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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jwilko on Monday 06 April 09 19:29 BST (UK)
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Hello
Does anybody have the parish records for Whitburn, Durham?? I have the ancestry world package and they are not part of the parish collections. IGI lists the people I am interested in but I need a location for the father if one exsists.
I've read that Whitburn records only list the males in the registers but IGI has a name for the mother??
I'm looking for information on William Wilkinson given wife on IGI is Isabella. I'd like to know where William was native of. I know he had a daughter Ann Wilkinson in St Andrews, Newcastle christening 08 Apr 1781. I'd also like to figure out Isabella's surname. There is an Isabella Robinson who married a William Wilkinson at whitburn but the marriage took place after the birth of Ann in Newcastle.
John
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Hello John,
The baptism for Ann on IGI only gives father William, not her mother's name
however in the same batch number there is a baptism for a John Wilkinson,
Born 1 Jul 1789 bapt 20 Sep 1789 St Andrew Par Reg And Nonconf, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland (same place as Ann)
parents William WILKINSON and Isabella
What makes you think William and Isabella married at Whitburn?
IGI has a possible marriage for the above parents
William WILKINSON to Isable THOMPSON
2 Feb 1772 Saint Andrew, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland
You may be able to find more information on the free site looking through the bishops' transcripts:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05mf/
Barbara :)
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Hello Barbara
Thankyou for taking a look.
I have noticed the William Wilkinson and Isabella Thompson marriage before.
I don't know where they were married. I was just pointing out there was a William and Isabella who married in Whitburn. The census proves the relationship between the daughter born Newcastle and her siblings in Whitburn. I don't have the parish registers for St Andrews, Newcastle so I looked through the Bishop transcripts on family search. It wasn't much help because all it has is the date name and daughter of William Wilkinson. It doesn't list her as illegitamate so I assumed the marriage in Witburn would be incorrect. No other details were given apart from William was a Master Mariner.
I will take a look at the entry for John Wilkinson you mention to see if it gives me any more clues. Thankyou. I know the siblings born Whitburn are also part of this family but the Whitburn BT's are not online that I can see? They are not included in the parish records on ancestry either. I posted on thinking somebody might have a CD or book on Whitburn that would maybe provide me with the clues of William's birth place.
Thankyou again. I will take a look at the link you have provided.
John
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Hello Barbara,
Thats the same family search pilot website I have been using for viewing the BT's. It's a great website but it doesn't list Whitburn and the parish records for St Andrews, Newcastle in the BT's are not very informative.
John
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William Wilkinson married Isabella Robinson St. Mary's Whitburn 1st May 1782.
Stan
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There is an Isabella Robinson who married a William Wilkinson at whitburn but the marriage took place after the birth of Ann in Newcastle.
Hi Stan,
I think that will be the marriage John was referring to
Barbara
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Thanks Stan
I was wondering if anybody has laid eyes on the parish records of Whitburn before? I notice there are CD's and books for sale online. Will the parish records of Whitburn give location information of parents?? O.T.P or native of/address?
I'd hate to purchase these books and CD's if they only have the same information as IGI and the BT's online.
John
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durhamrecordsonline has St. Mary's, Whitburn marriages 1813 - 1837 - too late for you I'm afraid.
Durham records office has the parish registers:
http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vallparishes/whitburn+st.+mary
Barbara
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I know I noticed that.
I'm driving through durham and Northumberland in a few weeks. I've been told the records office is closed weekends though??
John
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Hi John,
The link I gave you gives the Record Office visitor information, but here are the opening hours:
Monday 8.45 a.m. - 4.45 p.m.
Tuesday 8.45 a.m. - 4.45 p.m.
Wednesday 8.45 a.m. - 8.00 p.m.
Thursday 8.45 a.m. - 4.45 p.m.
Friday closed
The Record Office is closed on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and all public
holidays.
Appointments: Visitors must make an appointment to consult documents or microfilms
They also have a research service - minimum charge £25 :o
Barbara :)
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Will the parish records of Whitburn give location information of parents?? O.T.P or native of/address?
You can see examples of all Church Records at http://www.rootschat.com/links/0619/
Stan
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I have a photocopy of a parish register page from Durham records office showing the marriage of 'william wilkinson bachelor of this parish and isabella robinson of this parish being both of full age were married in this church (by licence) this first day of May 1782 by me ?? Pye rector. this marriage was solemnized between us William Wilkinson and Isabella Robinson (now Wilkinson) Mark X in the presence of us Joseph Lee, Mary Lee.
entry no 157
I'm on the trail of the father of a son named Thomas Wilkinson (who I have a marriage cert for).
Is this of use to you? This is my first post so hope it works!
Regards
Polly
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Hi Polly and welcome to rootschat.
It worked! You could start a new post on this board for your Thomas. (Assuming he was from Durham) Give us all the information on the marriage certificate and we will see what we can do.
Andrea
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Angela, thank you. Re THOMAS WILKINSON - I have copy of marrriage entry from Christ Church (via Local Studies North Tyneside) showing marriage by licence of Thomas Wilkinson (my g.g.g. grandfather)of the Parish of Whitburn to Elizabeth Brewis of this parish (ie Christ Church) 07 02 1819. I also have a photocopy of Whitburn church register showing 5th Nov 1784 baptism of Thomas born 9 August, son of William Wilkinson which seems to tie in. Also a photocopy of a marriage at Whitburn on 01 05 1782 between William Wilkinson and Isabella Robinson, which looks promising but I don't know how to verify that he is in fact my Thomas's father. Would be grateful for any guidance. Live in the south so can't visit location in person
Regards
Polly
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Hello Polly (and others)
I came across this post via Google.
I am researching a family line for a friend and, like you Polly, I have arrived at the marriage of Thomas Wilkinson and Elizabeth Brewis at Christ Church, North Shields on 7 Feb. 1810 [You gave 1819 in your post]. The line I am following is from their 2nd daughter, Isabella Wilkinson born in 1812.
It would be nice to get back another generation for my friend and I wondered if you had finally confirmed that it is the correct Thomas Wilkinson (of Whitburn parish) who was born in 1784 and he was the son of William Wilkinson and Isabella Robinson who married in 1782 as quoted in your posting.
Thank you.
Malcolm
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Malcolm, apologies for typo, it certainly was 1810. I have hit a brick wall now with my search and cannot confirm any further back than I already have. I have purchased a disk of Whitburn parish records 1579-1812 and had a look for your Isabella who you said was b.1812 but the only one recorded as being baptised in 1812 was the daughter of a John Kirkton, shoemaker (but she was born in 1811) so is not your girl. I have to say I am getting totally confused, as each generation in my family seemed to have just kept recycling the same Christian names. If I get any further info though, will post it.
Kind regards
Polly
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Thank you, Polly.
Isabella Wilkinson (b.1812) was born to Thomas Wilkinson & Elizabeth Brewis in North Shields and I had found her baptism record on the Tynemouth parish records.
What I was really asking is whether you are satisfied in your reasearch that the marriage of William Wilkinson & Isabella Robinson in 1782 and the Thomas born in Whitburn in 1784 were the direct line to the Thomas Wilkinson who married in North Shields in 1810. It certainly seems so to me, and I don't suppose any other proof is available to you, but I thought I would ask. :)
Regards
Malcolm
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Malcolm
I have 3 scans from the Durham records office showing:
1) the marriage of Thomas Wilkinson of the Parish of Whitburn and Eliz Brewis of this parish (Christ Church) married by licence on 07 02 1810. Names of officials and witnesses are unintelligable.
2) scan of baptism in 1784 at Whitburn parish church showing Nov 5th, Thomas, son of William Wilkinson born 9th August (no mother mentioned).
3) scan of marriage at Whitburn parish church of William Wilkinson of this parish, bachelor, and Isabella Robinson of this parish, spinster, being both of full age, married by licence 01 05 1782. Rector Benjamin Pye, witnesses Joseph and Mary Lee. Isabella signed with a X, William signed his name.
That's all the concrete evidence I have I'm afraid. Frustrating isn't it. I can try and send you copies if you'd like them.
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Hello Polly.
Thank you very much for that detailed infomation, and sorry for the delay in responding.
I have passed the info to my friend (100 miles away) and she is thrilled to have another generation back. She is not too bothered to have copies of the original entires, but thank you very much for making the offer. Her Isabella (1812) must have been a sister to your ancient ancestor - a child of Thomas Wilkinson & Elizabeth Brewis.
The 'brick wall' you mention may collapse suddenly :) - I have experienced that more than once in my own family research - and so have many others if you read threads on this site. After all, I would not have got your information if I had not come across your posting on here. So, I wish you success in your research and thanks once again for your input.
Malcolm
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Malcolm, you are welcome. Yes, your Isabella was the elder sister to my g.g.grandfather, William. I had a look at my chart and it appears that they kept the name of Isabella going for some time down the years. A daughter of my great grandfather, b. 1883 (one of 10)! was also named for her g.g.grandmother. Quite nice really to keep the names in the family. Something we don't seem to do nowadays. Had I been interested in genealogy when I had my children I would have followed suit - too late now. Regards. P
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Sorry for the delay in reply but I never had an email to say this post had been added too.
Yes we appear to have a tree match please contact me via the message service on this website or find me on ancestry with a tree named lotsofbranches :-D
Ok here goes
Thomas Wilkinson born 1784 married Elisabeth Brewis as mentioned previously if you goto the eldest born child in the durham bishop transcripts it states that father William Wilkinson was native of Whitburn so yes it is a definate that he was from Whitburn.
Second to this they named a son a rather strange name Mentor Wilkinson, this is poorly transcribed most of the time but the name was Mentor and in Whitburn there is also a Mentor Wilkinson born who was a master in the royal navy.
Father william wilkinson died age 65 in 1802 named as a widower and a gent.
Isabella wife of william died in 1798 named as widower of william wilkinson gent. age 39
Evidence from the census proves that a daughter was born prior to the marriage of william and isabella robinson in whitburn named ann born newcastle upon tyne. Both William and Isabella died in Whitburn.
William wilkinson and Isabella had the following children I know of.
Ann Wilkinson born 1781 Newcastle upon tyne Never married and owned a ship
William Wilkinson Nov 5 1782 Whitburn, ended up in newgate gaol on debt charges see london gazette online was a mariner
Thomas Wilkinson aug 9 1784 Whitburn married Elisabeth Brewis
Isabella Wilkinson Dec 1 1787 Whitburn never married owned a ship
Mentor Wilkinson oct 9 1789 Whitburn Master in the royal navy and younger brethren for holy trinity married Mary Pearson from memory
Sophia Wilkinson Dec 1 1790 Whitburn died hartlepool never married owned a ship
Maria Wilkinson (Mary) apr 23 1794 Whitburn cant recall what became of her possibly died young
Amelia Wilkinson feb 18 1796 Whitburn married Thomas Brunton Esq solicitor and town clerk of sunderland.
Hope this helpswith your research I ruled out the birth of Isabella Thompson in Newcastle because she died age 39 in 1798 and a marriage in 1772 would not make sense.
There is a marriage in stannington northumberland between a william wilkinson and isabella robinson also which happens before the birth of the first daughter ann Wilkinson in Newcastle. The marriage in whitburn between william and isabella happens after the nbirth of ann and shortly before son williams birth. The william in stannington records from family search says he was born about 1836 which would fit in with the death date and age given they also have isabella robinson as fitting the age of 39 but they have a death year for william of 1820. All of the other information appears to fit well though, however I have not looked into things deaper to see what information is available or if the persons details on family search are worthy of being correct.
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sorry that first part about william being native of whitburn i meant to type thomas being native of whitburn. Both parents are named so its a match.
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and william wilkinson of stannington should have read 1736 off to bed now I am tired. However it is possible that the records are not available online and I hear that Whitburn parish records only list males full names unless its a marriage so I feel this is the end of the road as far as confirmed records go. I did wonder since he's listed as a gent and some children owned ships who never married if a will would exsist but I am unable to locate one on national archives? Maybe this is a search which needs to be done at durham records office? In the year 1802 if anybody can help with this please get in touch he died july 26 1802 burial july 29 1802
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elizabeth wilkinson nee brewis died in 1843
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Thank you for all this Malcolm. I must admit this endeavour has taken a back seat lately as I'd come to a halt on this line, but I will certainly look further into the info you have given me. Many thanks indeed, most appreciated.
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Hi Polly.
The infomation is not from me - it is from John (JWilko) who started this thread. He has very kindly passed his research on. :)
Malcolm
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My apologies - thank you John for the info, most appreciated. :)
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no problem polly if you want to find out more about the william wilkinson you are stuck on contact the blessed trinity. He was also a member and a master mariner/captain and all members logged a birth certificate. Hope that helps
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Not a birth certificate but they filled in forms regarding where they lived and parents etc so i am told
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Also you will find the local archives have some maps of Whitburn that were drawn up from that period and some properties sold belonging to Captain Wilkinson by his executors after his death. I think you will find out this is william due to being a bretheren at the blessed trinity (trinity house, newcastle upon tyne). They have family history on william and his sons and family and durham university library also have a will catalogue setup online that states williams will was one of the ones sent to utah for family search to index the images on the beta website. They have not put the images up so far but you can obtain a copy from durham university library and also get information on Williams membership with trinity house. Good luck with your searches. I hope this informations helps
John
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here is a link to the catalogue of north east wills given to the family search website
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/
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This is the details of the map mentioned previously. You can find it on the national archives website
"A Plan of the late Sir W[illiam] Williamson Baronet's Estate Situated in the Parishes of Whitburn and Monkwearmouth Surveyed in 1810 and 1811 by Thomas Bulmer". DX882/3 1811
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Historical houses of whitburn
WHITBURN HOUSE built for william wilkinson in the 18th century. later became the home of richard spoor, the mayor of sunderland, in 1834
This is not to be confused with Whitburn House the mansion house on the bank.
You can purchase a book called "memories of whitburn in words and pictures, by sybil Reeder for info on whitburn and it's history
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Hello I have only just joined this site and the post you made was back in 2009 20 July... so just hoping you are still actively researching. Post 8 Durham lookup deals with the Wilkinson family of Whitburn. My wife decends from William Wilkinson d 1802 Whitburn and we have been lucky to trace a full tree back to him and his father Thomas elder. You say in your post that you have some scans of the register. We would love to be able to add these to our records. Hope you will reply.
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the quest for the missing scans. Hope this person responds, but I suspect that the only way you will see these scans is a trip to Durham or an offer from somebody in Durham to look them up next time that they are in the records office. when I went to Durham records office the lindisfarne gospels were on show so the family history centre was relocated to a new building. When I requested to access bishopwearmouth parish records for the years not shared with family search for BT's they told me that the only records that they have to view are the same as the ones already shared on the Internet. When I asked to see Whitburn St Mary they said the same thing and that I'd have to refer to a book of transcripts for the parish and no original scans are available. I wonder how the person on this forum managed to get copies???
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Hello John yes I wonder too and hoping that we manage to contact WILK47. We may be lucky. Also wonder if any info was gained re Master Mariner registration. Thanks.
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Wilk47 has not been on Rootschat since Dec 2011. You could try sending a personal message via the letter icon under their user name but if the email address has changed then that will not work. Many years ago it was possible to look at original registers at Durham. If they were filmed you could get a printed copy. Maybe they were there pre-internet days?
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Thanks for the advice.
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Hello I have only just found this site - I am currently researching William Wilkinson of Whitburn as I have been told by a cousin that he is my 4th x great grandfather - I live close to Whitburn and have been to visit his grave and look at the house he had built (Whitburn House) - do you have any information you are able to share - my grandfathers name was Menter Wilkinson but we died when my father Norman Stoker Wilkinson was a child so he knew very little about his father
Any help on any of this would be great - hope you are still researching
many Thanks
Joan
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Hi and welcome,
If you reply to this then it should activate our personal message system and you can contact posters privately by clicking on the letter icon under the user name. If they have not been online for some time that is often a better way.
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Hi thanks for your reply My Grandfather was Menter (note the spelling of the name with an 'e' rather than an 'o'. he was born "around 1900" according to the record I have seen - I have him in a census aged 11 living at Ann Street which I believe is or was in Hendon Sunderland.
Menter married Jane Stephenson in June 1927 and they had 3 children: Joan I'm named after her),
Raymond and my father Norman. All three children were given the middle name of Stoker and I have been told by a cousin that this was because somewhere in the family tree - possibly Menter's mother was called Sarah Stoker.
Menter sadly died at age 44 leaving Jane (who we all knew as Nanna Jenny) to bring up her 3 children alone. she did remarry some years later.
I think the connection to this line of descent came because of the unusual Christian name of Menter and also the connection with the middle name of Stoker.
I am exploring lots of options but according to my cousin we are in some way connected to the original William Wilkinson and I have now just seen that his father was called Thomas to I'm pleased to have been able to go back even further. It was very interesting to visit Whitburn Parish church and actually see Williams grave and also see the house that he had built for him - he was clearly a wealthy man of some importance in the local area.
I also found a document relating to marriages at Whitburn Church and there are two listings for William Wilkinson - he married Sarah Wilson on 8th September 1760 but then there is a wedding listed between William Wilkinson and Isabella Robinson on 1st May 1782. I wonder if this would explain children out of wedlock or perhaps two separated lines of children.
I am very new to all of this and sadly as my grandfather died when my father and his siblings were quite young I have very limited knowledge of his family history
Any help will be great
Thanks in anticipation.
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Sybil Reader wrote a book on Whitburn, there is a section in there on William Wilkinson and the house. It's called Olde House now, A wealthy businessman built a house on the bank opposite and took the name of Whitburn House.
As for any further assistance with the tree, I haven't got a clue. Took a look, realised that there were endless possibilities and no census and gave up.
If you find anything of interest I would like to know myself.
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Hi thanks for your reply My Grandfather was Menter (note the spelling of the name with an 'e' rather than an 'o'. he was born "around 1900" according to the record I have seen - I have him in a census aged 11 living at Ann Street which I believe is or was in Hendon Sunderland.
You can see Ann Street on this 1919 map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/440291/556602/12/101064 You may have to change the zoom level with the - in the top left corner. If you zoom right out you will get the modern street map.
Stan
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The birth of Menter Wilkinson was registered in Sunderland September Qtr 1899 and his mother's maiden name is given as Stolker, probably a mistake for Stoker. I can see no marriage registered to a Menter Wilkinson and a Sarah Stoker.
Stan
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Try looking at the 1939 register for Menter and Jenny. It is on findmypast.
Freebmd.org.uk shows the name "Mentor" Wilkinson going back many years.
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Hi thanks for your reply My Grandfather was Menter (note the spelling of the name with an 'e' rather than an 'o'. he was born "around 1900" according to the record I have seen - I have him in a census aged 11 living at Ann Street which I believe is or was in Hendon Sunderland.
Menter married Jane Stephenson in June 1927 and they had 3 children: Joan I'm named after her),
Raymond and my father Norman. All three children were given the middle name of Stoker and I have been told by a cousin that this was because somewhere in the family tree - possibly Menter's mother was called Sarah Stoker.
Menter sadly died at age 44 leaving Jane (who we all knew as Nanna Jenny) to bring up her 3 children alone. she did remarry some years later.
I think the connection to this line of descent came because of the unusual Christian name of Menter and also the connection with the middle name of Stoker.
I am exploring lots of options but according to my cousin we are in some way connected to the original William Wilkinson and I have now just seen that his father was called Thomas to I'm pleased to have been able to go back even further. It was very interesting to visit Whitburn Parish church and actually see Williams grave and also see the house that he had built for him - he was clearly a wealthy man of some importance in the local area.
I also found a document relating to marriages at Whitburn Church and there are two listings for William Wilkinson - he married Sarah Wilson on 8th September 1760 but then there is a wedding listed between William Wilkinson and Isabella Robinson on 1st May 1782. I wonder if this would explain children out of wedlock or perhaps two separated lines of children.
I am very new to all of this and sadly as my grandfather died when my father and his siblings were quite young I have very limited knowledge of his family history
Any help will be great
Thanks in anticipation.
Hello he’s down as a bachelor when he married Isabella Robinson and she’s a spinster. He has connections with Newcastle Upon Tyne, Whitburn and Monkwearmouth. I’m sure there should be a parish record for the children of a wealthy man, whether you can access it is another matter.
Good luck
John