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Title: Andrews tartan
Post by: julie333 on Friday 17 April 09 23:55 BST (UK)
I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I would find information on the Andrews name.  I have searched a number of sites and have come up with a variety of clans for the Andrews.  I am interested in what my tartan and the crest would be.
I would greatly appreciate any help, I'm finding it very confusing.
Thanks
Julie 
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: sancti on Saturday 18 April 09 00:13 BST (UK)
Many tartans today are commercially produced with no real history. Have a read at this link

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/tartan/history.htm

Clan Andrew ????/

http://www.tartanclancrest.com/andrew-crest-framed.html
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: julie333 on Saturday 18 April 09 13:23 BST (UK)
Thanks for your help! The link you gave me was very helpful.  If the Andrews didn't have their own clan, would they be part of another larger clan.  I have found reference to them being associated with several clans, so I'm not sure where they fit in.  My Andrews family came to scotland in the 1840's, so I'm wondering if the Andrews is an Irish name.
Thanks again for your help, this is such a wonderful site with so many helpful people.
Julie
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: sancti on Saturday 18 April 09 19:08 BST (UK)
If the came to Scotland in the 1840's, do you have them on the 1851 census? That would tell you where they were born.
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: julie333 on Saturday 18 April 09 22:27 BST (UK)
Hi Sancti   I do have the 1851 census and have them both born in Ireland, I also have James Andrews death cert. but the parent's names are blank. So I have had no luck getting any further back with him. I have been checking the clans and have found nothing on where the name originated from or what clan it is associated with.
Thanks Julie
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: nanato5 on Wednesday 22 April 09 08:13 BST (UK)
hello julie ,if you go on ancestral scotland ,go on clan search and type in andrews surname,it will give you info on what clan the name is connected to ,had a look and its connected to  ROSS,there is a clan badge and the tartan as well ,eva
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: Stephen J F Plowman on Wednesday 22 April 09 08:19 BST (UK)
There is now an official register of tartans at;

http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/index.aspx

This combines the records held by the Scottish Tartan Authority and the Scottish Tartan World Register.
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: sancti on Wednesday 22 April 09 09:09 BST (UK)
Thanks for your help! The link you gave me was very helpful.  If the Andrews didn't have their own clan, would they be part of another larger clan.  I have found reference to them being associated with several clans, so I'm not sure where they fit in.  My Andrews family came to scotland in the 1840's, so I'm wondering if the Andrews is an Irish name.
Thanks again for your help, this is such a wonderful site with so many helpful people.
Julie


Julie, your family may have oricinally came from Scotland and moved to Ireland during the Plantation of Ulster
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: Andrews73 on Thursday 08 February 18 22:26 GMT (UK)
Andrews falls under the Ross clan and wears their tartan. We show up in Scotland quite a lot, but there is an Irish Andrews coat of arms as well. I've also heard, more than once, that Andrews--in that particular form and spelling--is more Welsh than anything else.
-James C. Andrews
Silverdale, Washington
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 09 February 18 09:32 GMT (UK)
Sorry to see Brigadoonery being propagated on RootsChat.

The surname Andrews is a patronymic, from the given name Andrew, which is popular in Scotland because it is the name of our patron saint. Other variants include Anderson.

However the given name occurs all over Europe, and consequently versions of the patronymic surname also occur all over Europe including England, Wales and Ireland, Greece, Russia and Scandinavia in particular.

It is undoubtedly true that there were families surnamed Andrews who came under Clan Ross, but to suggest that all people with the surname were connected to Clan Ross is misleading, as you have discovered.

If you can trace your ancestry by properly documented means to Clan Ross or any other of the clans, that is great. But you must not assume that your particular line has to be associated with any clan. The idea that every Scot must belong to a clan is quite erroneous.

The clans were a social feature of the Gaelic-speaking Highlands, not of the Lowlands where the majority of the population lived, though since Sir Walter Scott romanticised the Highlands and revived interest in clans and tartans in the early 19th century many Lowland and Border families have reinvented themselves as clans. Many a Lowlander in late mediaeval and early modern times would have been shocked and horrified at the suggestion that (s)he was connected to any clan.

As for tartan, there is no tartan police, and there are very few tartan setts (designs) that can be authenticated back much before the early 19th century. You could wear Anderson tartan, or you could be guided by the 'official register', or just find a tartan you like and get on with enjoying wearing it.


Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: buckhyne on Friday 09 February 18 11:03 GMT (UK)

...As for tartan, there is no tartan police, and there are very few tartan setts (designs) that can be authenticated back much before the early 19th century. You could wear Anderson tartan, or you could be guided by the 'official register', or just find a tartan you like and get on with enjoying wearing it.
Just before my lassies wedding in the year 2000 I went to hire a kilt in the Black Watch tartan as my Dad had been in the regiment during WWII (and there was no Lawrie tartan).
I was told that tartan was reserved solely for the Black Watch.
I had to settle for a Modern Baird tartan as it was similar but with a thin red check.
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: sancti on Friday 09 February 18 13:24 GMT (UK)
http://www.kilts-4-u.com/kilts/traditional-styles/the-black-watch/
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: Skoosh on Friday 09 February 18 13:32 GMT (UK)
Theresa May has a Black Watch outfit so how's that for a fashion endorsement! ;D

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: sancti on Friday 09 February 18 13:36 GMT (UK)
Theresa May has a Black Watch outfit so how's that for a fashion endorsement! ;D

Skoosh.

I hope it's a hard exit every time she takes it off
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: buckhyne on Friday 09 February 18 14:35 GMT (UK)

...As for tartan, there is no tartan police, and there are very few tartan setts (designs) that can be authenticated back much before the early 19th century. You could wear Anderson tartan, or you could be guided by the 'official register', or just find a tartan you like and get on with enjoying wearing it.
Just before my lassies wedding in the year 2000 I went to hire a kilt in the Black Watch tartan as my Dad had been in the regiment during WWII (and there was no Lawrie tartan).
I was told that tartan was reserved solely for the Black Watch.
I had to settle for a Modern Baird tartan as it was similar but with a thin red check.

http://www.kilts-4-u.com/kilts/traditional-styles/the-black-watch/
Theresa May has a Black Watch outfit so how's that for a fashion endorsement! ;D

Skoosh.

I hope it's a hard exit every time she takes it off
Looks like I was telt a porkie  :D
Title: Re: Andrews tartan
Post by: Forfarian on Friday 09 February 18 17:01 GMT (UK)
Just before my lassies wedding in the year 2000 I went to hire a kilt in the Black Watch tartan as my Dad had been in the regiment during WWII (and there was no Lawrie tartan).
I was told that tartan was reserved solely for the Black Watch.
I think someone was having you on. Or maybe they themselves had been had.