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Title: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: robbiemac on Tuesday 08 February 05 17:19 GMT (UK)
G'day from Oz
He-e-e-lp!! I'm searching for the birthplace of g-g-grandfather Patrick McNamara b 1820 in Clare. He married Ellen Rogers b. 1825 some time before the birth of their son Michael John in 1849.
In June 1850 Patrick and family with (prob brother) John and family Margaret, Patrick and John emigrated to NSW Australia onboard the 'Bussorah Merchant'. I don't know from which port they departed.
There are so many Patrick and Michael McNamaras in Clare that I have no idea of which town they may have come from.
Would anyone please be able to start me off in Ireland?
Bye for now, Gary n Rob
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: ashenique on Wednesday 11 January 06 06:43 GMT (UK)
Gary n Rob
G'Day to another fellow Oz - did they only end up in NSW or did some go to SA. I have a Patrick and John, sister Mary (who married a JOhn Hayes) in SA.
Cheers
Ashe
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: Sani on Saturday 21 January 06 00:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Gary n Rob        I have a Patrick McNamara who came to Geelong, Victoria and married Mary O'Toole in 1863 and died in geelong  1907 buried at Geelong
                     Sani
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: ashenique on Sunday 05 February 06 06:22 GMT (UK)
Hi again
Interestingly enough I have more connections to this name. John and Mary Hayes (nee McNamara's) son Patrick (named after his uncle Patrick McNamara) was raised by a Ro(d)gers family also from Clare.
Later on one of the Rodgers family married a McNamara - any guesses as to their names? Yep you guessed it Ellen Rodgers and Patrick McNamara.
You know what always surprises me - they couldn't come up with any original names - no wonder the Irish jokes always have Paddy and Mick heh?
Ashe
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: Shaztoni on Friday 17 February 06 14:45 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately, with a name like Patrick McNamara it will be almost impossible to find them with out at least a town land, you couldn't throw a cat in Clare in case you'd hit a Pat Mac.
(I happen to have six Patrick Mac's on my husbands tree, and these were all in one parish in Limerick over about fifty years)

Sharon
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: Portygilr on Saturday 01 April 06 20:55 BST (UK)

After reading previous posts re trying to
find McNamara's, I was hoping that someone
out there could help me with my
GGFather, Michael McNamara, son of Michael
McNamara and Helen McNamara.
Michael was b abt 1855/56, and I don't know the
Townland - never mind not being sure of the County  :'(
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 02 April 06 18:17 BST (UK)
My husbands grandma was Bridget McNamara born in Ennis in 1874(died in the County Home in 1947-was Mrs John Coleman by then!) She was one of 7 kids,found so far,daughter of .........you've guessed it,Patrick and Mary Mc Namara.

Almost as difficult as the Blakes from Kilbaha.........all called Martin,Thomas or Patrick.And the girls all Mary and Margaret. ::)

Carol
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: robbiemac on Tuesday 13 November 07 22:37 GMT (UK)
The furthest I have back is Patrick McNamara 1 b abt 1795 who married Bridget Quinlan
He came from the townland of Cloonnagro, a townland of 290 acres in Co Clare, Barony Tulla Upper, Civil Parish Feakle, Poor Law Union Tulla, Province Munster.
I've done the Griffiths etc but there's no Macs in Cloonnagro, but there are 3 Rogers (including John, maybe the father of Patrick 2's wife Eleanor)
Patrick 2 b 1820 in Cloonnagro and married Eleanor Rogers (b 1825 Cloonnagro) in 1848 at Cloonnagro.
They emigrated in 1850 and Patrick was employed by Dr James Murray at Woden and was described as a leaseholder in the 1856 electoral roll.
On 12 Sep 1861 he selected 33 acres at 'Katy Flat', Burra at a Crown Land sale in Queanbeyan and it was there that most of his family were born. His occupation was a farmer.
He died after a 3 year illness with 'rheumatic affection' on 19 Feb 1870 in Queanbeyan. Death Certificate states father Patrick McNamara, farmer and mother Bridget Quinlan.
So I'm sure they were never in SA though the connection is interesting with ashenique's Rogers/McNamara info.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: cassmob on Friday 12 September 08 02:32 BST (UK)
hi Gary n Rob

Coming into this very late & have just noticed the date of your last post so you may well be advanced on this so will work backwards to what I planned to say.

Have you looked at the Clare Library website? It is gold for family historians with Clare ancestry: look at both the genealogy & history sections as well as photos.
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/genealog.htm

I had a quick look at the LDS (Mormon) library website: Feakle parish is microfilmed but only available from 1860. You mention you can't find McNamaras in the Cloonnagro townland. In my experience the Irish usually married within a close range of townlands and I see that one is on the boundary with Tulla so just maybe you might find the baptisms in the Tulla parish records which miraculously start in 1819, very early for Irish Catholic records. These are available through the LDS Church library near you.

I've been doing some work on migrants to Australia from East Clare (which I've defined as the Baronies of Upper and Lower Tulla). I don't have your McNamaras in my database as yet but am interested in what happened to East Clare people who came here. If you feel like it you could send me a private message and I'll give you my email there.

I'll include my shipping comments though you've probably already looked at them as you know the place of origin. (They appear in both Victorian immigration and NSW so may have slightly different info).

It might also be worth your while to have a look at the Immigration Deposit Journals which are indexed on CD (should be available in a major library near you). There will probably be lots of Patrick McNamaras but since you know where he was, if you find one who matches, you would be certainly interested in anyone he was sponsoring to come to Australia as they are likely to be neighbours, friends or family and again confirm linkages of people and places.

Persons on bounty ships to Sydney, Newcastle and Moreton Bay ('Board's Immigrant Lists'), 1848-91
reel 2461 (year 1850) ship range:  Anglia-Tippoo Saib
 
Other immigration records (Agents Immigration LIsts) for Bussorah Merchant
Microfilm Reel 2136 NSW Archives Kit available in most libraries

According to another website the "Bussorah Merchant" sailed from Plymouth, England on the 3rd of February 1850 and arrived Geelong, Victoria on the 26th June 1850.

You might want to try Picture Australia for an image of the ship if you haven't already done so.

Anyway that's enough blather from me. You may well have passed this point of your research but since I started the post before I full checked dates I thought I may as well go ahead

Cheers

Pauleen
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: arrabel on Sunday 25 January 09 17:41 GMT (UK)
Hi,I was wondering if anyone has come across a James McNamara born abt 1860, he was the son of John McNamara and Mary Morgan. :)
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: enfield on Tuesday 24 November 09 14:17 GMT (UK)
For what its worth;
McNAMARA, CHARLES.  Rank: Pte.  Regiment or Service: Scottish Rifles.  Unit;2nd Battalion. Date of Death:23-October-1916.  Service No:6893.  
Born in Kilrush, County Clare.  Enlisted in Glasgow while living in Kilrush, County Clare.  Killed in Action. Grave or Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 4 D. Memorial: Thiepval Memorial in France.

McNAMARA, EDWARD JAMES.  Rank: Rifleman.  Regiment or Service: Royal Irish Rifles. Unit;1st Battalion. Date of Death:16-January-1918.  
Service No:47462.  Born in Drumcliffe, County Clare. Enlisted in Boulogne, France while living in Ennis.  Killed in Action. Grave or Memorial Reference: Panel 138 to 140, and 162 to 162A and 163A. Memorial: Tyne Cot Memorial in Belgium

McNAMARA, FRANCIS. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: Royal Irish Regiment. Unit: 7th Battalion. Age at death: 21. Date of Death: 27-September-1918. Service Number: 25565. Born in Ennis, County Clare. Enlisted in Ennis, County Clare. Killed in Action. Formerly he was with the South Irish Horse where his number was 1901. Supplementary information: Son of Joseph McNamara, of Turnpike Rd., Ennis, Co. Clare. Grave or Memorial Reference: VII. G. 7. Cemetery: Queant Road Cemetery, Buissy, Pas-De-Calais in France.

McNAMARA, FRANCIS JOSEPH. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F. Age: 46. Date of Death: 08-October-1920. Service No: 68303. Supplementary information; Son of Daniel and Susan McNamara. Born in Co. Clare, Ireland. Next of kin listed as J. McNamara (brother), 140 High Street, Christchurch, New Zealand. Occupation on enlistment, fitter. Died after discharge from the NZEF from wounds inflicted or disease contracted while on active service. Embarked with the 37th Reinforcements,B Company, New Zealand Expeditionary Force on 09-May-1918 in Wellington, New Zealand aboard the ‘Maunganui’ bound for Liverpool, England. Grave or Memorial Reference: H. 16. (S). Cemetery: Wellington (Karori) Cemetery, New Zealand.

McNAMARA, JOHN.  Rank: Pte.  Regiment or Service: Royal Munster Fusiliers.
Unit;1st  Battalion. Date of Death:01-May-1915.  Service No:8720.  
Born in Drumcliffe, County Clare. Enlisted in Ennis while living in Ennis.  Died of wounds in Galipoli. Grave or Memorial Reference: Panel 185 to 190. Memorial: Helles Memorial in Turkey.

McNAMARA JOHN. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: Royal Munster Fusiliers. Unit: 8th Battalion. Date of Death: 27-July-1916. Service Number: 4464. Born in Carnaghclogan, County Clare. Enlisted in Limerick while living in Ennis, County Clare. Died of wounds. Supplementary information: Son of Martin McNamara, of Carnaclohy, Crusheen, Co. Clare. Grave or Memorial Reference: V. G. 36. Cemetery: Bethune Town Cemetery in France.

McNAMARA, JOSEPH. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: Irish Guards. Unit: 2nd Battalion. Age at death: 29. Date of Death: 15-September-1916. Service Number: 7259. Born in Kilmihil, County Clare. Enlisted in Ennis, County Clare. Killed in Action. Supplementary information: Son of Michael and Mary McNamara, of Knockalough, Ennis, Co. Clare. Grave or Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 7 D. Memorial: Thiepval Memorial in France.

McNAMARA, PATRICK. Rank: Chief Stoker. Regiment or Service: Royal Navy. Unit: H.M.S "Pylades." Age at death: 38. Date of Death: 15-May-1917. Service Number: 292326. Supplementary information: Son of Michael and Ellen McNamara, of Killispuglinane, Ennistymon, Co. Clare. Grave or Memorial Reference: General T. 4. 33. Cemetery: Ford Park Cemetery (Formerly Plymouth Old Cemetery) ( Pennycomequick) UK.

McNAMARA, PATRICK. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: Royal Munster Fusiliers. Unit: 2nd Battalion. Age at death: 21. Date of Death: 10-November-1917. Service Number: 6872. Born in Corofin, County Clare. Enlisted in Corofin, County Clare while living in Corofin, County Clare. Killed in Action. Supplementary information: Son of Nora McNamara, of Back St., Corofin, Co. Clare. Grave or Memorial Reference: Panel 143 to 144. Memorial: Tyne Cot Memorial in Belgium.

Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: enfield on Tuesday 24 November 09 14:18 GMT (UK)
And;
MacNAMARA, PATRICK FRANCIS. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: Canadian Infantry (Quebec Regiment). Unit: 42nd Battalion. Date of Death: 04-March-1919. Service No: 3080114. Supplementary information: Son of Mrs. MacNamara, of Quarry Rd., Thomond Gate, Limerick. Next of kin listed as (aunt) Mrs Isabel Owens, 114 Sawyer Avenue, Dorchester, Mass, U.S.A. Place of birth, Limerick, Ireland. Date of birth,20 January 1885. Occupation on enlistment, Male Nurse. Place and date of enlistment, Montreal, 5th October-1917. Address on enlistment, 10 Assasabet Street, Dorchester, Mass, U.S.A. .Height, 5 feet,  9 ½ inches. Complexion, fair. Eyes, green. Hair, dark brown. Grave or Memorial Reference: In North-East corner. Cemetery: Kilquane Cemetery, County Clare.

McNAMARA, RODY. Rank: Gunner. Regiment or Service: Royal Field Artillery. Unit: 50th Reserve Brigade. Age at death: 34. Date of Death: 27-March-1916. Service Number: 36589. Born in Scarrip(sic), County Clare. Enlisted in Dublin. Died at home. Supplementary information: Son of Daniel and Catherine McNamara, of Waterpark, Scariff. Grave or Memorial Reference: South East of ruins. Cemetery:Scariff (Moynoe) Cemetery, County Clare.

McNAMARA/MACNAMARA, WILLIAM.  Rank: Pte.  Regiment or Service: Royal Munster Fusiliers. Unit;8th Battalion. Date of Death:18-June-1916.  Service No:5716.  Born in Whitegate, County Clare. Enlisted in Tomgraney, County Clare while living in Whitegate.  Killed in Action. Grave or Memorial Reference:I.E.1. Cemetery: St Patrick’s Cemetery, Loos in France.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 24 November 09 14:34 GMT (UK)
Wow thank you Enfield......I think the Ennis ones might be mine.
Hubby's grandma was a McNamara( Bridget) more research needed though  ;)

Carol
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: fullmark on Saturday 05 December 09 12:24 GMT (UK)
I was interested in enfield's post as one of those boys came from Crusheen and our family may hail from there as our McNamara cousins called their farm Krusheen. 
So we have Bridget McNamara marrying Michael Arthur and all their children came to Australia (we think) and Bridget's brother Patrick's and his wife Bridget Hogan's children also and their sister Elizabeth who married Patrick Arthur sent at least 5 of their children to Australia. 
Most of them ended up around Marong (near Bendigo) and either married late or not at all.

I always think how sad those parents must have been to send their children off - some so young - and know they probably will never see them again.  Most of the Arthur/McNamara family came on the Grand Triannon in 1857 though some had arrived earlier.  Any connections?

Margaret Fullarton
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: kiwi11 on Wednesday 10 February 10 08:01 GMT (UK)
Hi
I posted a message re Brohan. My great grandfather Thomas Brohan married a Catherine McNamara in 1853 and the witnesses at their wedding were Patrick McNamara and Denis McNamara. Bothe families came from Cloonusker a rural area near Ennis. A Mary McNamara was listed as god mother to their children. Hope this may be a relation
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: brad on Saturday 06 March 10 00:16 GMT (UK)
suggestion for you what about putting a notice in the letter's to editor for Scariff or Clare  papers. I did this once and it was a great find... to find family still living in area.
 The name Rodgers I believe may have descendant's still living ........my Moira Rodgers married a William Burke..........alsothe Moynoe  cemetery records are on line at the Clare Library to look at...... and that name is there.
. Brad.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: cheecky face on Thursday 27 May 10 23:10 BST (UK)
Dont know if it helps, but friend of mine is looking for any info about michael mcnamara from limerick. his son michael was born in 1838 and the family emigrated to scotland at the time of the famine
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: norag on Monday 07 June 10 15:34 BST (UK)
 you all worry about all those patrick mcnamaras  i am looking for  Michael Smith and Mary maloney!!  as well as samuel McNamara!
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: cheecky face on Monday 07 June 10 17:58 BST (UK)
hello norag,
will ask my frend if she has a samuel mcnamara in her tree. were michael smith and mary maloney born in ireland? i am a regular visitor to dublin archives.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: norag on Monday 07 June 10 23:17 BST (UK)
Born in Ireland?
I assume so because their child, Mary McNamara, on  her marriage certificate to Michael smith, says born in Co Clare.
Same for Michael  he says Co Clare too. She was only 18 when she married, he was 27.
In her case at least it would be reasonable to assume she immigrated with her parents, probably Michael did the same.  The ships were coming from Clare to Sydney 1849 to 1869.

Parents on both sides have signed the certificate, and both say they are  farmers.

So I conclude they all came  from Co Clare but already well settled in Moorolbark or there-a-bouts by the wedding in 1861? Norag
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: Ringoroses on Monday 07 June 10 23:30 BST (UK)
My McNamara's came from Crusheen also. Will check records and come back tomorrow.

Regards Ann
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: norag on Tuesday 08 June 10 00:02 BST (UK)
Thanks Cheeky Face

Yes every little helps even if it to eliminate possibilities.
No None of our family were in Scotland at that time.  Norag
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: norag on Tuesday 08 June 10 00:06 BST (UK)
When i read my post: dont worry about  the abundance  of Mc Namaras  I am looking for a Smith.  I meant it as a joke.. If there are so many Mc Namaras how many more smiths must there be.
But as I read it posted it sounds rude ,so sorry if anyone offended.  Norag
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: Ringoroses on Tuesday 08 June 10 09:09 BST (UK)
My McNamara's start with Margaret, born Lochananbrone in c1838. She married a Michael Joseph Butler at st Cronans in 1872. Their first son, Patrick, was born there the following year and they moved to England soon after. 

Margaret's parents were John McNamara (a farmer, b Drumaneen c1810   d Lochananbrone 1878) and  Mary (? b c1816     d1907). They had at least 4 other children - 

James (c1830), 

Ann (c1832)

Thady/Timothy (c1835) and

John (c1842)  - who married a Catherine O'keefe in Crusheen parish church in 1867. They had 8 children - Timothy , James Mary Michael, John, Bridget, Catherine and Thomas, all born between 1867 and 1890 in or around the Lochananbrone area.

The family tale is our McNamara's lived at Stonepark house, which subsequently passed to the O'keefes.

John senior's mother is thought to have been Bridget, (1787-1864) but I know nothing about his father. He had at least one brother, James, who possibly married a Mary Maley.

Apparently, Loughanabrone no longer exists except as a local name. The area is now called Caheraphuca (also spelled Caherafooka, Caherapooka in 19th c.) Translated from the Gaelic, Lougahanabrone it literally means “The little lake of sorrow” possibly indicating there was a drowning there at some stage. But the lake itself no longer exists.

Hope some of that helps someone.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: norag on Tuesday 08 June 10 14:04 BST (UK)
Thank you Ann in the UK.  I will see if tghat fits at all with the few facts we have.  Norag
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: GMylett on Friday 18 June 10 01:56 BST (UK)
Hi Gary n Rob,

The shipping records show that Patrick and family came from Fouble, Clare.

Michael and family came from Takill, Clare.

You can find the original documents under Assisted Immigration at any family history centre (or on-line through Ancestry).

All the best,
Gail
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: roweeee on Sunday 01 July 12 04:25 BST (UK)
I am a direct descendant of John McNamara and Margaret Welsh who came out on the Bussorah Merchant leaving Plymouth 3rd February, 1850.
It has been some years since I have been working on my McNamara research. However, I have just been to their property London Bridge at Burra near Queanbeyan on a trip back from the snow and I wanted to include some of the family history info in my write up of our visit. I am descended from their son John McNamara who married Elizabeth Johnston, the niece of Alexander Johnston who built the railway from Goulburn to Queanbeyan (maybe as far as Cooma). They had eight daughters. and moved to Sydney.
I did most of my research before the Internet really took off and am revisiting it again now hoping to full in a few gaps. I have quite a lot of info so this is really just to get started.
Best wishes,
Rowena
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: clairhaines on Friday 14 September 12 10:25 BST (UK)
Hello

I am also trying to trace McNamara ancestors in Co. Clare.
I have Mathew McNamara (farmer) and Anne Wolf marrying and having Micheal McNamara in 1845.

The only other record I have is Michael McNamara marrying Mary Hassett in Victoria, Australia in 1872. Mary Hassett was also from Co. Clare.

Can anyone point me in the right direction to find out more about Mathew and Anne? 

Thank you in advance

Clair
 
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 14 September 12 10:43 BST (UK)
....
I am also trying to trace McNamara ancestors in Co. Clare.
I have Mathew McNamara (farmer) and Anne Wolf marrying and having Micheal McNamara in 1845.
....

McNamara is a very common surname in the mid-west, so not so easy to trace without further clues - but Wolf is much less common.

Any idea which part of Co. Clare this family came from ?

see :  Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
         My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)   

Very few parish records for Co. Clare are available online at the moment, but a good place to look for more general information is the Clare Library website - see the resources link at the top of the Co. Clare board.


Shane
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 14 September 12 10:55 BST (UK)
the only Wolfe entry I see on the Tithe records is a Samuel Wolfe in the townland of Mount, Kilchreest civil parish. These records are dated 1825 and cover mainly agricultural areas, but not towns etc.

see : Kilchreest civil parish (http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/kilchreest_tab.htm)

There are 9 Wolfe listings on Griffith's Valuation - carried out between 1852 and 1855 for this area.

see : Griffith's Co. Clare, Whelan to Wynne (http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/griffiths/griffithw2.htm)




Shane
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: cassmob on Friday 14 September 12 13:51 BST (UK)
Clair, your best bet is to explore Australian marriage/death certificates as well as migration data in the hope of narrowing down where the family came from in Clare. Otherwise you'll be searching for a needle in a haystack. With luck Australian data should narrow down the range. The Clare LIbrary site is excellent, as per other replies.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: Donna Cash on Sunday 05 July 15 13:28 BST (UK)
Hi rowee

I just found your post and have just got back from burra. There was a gate at London bridge and it looked like private property so we didn't get to see it. My name is Donna and my line if mcnamaras is from a Michael McNamar(r)a born abt 1812 in county Clare.  He married a Mary McNamara ( née McNamara) on 13 jan 1851 at at Gregory's Queanbeyan. They had patrick in 1852, Catherine (Kate) in 1853 and Bridget in 1857. Bridget was my gg grandmother.
I would love to learn if you have anything on my macs.

Thank you

Donna 😊
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: Sandgroper on Saturday 11 July 15 02:57 BST (UK)
I'm wondering if anyone has information about a Patrick McNamara and his wife Margaret Brohan. They had a son Edmund (also known as Edward) who was born 15th Jan 1864 in Mountshannon, Galway. Mountshannon is now part of County Clare. Edward came to Australia in 1887.
They also had daughters Bridget (born 11 April 1866) and Mary (born 24 May 1868). They were both born in Feakle.

I have looked through a lot of online parish registers pertaining to Mountshannon and Feakle but for the life of me can't find them. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Edited: Thanks to Kiwi11's post about McNamara and Brohan in Cloonusker (Clonusker), Scarriff I decided to look at the Scarriff online parish records and I've found them! I've been looking for about 25 years. Possibly there is a family connection. Thanks Kiwi11.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: DavidG02 on Saturday 11 July 15 03:35 BST (UK)
Are there any specific naming patterns that are common in Ireland as they are , for example , Scotland?

Is there any difference between Mc and Mac?

My Macs seem to have come from a James Macnamara ( listed in SA BDM marriage record) to John born app 1829-1830 died in Kapunda SA in 1875. John married Hanorah Tierney (d of Michael and Mary Tierney) and had 5 children , one of who was John George b 1869. John Married Margaret Sheehan and they had 5 children , one who was my grandmother Margaret Mary b 1896

Now whether John came out alone or with brothers I don't know. But he was in Kapunda by 1866. An interesting side note, when John died the person listed as witness was a Michael Murnane.

If anyone can clarify the naming pattern or recognises any names it would help immensely.

 :)

Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 11 July 15 10:34 BST (UK)
M'  Mc and Mac are all one and same.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 11 July 15 10:37 BST (UK)
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0784  or click other Parishes on the map...
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: DavidG02 on Saturday 11 July 15 12:02 BST (UK)
Thank you hallmark  :)
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: DavidG02 on Sunday 12 July 15 13:02 BST (UK)
Edited: couldn't modify previous???

Quote
Now whether John came out alone or with brothers I don't know. But he was in Kapunda by 1866. An interesting side note, when John died the person listed as witness was a John Murnane.

If anyone can clarify the naming pattern or recognises any names it would help immensely.

Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: billjackson100 on Tuesday 27 December 16 04:57 GMT (UK)
my wife is a McNamara from Co. Clare and seems to be related to your blood line, as you describe it.
her family moved to Keokuk, Iowa.
here's the obit from CHIC TRIB for the Judge in the family, whose father came from Co Clare:
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1939/10/25/page/27/article/obituary-1-no-title
can we compare notes?
have you published a family tree?
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: RobertCasey on Friday 07 April 17 12:53 BST (UK)
I am one on the admins for the R-L226 haplogroup project at FTDNA. L226 is the second largest Irish haplogroup in Ireland and is associated with the Dal Cais. We now have 522 testers that match the L226 signature and where Irish ancestry is known, 80 % originate from Counties Tipperrary, Clare, Limerick, Cork and Kerry.

There is one branch of McNamara's in this group (five McNamara belong to one of the 46 branches under L226, DC189). The label DC was used to represent the Dal Cais. L226 is now so extensively YDNA tested that I am now able to reliably connect how 80 % of the 522 testers are related. Here is a link to the page where five McNamara testers have been assigned to:

http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R_L226/Haplotrees/L226_Home.pdf#Page=16

If you test 67 markers at FTDNA, you would immediately know if you belong to the Dal Cais (line of King Brian Boru) and this particular branch of McNamara testers. If you match, you would have these testers in your matching report and could contact them via email to share genealogies to try to connect your lines together.
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: RowenaCurtin on Wednesday 03 January 18 11:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Rob,
Great to find your contribution here. I am descended from John McNamara and Margaret Walsh.•   John McNamara was born in County Clare in 1813. His parents were Patrick McNamara and Mary Walsh.

•   John married Margaret Welsh in Ennis, County Claire in 1845. Margaret was the daughter of Michael Welsh and Mary O'Loughlin.

•   They had two children in Ireland. Patrick was born in 1847 and John in 1849 in  the Parish of Flagmont.

•   In 1850, the McNamara family emigrated to Australia. They travelled on board the Bussorah Merchant, leaving  Plymouth 3rd February, 1850. They arrived in Port Phillip, Melbourne on the 26th June, 1850 - 144 days later.

•   John McNamara became a tenant farmer on Dr James Murray's Woden property, along with a number of other Irish families from County Clare. 

•   The McNamara’s first lived at Rosedale. Their lease lands extended down the river to the Red Hill property of William Beatty. In 1863, John McNamara purchased Badgery's 651 acre block on the Queanbeyan River as well as 517 acres at Black Siding block. The latter purchase included London Bridge and the original huts and house erected for Hutchison’s employees. The McNamaras built another homestead at London Bridge, which was occupied by John McNamara Senior, while John Jnr continued to live at Rosedale.
You are probably familiar with this family.
I have recently come across a new Queenbeyan McNamara connection, while researching Irish Famine Orphan Girls. There were two McNamara sisters who came out to Australia. Here are the details:
•   Surname : McNamara
•   First Name : Catherine
•   Age on arrival : 18
•   Native Place : Innes [Ennis], Clare
•   Parents : John & Catherine (both dead)
•   Religion : Roman Catholic
•   Ship name : Thomas Arbuthnot (Sydney 1850)
•   Workhouse : Clare, Ennis
•   Other : shipping: house servant, reads, no relatives in colony, sister Bridget also on Thomas Arbuthnot. Empl as house servant by J. McVitey, Primrose Valley, Molonglo, £8, 1 year; married John Lambkin, Queanbeyan, 18 Feb 1856; 10 children; died Molonglo 1884 [Reid & Mongan, 'A Decent Set of Girls']


•   Surname : McNamara
•   First Name : Bridget
•   Age on arrival : 16
•   Native Place : Innes [Ennis], Clare
•   Parents : John & Catherine (both dead)
•   Religion : Roman Catholic
•   Ship name : Thomas Arbuthnot (Sydney 1850)
•   Workhouse : Clare, Ennis
•   Other : shipping: house servant, reads, no relatives in colony, sister Catherine also on Thomas Arbuthnot; empl as house servant by F Tumbrell, Marengo, Burrowa, £8, 1 year; married George Terry, Arkstone, 28 Jul 1851, witnessed by her employer; possibly 2 children in 1858.

I hope you will see this message and get in touch.
Best wishes,
Rowena
Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: RobertCasey on Wednesday 03 January 18 16:13 GMT (UK)
Rowena,

There are ten YDNA testers that are McNamara at 67 markers or higher. The first column is the FTDNA kit number, the second column is the surname of the oldest proven ancestor, the third column is the FTDNA project where found and the fourth column is the branch under L226 that they are either confirmed or predicted to belong to.

f260590   MacNamara   R-L226   C-DC31
fB104328   McNamara   R-L226   C-DC189
f424282   McNamara   R-L226   C-DC189
f309786   McNamara   R-L226   C-DC340
f453608   McNamara   R-L226   C-DC340
f731877   McNamara   R-L226   P-DC189
f793124   McNamara   R-L226   P-DC340
f745552   McNamara   R-L226   UNKX22
f162354   McNamara   paste-McNam   UNKX7
f553712   McNamarra   Sullivan   P-DC189

As you can see four belong to the branch DC189 and three belong to DC340 which is the son of DC189. Also, one tester belongs to DC31 which is distantly related around 1,400 years ago. Also, there are two testers that do not match anyone else out of 626 testers currently known.

As far as geographical ties, we know that L226 became prolific in offspring around 1,500 years ago and 80 % that have known ties to counties in Europe have Clare, Tipperary, Kerry and Cork listed. Another 10 % are from other parts of Ireland (recent migration) and the last 10 % are primarily located in England (very recent migration). These are ties to Europe as most of these testers are from the US and other former British colonies.

I highly recommend testing your male McNamara at 67 markers which would let you know which of these lines you are most closely related to as shown in the chart below:

http://www.rcasey.net/DNA/R_L226/Haplotrees/L226_Home.pdf#Page=20

Title: Re: McNamara - Co. Clare
Post by: RowenaCurtin on Saturday 06 January 18 03:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your message. Thanks for the information about the DNA tests. My initial difficulty is finding a male in my family who doesn't subscribe to conspiracy theories and doesn't mind coughing up their DNA. Uncle's diabetic and his wife offered to give me some of his blood but felt that was underhand.
The question I have on the McNamara front is that we don't have any McNamara males in our bloodline at all. Our last direct male was John McNamara was born in 1849 in the Parish of Flagmount, County Clare, Ireland. He had 8 daughters.
I am thinking this would preclude us from the McNamara DNA test.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Rowena