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Title: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: Supa_Nana on Monday 19 January 09 14:22 GMT (UK)
Hello

I am hopeful of locating some entries from the Teynham Parish Registers and wondering if anyone may be able to help me please?

I am seeking a marriage between Jesse Jarrett (father William) & Mildred Anderson (father Thomas) in 1840 at Teynham.

Also, burials for both Jesse in 1878 and Mildred Jarrett in 1873, at Teynham.

If anyone can help, I'd be pleased to hear from you.  Thank you very much indeed.

regards
Carol
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 19 January 09 19:24 GMT (UK)
Hi

Can you confirm spouse - freebmd for March qtr 1840 shows her as Amelia Anderson
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: grandarog on Monday 19 January 09 19:56 GMT (UK)
 :)
       Definitely Amelia Full BMD transcription confirms
Marriage Jan Qtr 1840 Faversham 5 215           Jesse Jarrett - AMELIA Anderson
                                                  Regards Rog :D ;D
                                               
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: grandarog on Monday 19 January 09 20:26 GMT (UK)
 Carol:)
       I suggest subject to further confirmation from Yourself  .Amelia and Mildred are seperate persons .

            The 1873 death is for Mildred Jarrett-         Oct Qtr 1873 Milton 2A 439  Age 56.

              There is a death for Amelia Jarrett which could fit the bill   Sept Qtr 1862 Medway 2A 209.

           We can discount the other Amelia Jarrett that is shown dying 1885 as she would only have been
          11   yrs old in 1840 .

                     I will check the Teynham PR,s for the Marriage and Jesse's burial Tommorrow for you Carol. And also see if I can find Mildreds or Amelias or Both.

                                                                  Regards Rog :D ;D
           
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: Supa_Nana on Monday 19 January 09 21:24 GMT (UK)
Absolutely fantastic Rog, thank you.

In the meantime I will look and see if I can find an Amelia (presumably married to a Jesse Jarrett) in the census returns.

Thanks for your assistance, it is very much appreciated.

regards
Carol

Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 19 January 09 22:37 GMT (UK)
Hi

The 1851 for Bapchild indexed as Jarrott (image also Jarrott) shows her as Mildred

Jesse  36  b Tong labourer
Mildred 34  b Teynham
Thomas 10  b Sittingbourne
Francis  7  b Teynham
Emma 4   b Tong
HO107; Piece: 1627; Folio: 12; Page: 16

IGI

Mildred Anderson  Christening:  16 MAR 1817   Teynham, Kent,
Father:  Thomas Anderson   Mother:  Sarah     
 

Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 19 January 09 22:45 GMT (UK)
The 1861 only has 3 Amelia Jarrett's in 1861 in Kent - none were married

Amelia J b 1833 - no birthplace shown
Amelia b 1847
Amelia F b 1851
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: Supa_Nana on Tuesday 20 January 09 09:49 GMT (UK)
Thank you Carole for this information.

The scenario is confusing.  If you or anyone can add anything to try and resolve, it would be extremely helpful.

Jesse Jarrett (b. circa 1816 at Tonge) married to Mildred (b. circa 1817 Teynham), present together at Green St., Teynham in 1841 with son Thomas aged 9 months [therefore born circa 1840].

This family continued to live in Kent through to the 1870s with added children.

1841 present at Teynham.
1851 present at Bapchild.
1861 present at Bapchild.
1871 present at Sittingbourne.

Their issue were:

Thomas born 1840 (IGI bap in 1845 no parents named)
Frances born 1843 (IGI bap in 1843 Teynham to Jesse & Amelia)
Emma born 1846 (IGI bap 1846 at Tonge to Jesse & Amelia)
Jesse born 1852
Eliza born 1855 (IGI bap at Bapchild 1855, to Jesse & Mildred)

As each of these children were clearly in the household of Jesse & Mildred Jarrett throughout the decades, I have concluded that the marriage between Jesse Jarrett and Amelia Anderson in 1840 was correct and that Amelia and Mildred were one and the same person.

So ...... with a baptism of Mildred Anderson at Teynham in 1817, unless I can trace a baptism of an Amelia Anderson OR a marriage between Jesse Jarrett and Mildred circa 1840, it would seem evident that Mildred and Amelia were indeed one and the same.

I too have checked all the census decades and found no Jesse Jarrett and Amelia combination anywhere in Kent.

Jesse Jarrett died Milton district Jn 1878
Mildred Jarrett died Milton district Dec 1874
But no Amelia Jarrett death that fits anywhere.

If anyone can solve this riddle, and find "Amelia" Anderson who supposedly married Jesse Jarrett, I would be delighted to hear more.

Thanks again
Carol
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: grandarog on Tuesday 20 January 09 12:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol ,
              Popped into Library this Morn.
            Unable to access Teynham at mo so looked for Tonge (or Tong in old spelling.)
Tonge Parish Registers

There are no surviving PR.s for Tong (old Spelling in use at that era). However there are incomplete Bishops Transcripts.
Checking through them  I found
                   Christenings for:-                 
                                                                 Thomas        Son of William and Mary Jarrett      Jan 2 1814
                                                                    Jesse        Son of William and Mary Jarrett     Oct 29 1815
                                                                     Mary        Dau of William and Mary Jarrett     May 11 1817
                                                                 Caroline       Dau of Mary and William Jarrett     April 28 1822
I had a really close look but could not find any more christenings as I thought there should have been another between Mary and Caroline.

Looking for the Marriage of William and Mary I found  .

     Marriage between:-          William Jarrett   (Widower) & Mary Barrett (Spinster ) 15 Aug 1813
                                                               Witnesses    Thomas Parker & Richard Waghorn.       

All data here sourced from viewing Micro Films of documents at County Library.

In the mean time I now think that Amelia is probable a paper person born of a transcription error between Pr,s and GRO records .
    Have you sent for the Marriage cert
 Marriage Jan Qtr 1840 Faversham 5 215           Jesse Jarrett - AMELIA(Mildred ) Anderson
That will at least give you parents and Church they were married in.
                                                                       We will sort this out in the end :)
                                                                       Regards Rog.
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: Supa_Nana on Tuesday 20 January 09 12:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Rog

What a gentleman you are - thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to help me with this "riddle".

I have now ordered the marriage between Jesse & Amelia.  If both their father's names match with those of Jesse's and Mildred's, then I think it is conclusive that Amelia and Mildred were indeed one and the same person.

BUT ... if in the meantime I locate a baptism for someone named Amelia Anderson circa 1817 at Teynham, then I will have additional research to undertake!!!

I was most interested to see William Jarrett WIDOWER at marriage to Mary Barratt in 1813.  I had already gleaned this marriage from IGI together with a baptism for William in 1779, so assumed he might have been married before, either that or he was an old(ish) bridegroom!  Your findings have confirmed my suspicions on the former theory, thank you.

So, I wait arrival of the marriage certificate 1840 for Jesse and Amelia and if both fathers' names are correct, I think I shall put this one to bed.

Once again, very grateful thanks for your interest.  I will let you know the outcome.
kindest regards
Carol
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: grandarog on Tuesday 20 January 09 17:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Carol , :)
            We aint finished yet, ;)

         I managed to get onto the PRs for Teynham this afternoon,Think this will conclusively wrap up your problem and maybe take you back a bit further,
        It is now my considered opinion  8) after many deviations :-\ that Mildred and Amelia are one and the same. Presumeably when she was Christened Mildred she was named after her Aunty. Then for some reason we will never know, maybe a fit of pique or trendy thing to do, she decided to call herself Amelia sometime prior to her Marriage.
 She then continued as Amelia until about 1851-1855 in a different, although close, village  she reverted to Mildred and was eventually buried as such. I should add I have not noticed any Amelia's to any families on the PR's at all today.
       I will add a cautionary note here .If you are concentrating on Jarretts it is a very prolific surname in this area,
  At the time Jesse and Amelia/Mildred were living in Bapchild there were 4 or 5 other Jarrett couples knocking out Kids wholesale . Theres barely a page of the registers without 1 or 2 on it.
    Any way heres what I gleaned for you. I think that this about exhausts the info available . If you have any specific lookup you need just ask and I'l do my best for you.
    I dont think I have missed anything out but I am not infallible!

Teynham Parish Registers.

First there is not a Marriage between Jarrett and Anderson between 1838-1842 so the marriage must have been in one of the other parishes in the Faversham reg district. The PRs are quite legible at this date. The Marriage cert will give you the parish they were married in.

Found Baptisms for

Sarah Elizabeth           Mar19 1815          Dau of Thomas and Sarah Anderson
Mildred                        Aug 29 1817         Dau of Thomas and Sarah Anderson
Eliza  Ann                    Aug 29 1819         Dau of Thomas and Sarah Anderson
Thomas                       July  1   1821         Son of Thomas and Sarah Anderson

Checking Back I found
Marriage
                     Thomas Anderson & Sarah Carey                May 18 1812

I then found Mildred’s Grandparents Marriage.
Checking the Banns Reg for that period I found Banns for the marriage between Richard Anderson & Ann Allard both of Teynham Parish read on Sundays the 8,15. 22 Aug 1779.
 The marriage followed on 7 Sept 1779

 Found Baptisms for
Catherine                     Dec 15 1781           Dau of Richard and Ann Anderson
James                          April 27 1794          Son of Richard and Ann Anderson
Mildred                         April 21st 1796.      Dau of Richard and Ann Anderson

The records are illegible in many areas between 1779 & 1812 so I would surmise by the general pattern of births circa that era there are several other siblings at 2 year intervals between 1781 &1796 which would give you another possible 6 children including Thomas (Mildred’s Father) in the family.
Found Baptism for  Frances Sept 10 1843         Son of Jesse and Amelia.
Checking the Burials I could find no Burials for Mildred/Amelia or Jesse Between 1865 & 1880.

Bapchild Parish Registers.
Baptisms
Jesse                               21 Dec 1851               Son of Jesse and Amelia
Eliza                                 2 Dec   1885               Son of Jesse and Mildred


 
All data here sourced from viewing Micro Films of documents at County Library.


      Please let me know how you get on if you get the Marriage Cert
                                 Goodbye for Now
                                                Best Regards, Rog. :D ;D












Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: Supa_Nana on Tuesday 20 January 09 19:03 GMT (UK)
Rog, you are amazing - thank you so much for all you have done today.

I await the arrival of the marriage cert Jesse Jarrett & Amelia, due out to me on 26th Jan.  Will post a message to you to tell you what it contains.

My interest in this family is Frances 1843 who, as you rightly say, was baptised to parents Jesse & Amelia, but found in the household of Jesse & Mildred, so I am now confident that this is as I first thought, a change of christian name for Amelia, for whatever reason we will never quite know.

I spent some time this afternoon researching Jarretts and you are right, they are ten a penny!   Ancestry.com Worldtree has many users who have uploaded their own interpretation of the Jarrett family history, all of which I have taken with a pinch of salt.  However, I did find what I believe to be the first marriage between Jesse's father William Jarrett to a Sarah Parks 25.5.1801 at Bapchild.  I also spotted a burial in the National Burial Index for a Sarah Jarrett at Rodmersham 12 January 1809 which may be the correct one - who knows?  William then widowed, married Mary Barrett in 1813 and son Jesse followed.

I'd certainly be interested in any additional siblings to William Jarrett at Bapchild either side of 1779 if at any time you are visiting the records.  His parents were (as far as IGI are concerned) George Jarrett and Elizabeth Corke .... but beware ... IGI also has several other baptisms to a George/Elizabeth CRONKE combination which don't bear much relevence.

Jesse & Mildred were living at Sittingbourne at the time of their deaths in 1878 & 1873 respectively.  I have not purchased their death certificates (I was a bit hesitant until I could be certain of who they really were), so I do not know where they may be buried and they do not appear in the National Burial Index.

Your efforts have been amazing Rog, thank you again for all you have done.  I will let you know what the marriage cert has to offer plus anything else of relevance, just as soon as I have the data to hand.

Again, many grateful thanks.
Carol
Title: Re: Teynham Parish Registers
Post by: grandarog on Tuesday 28 November 17 22:08 GMT (UK)
Luddenham not Teynham for their marriage.