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Seeking some assistance to find information on William Day (1797- 1845) and Son William (b. c1824), who were lithographers in London. In 1851 the son William Day is suppose to be 17 Gate Street, Lincoln's Inn Field. I have the Census but can't find their household. He may have an uncle John Bellini Day, a publisher of London.
Regards
Keith
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Is this a possible for William Jnr. in 1851? Not in Lincoln's Inn Field, but he is the right age and a printer.
19, Lorraine Place, Islington
William Day head M 27 Copper plate &c printer London
Elizabeth Day wife M 24 Gloucester
William J Day son 2 London
John R Nicholls B-i-L M 38 Annuitant London
James R Day son 1 London
Caroline A Nicholls sister M 30 Annuitant London
Class: HO107/ Piece: 1500/ Folio: 793/ Page: 19
Can't find a John Bellini Day, but in 1854 a John BELLENCE Day married a Rose Isabel Rees.
In 1861 Isabel Rose Day shows up in Claines, Worcestershire:
Henry Lewis Elton head M 29 Land holder Bath
Rose Mary Elton wife M 23 wife of " " Somerset, Frome
Isabel Rose Day visitor M 27 wife of Lithographer Bruenes Ayres(sic)
S America
Wm. John Sidney Day Visitor 5 Middx, Holloway
Class: RG9/ Piece: 2109/ Folio: 40/ Page: 30
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Hi Galium,
My sincere thanks.
Both answers are that correct people.
Once again, much appreciated.
Keith
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Hi Galium
Are you interested in find an apprenticeship record or something for him? I also have London printer ancestors.
Ben
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Hi Ben,
I am interested in any details of William Day of London (1795 - 1845) the lithographer; William Day, his son also a lithographer agent; and I "believe" John Bellini Day, the publisher, will be his brother.
Galium - the Caroline A Nicholls you provided yesterday will be a daughter of William Day Senior, and I found her in 1881 Census staying with Dr. W.G.Grace and Agnes Nicholls Grace, nee Day, her niece. The wife of William Day Junior is Elizabeth Rees. The wife of John B. Day is Isobel Rees.
These families are connected with my Rees family of Haverforwest, Wales.
Regards,
Keith Rees Aus
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Hi,
William Jr appeared to go bankrupt in 1866: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/issues/23170/pages/5354 (column two)
There are several other references to him, giving his various London addresses, elsewhere in the Gazette: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/search
Good luck
Rob
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I found her in 1881 Census staying with Dr. W.G.Grace and Agnes Nicholls Grace, nee Day, her niece.
Keith Rees Aus
The W G Grace? How wonderful!
Are you sure that John B Day is William Snr.'s brother? He seems to be more of a contemporary Of William Jnr ?
Found a marriage announcement for John and Isabel:
The Times Monday Jan 24 1854:
On the 3rd inst. at St John's Church, Holloway, by the Rev. __ Parnther. John Bellinie Day Esq., of Gate street, Lincoln's-inn, to Isabel Rose, youngest daughter of the late William Lee Rees, R. N.
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Thank you Galium for the marriage entry - yes, son of the William Day Senior. (1797 - 1845)
This would make William Day m. Elizabeth Rees; John Bellini Day m. Isabel Rose Rees and Caroline A. Day m. John R. Nicholls brothers and sisters, and chn of William Day Senior.
The two Rees girls are first cousins. Isabel Rose Rees is from Lt. William Lee Rees and Mary Pocock; and Elizabeth Rees is from Dr. James Lee Rees and Elizabeth Pocock. The two Pococks are sisters. To make it worse the Rees boys' sister Mary Rees form Haverfordwest, m. the Pocock girl's brother George Pocock, Junior.
Yes, the cricket Grace family married into these families as well.
Once again Galium, thank you for your interest and support.
To Robert - I will now look up your references. Thank you.
Keith Rees
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Thank you Rob.
It seems that William Day didn't seem stay bankrupt too long as by 1881, he is living Edgcliffe Gardens, Kensington with a household of about 17 or 18., as a lithographer agent.
Thank you for the news article.
Keith
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I am interested in the Day family as my mother-in-law was a Day (and W.G. Grace's niece!), but I have not, so far, been able to find the parents of the first William Day (1797-1845). Can anybody help?
I do have some information on Caroline Bellini (William's wife) and her family and am more than willing to share that.
JHS3007
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Hi JHS
I have not looked for Wm. Day's parents, but I certainly can help you with the descendants of two of his chn William and John Bellini Day.
I have sent a you a personal message.
Keith Australia.
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Hi Keith
I am not able to send personal messages until I have posted another message but thank you for your reply. The complexities of the Rees, Pocock and Day relationships make study of these families a fascinating, but at times frustrating, exercise. This, however, only helps to make each discovery, even if it is relatively unimportant, something of great moment.
I have managed to acquire a great deal of information on the Days, starting with William (1797-1845), but I have nothing earlier than him. My work on the Pococks is less complete but I am attempting to find a link between George Pocock, the schoolmaster and inventor of Bristol and Nicholas Pocock, the painter, and so back to the Pococks of Berkshire. The Reeses I traced back to Wales but no further.
As it appears as if we have a number of mutual interests I hope we will be able to work together so that we both can achieve our goals.
Cheers
John, New Zealand.
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John,
You should be able to use my email address that I forwarded to you.
Have you got a lot of information from the Chris Sheahan's site?
Do you know of the Rees Family History book of 1991?
I have just made contact with 3 new contacts in Eng not previously known to us.
Looking forward to see your second name to see if I have it already listed.
Keith
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Keith
Thanks for your message. I think we have been in touch before when I was hunting the Rees connection. I have extracts from the Rees history book given to me by Rees descendants in New Zealand.
As far as I can recall I have not seen the Chris Sheahan web site, but then I have only recently found out what a powerful tool we have in the internet.
Cheers
John Scott
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Hi John,
Yes, you are on the computer; however, thanks to groups like RootsChat, a lot more information has been uncovered and is developing.
As soon as you can contact me directly, please do so, and I will fill you in.
Plus, I would welcome an extra hand. For example, I did not know that William Day's wife was Bellini.
Regards,
Keith
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Agnus Day, her sister Marian Grace Day married W.JGordon(editor of Boys Own)and writer of many books.
W.J.Gordon is my husbands gt gt grandfather
I have found a note in my paperwork that Mabel Gordon and James Day(personal surgeon to Lord Roberts in Boar War)were cousins and married to each other
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Hi, There is an entry in Holden's Directory 1811 for a William Day Printer 13 Goswell Street.
Jennifer
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Thank you Metz and Jennifer for your responses.
Metz, I will send a personal message with some Day information.
Regards,
Keith Aus
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I am researching the Victorian artist Robert Carrick (1820-1905) who may also have been the same person as the lithographer Robert Carrick who worked for Day and Son and who was the lithographer behind the famous copy of Turner's "Blue Lights".
I am trying to find out if company records for Day & Son are stored anywhere for public access to solve this mystery. Can anyone help with this?
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Hi Julia,
I can't answer your question; however, I will send on your request to two of William Day's direct descendents, both are still resident in England.
Keith Aus
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Hello all--
I'm also researching an artist who worked with Day & Son: Martin Johnson Heade, who hoped to have a set of hummingbird paintings ("The Gems of Brazil") printed as chromolithographs by Day & Son in the 1860s. I'd love to find out if the company records or correspondence might survive somewhere. Julia, were you able to find a repository for the papers, or might someone be able to make some suggestions for me?
Many thanks,
Ellery
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Hi
The National Archives has an online register of surviving deposited business and organisational papers and their whereabouts
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/simpleSearch.asp?subjectType=O
The index holds nothing for Day and Son (printers)
St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway 3rd January 1854
John Bellenie Day Full Bachelor Gent Holloway Wiliam Day Gent
Rose Isabel Rees Minor Holloway William Lee Rees Gent
Both signed
Witnesses May Rees and ?
1st April 1846 St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway
William Day Full Bachelor Gent Holloway William Day
Elizabeth Rees Minor Spinster Parish of West Molesey Surrey James Rees
Both signed
Witnesses Alfred P? and James B?
St George the Martyr, Queen Square, Holborn/Camden
Baptisms - all parents William and Caroline
23rd May 1819
Caroline Ann Day, 5 Orange Street, father's occupation baker
10th September 1820
Sarah Bellanie Day, Orange Street, father's occuaption baker
2nd May 1823
William Day, Great Queen Street, father's occupation proprietor of Golands Lohan
5th January 1825
Emma Day, Great Queen Street, father's occupation Lithographic printer
28th January 1827
Frederick Day, 39 Great Queen Street, father's occupation Lithographic printer
7th February 1830
John Bellenie Day, Gate Street St Giles, father's occupation Lithographic printer
5th September 1834 born 3rd August
Emma Anna Maria Markwell Day, Gates Street, Lincolns Inn Fields, father's occupation Lithographer
1851 census HO107 1501 folio 276
Leas? Tree Cottage Tollington? Row Islington
Caroline Day 56 Head Widow Lithographic and copper plate printer employing 18 men St George the Martyr Middlesex
Joseph Day 22 Son same occupation as mother St Giles in the Fields Middlesex
John B Day 21 Son same occupation as mother St Giles in the Fields Middlesex
Emma A M K Day 16 Daughter St Giles in the Fields Middlesex
Eliza Jane Brice 19 Visitor Taunton Somerset
plus 1 servant
Joseph married Eliza Jane Brice in 1851 St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway
1841 census HO107 673/6 folio 18
Great Queen Street St Giles in the Fileds
Wm Day 45 Lithographer
Caroline Day 45
Caroline Day 20
Wm Day 15
Joseph Day 13
John Day 11
Mary Day 20
Anna Day 6
all born Middlesex
Mary Day married in 1849 to Robert Kent Thomas at St John the Evangelist, Upper Holloway
St John the Baptist, Clerkenwell 1st June 1817
William Day
Caroline Bellenie
Bachelor and spinster of the parish
Both signed
Married by banns
Witnesses Henry George Holden and Ann Bellenie
Regards
Valda
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Hi Valda and eef2010
I have now built up quite a reasonible story and record of the Day family, and I am offering my rough notes; however, eef2010, I will not have what you are looking for - rather family descendants.
Valda, once again you have produced the goods. You have some other records that I did not find. Also, I have found the parents of Caroline Bellenie, and signatures now confirm that Bellenie name should be spelt this way.
The two Day sons married two Rees cousins. There is one person in Somerset still with the Day surname, but she is not able to contribute much more at this stage.
Keith Rees
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Hi
So were Caroline's parents William and Ann nee Mitchell who married 1st May 1786 at St John the Baptist, Clerkenwell - William was a widower?
If so a possible Prerogative Court of Canterbury will
Will of William Bellenie, Stonemason of No 7 Fisher Street Red Lion Square 25 May 1822 PROB 11/1656
St George The Martyr, Queen Square 29th April 1822
William Bellenie aged 79, Fisher Street
St George The Martyr, Queen Square 13th January 1830
Ann Bellenie aged 70, Fisher Street
Considering that William Day's first occupation was a baker and that he switched to printer between 1820 and 1825 (not just printer a lithographic printer) that is quite a jump.
If the Bellenie parents are correct they married at St John the Baptist Clerkenwell as did William and Caroline. In 1825 a James Day, a printer was buried in the same churchyard. He was a bachelor aged 57 who left a will. His death occured after Emma Day's baptism at the beginning of the year which gives her father's occupation as lithographic printer. Day is a common surname and because of age this James, if he was connected could not have been William's sibling. It could very easily be just a red herring since the surname is so common.
Regards
Valda
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Hi - not sure if this helps, but Day and Son appears to have been wound up in 1870: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/23595/pages/1606
Regards
Rob
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Yes, Valda, I also came up with Caroline Bellenie being a child of Wm Bellenie second marriage to Ann Mitchell as you stated. I did not pursue his first wife and a number of chn, as that was beyond what I needed at the time.
Although William Day may have been a baker, I still believe his father was a printer - but I will need to spend more time on that theory.
Some of my notes:
William Day also enjoyed the patronage of the Royal Family as 'Lithographers to the King'. In 1837, the firm of Day and Haghe, as it was then sometimes called, apparently had requested a grant of the Royal Warrant from the newly enthroned Queen Victoria, and were in the same year granted the Warrant as 'Lithographers to Queen Victoria and to the Queen Dowager, Queen Adelaide'. This was confirmed in a letter from St. James's Palace on 29 July 1837:
'Gentlemen,
I beg to acknowledge the Receipt of your Petition of the 11th June and am honoured with the Queen's Command to acquaint you that Her Majesty has graciously signified her consent that you should be appointed lithographers to Her Majesty's Household.
I have the honour to be
Your obed. humblest
H. Wheatley'
Some more of my very rough days include:
Another indication of the interest taken by the Royal Family in lithography, and particularly the firm of Day and Son, was that in 1856 the Prince of Wales and Prince Alfred paid a visit to the works in Gate Street. The firm's premises had been enlarged around this time, and the visit probably marked the completion of the new work. The visit naturally received public attention, and a wood-engraving of the event appeared in the Illustrated London News shortly afterwards.
Another well-known person who dealt with the firm on at least two occasions, was Florence Nightingale. There is a collection of her correspondence in the British Library, which contains one letter from her to Day and Son, and one from the firm to her.(20) The letter from the firm to Miss Nightingale is dated 7 January 1863 and is written on stationery with the firm's letterhead. It reads:
'Day and Son Lithographers and Chromolithographers to the Queen
Steel and Copper Plate and Letter Press Printers, Gate Street, Lincolns Inn Fields -- Messrs. Day and Son present compliments to Miss Nightingale and beg to thank her for the cheque for Mr. Bedford's Photographs of the Prince of Wales tour. Messrs. Day and Son will be happy to send Miss Nightingale duplicates of the Scutari views and also to send the entire series for her inspection which they will do on Saturday, and should Miss Nightingale select any single photograph Messrs. Day and Son will gladly make an exception.'
The firm later became Day and Son and by 1845, it is recorded that William Day left 30,000 pounds to his son to carry on the business.
I also concluded that Caroline Day nee Bellenie marries a second time to James Day, the son of Samuel Day and Mary Shephard.
1861 Census: Reference: RG 9/1626 Stewards (?) House, Pawlett, Somerset
George Heath Head Widow 71 Farmer Born: Pawlett, Somerset
Mary Childly Serv Widow 52 House keeper Stoke (?), Somerset
James Day Visitor Married 71 Proprietor of houses Pawlett, Somerset
Caroline Day Visitor Married 66 Proprietor of houses London
Elizabeth Day Visitor Unm 66 Proprietor of houses London
E.A.M.K. Day Visitor Unm 26 London
1871 Census: Reference: RG 10/ 730 ...... Grove, Peckham, St. Giles, Camberwell, Surrey
Caroline Day Mother Married 76 Born: London
John R. Nicholls Visitor Married 50 ............... Portsmouth, Hampshire
Caroline A. Nicholls Visitor Married 51 London
plus a servant
I do have a copy of the William Day's Will, Printer of 17 Goswell St 1 Sep 1834 whose wife was Ann, but I have not done much with it.
Regards,
Keith Rees
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Valda and others
I have an ongoing working project called Serving their country in The Great War, where I try to write a summary of any descendant of David Rees (1757-1837) of Haverfordwest, Wales who served in WW1.
So far, I have 22 Australians; 4 New Zealanders (2 nurses); 9 Welshmen; and 7 Englishmen.
Tonight, I found that Earle Eric Bellenie Day (1885-1961) enlisted in Royal Airforce 10 Dec 1915.
He was a great grandson of William Day, the Lithographer of London and grandson of John Bellenie Day. Yes, a little complicated but John Bellenie Day married Isabel Rose Rees, and his brother William Day of Day and Haghe, the Lithographers, married Elizabeth Rees, her cousin.
Anyway, I no longer have access to the company that sourced Royal Airforce records of WW1.
Can anyone spare a minute or two, and tell me anything of Earle Eric Bellanie Day during WW1. He had married Elizabeth Maud Skellorn in 1909 Islington. He was born in Auckland when his dad was a journalist there in 1885.
Keith
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I have a painting of Manwood Court in Sandwich by Mrs Day from Mrs J J Day dated 23rd February 1914. I also have several lithograph prints of castles around England prepared for inclusion in the Boys Own Magazine. W J Gordon was an editor of the magazine and think he may have kept the lithograph publishing of these “in the family”
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Thank you Metz.
I have just noted your reply from Nov 23 and my sincere apologies.
Wm. J. Gordon (1849-1937), yes, editor of Boys Own, was husband of Marian Grace Day (1855-1943). She was the daughter of William Day and Elizabeth Rees, the lithographer of London. His brother John Bellenie Day was also married to Isabel Rose Rees, her cousin.
Mabel Grace Gordon (1881-1959) was the daughter of Dr. James John Day.
Marion Rees (1830 -1926) was a niece of the above John Bellenie Day. She married Capt. George Coleman and he was from Deal/Sandwich way. They did not have children and entertained her London cousins in Kent.
Marian Coleman also spent some time living with W.G. Grace, as he was also her cousin; and he had married Agnes Day, another daughter of William Day and Elizabeth Rees and also his cousin.
So, there was some closeness with the extended families. Actually, three Rees siblings from Haverfordwest married three children of George Pocock of Bristol and another of his daughters Martha, was W.G. Grace's mother.
Keith