GEORGE JANET TAYLOR/ M INVERKEITHING bleep bleep GROS; 17/12/1839 RAE GEORGE JANET TAYLOR/FR M DENNY bleep 0003.1 source citation Hide source citations ScotlandsPeople GROS Database. 1839
Age: 23 Occupation
Wright Joiner1861
Age: 45 Residence
Loanhead, St Ninians, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Janet & George Parents. Children- Christina 21 1840, Georgine 7 1854, James 19 1842, Jessie 13 1848, John 5 1856, Marg 11 1850, Mary Taylor Rae 1 1860, Peter 17 1844. Plus Wm Baird 20 1841.1 source citation Hide source citations 1861 Scotland Census1881
Age: 65 Residence
Loanhead, St Ninians, Stirlingshire, Scotland
George 65, Janet 63. Joiner Carpenter. With David Malcolm, 'Servant' born 1864.1 source citation Hide source citations 1881 Scotland Census1883
Age: 67 Occupation
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland United Kingdom
Joiner. Carpenter. Death prior to 1885. 13 June 1885 Marriage of Daughter.
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Grand Pop. George Rae. Married to Spouse- Janet Taylor 1818 –
CHILDREN:
Spouse & Children
Janet Taylor 1818 – Christina Rae 1840 – James Rae 1842 – Peter Rae 1844 – Jessie Taylor Rae 1849 – 1892Margaret Taylor Rae 1850 – 1875 Georgine Rae 1854 – John Rae 1856 – Mary Taylor Rae 1860 –
1885
Abt Age: 69 Death
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Dead by Daughter Jessie Taylor Rae; ANDERSON, JOHN - RAE, JESSIE (Statutory Marriages bleep bleep). 13 June 1885. Marriage to John Anderson and Jessie Rae. 105 Hill Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. ANDERSON, JOHN - RAE, JESSIE.
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1816
AbtBirth
Comrie & Crieff, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom2 source citations Hide source citations 1861 Scotland Census 1881 Scotland Census1839
DecAge: 23 Marriage to Janet Taylor
Inverkeithing, Fife & Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Two dates, separate, then joined Counties. 16/12/1839 RAE GEORGE JANET TAYLOR/ M INVERKEITHING bleep bleep GROS; 17/12/1839 RAE GEORGE JANET TAYLOR/FR M DENNY bleep 0003.1 source citation Hide source citations ScotlandsPeople GROS Database. 1839
Age: 23 Occupation
Wright Joiner1861
Age: 45 Residence
Loanhead, St Ninians, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Janet & George Parents. Children- Christina 21 1840, Georgine 7 1854, James 19 1842, Jessie 13 1848, John 5 1856, Marg 11 1850, Mary Taylor Rae 1 1860, Peter 17 1844. Plus Wm Baird 20 1841.1 source citation Hide source citations 1861 Scotland Census1881
Age: 65 Residence
Loanhead, St Ninians, Stirlingshire, Scotland
George 65, Janet 63. Joiner Carpenter. With David Malcolm, 'Servant' born 1864.1 source citation Hide source citations 1881 Scotland Census1883
Age: 67 Occupation
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland United Kingdom
Joiner. Carpenter. Death prior to 1885. 13 June 1885 Marriage of Daughter.
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Parents George Rae 1816 – 1885 ; Married to Janet Taylor 1818 –
Peter Burden 1847 – 1892
Wife- Margaret Taylor Rae. Parents George Rae and Janet Taylor above.
Birth, abt 1850, in St Ninians, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. Death, 1 January 1875
in Stirling, Stirling, Scotland, United Kingdom. GROS data. Died leaving one child John Rae Burden or Rae BURDEN. More likely due to contraindications of having a child at the time.
Husband of Margaret Taylor Rae was.
Peter Burden 1847 – 1892. Brewer in Stirling.
Son John Rae Burden 1874 – 1901. Died. Unmarried. Death- phthisis pulmonaris or tuberculosis.
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Jennifer as a Christian name. All I have is a Jessie. No Census states Jenny or Jennifer or Jane. Perhaps we have the entirely wrong Family.
1886
Birth
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom2 source citations Hide source citations 1891 Scotland Census 1901 Scotland Census1891
Age: 5 Residence
Forth Place, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
John Anderson & Jessie 37 (former wife of Robert Scotland, marriage), Anderson Parents. John a Step Parent Jessie George's Mother. Other Children- Jessie, John & Maggie Anderson. 1891
Age: 5 Residence
Forth Place, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
From Martin A. SS- His sisters were Margaret Eadie Anderson, QARANC, and Jennifer Anderson. Neither married. Margaret buried in Glendevon Parish Church.1 source citation Hide source citations 1891 Scotland Census1891
Age: 5 Census
Forth Place, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
John Anderson 31, Brewer, Jessie Anderson 37, George Scotland 12 stepson, Jessie Anderson 5, Maggie Anderson 3, John Anderson 1. 1901
Age: 15 Residence
Ferguson Residence: Edinburgh Robertson Memorial, Midlothian, Scotland
This Jessie born 1886. Servant in Ferguson Household.
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First of all thank you very much for your replies. John Anderson married Eleanor, (Mitchell from Greenock maybe around 1917/ 1918 )- she had sisters Florence, Elspeth and maybe another sister Anne (who I believe emigrated to Canada). Their father was Dugald MacI nnes Mitchell and I'm told a sea captain. Ella died in 1919 in Southampton a few months after giving birth. An address at the Polygon in Southampton.
Annie was born Annie Ethel. 1886.
Durham, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear, England, United Kingdom
Tyne and Wear previously formed part of the counties of Northumberland and County Durham ; Tyne and Wear (pronounced /ˌtaɪn ən ˈwɪər/) is a metropolitan county in North East England around the mouths of the Rivers Tyne and Wear. 3 source citations Hide source citations 1901 Scotland Census 1891 Scotland Census England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-19151891
Age: 5 Residence
9 East Blackhall St, Greenock East, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Dugald a Marine Steam Engine Fitter. Elizabeth Ann, Spouse and Annie Ethel, their Child.1 source citation Hide source citations 1891 Scotland Census1901
Age: 15 Residence
Greenock West, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Dugald Mitchall, Elizabeth A Mitchall 38, Annie E Mitchall 15, Elenor Mitchall 9, Elizabeth A Mitchall 6, Florence Mitchall 6 months. 1 source citation Hide source citations 1901 Scotland Census
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Theres a Medal Index Card at the NA Documents Online site for Margaret Eadie Anderson Queen Alexandras Imperial Nursing Corps for her ww1 service.
Ady
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From Andrew- 2007. ( I think William visited Vancouver to visit the Horsburgh part of his Eadie Family) But, read on ....
Eadie Family visit Canada
Date: 1910
Notes:
Actual text: It is not known why William decided to go to Vancouver in about 1910 but he was involved in the export of vehicles made by the Albion Motor Car Company of Scotstoun, Glasgow. His name first appears in the Lloyd's Shipping Register for 1910/11 (running from 1st July to 30th June of each year) as owner of s.Cetriana & s.Petriana with his address as 434, Richards Street, Vancouver, BC, Canada. It would appear that both of these ships were bought in Glasgow. The s.Petriana had not been sold when it was launched on 22 Feb 1909 & this was probably one of the low points in the ship building market with ships being able to be bought cheaply. William & Agnes took their children William, Alexander, James & Isabella with them to Canada; probably Robert, John & Janet were already married by this time. Robert & also, probably, John who was also a stevedore were left to look after the business at Queen's Dock in Glasgow. William owned s.Petriana for only about a year before selling the ship to Canadian North Pacific Fisheries Co. Ltd. & in 1911 purchases the ship s.British Empire. All the ships were designed for coastal shipping & the details of them are given below
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William Eadie. 1856 15 Feb Birth
Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland, United Kingdom8 source citations Hide source citations 1871 Scotland Census 1881 Scotland Census ScotlandsPeople GROS Database 1891 Scotland Census 1901 Scotland Census New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 1861 Scotland Census1812
Departure
Glasgow, Scotland1 source citation Hide source citations Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-19351861
Age: 5 Residence
31 Queen Street, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Janet & Robert a Spirit Dealer, Parents. Children- Alex & William. A James Henderson (relative?) ; Robert Eadie 26 Janet Eadie 27 William Eadie 5 Alex Eadie 1 James Henderson 23 Jane Purves 14 Mary Hardie 201 source citation Hide source citations 1861 Scotland Census1871
Age: 15 Residence
6 Gloucester Street, Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland1 source citation Hide source citations 1871 Scotland Census1871
Age: 15 Occupation
6 Gloucester Street, Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Measurer of Ships Cargo1881
Age: 25 Residence
Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland1 source citation Hide source citations 1881 Scotland Census1881
Age: 25 Occupation
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Measurer Goods & Cargo 1881
Age: 25 Occupation
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Stevedore- Dock worker loading and unloading ships cargo. William also measured cargo. A forerunner to many administrative positions within Maritime working history.1882
21 MarAge: 26 Marriage to Agnes Houston
Gorbals, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Gorbals & Govan same. @ Andrew Eadie copyright & GROS copyright. For internal reference ancestry.com & not for profit etc.1882
AfterAge: 26 Residence
52 Ardgowan Street, Glasgow
Andrew Eadie Writer and Source. GROS copyright on external reproduction.1884
7 SepAge: 28 Residence
52 Ardgowan Street Kinning Park, Glasgow
Janet born elswhere. Daughter- Janet Boyd Eadie.1891
Age: 35 Residence
101 Pollok St, Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland1 source citation Hide source citations 1891 Scotland Census1891
Age: 35 Occupation
101 Pollok St, Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Measurer & Stevedore1901
Age: 45 Residence
8 Albert Drive, Kinning Park, Glasgow Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Agnes 41 & Wm 45 Parents. Children- Alex 9, Isabella 4, James 7, Janet 16, John 14, Margaret 1, Robert 18, William 10. Plus Marg Smith 59 & Eliz Douglas 17.1 source citation Hide source citations 1901 Scotland Census1910
25 JanAge: 53 Immigration
Liverpool, England
William Eadie- Travelling with Alex Eadie Son, Clerk And Robert McDonald Freer, Son in Law & husband of Janet Boyd EADIE, Williams Daughter, Alex's Sister (born 7 Sep 1884).1910
Age: 54 Residence
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Andrew Eadie Writer & Source: It is not known why William decided to go to Vancouver in about 1910 but he was involved in the export of vehicles made by the Albion Motor Car Company of Scotstoun, Glasgow. His name first appears ..1 source citation Hide source citations Family History Source & Writer pages.1912
6 OctAge: 56 Arrival
New York, New York1 source citation Hide source citations New York Passenger Lists, 1820-19571912
6 OctAge: 56 Arrival
New York, New York
6 October 1912. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935. Via NY, USA. Travel to Vancouver, Canada. Agnes nee: Houston. Travelling with Husband William Eadie, Ship Owner & Daughter Isabel.1 source citation Hide source citations Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-19351912
6 OctAge: 56 Emigration
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935. Via NY, USA.
6 October 1912. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935. Via NY, USA. Travel to Vancouver, Canada. Agnes nee: Houston. Travelling with Husband William Eadie, Ship Owner & Daughter Isabel.1940
1 AprAge: 84 Death
Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland, United Kingdom1940
3 AprBurial
Ardrossan, Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland, UK
Andrew Eadie Writer and Source. GROS copyright on external reproduction.
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Regarding the photo of the car taken in Stanely Park, Vancouver it is definitely an Albion car manufactured in Glasgow. I am not certain whether it is an A3 or an A6.
I went to the Transport Museum in Glasgow today & took some photos of the two A3 cars they have. Unfortunately the cars are very close to each other and so it is dificult to get good photos. The grey coloured car is an Albion A3 16HP Tourer of 1910 and the red one is an Albion A3 12 HP Tonneau of 1904.
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Here are two photos showing the chain drive to the rear wheel of each car.
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Finally here is photo of the side of the A3 16HP Tourer
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Here is some more information about s. British Empire. Unfortunately I am unable to include the photo as I do not own the copyright to this from a newspaper). The ship remained as s British Empire after its arrival in Vancouver.
I would be delighted to see more from John Anderson's journal of the voyage from Grangemouth to Vancouver. I have always been surprised that the ship, which was basically a coastal steamer, sailing to Vancouver via Cape Horn. The Panama Canal was still being built in 1911.
S.British Empire
This is the only photo found of the ship. Following collision in the Manchester Ship Canal on 23 May 1910 the ship was sold by auction for £2,300 to the Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard Company Ltd on 14 July 1910. The ship received a certificate of seaworthiness on 21 November 1910 and was sold to William Eadie of 434 Richard Street,Vancouver, BC, Canada on 19 January 1911. William Eadie appoints himself Managing Owner and owns all 64 shares in the ship.
The ship was purchased using a mortgage from Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard at 6%. On 20 November 1913 a mortgage is secured from The Clydesdale Bank Ltd, of Glasgow, Scotland to pay the amount due to the Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard.
Daily News 21st Feb 1911 (Vancouver BC)
Steamer British Empire in Distress
"The steamer British Empire, which is on the way from Grangemouth, England for the Northern Steamship company’s coasting service in northern ports, has put into St. Vincent with her machinery badly damaged and will have to remain there until new machinery is sent from England. The British Empire was purchased by the Northern Steamship company to replace the company’s steamer Petriana sold to the Canadian Northern Pacific Fisheries company and is to be named Petriana on arrival, a new name being found for the whaling company’s steamer. When the Canadian Northern Pacific Fisheries company bought the vessel the name did not go with the purchase. The British Empire left Grangemouth on January 21st for Victoria. It is not known when she will be able to proceed."
Lloyds Register 1911/12
The following details are given:
Length 167.5 ft., Breadth 26.6 ft., Depth 11.5 ft.
Tonnage Gross 576, Under Deck 407, Net 255.
Built in 1902 by Garston Graving Dock 7 Shipbuilding Company, near Liverpool.
Sources of information:
1. Greater Manchester County Record Office
B/10/3/574 “Sinking of S.S. British Empire”
2. Falkirk Archives, Callendar House, Falkirk
CE68/11/3 Customs Records for Grangemouth
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Re posting of 21 January.
The details of the coaster British Empire are very interesting. It must havebeen quite a voyage around Cape Horn and then along the coast of S America passing the Galapagos, and the Juan Fernandez archipelago ( Alexander Selkirk !). John Anderson's journal doesn't cover that part of the voyage - perhaps the pages have been lost. However he mentions the problem with a valve in a boiler for which running repairs had to be effected at the time. He also records how they had a near-miss with alarger ship.
Have tried up loading some of his journal but detail is very small so might have to transcribe.
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I see from the photo that this is the "Hollow Tree" in Stanley Park. Vancouver, B.C. Canada.
The tree is now so decrepit its going to be held up by ropes at great expense.
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Andrew Cousin, you are magnificent! Re: John Anderson RNVR Auchterarder. Cars and notes. sula sgeir has not contacted but that doesn't matter.
Bron
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I was at the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh last week and was looking at the Kirk Session Minutes for Blackford quickly. I found the following baptisms of children to John Anderson & Margaret Eadie at Gleneagles House,
William baptised 15 Jan 1857
Mary Stewart baptised 2 June 1858
John baptised 10 May 1860
Margaret baptised 29 March 1864
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After all that Family exposure, data, assistance for and to people, history and even down to cars, did AKA 'Sula Sgeir' of RootsChat, ever contact you? As a person I mean. Anyone?
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Even got the phone number if we want to order some eggs !
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Even got the phone number if we want to order some eggs !
So glad to hear from you. I'll have a dozen brown, speckled. Do you sell chooks? If so, may I order a male with red and blue and two female, black? Oh, frieght costs? I think it best if they are accompanied, its a very long trip to Newcastle, Australia. Please bring sun cream, a hat and togs. Bron ;D
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Re reply 64 thank you for the information on the baptism records for John Anderson. See also entries 5 and 6 dated 7 March 2009 by Monica identifying my Grandfather's birth and the census of 1891, and the comment by Monica " your John I hope !" - it certainly seems to be.
Re the further information about the car in the photograph at Stanley Park this also very interesting - perhaps on this main 'blog' rather than pm as it has a wider interest - which is what I'm trying to achieve in this whole tribute to my Grandfather, to see who can come up with interesting facts and snippets of family / documentary history, but my remit is really John Anderson, his parents, his sisters Margaret and Janet, whom I knew as my Aunts Meg and Jenny. Otherwise it just spreads out into lists of names and addresses which are not of any real significance.
The entry about the medals for Margaret Eadie Anderson (my Great Aunt ( Auntie Meg)- ie John's sister, whom I knew and who died just after I had joined the Army) was v interesting and information as to her service , and how to obtain information on her war service medal/s.
I also hope to find letters she wrote me with details of their childhood, which I think are in store.
Also a studio photograph of her in her QA uniform which I also intend to post on this blog.
That's about it for now. Best wishes.
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first two pages of John's journal starting with events of almost a hundred years ago
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Unfortunately there seems to be a glitsch and the program not responding to upload the document held on file - so will (probably) have to transcribe the journal - aplolgies. :-\
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I have decided to transcribe John Anderson's journal ;
Voyage to Vancouver in a Coaster
On November 1st 1910 I arrived in Stirling from my first voyage to sea as an Engineer. The voyage had turned out to be a much longer one than any of us had expected, fifteeen months. This meant I had sufficient time served to enable me to sit the examination for a second class Board of Trade Certificate. Making my headquarters with my uncle in Stirling I travelled to Glasgow every day while studying and in six weeks was successful.
Christmas and New Year safely past and funds getting low, I began looking round for another ship resolved to have nothing more to do with Tramp Steamers after my experience on my first voyage. Was just on the point of signing up with one of the big Mail Steamships when fate in the guise of well meaning relations persuaded me to give up that idea and go out to Vancouver in a small steamer which had just been purchased in this country. She was being overhauled and would be trading on the coast of British Columbia.
Wages and conditions were considered to be very good in Canadian ships. If a name counts for anything my new ship should have been a swell one. The " British Empire" was lying at Grangemouth, and to that port I proceeded full of expectation, but dear me what a shock when my eyes first beheld the little ship in which we were going to make a voyage of about fifteen thousand miles, during which we would traverse two Oceans and pass through one of the most dangerous Straits on the map.
There she was a dirty little vessel, amidships a narrow strip of a bridge, two masts, one well forard the other abaft the bridge, machinery and funnel at the after end. She was being loaded with coal to be used as bunkers on the voyage. This did not help her appearance.
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Head spinning stuff. My immediate Family is Burden. My other ancestors are Eadie. The Sisters, Margaret Taylor Rare and Jessie Taylor Rare, married into the Burden and Eadie Anderson Families.
Margaret Taylor Rae marries Peter Burden 1873 and her Sister, Jessie Taylor Rae marries John Anderson 1885. Burden and Anderson Family connections. Sisters, nee Rae marry in.
Margaret dies early with only 1 child John Rae Burden, who also died without descendants. Peter Burden Brewr of Blackford, then goes on to marry Mary thomson Dalgleish.
Jessie has a Family. And gets another Brewer in marriage to John Anderson
(Parents John Anderson 1807 – 1866 ; Margaret Eadie 1832 – 1910)
Jessie Taylor Rae and John Anderson Children-
Spouse & Children
Jessie Taylor Rae 1849 – 1892
Jessie Jenny Anderson 1886 –
Maggie Margaret Anderson 1888 –
John Anderson 1890 –
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(. . This did not help her appearance.)
" I was 3rd Engineer. We had two days before sailing, I felt in no hurry myself. The ship was far from being a new one and her accommodation was very poor. The small Saloon where the Captain, Mates and Engineers dined was passable, but the cabins were just small places with scarcely enough room to undress when the door was shut. Only two engineers were required for coasting, their cabins were right aft and not much more than cupboards . An extra cabin ghad been added at each side of the lower bridge and it was one of those I shared.
The crew consisted of Captain, Mate, three Engineers, Cook and Boy, and four Sailors. The machinery, one boiler, and a two cylinder compound engine, and two small auxilliary pumps. The after Peak Tank was fitted up to carry an extra supply of fresh water for domestic purposes, while the double bottom tanks carried fresh water for the boilers. The ship was being taken out on what is known as " by the run" that is to say everyone was paid a fixed sum for the run or voyage no matter how long it took. The Captain undertaking to feed the crew. There was no guarantee of employment at the other end.
Our captain was one of the old type. He had spent a long life at sea mostly in South American waters which he knew like a book. The Mate was a Highlandman who had seen better days, he was a fine physical specimen with a great deep chest and a voice like a foghorn. This man had been his own worst enemy and no doubt thought that the new life in Canada would help him. Only one of the sailors had really been a sailor before and that a long time ago. Of the other two, one was a big raw boned carter going to try his luck. The other man had no qualifications and was prepared to try anything. The other two Engineers were both experienced men considerably older than myself, both pretty tough customers.
Of the three Firemen, two were Germans, or rather a German and a Bavarian, the latter liked to make it quite clear that he was not of the same nationality as Fritz the German. The third fireman was the Carter who I described in mistake as a sailor. A young lad going out to join his older brother was the sailor. Cook and steward were combined duties. Cook was a real old shellback who had sailed in some of the old China Tea Clippers and could tell you yarns about them and their Skippers as long as you cared to listen to him. The Cabin Boy had been at sea before and, very fortunately for us was quite an expert at carrying the food from the Galley to the Saloon when the ship was kicking her heels up in rough seas."
Well the day of sailing came.
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. . . . continued . . John Anderson's journal ;
" Well, the day of sailing came. We went aboard at 7 am and had plenty to keep us busy until sailing time, about five in the afternoon. We were supposed to get our food aboard now. Dinner time came but no sign of any dinner, the stores had not arrived. We carried on with our preparations expecting to get something to eat any minute. Three o'clock came before we got the joyful news that provisions had arrived. We were in too much of a mess and had neither time or facilities for getting cleaned. The old cook soon got busy, [and] he sent down a big dish of hot sausages, a big plate of bread and butter with a mug of tea for each. All we had to serve as a table was the top of an old greasy tool box, this also was our only seat. In spite of the surroundings and my grimy hands, how I diod enjoy that feast. By jingo I was hungry, it cheered us immensely and when we sailed soon afterwards all were in quite good spirits.
Very few people saw us sail. Mr W Eadie the owner was one of them and another was George Scotland who was amazed to see such a small ship setting out on such a voyage. The Engineers of a ship never see much of the arrival and departure from Port, they are too busy down below.
Getting right away we soon passed under the the Forth Bridge and settled down for whatever was in store for us. My previous experience at sea had been in a very much larger ship than the " British Empire" and soon I began to feel the difference in motion. Fortunately the weather at the start was not very bad, so I had time to get used to the feeling before we entered the Bay of Biscay. Down the East Coast and along the South we saw plenty of small ships like our own, but when we rounded Cape Ushant and entered the Bay, these were all left behind. For the next two or three days we rolled, pitched, dived and kicked our heels like a bucking bronco. The engines raced like mad at every heave. We stood by the throttle and endeavoured to ease the strain but it was pretty hopeless we just did our best. It took as much of our attention keeping our feet and holding on as , as did our job. After this lot was past we realised that whatever we may have had against her, we had a dandy little sea boat. She rode on top of every thing, scarcely ever shipping a drop of water.[]
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Hello Sula, I'm the cousin Mal that Bron mentioned in her post(s) and this is my just my second post all up so I still have a lot to learn.
The conversations between you, Bron, Andrew and others are entertaining and enlightening and although Andrew had sent me most of what he has posted, there is so much more interesting stuff as well, particularly the photos. I presume it is OK to download these, as I wish to add them to my photo collection. I attach source information to each and will seek permission regarding any intentions of publishing them elswhere.
Looking forward to further episodes from John Anderson's journal. Your contributions are much appreciated, as are those from Andrew and Bron. Given time, I imagine one could spend a lot of it on RootsChat and there seems to be a lot of very helpful souls out there :) Once I have the necessary 3 posts, I will give you my email address, or perhaps Bron or Andrew might pass it on. It is a pity that the Journal wouldn't upload for you.
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Yes, I am also enjoying the journal Mal.
Bron
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(continued) John Anderson's journal . .
. . . . shipping a drop of water.
[i]Plodding steadily on we ran into better weather, with a pleasant rise in temperature. All seemed to be going well with us, we were settling down and making the best of our conditions. My watch was the twelve to four, or Graveyard Watch, as it is known at sea.
It was on the afternoon Watch. We were sailing steadily along when suddenly the engines began to slow up. Shutting off the steam I found that the H.P. valve spindle was broken, it had been severely fractured for a long time but the fracture had been hidden inside a guide bracket.
Well it was our job so we had to get busy. There was a spare valve rod on board but it was for the L.P. engine and they were not interchangeable. The skipper informed us it was about a day's sail to Las Palmas in [the] Canary Islands where repairs could be carried out, if we could make it.
It took us about six hours to fit up, valve and rod, near enough for the distance at reduced speed.
Arriving safely at Las Palmas the rod was sent ashore to be machined to the proper dimensions. we found that the HP valve was badly worn and [we] had plenty to do getting this valve faced up, and adjusting some of the bearings. Repairs took us about three days.
A few of us went ashore one evening and thoroughly enjoyed feeling our feet on terra firma again.
Las Palmas as a holiday place catered only for the wealthy at that time and looked beautiful in the semi tropical evening light with its big white buildings , the blue water and the waving palms. A light refreshing breeze blows all the time.
Everything fixed up again off we went once more thinking that the worst of our troubles were over, we were soon to be disillusioned.
All went well for a few days when, on a Sunday morning about six, I awoke with a start on hearing a bump, bump then silence in the Engineroom. Getting along as quickly as I could , there was a mess. The HP [ High Pressure] cylinder cover was smashed to pieces, so was the piston, and the piston rod was bent. Things looked pretty hopeless this time and I began to think the " British Empire " would never reach Vancouver. The Chief Engineer was not easily daunted.
He said we would get her into port somehow and we did. After discussing the whole plan with the Second, the Chief decided to try and drive the ship with one cylinder, the Low Pressure. This meant making a temporary cover for the HP Cylinder, dismantling the broken parts and taking out the H.P. valve. The H. P. piston rod was left coupled to connecting rod and crankshaft so that we should still have the benefit of the pumps driven by it which operated the Condenser. We worked almost without a break for two days, just lying as we were for a few hours when the progress of the job permitted.
Everything at last fixed up to the Chief's satisfaction, we were ready for a trial. The engine had been warmed up and we stood by full of expectation as the Chief took hold of the starting valve. On went the steam but alas, the Engine made a half-hearted attempt to turn but could not manage to overcome the dead weight of the H.P. Engine and Pumps. Now what was to be done? The only hope now was to uncouple the H.P. Engine and Pumps and try to work the engine exhausting into the atmosphere like a Puffing Billie. We set to again without very much enthusiasm.
The H.P. Engine was disconnected, the Eduction Pipe to Condenser uncoupled and turned round to face up to the skylights to let the exhaust steam escape. All ready once more we turned the Crankshaft so that the crank would be near the top dead centre, the only position she would start from. As soon as we removed the turning gear down went the crank to the bottom again, there was now no weight to counter balance it. Another twenty minutes pulling and sweating and we had it turned up again. This time we cut a block of wood to jam between the crank and the column as the crank just passed the centre. We tied a block of wood to the block so that it could be pulled clear. Everything ready once again, the Chief took the throttle, the Second stood by with the big hammer to knock out the block . . . . . . [/i]
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. . . We tied a length of rope to the block so that it could be pulled clear. Everything ready once again, the Chief took the throttle, the Second stood by with the big hammer to knock out the block. I held the rope. At the shout 'go' on went the steam, out went the block, and with a wouf, wouf she was turning again. All however was not quite right yet, the first few revolutions filled the engine room with hot steam from the exhaust, we had to stop and get out in a hurry.
Feeling more cheerful now we set about fixing up the largest ventilator on board. We lashed it in position to blow the steam over the side. Canvas was used to make good the space at the joint.
All ready the starting performance was gone through once more and away we went leaving a trail of steam behind us. The next problem was fresh water for the boiler, the exhaust was blowing it away as fast as we could pump the water in, this we could see would very soon consume all we had on board, then it would mean salt water which would soon make a mess of the boiler under these conditions.
The working pressure of the boiler was 120lbs but using it on the large diameter cylinder we could only get 25 to 30lbs, and that only with a struggle. Finding that we were doing seven knots and that that speed would get us to St Vincent in the Cape Verde islands in thirty six hours. We reckoned we could just manage it.
There was no possibility of manouvering the engine, so we informed the Captain that when he rang 'stop' that would mean finished with the engines as we could not start again.
The ship must have looked a sight as we puffed along, leaving a great trail of white behind us. Fortunately we were now in fine weather and got along quite easily. Nearing St Vincent the density of the boiler was getting so high that it became a question of whether we should stop and blow out the boiler, or take a risk and keep going for the few miles remaining. The latter course was taken and we steamed into harbour at dusk on the second day.
We got the order to slow and then stop, and in a few minutes the anchor was dropped but the bottom was soft sand and the ship still went ahead.
A big passenger ship was just moving slowly from her moorings when we arrived on the scene making straight for her stern. An officer on the after-deck shouted " stop that ship or you will be into us", . . . .
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. . . . . or you will be into us "
The Captain replied " We are broken down and cannot stop ", then the other officer shouted through a megaphone to his own Captain " go full speed ahead or we will be run into by a ship with engines broken down." Excitement ran high on both ships for a few minutes but the big ship slowly gathered way, she saved her skin by just a few feet !
Well, here we were, safe and well and I am quite sure slept soundly that night.
Next day we started dismantling the engine. A cable was dispatched to the owner stating what had happened and the reply came that new cylinder cover, piston rod and piston were being sent by the first mailboat.
There was plenty of work to keep us busy but it was fine to feel the gentle movement of the ship as she rode the swell that is always present in the harbour. The mornings were particularly fine. all the heat of the previous day had dispersed during the night leaving behind a sweet fresh atmosphere and temperature.
The days passed pleasantly enough, we just fed the same as if the ship was still at sea. The only change we managed was once or . . . . . . ( to be continued)
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Map of Cape Verde
Cape Verde Islands - map
What are the geographical coordinates of Cape Verde?
Latitude of Cape Verde: 16�00� North of the Equator
Longitude of Cape Verde: 24� 00�West of Greenwich
What is the official name of Cape Verde?
conventional long form: Republic of Cape Verde
conventional short form: Cape Verde
local short form: Cabo Verde
local long form: Republica de Cabo Verde
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This is all fascinating to read. I was not expecting the Diary to contain so much information.
As we have now reached St Vincent I thought that I would add the information I found from the Lloyds newspaper some years ago.
Shipping Gazette & Lloyd's List Weekly Summary
3 Jan 1896 to 28 Jan 1916
continued as
Lloyds List (and Shipping Gazette)
18 Feb 1916 to 29 Aug 1934
24 February 1911 p.118
British Empire (s) St. Vincent C.V. Feb 17 3:30pm
B.E., British steamer put in with defective machinery; high-pressure cylinder cover broken, high-pressure piston broken. Has been surveyed and it is recommended cannot be repaired, will have to wait machinery from England.
St. Vincent Feb 18
B.E.s has been surveyed. High-pressure cylinder cover broken, high-pressure piston rod bent, can be straightened. High-pressure slide or piston valve broken or out of order, feed pipes burst. Surveyors report the vessel cannot be repaired temporarily to complete voyage. New high-pressure piston, high-pressure slide or piston valve must be obtained Europe. Other minor repairs, will repair here. S.A.
17 March 1911 p.162
Further Additional Casualties.
B.E.(s) St Vincent (CV) March 16 British Empire (s) Vessel sailed. Repairs have been completed. S.A.
The s British Empire was sold in about 1916/7 and was renamed s Solar.
27 December 1918 p.3
SOLAR – Cherbourg 20 Steamer Solar entered dry-dock 8:30 am. Thirty degrees list righted in docking. Finished docking 5 pm. Survey tomorrow – Salvage Association Surveyor.
Nothing further found searching up to May 1919. Nothing found previous to 27 December. But details of casualties reported increased once WWI finishes in Nov 1918. Up until then only about 100 casualties reported per week but after increased to about 50 per week.
S.A. in earlier reports stands for Salvage Association.
I visited the docks at Grangemouth some months ago to see if I could take some photos. Unfortunately it was not possible to get access to the docks that are still in use due to security reasons. However the old docks constructed for use with the Forth Clyde Canal in the early part of the 19th century could be accessed. I have attached a couple of photos of the dock where the s British Empire could have left from. The Greenock & Grangemouth Dockyard Company, who repaired the coaster, had a fitting out facility on this dock. If the s British Empire did not leave from this dock then she would have left from the newer Carron Dock, this dock is beyond the low bridge in one of the photos.
I will now see if I can get any information on the engine, perhaps even a picture or drawing. When the coaster was built in 1902 at Garston, near Liverpool, the engine was supplied by Ross & Duncan of Glasgow.
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Going back quite a few posts here is some more information about the car in the photograph in Stanley Park Vancouver.
I have been in contact with the person who looks after the Albion archives and he has said the following:
"The photo is of an Albion A3. The gabled bonnet, which pre-dates Rolls Royce is a give away. The front of the radiator would have had an oval Albion badge at the top and an Albion scroll of brass fixed farther down on the grille. The coachwork could have been by one of several builders over here, or built onto a bare chassis in Canada, as coachbuilders were plentiful enough in the carriage trade.
The A3 was built from 1903 till 1915, although the production of car chassis ended in 1913. Various versions were produced, longer ones usual for lorries. The first were only 12 hp but 1904 saw an expansion with the move to a new factory on ground level, and increased to16hp, firstly 4 to 7 seaters, and later, 7- 15 seaters, although these were probably mainly charabancs. The radiator frame changed over the years, later ones had blue enanmelled badges and the front had a more decorative edge, scalloped in the corners, but of course we cannot see this in the photo. Later ones were electroplated rather than polished brass. So, between 1904 and 1913 is about as close as we can get."
From the date when the photo was taken the car must have been from 1910. I also made a final visit to the Transport Museum in Glasgow before it closed prior to moving to its new premises. The cars are apparently going to be mounted on the walls of the new museum!
Anyway I have attached a photo of the Albion A3 Model 16 horse power Tourer built in 1910 that the museum owns.
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The further information on the British Empire extremely interesting, and the photographs of the putative departure quay. Might there be any 'harbour sailings' records locally at Grangemouth, or newspaper references to a ship heading to Vancouver from Grangemouth.
Some years ago when in London and travelling on the Docklands Light Railway through Canary Wharf area I noticed a small ship alongside one of the quays. Straightaway in my minds eye I had John Anderson's description of when he first saw the British Empire. It was probably a fairly standard design of coaster, but that image has stayed in my memory and is what I 'see' when I re-read the journal.
Interesting too the fact that she was built in Garston, up river from Liverpool. Its an area I know having been brought up in Liverpool, after the family moved shortly after WW2 from Glasgow. However I did not know the docks area. We used to go swimming at what was known as Garston Baths. An old style Victorian place, with separate pool for women, and v cold showers only marginally colder than the swimming pool water.
Another interesting feature of the area for me was the existence of a large Engine Shed which provide coaling and water etc for the numerous locomotives on the extensive Mersey Dock system at the time, and of course the main line locomotives on the Liverpool - London line, the Express Service being the Red Rose. Coronation Class locomotives; and the 2-10-0 freight locos pulling enormous coal trains at a snails pace. It was 4 lines to Ditton Junction, so always plenty of movement. Nr 1 Downline was where the Red Rose could be seen screaming past en route to London.
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The only change we managed was once or twice when some of the local fishermen came along side with Flying Fish for sale. We had very little money amongst us but we managed. The fish were not bad eating, something like mackerel, and about the same size. One day some locals who had been fishing from their small boat not far from the ship, hooked a shark which was hanging round them.
They threw the end of their line on board, we soon got his head above the surface and passing a rope around his body soon had him on the deck. After he had ceased to show fight we opened up the carcass to see what was inside but found nothing unusual. The liver was cut out for the Captain who wanted it to extract the oil. After lying on deck for an hour or two, it was thought better to return it to the deep, hoisting it up on the rail over it went and to the surprise of everyone appeared to swim away. The water in these parts is wonderfully clear due to the light colour of the sand on the bottom and the bright sunshine overhead. Where we were anchored the marine creatures were not prolific, but there was always some strang fish or creature to be seen, when one peered into the depths.
All the locals can swim in the islands; it is an interesting sight to watch the young boys dive for coins. In the clear water they look almost like fish, you can follow every movement of their bodies as they dive in and swim down below the sinking coin - which by the way does not sink so quickly as would be expected - then turning up catch the coin with the hand and slip it into their mouth before returning to the surface.
The main island has a ridge of high hills running right across it. looking up from the harbour there is apart of the out line which bears a remarkable resemblance to a man's face, some think it resembles Napoleon.
Although lying snugly at anchor with the shore only half a mile away it was no easy matter to get there. It meant lowering one of the boats after getting permission to use it, then some one had to bring the boat back to the ship and again the return trip had to be made, nobody was keen on this latter duty.
A few of the younger members managed to arrange a trip one Sunday and away we went to see what the place looked like. The first thing of interest was agroup of kiddies who came to have a look at us. The little boys wore only a loin cloth around their waist, under their distended tummies.
The only building of any size in the place was the office and living quarters of the Eastern Telegraph Company. At that time there was very little if any provision for visitors.
Very soon we found ourselves passing the last scattered dwellings on the outskirts of the town and out onto the hillside beyond where we had a splendid view of the harbour with our little ship away on the far side. We sat down for a rest watching the few locals who were to be seen. Dressed in heavy serge suits we felt anything but comfortable in the sticky heat of the afternoon and would have welcomed the shade of some nice green trees, but vegetation was very scarce in that part of the island, the only place we saw any green near was in a graveyard further up the hillside.
As the sun gradually moved toward the hilltops a light breeze came away . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. .
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That is the last page of John Anderson's journal describing his voyage to Vancouver in the Coaster British Empire. He probably wrote up the complete story but the pages are presumed lost.
The journal entries I have transcribed have been taken from the original which was a document typed by John Anderson himself, on A5 size paper over 5 pages, which have been kept rolled as a scroll in a cardboard tube for many years. I do not think I ever saw the missing pages, and of course there is no-one now to ask of that generation in the family.
However, the journal does continue for a further 8 pages beginning a few years later at the outbreak of the First World War, and I shall transcribe these in due course. In the meantime I shall leave some time for any further entries which anyone might like to make in relation to this part of the journal - ie the Voyage to Vancouver.
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ref reply 75 of wed 9 June from malwil2.
Thank you for your message. If there are any additions to/ observations on John Anderson's journal it would be interesting to read them. The 'blog' is the way I prefer to communicate, rather than by private posts, which I have found not to be satisfactory in some instances.
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Re reply 75 Wed 9 June malwil2.
With regard to the downloading of the images, the only image which belongs to me is the one of John Anderson with his Eadie relations in front of the Redwood tree at Stanley Park, Vancouver. (In that I have the original photograph). If you intend to download this for commercial purposes then I shall be grateful if you would let me know, on this forum, any details beforehand.
With regard to my post immediately preceding this one, I would add further that I am unable to exchange e mails, and I no longer open pms. Computer access is by public library, and when I am in the Hebrides it can be a 2 hour round trip - so time is of the essence. Sorry if this sounds somewhat didactic, however I will be pleased to see any relevant information you might have, again ,on this forum.
Re generally;
The remit I set myself at the beginning of this narrative has more or less turned out the way I had
hoped, in that I wanted to concentrate on John Anderson, but I had no expectation of the treasure- trove of info provided by ABE regarding the British Empire , the Albion Car, the people in it, and the other contributor with info on the Redwood Tree, and the work by Monica in the initial stages on the documentary/ family 'who's who and whose' side, and BJB's lengthy and detailed adddresses (someone who lived in Hill street - presumably the one behind Sauchiehall street and the MacIntosh/Glasgow School Of Art),the reference to Margaret Eadie Anderson's medals, and others etc etc.
I am hoping further information/ photos might be available in the Glen Eagles House Estate records, where, as I read it John's father was gamekeeper, and his mother the head housekeeper for many years. I've seen a photograph of someone who I believe was John's father - will try and find it.
In the meantime I'll leave transcribing the next part of John Anderson's journal for a while so that any further entries on the Voyage to Vancouver/John anderson and his immediate family can be made.
At this point I would like to thank sincerely all contributors to this tribute to my Grandfather, be it posting questions for me to respond to with further information (and apologies if I have not responded, and also incorrect info supplied by me - Monica I was 10 years out in JA's being at the Glasgow Tech College - you were right !), to those who have sent in agreat deal of info. Alot of enthusiastic work has gone into the information from alot of skilled people out there, which I here wish to acknowledge. Thank You.
bfn.
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sorry, I meant to say b1b2j3, rather than BJB ! ???
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Hi There,
I am researching Robert Duff born in 1838 in Auchterarder or so I believe. He came to Lampton, Ontario Canada ( do not know year). He married a Canadian Margaret ... do not know her maiden name ( believe she was Irish decent). Robert was a Methodist Minster in the area of Enniskillen Ontario. They had the follwing children in the 1871 census: Mary A Duff (9), Martha J Duff (7), Elizabeth J Duff (4), Joseph B Duff (1) My Great Grandfather.
** They also had a Martha Anderson (63) living with them. This is were I think we might have a connection.
Ring any bells with anyone ?
Alane.
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First of all thank you very much for your replies. John Anderson married Eleanor, (Mitchell from Greenock maybe around 1917/ 1918 )- she had sisters Florence, Elspeth and maybe another sister Anne (who I believe emigrated to Canada). Their father was Dugald MacI nnes Mitchell and I'm told a sea captain. Ella died in 1919 in Southampton a few months after giving birth. An address at the Polygon in Southampton.
As with John Anderson, his Father in Law, Dugald MacInnes Mitchell was also a qualified Mechanical Engineer, a Marine Steam Engine Fitter according to 1891 Census 9 East Blackhall St, Greenock East, Renfrewshire. Born Abt 1860 in Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. Married Elizabeth Ann in England or Scotland. Elizabeth Ann was English born. Their first Daughter Annie Ethel was born in Durham, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear, England.
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Re reply 75 Wed 9 June malwil2.
With regard to the downloading of the images, the only image which belongs to me is the one of John Anderson with his Eadie relations in front of the Redwood tree at Stanley Park, Vancouver. (In that I have the original photograph). If you intend to download this for commercial purposes then I shall be grateful if you would let me know, on this forum, any details beforehand.
Hello from Bron. Mal and I are in Australia. I am from the Eadie Burden line and Mal is from the Eadie Lawson. We are not commercial genealogists, but Family historians. That's all. We work with Andrew Eadie, from also our line/s. The Anderson Family married, along with John's ancestors, into all our mutual ancestors and or a few descendants.
Bron
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Iam looking From My Great Great Grandparents relatives:
Margaret Anderson Born 1836 who married Robert G Duff born 1835 in Scotland.
Here is the family tree of the Duffs and Andersons ..
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/y/l/Roger-F-Aylard/PDFGENEO1.pdf
Does any of this ring a bell with anyone ?
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Hello, I tried to look at the file but all these names, and so small. Far too much. All I can suggest is that the people you are looking for need to come a little more explained (dod, place Parents etc, as much as possible, a good guess would be okay). If you can at all, a location would be helpful. My Marg. Anderson who married my Robert Duff were born later. Sorry.
Bron
Iam looking From My Great Great Grandparents relatives:
Margaret Anderson Born 1836 who married Robert G Duff born 1835 in Scotland.
Here is the family tree of the Duffs and Andersons ..
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Hello - thanx for the further posting.
Margaret Duff was my Grandfather's aunt, and I get the impression they were very close. There are a number of pictures of them together in the family album. Margaret's sons were John and Robert, and they farmed at Ravenswood, a poultry farm near Cumbernauld. The group photo at the front door of Ravenswood ( in a previous posting) shows Margaret, and John Anderson. Both died in 1942 within days of each other - TB.
I recall meeting either John or Robert when I was a child, in the late '50s. I do not have any further information regarding the Duffs. All the data I have posted comes from personal memories, and family anecdotes handed down. The Anderson names you mention seem fairly common, and can be seen in previous postings. best wishes.
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Dear 'Human-Project' Person. As, kindly so, my Cousin 'sula sgeir' suggests by imparting for you, his data references on these pages .....
Your Anderson and Duff people may not be located here. These Anderson and Duff Families or groups of people, have specific locations or 'bits' of Scotland, whereupon they grew'd up etc. And, until your details are further explained not many of us may assist you.
Bron
Best you provide all and sundry with
Hello - thanx for the further posting.
Margaret Duff was my Grandfather's aunt, and I get the impression they were very close. There are a number of pictures of them together in the family album. Margaret's sons were John and Robert, and they farmed at Ravenswood, a poultry farm near Cumbernauld. The group photo at the front door of Ravenswood ( in a previous posting) shows Margaret, and John Anderson. Both died in 1942 within days of each other - TB.
I recall meeting either John or Robert when I was a child, in the late '50s. I do not have any further information regarding the Duffs. All the data I have posted comes from personal memories, and family anecdotes handed down. The Anderson names you mention seem fairly common, and can be seen in previous postings. best wishes.
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Dear 'Human-Project' Person. As, kindly so, my Cousin 'sula sgeir' suggests by imparting for you, his data references on these pages .....
Your Anderson and Duff people may not be located here. These Anderson and Duff Families or groups of people, have specific locations or 'bits' of Scotland, whereupon they grew'd up etc. And, until your details are further explained not many of us may assist you.
Bron
PS. Your Link- http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/y/l/Roger-F-Aylard/PDFGENEO1.pdf is very very Big and hard to wrangle. You have no specific locations, dates, nor specifics. Sorry, no quick fix here from me. I am sorry about that.
Bron
Iam looking From My Great Great Grandparents relatives:
Margaret Anderson Born 1836 who married Robert G Duff born 1835 in Scotland.
Here is the family tree of the Duffs and Andersons ..
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/y/l/Roger-F-Aylard/PDFGENEO1.pdf
Does any of this ring a bell with anyone ?
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text on reverse of photgraph " Avenue to Gleneagles House, the little girl standing there is Janet Forbes Anderson ( Auntie Jennie) taken in 1895 soon after our Father died. The P.P.C. of Gleneagles House shows where your Grand Father John Anderson stayed often with Granny and Auntie where your Great Grandfather John Anderson was born, died aged 35 in 1895, his Father also John Anderson lived and died there, also his Father John Anderson, all these Forebears buried at Blackford except my brother ( your Grandad ) he is buried at Cumbernauld".
Writing this today 18th July 1964.
Auntie Meg (77)
Margaret Eadie Anderson.
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text on reverse of photgraph " Avenue to Gleneagles House, the little girl standing there is Janet Forbes Anderson ( Auntie Jennie) taken in 1895 soon after our Father died. The P.P.C. of Gleneagles House shows where your Grand Father John Anderson stayed often with Granny and Auntie where your Great Grandfather John Anderson was born, died aged 35 in 1895, his Father also John Anderson lived and died there, also his Father John Anderson, all these Forebears buried at Blackford except my brother ( your Grandad ) he is buried at Cumbernauld".
Writing this today 18th July 1964.
Auntie Meg (77)
Margaret Eadie Anderson.
I was thinking about my Anderson Cousins last night, doing some work on the Family pages. Thank you for this beautiful picture. As I live in Australia and only visited England in my youth, I obviously cannot enjoy the beauty of either Blackford, Perthshire in general, nor Stirling, where the other Cousins of the Eadie, Burden and Andersons came from for example. thank you so much. From Bron 2nd cousin 2x removed
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My grandfather John Anderson RNVR First WW; saw action at Dardenelles on a minesweeper; ship was sunk;he caught typhoid and cas-evac to RN Haslar Hospital Portsmouth on hospital ship HMS Aquitania;died at Cumbernauld.
My Cousin John Anderson
1st cousin 3x removed
Birth 3 April 1860 in Gleneagles Hse, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Death 27 March 1895 in Gleneagles Hse, Blackford, Perthshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Parents- John Anderson 1807 – 1866 and Margaret Eadie 1832 – 1910
Spouse and Children Spouse- Jessie Janet Taylor Rae 1850 – 1892
Janet Jenny Forbes Anderson 1886 – 1960
Meg Margaret Eadie Anderson 1888 – 1970
John Anderson 1890 – 1942