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I believe that I have found (using the index) the will records for my g-g-grandparents. Not sure where to go from here. There is limited info online. Here is what the website says:
"A project to index and digitise 1858 - c1900 wills from the District Probate Registries of Armagh, Belfast and Londonderry is almost complete. Phase one - an index to the will calendar entries (grants of probate and letters of administration) - is now available on the PRONI website. Phase two - to link the will calendar entries to the digitised images of the wills - will follow shortly."
I'm guessing that what I am currently able to view online is Phase One ?? Anyone know when Pase Two will be avail?
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I believe that I have found (using the index) the will records for my g-g-grandparents. Not sure where to go from here. There is limited info online. Here is what the website says:
"A project to index and digitise 1858 - c1900 wills from the District Probate Registries of Armagh, Belfast and Londonderry is almost complete. Phase one - an index to the will calendar entries (grants of probate and letters of administration) - is now available on the PRONI website. Phase two - to link the will calendar entries to the digitised images of the wills - will follow shortly."
I'm guessing that what I am currently able to view online is Phase One ?? Anyone know when Pase Two will be avail?
Hello THamilton,
There's an enquiry form on the PRONI Contact Us page. PRONI should be able to give you an idea when Phase Two will be available. www.proni.gov.uk/index/contact_us.htm
Christopher
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I have been able to buy photocopies of several wills listed on the PRONI Index. I sent them an email on the 'contact us' address and they sent me an attachment with a reference number on it and a bill. I sent them a cheque, and the photocopy arrived by post - all very satisfactory. RosemaryJoan
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I did send an enquiry to PRONI and received the following response:
"PRONI are currently undergoing a project which will include adding digitised images of wills to our online will calendars. This project is hoped to be completed around Spring/Summer 2009. You may wish to occasionally refer to website which we will update with progress on our current projects."
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I think I have found my g-g-grandfather's will details on the PRO site...
Joseph Hill
Date Of Death: 06/05/1914
Date Of Grant: 05/08/1914
Effects of £823 16s. 10d.
The abstract reads:
"Probate of the Will of Joseph Hill late of Carnlougherin County Antrim Farmer who died 6 May 1914 granted at Belfast to John Law Farmer"
What does this mean though - did all his items go to this 'John Law' or was he just an executor? Joseph Hill married Harriet Collins, her sister Ruth married John Law - I believe this is the connection anyway.
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By the way, Carnlougherin is a townland just down the road from where I live now - haven't flown too far from the nest!
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From my experience, he would have been one of the Executors. RosemaryJoan
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FMNI, You appear to be correct about the marriages
Joseph Hill married Harriet Collins Aghalee Cof I Lurgan 23 Jul 1852
John Law married Ruth Collins Aghalee C of I Lurgan 8 Aug 1851
Regards
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fmni
If you go to PRONI they will be able to let you look at the Will and Probate so you will be able to see who was left what. They have copies of every Will and Probate for Northern Ireland from 1900.
John
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Turns out this Joseph Hill is not my direct relative as first thought :( such a shame as I've spent a lot of time tracing his line - the 1911 census has helped confirm this. There where two Joseph Hills born within a few years of each other, both with fathers called Joseph - I always thought this one was my one due to the proximity of where I live now but it's definately not - hopefully a trip to the PRO will answer some of my current blanks!
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PRONI press release on 25 November stated:-
"Aileen McClintock, the new Director of PRONI will brief the media at 9.30am on Tuesday 2 December on the release of the official files for 1978, the new database to be launched in January which will make 1,000,000 public records available on line, the new wills database and the future of PRONI, including the move to the new HQ in Titanic Quarter."
Does anyone know what the new database will include and when it, and the Wills, will be available? The embargoed material released under the 30 year rule is all over the papers but I saw nothing on the other items.
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it was mentioned before christmas on here; major stuff apparently! that was besides the wills.
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At the end of every year the archives release old papers so that's nothing new but I still haven't heard what PRONI's surprise is supposed to be. Dare I hope they transcribed the valuation books that follow on from Griffith's?- there was talk of them doing it a few years ago.
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Hi All
As far as I know the Electronic Catalogue for Northen Ireland should be online in January some time!
You can go into the search room in PRONI and search the catalogue at the moment.
You can type in say a townland and it will bring up all the documents they hold with that townland in them. You can also then order that document with a click of the mouse.
See the PRONI web site about the eCATNI project.
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/about_proni/who_are_we_and_what_we_do/ecatni_project.htm
John
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Looks like you could be right, John. PRONI site says web launch in early 2009.
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Turns out this Joseph Hill is not my direct relative as first thought :( such a shame as I've spent a lot of time tracing his line - the 1911 census has helped confirm this. There where two Joseph Hills born within a few years of each other, both with fathers called Joseph - I always thought this one was my one due to the proximity of where I live now but it's definately not - hopefully a trip to the PRO will answer some of my current blanks!
Hello,
I have very recently begun researching my own family history and have found my own Hill connection on the 1911 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Maheramesk/Carnlougherin/199755/
If you found any info on these Hills during your research I would really appreciate being pointed in the right direction as to where I should look for further Hill family history
thanks
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I wrongly researched this family before thinking it was connected to mine - I think (and hope) I have held onto the information for you.
Had the lineage traced back to the beginning of the 1800s with them - will take a look this afternoon and see if I can find it.
Cheers,
Mark
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Ok.... starting with the eldest Joseph there on the 1911 census, aged 88:
Joseph Hill b.1828 married Harriet Collins b.1829 in Aghalee Church of Ireland on the 23rd July 1852. Joseph died 6th May 1914, unsure when Harriet died.
They had at least 5 children:
Emma b 1853, Sarah Jane b. 1856, Joseph b. 1858, William b.1860 and Robert b.1865
Moving back another generation, Joseph's parents were another Joseph Hill and a Jane Strannicks b.1805 - someone else has researched Jane on the internet and quite a bit available on the Strannicks/Stranix family - her father was a William Strannicks, mother was Mary. and going back one more generation, William's father was also called William - so on that line of your family it takes you back to the middle of the 1700s.
On the maternal side of Joseph's family (our 88 year old Joseph) her mother Harriet Collins was the daughter of Robert Collins b.1802 and Jane b. 1807
Harriett had at least two siblings, Ruth who married John Law and Henry who married Mary Green - Henry had at least two children, Robert and Anna Jane.
Going back to our 88 year old Joseph, he had at least four siblings, Sarah, William, another William and Margaret Jane.
The majority of these births, marriage and deaths take place around Aghalee - it's unclear when Joseph moved to the farm at Carnlougherin.
The reason I confused this family with my own is that the Joseph Hill I was researching was born around the same time, and also had a father called Joseph. My Joseph settled up the road in Maghaberry - the majority of his family background originates round Ballinderry and Aghalee also so if you're looking deeper into the Hills in this area, be careful as there is quite an overlap in names and dates.
Good luck!
Mark
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Thanks Mark,
This is brilliant!
You have given me some very valuable information.
If I come across anything on my search I think would be useful to yourself I will pass it on.
Where did you find all this by the way?
As you may have gathered I am pretty new to this so any tips would be very welcome
Thanks again
Ian
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I think I have found my g-g-grandfather's will details on the PRO site...
Joseph Hill
Date Of Death: 06/05/1914
Date Of Grant: 05/08/1914
Effects of £823 16s. 10d.
The abstract reads:
"Probate of the Will of Joseph Hill late of Carnlougherin County Antrim Farmer who died 6 May 1914 granted at Belfast to John Law Farmer"
What does this mean though - did all his items go to this 'John Law' or was he just an executor? Joseph Hill married Harriet Collins, her sister Ruth married John Law - I believe this is the connection anyway.
I’d be interested to hear from you.
My own family are from Carnlougherin and Ballynalargy including the Collins, Robinson and Smyth families.
From my Great x 3 Grandparents marriage certificate a witness was a Joseph Hill.