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Title: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Callywoods on Sunday 22 March 09 17:40 GMT (UK)
I wonder if anyone has come across the girl's name of Fortable.

David Meikle McKenna b. 1876 Ballantrae, Ayrshire married in Glasgow Fortable Campbell Simers b.abt 1876.
Her parents were, according to their marriage lines, James Simers,butcher and Fortable Campbell, Lochgilphead, Argyll.
I have been unable to find births for mother or daughter and wondered if for some reason they changed their names.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 22 March 09 18:03 GMT (UK)
Hi

According to the 1901 census she was b Lochgilphead, Argylleshire
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Cember on Sunday 22 March 09 18:12 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have an ancester named "Comfort" I wonder if "Fortable" could be an insider family joke/alternative?   
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 22 March 09 18:14 GMT (UK)
Same thought went through my mind as well but still can't find an 1881 entry under either
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Callywoods on Sunday 22 March 09 18:18 GMT (UK)
It was obviously a family name as Fortable McKenna  had a daughter called Fortable b.1903.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Piglet01 on Sunday 22 March 09 22:45 GMT (UK)
I see that the IGI has one pedigree resource file for your lady and that Rootsweb has 2 trees - neither of which shines any more light.  Got to go.  Shall look back tomorrow.  Regards,   Steve :O)
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: JAP on Monday 23 March 09 01:36 GMT (UK)
This question was posed earlier at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,364312.0.html

A RootsChatter mentioned that Pedigree Resource File in response.
Also, Callywoods mentioned an Isabella Campbell SIMERS born 1878 and wondered whether that might be her.

Callywoods, have you downloaded that birth certificate from ScotlandsPeople in order to find out the names of her parents?

Though, from the 1881 census, Isabella's family looks to be the following SUMMERS family in South Knapdale, Lochgilphead - James 36 Head, Gardener, b Ireland; Eliza 29 Wife b Ireland; Patrick R 10 b Renfrewshire; Margaret 8, James 6, Mary 4, Gabella (sic) C 2, William 6 mths - all b South Knapdale.  The 1871 Renfrewshire birth of Patrick Robert SOMERS,mother's name MURPHY is in the IGI.  As are the 1872 and 1874 births of Margaret and James SIMERS in South Knapdale, mother's name MORPHEY(S).  The 1870 Renfrewshire marriage (SOMERS) is also in the IGI.
In 1891 there are two further children, Eliza and Catherine, and father James is not around.

JAP
PS: The death of Fortable MCKENNA other name SIMERS in 1958, birth year 1876, is on SP.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Callywoods on Monday 23 March 09 09:06 GMT (UK)
Thank you Jap.  I have researched the Fortable Campbell/Simers/McKenna family thoroughly so have all the information you found. My main interest is in the actual name of Fortable and where it suddenly sprang from! 
The earliest record I can find is the marriage of Fortable Campbell Simers to David McKenna in 1899 where her parents are recorded as James Simers (butcher) and Fortable Campbell (deceased). I can find no record of the mother's death. I wondered whether they perhaps joined some religious sect and changed their names.
Mary
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Piglet01 on Monday 23 March 09 10:15 GMT (UK)
In all of Scotland - 1855 to 1900

On SP, only the following 5 female children born with a Simers surname.  A bit of a mystery.  As you know an unusual female christian name usually derives from a surname on the female side.  OPRs and IGI tried - as I'm sure you have  (IGI not having them means nothing....  Google booked it... nothing.  Can't even get a dictionary definition.  As JAP indicates, James 'Simers' married Elizabeth Murphy on June 16th  Mid Parish in Greenock.  I went and downloaded the bc's for Mary and Catherine -  :(


1 1886 SIMERS CATHERINE F LOCHGILPHEAD /ARGYLL 526/00 0046
2 1883 SIMERS ELIZA F LOCHGILPHEAD /ARGYLL 526/00 0044
3 1878 SIMERS ISABELLA CAMPBE F SOUTH KNAPDALE /ARGYLL 533/00 0003
4 1872 SIMERS MARGARET F SOUTH KNAPDALE /ARGYLL 533/00 0004
5 1876 SIMERS MARY F SOUTH KNAPDALE /ARGYLL 533/00 0005
 
I'll admit defeat for the moment.  Good luck. 
Regards,  Steve   :O)
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: JAP on Monday 23 March 09 14:53 GMT (UK)
Thank you Jap.  I have researched the Fortable Campbell/Simers/McKenna family thoroughly so have all the information you found.  ... 

Hello again Callywoods/Mary,

It is always helpful, when posting a query, to tell RootsChatters what information you already have so Chatters don't toddle off and busily duplicate searches which have already been done.  :)

Incidentally, have you found any record of James SIMERS (however spelled) as a butcher other than on Fortable's marriage certificate?

And have you found his death and/or do you have his death certificate?

Do you have Fortable (SIMERS) MCKENNA's death certificate - any clues?

Did Fortable have any siblings that you know of?  Any clues there?

Any clues in the witnesses to the marriage of Fortable and David?

Incidentally, even if - for whatever reason - James and/or Fortable changed their names (given and/or surnames), that doesn't help to explain where the name Fortable originated ...

Hello Steve,

Presumably Catherine's mother was still given as (some variant of) Eliza MURPHY?

Fortable doesn't seem to have any provenance - at least nothing which any of us has yet been able to find.  :'(

Regards to you both,

JAP
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Callywoods on Monday 23 March 09 17:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve and Jap!
I consider my knuckles well and truly rapped! I didn't give you all the info I had gathered as I didn't expect anyone to go to so much trouble.
Anyway thank you for all your help and suggestions.
They really are a most elusive family.
In answer to your questions, Jap -
I dont have a death cert for James Simers or any other reference to him at all, except for the McKenna/Simers marriage cert.
Havent found any siblings for Fortable Simers.
The marriage cert may provide a clue. It seems to have been  an irregular marriage.
The first column reads
26 January, East? John Street Glasgow by declaration in presence of James Murdoch, tram car guard and Minnie Sloan domestic servant
The second to last column reads
Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Lanarkshire dated 26 January 1899

The witnesses were probably work mates. The bridegroom was also a tram car driver and the bride a domestic servant. So no clues there.

I'll keep looking!  Mary
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Piglet01 on Monday 23 March 09 21:26 GMT (UK)
Hello JAP 

Yes, mother given as you found, as Elizabeth on Catherines,  and on Marys, Elizabeth Murphy.  On both, fathers occ is that of gardener.  Marriage out by 10 days, one says 06 June the other 16th.  On both fathers names is James Simers, but sister Margaret Simers is the witness for Catherines birth in 1886.

I assumed that the 1878 birth had been downloaded, so went for the 1876 one and then went for the last one.  Just trying to 'bracket' the abt 1877 birth credited to 'Fortable'.

Mary - no apologies required   :O)  This one may be left for the moment, but until you get an answer it'll be on the backburner   :O) 
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Scatza on Tuesday 24 March 09 17:14 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have an ancester named "Comfort" I wonder if "Fortable" could be an insider family joke/alternative?   

Sometimes the most obvious answers are right infront of our eyes, and your suggestion is probably the most likely  :)
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Piglet01 on Wednesday 25 March 09 23:45 GMT (UK)
Back off SP .  No further forward.  1855 to 2006 in Argyll only 3 James Simers die.  Only one fits the age range - and he dies in Lochgilphead.  The gardener above married to Elizabeth Murphy died on 13 Sept 1888.   :(

Also no deaths in Scotland for a female Campbell married to a Simers......

And in response to JAPs query post no. 9

Fortable Mckenna died on 19 Apr 1958.  Parents recorded as James Simers butcher and Fortable Simers, M.S. Campbell.  Witness was daughter Fortable Boyd - who died in 1982.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Scatza on Friday 27 March 09 20:04 GMT (UK)
My main interest is in the actual name of Fortable and where it suddenly sprang from! 
The earliest record I can find is the marriage of Fortable Campbell Simers to David McKenna in 1899 where her parents are recorded as James Simers (butcher) and Fortable Campbell (deceased).

Curiouser and curiouser! So it looks like James Simers (butcher) was married twice: First to Fortable Campbell, and second to Elizabeth Murphy? Elizabeth Murphy Simers was still alive in 1901, living with children Patrick aka Robert, William. and Catherine Simers, so she was probably not  Isabella /Fortable Campbell Simer's natural mother.  The latter's 1899 marriage registration to David Meikle McKenna suggests that her birth mother was deceased.

Or, did James and  Elizabeth Murphy Simer's name one of their daughters after his deceased wife?  We know he was a widower when he married Elizabeth Murphy, from their marriage registration.

While the name Fortable was carried on through a third generation (Fortable McKenna b. 1903), none of this throws any light on the origin of the name or its meaning.  Finding out more about Fortable Campbell, James Simer's first wife, would seem to be a more promising path to follow   ???

Megan
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: sancti on Friday 27 March 09 21:48 GMT (UK)
Are there any census records showing James Simers as a butcher?
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Scatza on Friday 27 March 09 22:16 GMT (UK)
Are there any census records showing James Simers as a butcher?

Callywoods and I have kinda been working on this together for some time: I have been looking at the census' but have not yet found anything more for him apart from the 1881 census, when he is listed as a Gardener at Reids Land, South Knapdale, Argyll.  Callywoods has the other registrations. Co-incidentally his son William (with Elizabeth Murphy Simers) is an Assistant Butcher in Glasserton 1901 census.  Now that I have a hunch that James Simers may have previously been married to Fortable Campbell (other names not known), I am looking for spelling variations and possible matches for her. I don't think we are going to find her by that name in the 'official' registrations though  ::)

Megan
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Scatza on Friday 27 March 09 22:19 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I meant Glassary Argyll - unfamilair names venturing from Kirkcudbrightshire to Argyll  :)
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: sancti on Friday 27 March 09 23:35 GMT (UK)
If James Simers married Elizabeth Murphy in 1870, why does Fortable (born around 1876) give her mothers name as Campbell?
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Scatza on Friday 27 March 09 23:54 GMT (UK)
This is the puzzle!!!! Did she make up her father's occupation and her mother's name? Or is what she reported at the time of her marriage correct? That is what we have been trying to work out, and the challenge has been the name Fortable! Only three Fortables have been found: (1) Fortable Campbell, who is named as the mother of Fortable Campbell Simers (the latters marriage registration to David Meikle McKenna) (2) Isabella 'Fortable'? C. Simers herself (census'), and (3) Fortable McKenna b. 1903, her daughter, who married a Boyd.

Her father was previously married to ???? (marriage registration to Elizabeth Murphy). It has been assumed that Isabella C. Simers b. abt 1849 in Lochgilphead to James Simers and Elizabeth Murphy is AKA as Fortable Simers who married David McKenna.  But is that correct? We don't know.

All very confusing unless one has been keeping tag, and the more one digs, the more confusing it seems to get. It doesn't help to have such an unusual name, and it is the name that provenance is being sought for. Any new ideas are welcome!
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: sancti on Saturday 28 March 09 00:12 GMT (UK)
Has the Fortable who married in 1899 been found on the 1881 or 1891 census?
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Scatza on Saturday 28 March 09 00:42 GMT (UK)
Has the Fortable who married in 1899 been found on the 1881 or 1891 census?

Yes.
1881 Gabella C. Summers b. abt 1879 with her parents in S. Knapdale, Argyll
1891 Isabella C. Simers b. abt 1879 with her mother (father deceased) in Glassery, Argyll
1901 Fortable McKenna b. abt 1876 with her husband David Meikle McKenna in Glagow

Everything that is available through SP has been researched.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: JAP on Saturday 28 March 09 07:48 GMT (UK)
Hi All,

It seems that there are only two persons with the given name Fortable.
Fortable Campbell SIMERS who married and died with that name.
Fortable MCKENNA later BOYD who was registered with the given name Fortable at birth.

It is not known whether Fortable was actually the formal given name of the female SIMERS who married David MCKENNA.
No record has been found of a Fortable SIMERS prior to her marriage to David MCKENNA.
It is not known whether Fortable was actually the given name of the mother of Fortable (SIMERS) MCKENNA.
It is not known whether her father was actually a butcher.
It is not known whether CAMPBELL was actually the maiden surname of her mother.

It has been suggested that Fortable SIMERS might actually be Isabella Campbell SIMERS b 1878, South Knapdale (civil parish of Lochgilphead), daughter of James SIMERS, a gardener, & Elizabeth MURPHY.

It seems that there are a few possible lines of enquiry:

a) tracing descendants of David & Fortable MCKENNA to see whether any of them has any insight into the origin of the name.
Are descendants of Fortable (MCKENNA) BOYD known?  Do they have any clues?
Did Jane B MCKENNA, 5 months in 1901, survive?  If she did, did she have descendants?
Did David & Fortable have other children?


b) trying to trace Isabella Campbell SIMERS forward after 1891.  If she is found as a separate person, that would put paid to the theory that she is actually the same person as Fortable

c) if she is not found, then it would be worth trying to trace James SIMERS (however spelled) and Elizabeth MURPHY (however spelled) backwards to see whether there are any clues to the name in their ancestries.  And to trace their children and descendants forward to see whether any of them have any insight into the origin of the name Fortable.

In regard to c), who were the parents of each of James SIMERS and Elizabeth MURPHY?
Their marriage certificate would possibly be the most reliable source (and would also indicate James's occupation at that time).
I think this has been obtained as it was mentioned that James was a widower at his marriage to Elizabeth?
Perhaps the full details of that cert could be posted?
Is the name of his first wife known?  It might be recorded on his death cert?

Incidentally, Fortable BOYD, informant of Fortable Campbell MCKENNA's death, might have taken the info about her mother's parents from the marriage cert?  That is, she might not have speaking from personal knowledge of her maternal grandparents and perhaps not even from family folklore - just from documents found after her mother's death?

I will make a summary - in two parts - for my own benefit, of what seems to be known (and, sancti, it might answer some of your queries).  If more information comes to light I will edit the summaries.

JAP
********************

SUMMARY PART I
Facts about Fortable Campbell SIMERS who married David MCKENNA


1899
Glasgow.  David Meikle MCKENNA married Fortable Campbell SIMERS (b ca 1876).  Fortable's parents given as James SIMERS, butcher, and Fortable CAMPBELL.

1901
61 E Neilson St, Camlachie, Glasgow
MCKENNA
David M, 25, Head, "Traincer Driver", b Ballantrae Ayrshire
Fortable C, 25, Wife, b Lochgilphead, Argyllshire
Jane B, 5 months, Daughter, b Glasgow Lanarkshire

1903
MCKENNA Fortable born.

1958 19 April
MCKENNA Fortable, 58, dies.  Parents listed as James SIMERS, butcher, and Fortable CAMPBELL.  Informant is her daughter Fortable BOYD.

1982
Fortable BOYD dies.

Regards,

JAP
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: JAP on Saturday 28 March 09 08:01 GMT (UK)
SUMMARY PART 2
Facts about Isabella Campbell SIMERS - who, it has been suggested, might be the same person as Fortable Campbell SIMERS


1870 6 June
SOMERS James (widower?) marries Elisabeth MURPHY, Middle or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrewshire (from IGI)

1871 17 March
SOMERS Patrick Robert born, Middle-East-West Parishes, Greenock, Renfrewshire, mother's name Elizabeth MURPHY (from IGI)

1872 15 July
SIMERS Margaret born South Knapdale, mother's name Elizabeth MORPHEYS (from SP & IGI)

1874 9 Feb
SIMERS James born South Knapdale, mother's name Elizabeth MORPHEY (from IGI)

1876
SIMERS Mary born South Knapdale (from SP)

1878
SIMERS Isabella Campbe born South Knapdale (from SP)

1881
South Knapdale, Lochgilphead
SUMMERS
James, Head, 36, Gardener, b Ireland
Eliza, Wife, 29, b Ireland
Patrick R, son, 10, b Renfrewshire
Margaret, daughter, 8, b South Knapdale
James, 6, son, b South Knapdale
Mary, 4, daughter, b South Knapdale
Gabella (sic), daughter, 2, b South Knapdale
William, son, 6 mths, b South Knapdale

1883
SIMERS Eliza born Lochgilphead (from SP)

1886
SIMERS Catherine born Lochgilphead (from SP)

1888 13 September
SIMERS James, gardener, dies in Lochgilphead (from SP)

1891
3 Argyle Lane, Glassary, Lochgilphead
SIMERS
Eliza, 40, Head, House Wife, b Ireland
Robert, 26, son, Driver, b Greenock Renfrewshire
James, 17,  son, Groom, b So Knapdale, Argyll
Mary, 15, daughter, General Servant, b So Knapdale, Argyll
Isabella C, 12, daughter, Scholar, b So Knapdale, Argyll
William, 10, son, Scholar, b So Knapdale, Argyll
Eliza, 7, daughter, Scholar, b So Knapdale, Argyll
Catherine, 4, daughter, b So Knapdale, Argyll

1901
3 Argyll Court, Glassary, Lochgilphead
SIMERS
Elizabeth, 50, Head,  House Keeper, b Greenock Renfrewshire
Robert, 30, Son, Forrester, b Greenock
William, 20, Son, Butchers Assistant, b South Knapdale, Argyll
Catherine, 14, Daughter, Scholar, b Lochgilphead, Argyll
and a boarder
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Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: sancti on Saturday 28 March 09 09:44 GMT (UK)
Thanks for taking the time to make things a lot clearer for everyone JAP.

Has anyone checked James Simers DC in 1888 to see the name of his 1st wife?

The 1st documented record of the name 'Fortable' appears to be 1899 which may just be some form of phonic corruption of Isabel.

The information that 'Fortable' gave about her parents when she married is clearly wrong, unless we are looking at the wrong family. As far as the name Campbell is concerned, why wait until your 5th child is born to give her the middle name of your first wife? I think it more likely to be named after a friend or local minister etc.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Callywoods on Saturday 28 March 09 13:42 GMT (UK)
Replying to JAP's and Sancti's queries

On James Simers death cert. there is no mention of his first wife. The family seemed a bit vague about James' age - it is entered as 'about 60 years'

Here are the details of James and Elizabeth's marriage cert.

1770 On the 6th day of June at 3 Lynaloch (?) Street Greenock after banns according to the forms of the Free Church of Scotland

(Signed) James Somers, gardener, widower               aged 38
(Signed) Elizabeth Murphy, her mark, spinster              aged 32
Repwork worker

24 Market St Greenock
20 Market Street Greenock

Parents
John Somers Gardener / jobbing
Elizabeth Somers M.S. McLellan

William Murphy labourer
Elizabeth McColum (?)

(signed) James Stark minister
              Maggie Stark  witness
              Catherine Dodds witness

Sancti - I think your suggestion that Fortable could be a derivitive of Isabel a very good one.

One daughter of David and Fortable is still alive aged 97, but her memory is very poor so not able to help.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: JAP on Saturday 28 March 09 14:41 GMT (UK)
A snippet for interest/completeness.

A Google search finds that there was a steam ship called the "Fortabelle".

It started service between New York and Bermuda in 1899.

Here is a site which mentions it:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bmuwgw/ships6.html

JAP
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: sancti on Saturday 28 March 09 16:51 GMT (UK)
I think the address of James' second marriage may be Lynedoch Street in Greenock. Maybe a search on deaths around 1870 Renfrewshire will show the name of his 1st wife
Title: Mcclune Family South Africa, Cape Town
Post by: CharlenePetersen on Thursday 09 June 11 14:37 BST (UK)
HI Scatza

I saw your post on this website and thought I'd reply to see how far it goes.

My name is Charlene Petersen and I live in Cape Town, South Africa.
My mom's maiden name is McClune and she is the eldest daughter of Thomas McClune, his wife Sophia McClune.

My mom from what she told me, her dad's father is from Scotland and he and his brother moved to South Africa after the War and married South African women.

Her grandmother's name was Anne or Anna. I'm not too sure of all the detail, but will have to spend time with my mom's side of the family whom I have'nt seen in ages.
They are trying to locate lost family and loved ones, as they strongly believe they are related to the Scotland Mcclune Family.

For now I only have listed the names of my mother's brother's and sisters if it means anything: (*)

Mom's Dat Thomas Mcclune married Sophia they lived on a farm in Wolsely, Cape Town


Pls let me know if this information means anything to you and write back if you require any information or pics I may have omitted


Kind Regards
Charlene

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Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 09 June 11 15:14 BST (UK)
Hi Charlene

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

I have edited out the names of your aunts and uncles from your post above for the reasons as shown on the post.

Hope you enjoy your time here on RootsChat.

Monica
Title: Re: Mcclune Family South Africa, Cape Town
Post by: A Blessing on Friday 10 June 11 13:17 BST (UK)
HI Scatza

I saw your post on this website and thought I'd reply to see how far it goes.

My name is Charlene Petersen and I live in Cape Town, South Africa.
My mom's maiden name is McClune and she is the eldest daughter of Thomas McClune, his wife Sophia McClune.


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]My mom from what she told me, her dad's father is from Scotland and he and his brother moved to South Africa after the War and married South African women.[/color]

Her grandmother's name was Anne or Anna. I'm not too sure of all the detail, but will have to spend time with my mom's side of the family whom I have'nt seen in ages.
They are trying to locate lost family and loved ones, as they strongly believe they are related to the Scotland Mcclune Family.

For now I only have listed the names of my mother's brother's and sisters if it means anything: (*)

Mom's Dat Thomas Mcclune married Sophia they lived on a farm in Wolsely, Cape Town


Pls let me know if this information means anything to you and write back if you require any information or pics I may have omitted


Kind Regards
Charlene

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Hi Charlene

Your grandpa was born  on the 31 May 1930 in Ceres  Western Cape -He was Thomas David McCLune
Grandma was  Sophia Van Der Merwe born 23 December 1930.Dad and mom had 15 kids -2 died early age -13 still alive.    Dad McCLune brothers names (*)

Charlene your great grandpa name was Edward Stuart McCLune -He was married to Elizabeth Davids
She grew up in Prince Albert -western cape -nearby oudtshoorn-greatgrandma was 47 in 1943
Your great grand mother got a niece in Firgrove cape town Aunty (*) - her husband Uncle (*) -some of their daughers  do nursing(little pieces i know).

Your grandpa got nephews (*)

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Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 10 June 11 13:28 BST (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat, A Blessing  :)

As with Charlene's post, some of the details you have included in respect of names relate to living people which are not permitted on the main open boards here RootsChat to protect people's privacy.

Once you and Charlene have made at least 3 posts on the open forum, your Private Message service (PMs) will be activated. This is a a good way to exchange personal emails.

Monica  :)
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: amyerman on Tuesday 17 April 12 02:25 BST (UK)
Fortable McKenna was my Great Grand Mother and married David McKenna on 29th Jan !899.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 17 April 12 18:57 BST (UK)
5 1876 SIMERS MARY F SOUTH KNAPDALE /ARGYLL 533/00 0005

Is it possible that this F stands for Fortable? Has someone already looked at the birth certificate?
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: amyerman on Tuesday 24 April 12 15:28 BST (UK)
Fortable McKenna was my Great Grand Mother and married David McKenna on 29th Jan !899.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Jernas1961 on Monday 24 September 12 14:50 BST (UK)
Fortable McKenna b. abt 1876 David Meikle McKenna are my Great Grand parents. i have ask family members about the name Fortable and all they say is that the name came from a ships name. i have been trying to find Fortable Cambell without success. and have concluded that it is most likely that Isabella Campbell Simers if intact Fortable Campbell Simers. with Fortable being a family pet name.
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: Jernas1961 on Monday 24 September 12 14:54 BST (UK)
it would seem that we have the same family line do you have much information
Title: Re: A girl called Fortable!
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 24 September 12 15:14 BST (UK)
Hi Jernas1961

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

After all this time, it would be wonderful to conclude the mystery surrounding 'A girl called Fortable'  ;)

Monica