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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: california dreamin on Tuesday 24 March 09 14:47 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone is tracing their families that lived in the townlands of Lisnamuck, Kirley or Brackareilly? This area lies in the foothills of the Sperrin Mts. roughly btween Draperstown and Maghera. I am currently trying to find out further information about the Donnelly family in the townland of Kirley. However, to do this I am having to look at the neighbouring townlands (listed above) as there are further Donnelly families there. I do have alot of research information, however, I was wondering if there are others that are reserching this area & may have married into the Donnelly family? I thought it may be helpful to compare any information. Other families living in Kirley include many Lagans, McKenna's, Convery, Cassidy, McCusker, McWilliams ....well I could go on, but there are certain families that dominate this area. The Donnelly's were Catholics and appear to have had their allegiance with the church in Glen (St Patrick's) rather than the RC Church in Draperstown. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thx.
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Can't help you with any of the families you mention but be aware that there are 2 townlands called Lisnamuck (meaning 'the fort of the pigs') in County Londonderry- other one is in Aghadowey Parish.
Moore Munn, in his book Notes on the Place Names of the Parishes and Townlands of the County of Londonderry (1925), gives the spelling as Bracaghreilly although there are usually lots of variations in Irish place names.
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Hi,
I am not related and have no knowledge of the families you mention but I can find the names in the general area in which you are looking. If you can give us names and dates of people you are interested in I, and others with a similar interest, will be happy to use our resources to help if we can.
Regards
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Thank you for your reply - (also to Aghadowey). I am trying to find out further information about my g-g-grandfather - from Barony: Loughinsholin Civil Parish: Maghera
Townland: Kirley
John Donnelly - b. approx. 1840 / died 15 Sept 1898
married to Margaret Cullinan or Culnan or Cullenan
(I have 3 documents that all spell her name differently)! She also seems to have been known as "Peggy".
They had two sons -
Patrick b.25/7/1869 in Kirley
Paul b. 17/11/1871 in Kirley
I am unaware if there were any more children.
John was a tenant farmer for the Drapers Company. It was the Drapers Co. who owned all the land in Kirley and Brackareilly (Bracaghreilly). There are two "John's" who appear in the Cancellation Books - I am trying to find out if they are the same John - one John was passed the property tenancy from Charles Donnelly and one from Michael Donnelly. Normally, as you may know the tenancies were passed from father to son. Hence my query, as I would like to find out who John's father was. To complicate matters I also have a baptismal certificate for a John Donnelly from the Priest at St. Patricks,Glen listing the birth of a John Donnelly (b.1843) parents address listed only as "Co Derry" Parents names listed as Francis Donnelly & Margaret McCusker.
So I now have a choice of 3 fathers - !!
Patrick (my g-grandfather) left Kirley in approx. 1894 for Glasgow and did not return.
Paul and his Mother appear to have left at some point after John death in 1898 - and moved to Cumberland, England where Margaret died in 1913. The family believe Paul and his family emigrated to the US at some point after that.
Thanks for any help you may be able provide. My "brick wall" is very high at the moment!
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Hi,
I have not been able to find a lot. I can confirm the births of Patrick and Paul from Emerald Ancestors where the mother's maiden name is spelled CULNAN and a parent search on the IGI also gives a daughter NANCEY (sic) born 16 Oct 1866. I cannot find a marriage but there is a good chance they married before Civil registration was required in 1864. I looked up the townland of Kirley in the 1858 Griffith's Valuation and found 7 Donnelly families but could not find a Culnan family in the Magherafelt Poor law Union.
Regards
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Thank you so much for your efforts :) The discovery about "Nancey" is a little jewel of information. I was aware of the 7 Donnelly families from the Griffiths Valuation. They are all related in some way - from research they appear to be 2 generations, but at this stage I am not sure who is related to who and how. The older ones may have been brothers. This is why I am trying to find out the relationships of all Donnelly's in Lisnamuck, Kirley and Brackareilly. I am hoping that his will assist me in finding John Donnelly's father and learn more about his family.
I like you could not find a marriage btween John & Margaret. I came up with the same conclusion, that they may have been married prior to 1864 or married in another district. I have not pursued the Cullinan (Culnan) family but I can tell you that the name Cullinan is not native to Derry but derives from a place called Ennis in Southern Ireland. There are 2 small pockets of Cullinan's one in Donegal and one in Co. Tyrone. There are 15 Cullinan's on Griffiths Val in Tyrone! However, without a name of any parents for Margaret or birthdate I felt like I was on a fools mission, and feel happier trying to sort out my Donnelly's!! So I'm leaving the Cullinan's in peace for the time being. Thank you again for your help.
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I wonder if anyone is tracing their families that lived in the townlands of Lisnamuck, Kirley or Brackareilly? This area lies in the foothills of the Sperrin Mts. roughly btween Draperstown and Maghera. I am currently trying to find out further information about the Donnelly family in the townland of Kirley. However, to do this I am having to look at the neighbouring townlands (listed above) as there are further Donnelly families there. I do have alot of research information, however, I was wondering if there are others that are reserching this area & may have married into the Donnelly family? I thought it may be helpful to compare any information. Other families living in Kirley include many Lagans, McKenna's, Convery, Cassidy, McCusker, McWilliams ....well I could go on, but there are certain families that dominate this area. The Donnelly's were Catholics and appear to have had their allegiance with the church in Glen (St Patrick's) rather than the RC Church in Draperstown. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thx.
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HI,MY G-GRANDFATHER WAS FRANCIS DONNELLY FROM KIRLEY HE MARRIED MC GUIGAN FROM BRACKALISLEA( DESERTMARTIN PARISH) AND MOVED TO BRACKALISLEA.THE CULINAN YOU MENTION COULD BE FROM BRACKALISLEA AND THE MARRIAGE MAY HAVE TOOK PLACE IN DESERTMARTIN OR BALLINASCREEN(DRAPERSTOWN)
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I have a Thomas Donnelly married to a Bridget Kean from that area. Two sons were Thomas Donnelly (b 1822 who married an Agnes Cassidy in Glasgow in 1845.) and James Donnelly who married a Catherine Livingston(e) and had a son James born in Co. Londonderry about 1833. He married an Alice Gillies in Glasgow in 1865. Recurring family name is James Edmund Livingston Donnelly. The last one of this name killed at Gallipoli in 1915 aged 18.
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Thank you Baird for your reply :) I have kept a note of the details regarding your Donnelly's. The names you mentioned are not names that appear in my family tree (Thomas' or James Edmund). However there is the "Glasgow" connection which could be a link. My Great-grandfather Patrick chose to go to Glasgow in approx 1890-94 and was in his early 20's - which makes me wonder if he knew anyone there or had any family members already in Glasgow. Do you know exactly where your Donnelly's came from in the Maghera area?
Thank you PPCJMM for your reply :) I wonder if there is anything more you could tell me about your Francis Donnelly? Francis is a name I have come across before and I believe maybe a family name - also I have been told that Brackalislea is the "original" home place of the Donnelly's before Kirley. The name Matthew Donnelly was mentioned. Also, I have been told about a Francis Donnelly who married a Sarah McGuigan and that they lived in or came from "Bracca" - could this be your Francis? Thank you for the Culinan lead and perhaps an association with Brackalislea. I have looked into the possibility of John Donnelly & Margaret Cullinan marrying in Ballinascreen but did not come up with anything, as you say they could have been married in Desertmartin. I will try and pursue this. I'm thinking there could be a connection between our Donnelly families, so would be really pleased to hear further from you. Thanks
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HI,MY G-GRANDFATHER WAS FRANCIS DONNELLY FROM KIRLEY HE MARRIED MC GUIGAN FROM BRACKALISLEA( DESERTMARTIN PARISH) AND MOVED TO BRACKALISLEA.THE CULINAN YOU MENTION COULD BE FROM BRACKALISLEA AND THE MARRIAGE MAY HAVE TOOK PLACE IN DESERTMARTIN OR BALLINASCREEN(DRAPERSTOWN)
Hello ppcjmm
I would really like to make contact with you again, as I am sure our Donnelly's are related. I have sent you a PM. If possible could you please contact me either by this link or PM? You could possibly be my way forward over my "brickwall"! :) :) Thanks!
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Hi,
I think that PCCJMM will have to do another post before he can use the PM system.
Regards
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Hi
Yes, thanks for reminding me about the message system. Hopefully ppcjmm will see this and be in touch. I am really keeping my fingers crossed that they will reply because I think we share the same 3x great grandparents!
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Hi
My G G Father was Charles Donnelly Lisnamuck Born 1842 Married Mary heron Bancran.I am trying to get back to his father who I believe was called John. There may be a connection to your John.On the Proni wills register there are two Johns Listed one is your john 1898 the other is John Died 1887 Widow Ellen ???
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Hello Ady -
I am so very pleased to hear from you! :) :). I have been following and trying to trace the Donnelly's from Kirley, Lisnamuck & Bracaghreilly as I am convinced that they are all related somehow! I have quite a bit of information and I would be pleased to pass on what I know. However, you must make 3 postings before you can use the PM (personal message system)! I have looked at the films for the 1901 & 1911 Census for the Donnelly's in these townlands - I have made a transcription from these Censuses, the following you may find of interest. Perhaps already knew?
1901 - Lisnamuck
Charles Donnelly (age 59), Mary Donnelly (55), Francis (19) son, Alice (16) daughter, Charles (14), son and Rose (11), daughter.
1911 - Lisnamuck
Charles Donnelly (72), Mary Donnelly (69), Francis (29) son, Alice (25) daughter, Rosella (19) daughter, Andrew Doogan 3 1/2 grandson
I am hopeful of trying to contact other Donnelly relatives and would love to pool our information - and maybe find out how we are all related and perhaps a little bit more about the family in general - how they all faired and where they went to! Please keeping posting because it would be great to be in touch further!
Cheers, Leslie
PS - I have a copy of the 1831 census - There are 4 Donnelly men (head of households) listed living in Lisnamuck - one being a John Donnelly.
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Hello Turner
Both those records 1901 & 1911 relate to my G G fathers Family.
I have Found a Charles Donnelly Death 1916 Which I believe is my G G Father the only Strange thing is that Probate was Granted to an Edward Cushenan This I cant figure as his Wife and Children were all still alive at this stage.???
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Hi
That is a puzzle - but I can tell you that there was an Edward Cushenan living in Kirley (listed on the 1911 Census). Were the other members of the family still in Lisnamuck? Had they immigrated... ???
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Hi There
Most of the Girls Emigrated except Alice,Mary Went to America but Returned and Married Edward Dougan They had three children but they both Died. Hence Andrew Dougan in 1911 Census Staying with Charles & Mary His Grandparents.
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Hello Again
Does the John in 1831 Census Show any Children or does it give his age ??
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1831 census only lists head of household, number of males and females and religion (relationships aren't given).
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Hi There
Thanks for that. Are there any Charles Donnelys Listed in 1831 Census in that Area ???
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Hello again Ady -
The 1831 Census shows (as Aghadowey rightly says) only head of housesholds and number of males, females & religion - For John's household it shows 2 males and 1 female.
The only other Charles Donnelly in that area in 1831 (and after) is potentially "mine" - this is one of the places I am stuck. There is a Charles Donnelly in Kirley at that time who passes over his farm tenancy to a John Donnelly(sometime between 1870-1880), there is also a Michael Donnelly who passes over his tenancy to a John Donnelly at approx. the same period in time. I also have a baptismal cert. stating that there is also a Francis Donnelly who is father to a John Donnelly born at approx. the right time I am looking for. So, I am in the position of trying to figure out if both of the John Donnelly's in Kirley are one and the same - or maybe cousins? But most importantly who is the father of my John - Charles, Michael or Francis!! :-\ Charles or Michael could have been brothers of John's - they seem to disappear off the radar.
Also, I don't know if you were aware but there was a Peter Donnelly farming in Lisnamuck who seems to have had a large family. I don't know if any of those Donnelly's were named John or Charles. Again one of the things I am looking into!! Trying to eliminate various Donnelly's!
PS - The information about your Donnelly girls was interesting. Thx. Where did they immigrate to in America? I believe one of the Kirley Donnelly's left for Philiadelphia.
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Hello Turnerchimes
This is just a long shot ,but my Grandmother Jane Cassidy Donnelly was born in SCotland in 1887. Her mother was a Mary Ann Miller and her father was Andrew Donnelly My Greatgrandfather James Donnelley was born in Ireland I think it might have been County Cavan Given that my Granmothers Granmothert name was Cassisdy. I have a feeling they were all born and knew each other in Ireland before they came to Scotland Regards Frilly
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Hi Frilly -
No, sorry. Too long a shot I think :)
My family are from Co. Derry and not Co. Cavan. Although there were lots of Donnelly's and Cassidy's in these parts. You will need to try and narrow down where your family are from. Perhaps there may be clues on Jane Donnelly's birth certificate or entry in a parish register in Scotland or you could try and locate the marriage for Mary Ann Miller and Andrew Donnelly as this may give you a better indication of what area they were from in Ireland.
Good Luck!
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Thank you Turnerchimes for your prompt replty AND the tips!!!! Frilly
Hi Frilly -
No, sorry. Too long a shot I think :)
My family are from Co. Derry and not Co. Cavan. Although there were lots of Donnelly's and Cassidy's in these parts. You will need to try and narrow down where your family are from. Perhaps there may be clues on Jane Donnelly's birth certificate or entry in a parish register in Scotland or you could try and locate the marriage for Mary Ann Miller and Andrew Donnelly as this may give you a better indication of what area they were from in Ireland.
Good Luck!
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I'm researching my great, great grandfather, John M. Convery (M. may be Manas or Matthew), born 1809 in Rocktown. He married Sarah Lagan (born 1827) in 08 SEPT 1853; may be John's second marriage because of age difference; together they had the following children (church records indicate Lavey Parish) :
Mary - born 1854
John - born 1855
John - born 1858
Mary - born 1859
Patrick - born 1861
William James - born 1864
Robert Henry - born 1866
Charles (my grandfather) (church records have his last name spelled "Confrey") - born 1869
John M. Convery and Sarah Lagan Convery are buried together in the Old Cemetery at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Lavey Parish. John died on 07 JAN 1881 at age 72; Sarah died on 12 OCT 1873 at age 46. Buried with John and Sarah is a daughter, could be from John's first marriage. She died on 14 JAN 1889; the daughter may be Mary Convery.
Let me know if any of this information is match. I would appreciate any additional information on this family.
Caren Convery
Moderator Note: see separate thread-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,633180
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I believe my grandmother, Elizabeth Mulholland, came out to Philadelphia in Sep of 1899 with her cousin, Annie Donnelly. My gran was from Glen Parish and went to Mass there at St. Pat's. Annie's sister, Bridgid Donnelly was already in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. I have nothing on the Donnelly family, but Annie was listed as a Maghera woman (as was my gran - she was from Tirkane.)
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Hi Derryjack
I have not managed to progress my Donnelly family research much further then when I made my original post. I know that a branch of the family did go to Philadelphia as I have learned this through some research. There were several Donnelly families that lived in Kirley, Brackareilly and Lisnamuck. They were all related but I still have not been able to identify how all of them relate. They all descend from a pair of brothers that had land in the Sperrin Mountains. They had many sons! I think one of these sons died and his wife and her children then went to Philly. But there are numerous Donnelly's and it's really tricky trying to find out who was married to whom, who their children were and how they are related. The were also many Donnelly's in Maghera and it's surrounds who attended St Pat's in Maghera. Philadelphia was a popular destination so perhaps there is a connection? I have not come across anyone in my family from Tirkane.
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Calidreamin', I know my Mulhollands and McKennas and where they lived around Maghera (Tullyheron, Tirkane, Tirnony etc.,) but all I know is that Donnelly's were their cousins. Unfortunately, I do not know the Townland for the Donnelly's. I just know the Donnellys were from the Maghera area. The rest of the family went to Glen Chapel. All the best.
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hi i believe my father was the heir to kirley
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my father was Patrick Donnelly, and his parents were Barny Donnelly and RosieMcwilliams
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Hi sugarydon,
I'm pretty sure our families may be related, can you tell me more about Barney Donnelly and Rosie McWilliams? Would love to hear more about your father being heir to Kirley.
CD
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HI,
Should it help Bernard Donnelly married Rose McWilliams on 11 Dec 1917 in Draperstown Roman Catholic Church.
Regards
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Thanks for your message, hopefully we will hear back from sugary don soon!
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yes Bernard and Rose , they had 16 children. My father Patrick was the first born son. i would b grateful if you have any information about them.
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Hi sugarydon
Thanks for your message. Yes, there is a connection between our Donnelly families. I have done more research since I first posted started this thread so some of the information in this post has changed. I will send you a PM with further details.
I only have 13 children for Barney & Rose so you will have to help me out somewhat!.
Kind regards
CD
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I believe my grandmother, Elizabeth Mulholland, came out to Philadelphia in Sep of 1899 with her cousin, Annie Donnelly. My gran was from Glen Parish and went to Mass there at St. Pat's. Annie's sister, Bridgid Donnelly was already in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. I have nothing on the Donnelly family, but Annie was listed as a Maghera woman (as was my gran - she was from Tirkane.)
Hi Derryjack
Just came across this post; haven’t been on site for a long time; I believe the Annie Donnelly and Bridgid Donnelly were my great Aunts they were daughters of Charles Donnely and Mary Harran Lisnamuck: Annie went to America around this time and married a Peter Buckley from Roscommon:Bridgid became a nun:
Ady900
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I'm a little late to the party here. I recently discovered that someone in my extended family traced back our ancestry back to a John Donnelly from Maghera, Donegal, Ireland. He was born in 1834 and arrived in New York City in 1850. He married Catherine Langan (from Ballymore Ireland). He died in 1870. I'm not sure how accurate any of this information is, so take it with a grain of salt
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taking a wild guess - going to assume you can eliminate Francis as the father of your John. My John had two sons, one who was named Joseph "F" Donnelly, and he had a son named Francis ;) . This is all speculation, of course
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....Bernard Donnelly married Rose McWilliams on 11 Dec 1917 in Draperstown Roman Catholic Church.
They married on 11 January 1917 at Keenaught RC Church. Rose living in the townland of Mormeal.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1917/09735/5532358.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/kilcronaghan/tobermore/mormeal/
Here's Rose (as McWilliam) in 1911 census.
House 25 in Mormeal (Tobermore, Londonderry).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Tobermore/Mormeal/612168/
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After the marriage of Bernard Donnelly to Rose McWilliams in 1917, these are the first two children born:
Catherine Bernadette Donnelly 1917
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01299/1537675.pdf
Mary Margaret Donnelly 1921
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1921/01187/1494553.pdf
Both born at Mormeal.
KG
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taking a wild guess - going to assume you can eliminate Francis as the father of your John. My John had two sons, one who was named Joseph "F" Donnelly, and he had a son named Francis ;) . This is all speculation, of course
Hi James D99 - Thanks for your interest in this thread. I came across you reply by accident as I'm not notified of replies anymore. Yes, indeed my research has moved on quite a lot since my original query in 2009. Yes, Francis was eliminated as the father many years ago now. Though interesting I wonder who is the father of your John Donnelly who married Catherine Lagan in NY? Most of those from the general area when moving abroad seemed to head to Philly.
CD
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Hello - I don’t know who the father of my John Donnelly is. We were only able to trace back to the first Donnelly who arrived in the US.
My John Donnelly settled down in NYC and the family stayed there for a few generations