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Hello
This is a first time request from a newcomer for help please in tracing family, in Kingston upon Hull, and completely unknown as to the origins of this family, possibly Ireland?
Albert Lynch, b. 18 ? , lived at 210 Pickering Rd, W. Hull, m. Ann Lynch, (second wife). Please, who was Albert's first wife? Ann Lynch, his second wife, was a daughter of one of his uncles, his Uncle Edward being one of 20 children (of whom only about half survived?).
Of the 20 children, I know names of Edward (father of Ann?), Maria, Peter, Charles, Sydney, Ethel, Albert, Hilda. Searching for names of rest of children, plus all their dates of birth please?
Edward Lynch and family (daughter Ann) may have been from Newport, Yorkshire? ???
Albert Lynch and his first wife (name unknown) had Verona, Eileen, 1918, Albert b.1920, Audrey, Frederick, Daniel b.1928. Please can someone help with birthdates? ???
Has someone perhaps researched this family before? ??? Any info much appreciated...
Cheers
Danchasyn
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Hi,
Have you looked for your lot in freebmd and the census?
The 1881 census is online free and searchable at the familyserach site of the LDS- this may enable you to nail down whole households of them.
Perhaps some more dates might help people to help: eg when did Albert live at 210 Pickering St Hull ?
Let us know how you get on and good luck,
charlotte
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Hi CharlotteCH
Thanks for your reply and also didn't know that the 1881 Census is free online, have trawled through what I could see of all the Lynches on the 1901, but without joining, so not many details.
Please what is the LDS?
Albert and wife and family lived at 210 Pickering St definitely during 1928 when son Albert was born, until about only 25 years ago. Don't know before that when they first lived there?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Hello
Have a few more details which might help someone, to help me................
It's possible that Albert Lynch's, (b. 3 September, 1920), mother, or possibly his Grandmother, was Emily Bertha Cook. Emily was born in Hull.
And that Frederick William Cook, was a maternal Grandfather? He and his family lived at Edinburgh Street, Hull. Again, don't know the dates, but possibly Frederick William Cook was born anytime +/- 1895, again, in Hull. ???
On Yorkshire free BMD I couldn't find marriages for both Albert Lynches, who both married the same Ann Lynch? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Hello Danchaslyn,
It's difficult to research the family in detail as they are not within searchable records. 1881 census is free to search; to 1901 on subscription sites and 1911 is searchable with a fee.
Free BMD can also be searched - still limited but may help.
Marriage:
December quarter 1915 Albert Lynch and Emily B Cook Sculcoates 9d pg 396
Would that be the first wife?
Back in a short while.
heywood
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http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
has several children born to Lynch/Cook Sculcoates.
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am removing this because it has nothing to do with this - I got the wrong Albert!!
Please see later ::) ::) ::)
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Of the 20 children, I know names of Edward (father of Ann?), Maria, Peter, Charles, Sydney, Ethel, Albert, Hilda. Searching for names of rest of children, plus all their dates of birth please?
Danchasyn
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Not too sure re Albert from Bradford - you may have to discount the previous posts ::)
I was looking for this family above- won't be able to give dates of birth but you could search Free BMD to see if there are matches.
I found a Sidney in Free BMD and have tried to match him to 1901 census- very unhelpful ::)
1901 RG13; Piece: 4477; Folio: 132; Page: 29
52 Eastbourne Street Hull
John H Lynch 43 yrs Dock Labourer b Sheerness Kent
M Lynch 39 yrs b Norwich
with 9 children - all initials only :o all born Kingston upon Hull.
If these are related to Albert- then Sheerness Kent comes into the equation.
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Right!
Found the family with Edward in it - same one as 1901 but some names in 1891
1891 RG12; Piece: 3918; Folio 102; Page 29
Edward C Lynch 8 yrs b Hull (parents John and Maria) with all the children
living in Newington parish, Hull
BUT would you ever believe it - 1911 index indicates Edward C Lynch b 1883 and Edward Charles Lynch b 1884 both living Hull :'( One of these though has an Albert aged 19 yrs - so would be worth your while to get this.
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Free BMD can also be searched - still limited but may help.
Marriage:
December quarter 1915 Albert Lynch and Emily B Cook Sculcoates 9d pg 396
Would that be the first wife?
This marriage also appears on www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk with the additional info that the wedding was held in St John (Newington).
Freebmd has a death entry
Emily B Lynch aged 33 in Q4 1929 in Hull
Bee
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I am puzzled still but think I am getting there.
The first thing to do is that you look at Free BMD and note down the Sculcoates Lynch births.
As I said before, 1901 has only shown John Lynch with full name - all the rest of the family have initials. I do believe that the oldest one is Edward aged 17 yrs in 1901.
Free BMD has a birth for Albert in 1896 and the 1901 has a son aged 5 yrs with the initial 'A' which has been transcribed as 'O'.
This seems great but that Edward would be Albert's brother rather than uncle.
(Unless there is another Edward).
Oh dear!
Second thing you must do is to get the 1911 transcript for Albert aged 15 yrs in 1911.
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what fooled me in the beginning was that I looked Emily Bertha up in Free BMD as born in Hull -that gave 1886. This would then have fitted in with the first Albert I found who was born 1885ish.
However, having had another look, there is also an Emily Bertha Cook born 1896 Sculcoates who I assume is your Emily.
1901 RG13; Piece: 4490; Folio: 77; Page: 8
9 Masons View Hull
Frederick Cook head 31 yrs Rullyman Carm
Mary Elizabeth
Emily
all born Hull
I looked up Rully - a tram so I think that 'Carm' which has been written in a different hand perhaps means 'carman'.
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Hi Hewood,
I'm not trying to confuse things, but have you discounted the Emily B Cook (father Frederick mother Betsy) on the 1901 who is born in Cottingham, which back then the birth would have come under Sculcoates
Bee
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Bee - I think she 's the one!
I was looking at other sites and noticed someone had written that re the Cooks - have you got her in 1901?
When I read that, I thought that as this one was Frederick, Mary Elizabeth may have been called Betsy ???
I am assuming that you have the real one ;) Confused ??? ??? I don't know what you mean ::) ::) ;D
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Many thanks to Bee who is keeping a watchful eye on my ramblings :D
(I'm just doing this and keeping my fingers crossed re Albert, Bee - what do you think?)
1901 RG13; Piece: 4518; Folio: 30; Page: 1.
Kelleythorpe Cabin Elmswell and Little Driffield
Frederick W Cook 32 yrs Signalman NER Co b Hull
Betsy Cook 32 yrs b Hull
Emily B 4 yrs b Cottingham
(hope I read the address right)
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Hi Heywood
I'm absolutely amazed and can't thank you enough, I'm still reading through all the wonderful info you've given me, and have looked up lots of births, deaths and marriages.
I think I have nearly all of the 20 children.........Uncle Albert Lynch, (b.3 Sept 1920) now 89 told me to-day, (he can't remember the full 20 children), that of the 20 children, Sydney married a Harriet (could be Granger/Grainger from the BMD link you gave me), and after Sydney's death, she married one of the brothers, Charlie. Edward according to Uncle Albert is definitely the eldest of these children, and is his uncle.
To complicate matters further, Ann Lynch, (Annie Ethel?) b. 1913 daughter of Edward Lynch, d. 1998-9?, married his father, Albert Lynch, as his second wife, after Emily Bertha Cook (Lynch), his first wife, died. (Think from BMD she died age 33, in 1929 in Hull).
When Albert Lynch Snr died (don't know when), his widow Ann, married her step-son, Uncle Albert. Don't know when and where this marriage took place, in Hull somewhere? ???
Also, of course, Ann Lynch (Annie Ethel) was the daughter of Edward Lynch, therefore Albert Lynch Jnr's cousin. I think........I'm getting to tired to concentrate, so will resume to-morrow. :-\
Thank you so very, very much...........
Goodnight
Danchaslyn
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Hello Bee
Thank you to, very, very much............really, really appreciate what you do. ;D
As I said to Heywood, can't thinks straight any longer :'(
So, until to-morrow
Goodnight
Danchaslyn
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I'm back, just being doing hubby some supper.
Yes Heywood, that's the one I meant :D
Bee
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Oh my!!
Things for you to check:
Edward Charles Lynch married Fanny Granger in 1908 and Free BMD has a couple of children born to Lynch/Granger in 1919 and 1923 - a long time after ???
However there are 4 births for Lynch/Grainger 1913-1917 which begin with Annie E. There is also a Fanny which seems to indicate that it is the same Edward and Fanny.
Somehow from 1911 I thought that this wasn't the Edward who is Albert's older brother.
Edward Charles married to Fanny
Edward C living with mother and siblings
Whether he is on census twice (with a different age too ???) you will have to check.
Free BMD has Edward Charles Lynch b 1883 Hull but no other. ???
1901 only seems to have E C Lynch with John and Maria which brings us full circle.
You write:
I think I have nearly all of the 20 children.........Uncle Albert Lynch, (b.3 Sept 1920) now 89 told me to-day, (he can't remember the full 20 children), that of the 20 children, Sydney married a Harriet (could be Granger/Grainger from the BMD link you gave me), and after Sydney's death, she married one of the brothers, Charlie. Edward according to Uncle Albert is definitely the eldest of these children, and is his uncle.
Sidney marries Harriet McWilliam in September quarter 1915
There is a marriage for Beatrice Lynch (is she one of yours?) to a Fred Granger in December quarter 1915.
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and Freebmd has a death entry for
Edward C Lynch aged 50 in Q1 1934 Sculcoates
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Found on Ancestry
death of Albert Lynch aged 44, in Q4 1940 Hull 9d.339
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well done Bee! So that means that Albert and Ann (if they married) would have married between 1929 and 1940.
Then Ann would have married Albert at a later date and I think he is still around aged 89 yrs.
What a mix up of characters. ;D
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Searched Ancestry from 1929 -1940 and can't find a suitable marriage for Albert Lynch, assuming that he got remarried in the Hull area, plenty of Albert Lynch marriages in other parts of the country.
Bee
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Hello you two,
I have PMd you both as we are now moving into living relatives as the search broadens, it is perhaps better to stop here.
Much of the information has been found so there is quite a lot to collate before you move on Danchaslyn.
good luck
heywood
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Hi Heywood and Bee
Thank you so much for all your very hard work and I'm still trying not only to collate, but also as its so complicated, to follow it all! :o
Had a very good, long, chat with Uncle Albert to-day, and he's particularly requested for any details from his mother, Emily Bertha Cook, b ? ? 1896, Sculcoates, d. age 33, Q4 1929 Hull, cause of death? ???
Also, as to who her mother was? ??? as we have Frederick William Cook of Edinburgh St, Hull, a Railwayman, as her father, and please both their dates of birth?
Where were the Cooks from? ??? I think Bee, you mentioned that someone else somewhere has perhaps searched along these same lines? :)
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Of the 20 children, I know names of Edward (father of Ann?), Maria, Peter, Charles, Sydney, Ethel, Albert, Hilda. Searching for names of rest of children, plus all their dates of birth please?
Danchasyn
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Not too sure re Albert from Bradford - you may have to discount the previous posts ::)
I was looking for this family above- won't be able to give dates of birth but you could search Free BMD to see if there are matches.
I found a Sidney in Free BMD and have tried to match him to 1901 census- very unhelpful ::)
1901 RG13; Piece: 4477; Folio: 132; Page: 29
52 Eastbourne Street Hull
John H Lynch 43 yrs Dock Labourer b Sheerness Kent
M Lynch 39 yrs b Norwich
with 9 children - all initials only :o all born Kingston upon Hull.
If these are related to Albert- then Sheerness Kent comes into the equation.
Hi Heywood and Bee
Uncle Albert thinks this John H Lynch, from Sheerness, Kent, isn't one of the same family of Lynches!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Found on Ancestry
death of Albert Lynch aged 44, in Q4 1940 Hull 9d.339
Hi Bee
Would you please perhaps be able to tell me what the cause of death was for Albert Lynch, d age 44, in Q4 1940 Hull 9d.339? ???
Many thanks
Danchaslyn
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Hello Heywood and Bee and all
Yes, Beatrice Lynch, did marry Fred Granger, or Grainger. :)
Sydney Lynch married Harriet McWilliam. After he died, Harriet married his brother, Charles, a widower, see below.
Charles Lynch's second wife was Harriet Mcwilliam (don't know who his first wife was?) ???
This confirmed by Uncle Albert...
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Found on Ancestry
death of Albert Lynch aged 44, in Q4 1940 Hull 9d.339
Hi Bee
Would you please perhaps be able to tell me what the cause of death was for Albert Lynch, d age 44, in Q4 1940 Hull 9d.339? ???
Many thanks
Danchaslyn
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sorry, the only way to find the cause of death is to buy the death certificate.
Bee
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Hi Bee
Well, that's something else I've learnt then, thank you, that death postings don't give the cause of death, and that one has to order the certificate. :o
Would you get it from the council area in which the person died? or from somewhere else? ???
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Hi Heywood and Bee
Uncle Albert thinks this John H Lynch, from Sheerness, Kent, isn't one of the same family of Lynches!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Hello again,
there is so much to look at - I'll start here. :D
By the way- here is the link to General Records Office http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
where you can order certs online with those references which are in Free BMD or, you can write to the local Registrar and order.
Here's the news for Uncle Albert ;)
1891 RG12; Piece: 3918; Folio 102; Page 29
4 Gillett Street Newington Kingston upon Hull
John Lynch 33 yrs Mariner b Sheerness Kent
Maria 29 yrs b Norwich
Edward 8 yrs
Maria E 4 yrs
Edith H 3 yrs
John W 2 yrs
Olive 10 months
Charles Wade boarder Fisherman b Norwich
children born Hull
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certificates can be ordered from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
just click the 'Order a certificate on line now' and follow the instructions and use the details that I gave, that is
December 1/4
district Hull
ref 9d 339
I think they still cost £7
Bee
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1881 RG11; Piece: 4770; Folio: 100; Page: 3
10 Alexandra Terrace Myton Hul
John Henry Lynch 23 yrs Packer of Stationery b Sheerness Kent
Maria 21 yrs b Norwich St James
1901 RG13; Piece: 4477; Folio: 132; Page: 29
52 Eastbourne Street Hull
John H Lynch 43 yrs Dock Labourer b SHeerness Kent
M Lynch 39 yrs n Norwich
E C son 17 yrs
M E daur 14 yrs
E A daur 13
J W daur 12
B daur 9
S son 6
A son 5
C daur 1
C son 11 months
children all born Kingston upon Hull
Probable marriage
December quarter 1880 Sculcoates John Henry Lynch and Maria Stansfield
Hull Vol 9d pg 405
I can probably search a bit further back if Uncle Albert thinks that this may be hia after all.
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Had a very good, long, chat with Uncle Albert to-day, and he's particularly requested for any details from his mother, Emily Bertha Cook, b ? ? 1896, Sculcoates, d. age 33, Q4 1929 Hull, cause of death? ???
Also, as to who her mother was? ??? as we have Frederick William Cook of Edinburgh St, Hull, a Railwayman, as her father, and please both their dates of birth?
I think that it was me who said that I had seen on another site someone metioning Cooks and Emily Bertha - I think I just googled the name- try it and see what happens!
Am not too certain re her- I have quoted a couple of possibles, discounted one of them after Bee found Emily B born Cottingham - look back in the thread - I have written Frederick as Frederick B- ancestry has him as something else but when I look again it is a squashed 'W' so think that one is right. Will try to change the initial back in the thread :D
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1891 RG12; Piece: 3918; Folio 113; Page 4 (ancestry has him indexed as Frederick H)
1 Malvern Terrace Hull
Frderick W Cook 22 yrs b Hull
Betsy 22 yrs b Hull
Can't see him in 1881
Think this must be him in 1871
RG12; Piece: 3918; Folio 113; Page 4
William J Cook 24 yrs fisherman b Bucks Long Marston
Sarah Elizabeth wife 24 yrs
Frederick Wm son 2 yrs
Sarah Jane 1 yr
Sarah Jane mother married 57 yrs b Herts Bushey
others born Hull
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1881 census RG11/4777 folio 127 page 28
12 Wellesley Terrace, Hessle Road, Hull
COOK
Sarah E/wife (head)/married/34/Hull
Fredrick/son/12/scholar/Hull
Sarah J/dau/11/scholar/Hull
Edward/son/9/scholar/Hull
Esther/dau/7/scholar/Hull
Rachel/dau/3/Hull
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Here is a little more about Lynch of Sheerness
1871 RG10; Piece: 987; Folio: 82; Page: 17
27 Charles Street Sheerness
John Lynch 49 rys labourer b Chatham
Elizabeth Lynch wife 49 yrs b Rochester
John H Lynch son 13 yrs scholar b Sheerness
Edward Maxwell grandson 3 yrs b Sheerness
John is transcribed as John 'A' but it looks like 'H'
1861 RG9; Piece: 531; Folio: 159; Page: 6
46 Edward Street
John and Elizabeth with daughters:
Mary J Lynch 17 yrs dressmaker b Rochester
Elizabeth 10 yrs b Rochester St Margarets
son John H
and a visitor
Sarah Woodcock a widow 60 ys b Deptford.
1851 HO107; Piece: 1610; Folio: 275; Page: 33
Nags Head Lane Rochester
John, Elizabeth and the two girls
John is a boot and shoe maker
Looks to be a marriage in 1843 John Lynch/Elizabeth Watson
(certificate would give father's name)
1841 HO107; Piece 487; Book: 3; Folio: 44; Page: 17
Fair Row Chatham
John Lynch 20 yrs shoe M. born in county
Mary Lynch 50 yrs born Ireland
Bugett (likely Bridget) Lynch 60 yrs born Ireland
(further up the page there is a Patrick Lynch 27 yrs born Jamaica :o with a wife born Barbados :o and young children born Kent (one called Edward) ..I wonder?? but maybe not.
Chatham would be an area for ex sailors/soldiers to reside and perhaps that is the origins of the family.
Lots for Uncle Albert to think about ;D
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Hello
John Lynch, Fair row, Chatham, Boot and Shoemaker........1841
Could John Lynch be a relative of Grandma Lynch's (see her Topic, James Lynch Ferrigan in Ireland, Monaghan)? Shoemakers seem to run in the family?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Hi are you still around,Audrey Lynch 210 pickering rd was my Mam
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It seems Danchaslyn was last on this site 9 Feb 2014 -hopefully he will receive a notification of these posts and reply
Suz
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Hi Alan did your mum remarry do you know? Was she born in Yorkshire on Oct25th 1925? If so I think I may have some information for you. You didn't come back into Rootschat....
Cris
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Have posted some details on Alan's "other" post - re remarriage etc
Suz
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Hi
I am trying to find out about Albert and Ann Lynch my father (Owen lynch) was one of their children
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Hi I am Allan Filbee,I know lots of Uncle Albert and Auntie Annie,I also know your Dad Owen.What do you want to know.
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I am trying to find out, my dad Owen lynch, was born before her 2nd husband (Albert) died but she then had more children which she also named lynch which I don't understand but from what I can gather everyone seems to be called Albert lynch
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Hi I remember your Dad when I was a small kid living in West parade in Hull,there were only me and my brother Tony and our Mam Audrey nee Lynch anyway your Dad came and papered a wall and strange as it is I can still remember the pattern it was a polka dot.I saw him last at my mams funeral,I hadnt seen him for years but I still recognised him.How old is he now.Back to your search,your Dad was the son of Albert Lynch senior who is your great grandad and my Grandad,he was a trawler skipper and lived at 210 Pickering road in Hull.His wife before Annie was Emily Bertha who died very young in child birth.She gave him Verona,Eileen,Albert,Fred,Dan, and my mam Audrey.Annie and Albert had three children your dad,Gwen and John who has died.Theres a lot more that I could tell you but Im unsure what you know and although Verona ,Eileen,Dan and my mam have died Fred and Albert are still alive uncle Fred is a true star and I talk to him all the time he lives in Ipswhich and at 93 years old is still sharp as a knife,uncle Albert as you probably know lives in Market Weighton and is 95 I think.Let me know if you need any more or what you already know,are you in Hull.
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Thank you for this info, I am confused as to what you mean by Albert senior and wouldn't he be my grandad and not my great grandad I'm still confused with it all. If owen(my dad) was the son of Albert and Annie, I thought that Albert died whilst she was pregnant
With her son Albert? Yes we are in hull, my partner is Giles lynch Owens son.
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Also Albert senior is 93, and Owen is 81 so this is where somethings not right but I can't seem to find anything out
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Hi I think your confused with the Albert's you refer to Albert senior been 93 but he is your dad's step brother,same father,but my Mam and her gang was Emily Bertha as their Mam,and Owen when and John were Annie's gang.same father,it gets very confusing I know all the answers but when people are living it gets difficult
There are reasons that you will not be able to figure out the dates but they are there.and make sense when you know.can you not ask Owen to enlighten you.by the way you were correct we have the same grandad I was thinking that you were another generation below me,I am 60 this year how old is Giles.
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Best to communicate via Personal Message then you can talk more openly ;)
Carol
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Hi I have sent you a PM
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Allan for privacy reasons we are not allowed to include email addresses, that's why we have a personal messaging system. To send a personal message...click on the text icon under the poster's avatar and you will be able to use the PM system. It is to avoid spamming etc. Modify your message and remove email address...then save.
Carol
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I see you have now amended your message and removed your email address.
Good luck.
Carol