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Title: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Sunday 20 February 05 15:43 GMT (UK)
Hi, I have the following surnames in my family tree and would love to hear from anyone 
with a connection or information on any of them

Mitchell - Grange/ Glass/ Mortlach
Archibald - Glass
Dey - Glass
Burgess - Glass
Proctor - Dufftown
McWilliam -  Dufftown/ Keith
Burgess - Mortlach
Morrison/Morison - Marnoch
Grant - Mortlach
Castles - Keith
Young - Keith
Allan - Rathven

Thanks for looking :)
Elaine


Sorry, this was meant to be for the Banffshire Board
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 14 March 05 00:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Elaine

Your names match mine. (Are you Elaine Smith?) E-mail me off-list at threeleftfeet@btinternet.com
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: widgetc on Thursday 05 May 05 03:59 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine:
I have a connection to the McWilliams in Keith Banffshire. Please email me at widgetc2000@hotmail.com

Bob
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: grammatj8 on Tuesday 27 March 07 00:29 BST (UK)
I have a Charles Mitchell who married a Clementine Not sure last name They are buried in Pitglassie Mortlach Scotland. Charles died 1919 and Clementine died 1928
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 27 March 07 10:47 BST (UK)
I have a Charles Mitchell who married a Clementine Not sure last name

Her maiden surname was also Mitchell. See this earlier thread: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,219238.0.html

Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: grammatj8 on Tuesday 27 March 07 12:54 BST (UK)
Thank you Forfarian, yes I have that.  I was replying to Mitchell's thread asking if anyone had family names in the Mortlach area.  Charles and Clementine died in Mortlach.  But thanks again.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Tuesday 27 March 07 21:03 BST (UK)
Hi grammatj8,

I'd read your post about Charles and Clementina but haven't come across your names I'm afraid. My Mitchell's originated in Forgue/ Drumlade in the 1790's, moved to Glass then to Mortlach by 1872 where John Mitchell was born, son of William Mitchell and Anne Archibald. His older siblings were born in Glass.
I'll keep your names in mind though when I'm searching  :)

Have you looked at the Moray Archive site? http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
If you do a people search, there is a result for Charles...not much info but might be worth asking for the newspaper clip.

Elaine


Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: grammatj8 on Tuesday 27 March 07 21:32 BST (UK)
Thanks for the website.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Filidh46 on Sunday 01 April 07 03:56 BST (UK)
Hi,

I too am looking for Morrison / Reidford in the Grange area of Banff. Also any Ogg connections.

Thanks
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Sunday 01 April 07 09:50 BST (UK)
Hi Filidh46,

Welcome to Rootschat.
I'm afraid that I haven't come across any Morrison's from Grange yet...mine were from Gamrie and Marnoch... There is an interesting thread on Murisons/Morrisons here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,19866.0.html

I have 2 Ogg's, Margaret, illegitimate daughter of Anne Archibald born 1852 in Glass. She had a son, John who according to the 1871 census was born about 1870 in Mortlach.


Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Filidh46 on Sunday 01 April 07 12:28 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine,

Thanks for your response. I was hoping for a break through with my Morrisons. I have one very elusive one. My 4 GGparent was a James Morrison married to a Hellen Reidford. One of their daughters, Agnes Morrison gave birth to an illigitimate child who was named Isabella Ogg / Morrison. I do have Isabella's birth certificate and have checked on the Census, but do you think I can find Agnes anywhere? I know from the IGI that James had several children , the eldest being an Ann born 1828. I have wondered if she is the elusive Agnes.

My James Morrison was born in Grange around 1798 and his father was John Morison (notice the different spelling) - John was married to Anna Longmoor.

I am also searching for any information on the TAYLOR Family from Speyside (Bellie) - my line. The family lived at Blackdam along with the Williamsons also lived at Redhall Cottages near Fochabers. Would be delighted if anyone could help me with some of the these connections.

Appreciate the help.

Regards,

Dubhglas
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 01 April 07 18:17 BST (UK)
Dubhglas - Have a look at this thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,222493.0.html
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: thechippy on Saturday 14 July 07 14:43 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine, thats also a picture of my grannie, an she lived in a castle !!!!!.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Saturday 14 July 07 22:27 BST (UK)

Hi Elaine, thats also a picture of my grannie, an she lived in a castle !!!!!.

Blimey Chippy  :o

I remember a few daft folk who used to say that their/my granny lived in a castle ;D ;D ;D You've got to be a Brummy cousin but which one?

PM me and I'll give you my email address  8)

Elaine

Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 15 July 07 18:35 BST (UK)
Chippy, if Elaine's granny Mabel is your granny, then you and I are also cousins.

PM me too please!

Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: joette on Wednesday 01 August 07 18:15 BST (UK)
I have Dey/Fraser in Mortlach.Helen Dey c 1770 married Peter fraser 1790 in Mortlach.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Wednesday 01 August 07 20:16 BST (UK)
Hi Joette,

The Deys that I have are...

Anne Dey born about 1791. Her death certificate has her parents as Hugh Dey and Elizabeth Burgess but I haven't been able to find their marriage. The 1851 Census has her as aged 58 and born Mortlach, I've been unable to find her birth entry.

The other Dey that I have is Isabel Dey who married Robert Green on 11 Nov 1760 in Mortlach, I don't know anything else about her yet.

I haven't come across your Dey's but it might just be that they are connected somehow. Any notes that I might have made are unfortunately packed away at the moment...I'm decorating...but I'll have a look when I can  :)

Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: kojak on Wednesday 01 August 07 20:50 BST (UK)
Sorry for intruding, but I was intrigued by the title of this thread...

Is there anyone out there who knows if the Davoch of Grange cemetery (which is located not far out with Keith on the Road to Banff) falls under the auspices of Morayshire or Banffshire/Aberdeenshire?

I am interested in finding out about transcriptions for that cemetery... The NorthEast Family Historical Society doe not appear to have any info on it.

If anyone can help, I'd be grateful.

Jak :-)

Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Wednesday 01 August 07 22:17 BST (UK)
Hi Jak,

I was a bit new here when I posted this thread and it was supposed to be for the Banff board  ;D though a lot of the names do turn up in Moray as well  :)

Anyway, you asked about Grange...it is in Banffshire see http://www.abdnet.co.uk/genuki/BAN/Grange/index.html  If you search in the 'Names,Geographical' link, you will find Davoch of Grange.

There is also the Libindx site to search in http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
In the 'Cemetery' link you will find Grange and hopefully you will find what you are looking for  :) If you find anything then you can order copies through the online shop link...it's not very expensive  :)

Elaine

Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Wednesday 01 August 07 22:33 BST (UK)
Hi Jak,

Forgot to say that although it won't give a transcripton of graves at Libindx, if you email the wonderfully helpful people there, then they might have the inscription and for small fee will send you a copy...they've done this several times for me. Just follow the 'Advice/Help' link.

Elaine  :)
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: kojak on Wednesday 01 August 07 22:42 BST (UK)
Thanks Elaine.

I shall give it a whirl...

Jak  ;D
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: joette on Thursday 02 August 07 11:14 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine there is a further complication with my Helen Dey.On the same OPR marriage register there is another Helen Dey again" of this parish" marrying the week or month before them.Cousins?I too spied Ann Dey & wondered if they were related-thought maybe a niece. They didn't seem to make it until the 1841 Census never mind 1855 so I am bit stumped as to her parentage as like for your Deys no birth details.Peter Fraser's are there in 1770 so I am wondering if she came from elsewhere perhaps where records have not survived.
 
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Thursday 02 August 07 17:04 BST (UK)
Hi Joette,

I've had a look in Libindx and there is info of Helen Dey and Peter Fraser...

Helen Dey born circa 1765 married to Peter Fraser, died 20 Sep 1822 age 57 in Dufftown.
Peter Fraser died 25 April 1847 age 77.
Both buried M(o) Stone 104 (this is Mortlach Old Cemetery)

For £1 + postage you'll be able to get a copy of the inscription from the online shop at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp

Find the info that you need first in the 'people search' then, just click on the online shop link on the left, choose online shop, choose the link on the left 'Moray Heritage Centre' and scroll down to 'Request Archived Copies'


Your two Helens could well be cousins...there seems to be quite a few Deys in that area at that time. For her parentage, have you tried using the naming pattern on each couple's children to see if that makes a difference? It's useful as a guide only as not everyone stuck to it but sometimes it helps  :)

Elaine


Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: joette on Thursday 02 August 07 17:41 BST (UK)
Thanks for that! How inconsiderate of them not to wait until 1855.Or if he had died first might have traced a birthplace for her! He is on 1841 Census.
I am sure they didn't move around much so am pretty sure she was born in Mortlach or surrounding area.
The naming pattern-they didn't stick to it.Eldest daughter is Christian which is Peter's Mother's name & only son James could I suppose be her Father's .Peter's Father is Alexander.He was christened in Gamrie.
I think he may have remarried too as he has a 12 year old Isabel living with him on the 1841 Census.|There's a submission on the IGI which names the parents as Peter Fraser & Ann.He did have a daughter Ann so I suppose it could be her daughter his Grandchild. I've just found this extra info which I didn't know I had! My redecorating hasn't even started!
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Saturday 04 August 07 00:21 BST (UK)
Anne Dey had 5 daughters so the naming pattern doesn't really work there either.

Anne Dey was from my dad's side and Isobel Dey was from my mum's and I'm convinced that one day I'm going to join both sides up but they're not making it easy  :)

Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Alan b on Saturday 04 October 08 10:59 BST (UK)
Morrison/Morison - Marnoch

Hi Elaine

I have the surname Morison in my tree, they are from Marnoch and were from 1770 and earlier. Do you think we might have a connection ?
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Doddie on Saturday 04 October 08 13:01 BST (UK)
This may be totally irrelevant to your inquiry but I have a Grant family connection in Banffshire  though do not have a precise locality, unfortunately. My g.g.g. grandmother was Elspet Grant born c. 1815. She married Alexander Stewart from Cullen in 1830 and they had seven children together: Elspeth (1833), Alexander (1835), John, my g.g. grandfather (1836), George (1838), James (1841), Daniel (1843) & William (1845). For a while the family lived /worked at Cullen House. Elspet died some time between birth of the last child and 1850. In that year Alexander married for a second time. Frustratingly, I have almost no info. about Elspet besides her marriage details etc. - I can find no birth /death records.  As I say, this Grant may have nothing to do with your inquiry but thought I would just let you know just on the off-chance that there is a connection.

Doddie
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Saturday 04 October 08 15:57 BST (UK)
Hi Alan,

As far as I can tell, my Morrisons didn't move to Marnoch from Gamrie until sometime between 1855 and 1859  This is what I have :-

Alexander MORRISON b1811 Gamrie to Alexander MORISON (farmer)and Jane MILNE. Siblings were - Jane 1808, John 1809, James 1813 and Robert 1814. All born Gamrie.

Alexander (b1811) married Elizabeth JOSS (b circa 1815 Aberdeen) in 1840 at Old Machar, Aberdeen. They had 9 children -
Jean b circa 1842 Old Machar, Jane  b circa 1843 Old Machar, John b 1844 Gamrie, James b circa 1847 Gamrie, Robert b 1848 Gamrie, Isabella b 1850 Gamrie , Mary b 1855 Gamrie, William b 1859 Marnoch and Elizabeth b 1862 Marnoch.
The 1851 Census has the family living in Macduff. The 1861, 71 and 81 Census has them at Brokenfolds, Marnoch. Alexander's occupation - Master Mason.

I don't know much about Alexander MORISON and Jane MILNE other than they married in Gamrie & Macduff in 1807 and Jane (according to Census) was born in Turriff. It's quite possible that they had connections to Marnoch prior to Alexander and Elizabeth moving there but unfortunately, I haven't found anything yet to prove that.

Elaine  :)
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Sunday 05 October 08 00:18 BST (UK)
Hi Doodie,
It's always worth mentioning your names just in case  :) Unfortunately, I haven't come across your Grants in my family. Mine came from Speyside and later Mortlach and I've been very lucky to have found a book which traces them back as far as Culloden.

I had a similar experience to yours with my 3x Great grandmother Margaret GAULD who married William GRANT in Mortlach in 1819, I couldn't find Margaret's birth or death anywhere. I searched for her in LIBINDX http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp and discovered that she had died in 1837 and that William had remarried. The entry also told me where she was buried and when she died.

Have you found out where and when Alexander died? The gravestone might well mention Elspeth.

Elaine  :)
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: briancowings on Sunday 05 October 08 12:48 BST (UK)
Hi all

Looking for any descendants of Alexander Gauld born about 1798 Mortlach Banffshire.

Brian
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Doddie on Sunday 05 October 08 15:26 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine, thank you for getting in touch. I had a funny feeling my Grant connection would prove fruitless. I have checked out  LIBINDX. In 2006 I actually took a trip to Elgin and visited the premises. Managed to find out quite a bit of useful info. Unfortunately no record of Elspet Grant (apart from the marriage to Alexander). Found a record of her husband Alexander's burial. His plot is in Cullen cemetery but, alas, no headstone.
This has proved to be the case quite often during my research. Unless an unexpected source comes up with  some new details Elspet's roots will remain a mystery.

Doddie
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Tuesday 07 October 08 21:41 BST (UK)
Hi Brian,

I am still no further on with Margaret Gauld. I think that she was born in Mortlach circa 1800 but cannot find her birth/baptism.  The marriage entry for William Grant and Margaret says that they were parishioners of Mortlach but that doesn't mean that she was definitely born there. I suspect she may remain a mystery like Doddie's Elspet .

Elaine 
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: ellenbrora on Wednesday 08 October 08 08:09 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine

You mentioned:  "The other Dey that I have is Isabel Dey who married Robert Green on 11 Nov 1760 in Mortlach, I don't know anything else about her yet"

Robert Green and Isobel Dey are my 5 x great grandparents.

I believe (but no sound proof as yet) that Isobel was born/christened 07 apr 1731 @ Botriphnie, the eldest child of 5 recorded born to Alexander Dey and Janet Bennet.

Robert Green and Isobel Dey had 7 recorded children including my 4 x great grandad John Green 1773- after 1851, who married Janet McConnachie.

My line comes down through their son, William Green 1813-1887, married to Jane Shand.

Their son Alexander Green 1858-1929 married Ann Stewart.

My great grandad was their son, John William Green, 1888 - 1949, married to Margaret Fiddes Boyd.

If anyone recognises any of these names, please get in touch.

Kind Regards

Ellen
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Wednesday 08 October 08 08:53 BST (UK)
Hi Ellen,

We've "met" before...in GR  ;D Nice to hear from you again.

Robert Green and Isobel Dey are my 5 x great grandparents too. I haven't looked at this part of my family for a while now but the name Janet Bennet looks familiar, I probably have it in my notes of possibilities somewhere but like you had no proof.

My line comes from their daughter Margaret Green (1761) who married James Burgess.

Their son Alexander Burgess (1794-1879) married Anne Stuart.

Their son Adam Burgess (1838-1924) married Margaret Margetts.

My tree should still be available to you in GR ...let me know if it isn't.

Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: AussieHutsonGrant on Sunday 26 July 09 05:59 BST (UK)
Hi Doodie,
It's always worth mentioning your names just in case  :) Unfortunately, I haven't come across your Grants in my family. Mine came from Speyside and later Mortlach and I've been very lucky to have found a book which traces them back as far as Culloden.

I had a similar experience to yours with my 3x Great grandmother Margaret GAULD who married William GRANT in Mortlach in 1819, I couldn't find Margaret's birth or death anywhere. I searched for her in LIBINDX http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp and discovered that she had died in 1837 and that William had remarried. The entry also told me where she was buried and when she died.

Have you found out where and when Alexander died? The gravestone might well mention Elspeth.

Elaine  :)
Hi there, I am a newbie, having joined today.  I am Linda Hutson of Western Australia, researching Hutsons of Edinburgh and Grants of Mortlach and Clarks of Aberdeenshire.  My present concern is the Grants of Mortlach.  This is what I have: My G Grandmother Ann (Annie Grant) married John Clark 18 01 1883 Church of Mortlach.  Her parents:  Alexander Grant, crofter and Barbara Grant nee Dawson.  I cannot seem to find Alexander's birth date or go back any further than he.  Any connection?  Any hints?  All assistance greatly appreciated.  Cheers, Linda
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: AussieHutsonGrant on Sunday 26 July 09 06:00 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine, thank you for getting in touch. I had a funny feeling my Grant connection would prove fruitless. I have checked out  LIBINDX. In 2006 I actually took a trip to Elgin and visited the premises. Managed to find out quite a bit of useful info. Unfortunately no record of Elspet Grant (apart from the marriage to Alexander). Found a record of her husband Alexander's burial. His plot is in Cullen cemetery but, alas, no headstone.
This has proved to be the case quite often during my research. Unless an unexpected source comes up with  some new details Elspet's roots will remain a mystery.

Doddie
Hi there, I am a newbie, having joined today.  I am Linda Hutson of Western Australia, researching Hutsons of Edinburgh and Grants of Mortlach and Clarks of Aberdeenshire.  My present concern is the Grants of Mortlach.  This is what I have: My G Grandmother Ann (Annie Grant) married John Clark 18 01 1883 Church of Mortlach.  Her parents:  Alexander Grant, crofter and Barbara Grant nee Dawson.  I cannot seem to find Alexander's birth date or go back any further than he.  Any connection?  Any hints?  All assistance greatly appreciated.  Cheers, Linda  I DO HAVE THIS: 1851 CENSUS
Alexander Grant was 12 years old, scholar, and living with his mother Elspit Grant, 35, agricultural labourer’s wife, and his sister Barbara 9 yo.
They lived at 16 Boghead, Parish of Banff.
Listed as all born in Banffshire, Banff.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: AussieHutsonGrant on Sunday 26 July 09 06:03 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine

You mentioned:  "The other Dey that I have is Isabel Dey who married Robert Green on 11 Nov 1760 in Mortlach, I don't know anything else about her yet"

Robert Green and Isobel Dey are my 5 x great grandparents.

I believe (but no sound proof as yet) that Isobel was born/christened 07 apr 1731 @ Botriphnie, the eldest child of 5 recorded born to Alexander Dey and Janet Bennet.

Robert Green and Isobel Dey had 7 recorded children including my 4 x great grandad John Green 1773- after 1851, who married Janet McConnachie.

My line comes down through their son, William Green 1813-1887, married to Jane Shand.

Their son Alexander Green 1858-1929 married Ann Stewart.

My great grandad was their son, John William Green, 1888 - 1949, married to Margaret Fiddes Boyd.

If anyone recognises any of these names, please get in touch.

Kind Regards

Ellen
Hi there, I am a newbie, having joined today.  I am Linda Hutson of Western Australia, researching Hutsons of Edinburgh and Grants of Mortlach and Clarks of Aberdeenshire.  My present concern is the Grants of Mortlach.  This is what I have: My G Grandmother Ann (Annie Grant) married John Clark 18 01 1883 Church of Mortlach.  Her parents:  Alexander Grant, crofter and Barbara Grant nee Dawson.  I cannot seem to find Alexander's birth date or go back any further than he.  Any connection?  Any hints?  All assistance greatly appreciated.  Cheers, Linda 
1851 CENSUS
Alexander Grant was 12 years old, scholar, and living with his mother Elspit Grant, 35, agricultural labourer’s wife, and his sister Barbara 9 yo.
They lived at 16 Boghead, Parish of Banff.
Listed as all born in Banffshire, Banff.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: flst on Sunday 26 July 09 15:24 BST (UK)
If you click on the link below you will find details of Alexander Grant's grave. He  died 16th October 1918.You will be able to find his parent's names on his death certificate, obtainable from scotlandspeople.
Regards,
flst
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: flst on Sunday 26 July 09 15:49 BST (UK)
By "googling" Alexander & Barbara's names I found a few sites where folk have researched this couple. From this information I went on familysearch & found this info on Alexander's birth; 1 Feb 1838,Aberlour,Banffshire.Parents Donald Grant & Margaret Anderson. I recommend that you check out this information. If you request a copy of Alexander Grant & Barbara Dawson's marriage certificate (married 25 May 1861, Cabrach) it should confirm these details. (As will their death certificates) Hopefully their parents will still be living & you can trace back further generations using this method.
flst
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Sunday 26 July 09 17:43 BST (UK)
Hello Linda and welcome to Rootschat. I haven't come across your Grants in my research as far as I can tell but will keep them in mind.

I have Isabel b1820, Margaret b1822, Alexander b1825 all born in Mortlach to William Grant and Margaret Gauld. William and Margaret married in Mortlach 28 Jan 1819. William was born in Inveravon in about 1785.

I'm sure that you will be able to follow on from the great info that flst has found for you  :)

Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: sphinxsco on Wednesday 28 September 11 09:57 BST (UK)
hi i have Dey ,Glass,and Grant in my family tree would love to exchange info,thanks Lucie
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Friday 14 October 11 10:22 BST (UK)
Hi Lucie,

Welcome to Rootschat  :)
I'm sorry about the delay in replying...things have been a bit hectic recently and I'm not getting as much time as I'd like for family research.
The Glass in my family refers to the place rather than the surname - I'm a descendant of the Archibald family from Glass. Can you tell me a bit more about your Dey and Grant families?
I can't send you a personal message with my details until you make at least 3 postings so if you can just expand a bit about each family then that should cover it  :)
Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: sphinxsco on Sunday 16 October 11 00:27 BST (UK)
I have Hannah Grant 1858 who married John Dey, James  Glass who 1833 who married Elizabeth Dey,and their children James  1865,Peter 1863,Margaret 1860.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: sphinxsco on Sunday 16 October 11 00:27 BST (UK)
Also have quite a bit on the Dey side,
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: sphinxsco on Sunday 16 October 11 01:03 BST (UK)
James Dey 1700 married Elspet Christie,Their son Alexander Dey  1727 married  Mary Clerk,their son James Dey 1775 married Elizabeth Anderson.Their children James Dey 1795, Christian 1797, Janet Dey1799,Robert Dey 1801, John Dey 1803,  Peter Dey 1803,  Alexander Dey 1805, George Dey 1809, Elizabeth Dey 1814. James 1795 married jane stewart  Christian 1797 married Robert McConachie.  John 1803 married Elspet Donaldson. Peter Dey 1803 married Margaret Walker. Alexander 1805 married Elspet Dow. George 1809 married Christina ?. I have plenty more if this is not enough.Thanks Lucie
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: n4mv3t on Monday 21 November 11 05:38 GMT (UK)
James Dey 1700 married Elspet Christie,Their son Alexander Dey  1727 married  Mary Clerk,their son James Dey 1775 married Elizabeth Anderson.Their children James Dey 1795, Christian 1797, Janet Dey1799,Robert Dey 1801, John Dey 1803,  Peter Dey 1803,  Alexander Dey 1805, George Dey 1809, Elizabeth Dey 1814. James 1795 married jane stewart  Christian 1797 married Robert McConachie.  John 1803 married Elspet Donaldson. Peter Dey 1803 married Margaret Walker. Alexander 1805 married Elspet Dow. George 1809 married Christina ?. I have plenty more if this is not enough.Thanks Lucie

G'day sphinxsco (Lucie) ... James Dey and Elspet Christie are my Gx7 Grandparents and they also had another son, John b1730, and he married Margaret Hay and they had 5 children, Elizabeth, Ann, Helen, Margaret and John b1766 ... John b1766 marries Margaret McCulloch and they had 11 children, John, Margaret, James b1794, Alexander, George, Isabel, Christian (f), William, Lewis, Francis (m) and Jean ... James b1794 marries Maria Stewart (Stuart) and they had 10 children, John, Margaret, James, Mary, Ann, Jane, Janet (Jessie) b1827, William, Lewis and Isabella ... Janet (Jessie) b1827 marries James Russell and they had 11 children, Helen, Isabella, Jessie, James, Maria, John, Lewis, Alexander, Adam, Robert and David ....... thought this might be helpful to some of the researchers ... have more info if needed ... n4mv3t (Australia)
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Kmanders on Saturday 29 March 14 00:26 GMT (UK)
How interesting.  Of the marriage between Robert Green and Isobel Dey (daughter of Alexander and Janet (Bennet)), had 7 children. My lineage follows their son Adam, born 1/16/1775, married Margaret Smith, 6 children, their son Robert married Jannet Sutherland, had 9 children, their son William married Joanna Anastasia McCarthy(born in Ireland), married in Marquette, MI.  7 children.  My grandfather was their son William J. who married Edna Adelia Magnuson in 1912. 
Does anyone have any other information about Isobel Dey?  Her siblings? I see that she was born 4/7/1731, in Botriphnie, Scotland.  Any other interesting facts? Farmers? Miners?
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 29 March 14 09:58 GMT (UK)
Kmanders, I have some information on other descendants of Robert Green and Isobel Dey. Their daughter Margaret (b 1761) married James Burgess in 1790 and founded a large dynasty. I have been researching them off and on for years in the hope of eventually attaching that Burgess dynasty to my own Burgess dynasty (or vice versa).

I think that the James Burgess who married Margaret Green is probably the one born in 1759, illegitimate son of Alexander Burgess and Isobel McInnes. There is, however, conflicting evidence of his death date, and no actual evidence to prove who he is, other than that he had a son Alexander and a daughter Isabella - though not in the traditional order, and of course his mother-in-law was also Isobel/Isabella.

My own line goes back to William Burgess, born 1779, son of Alexander Burgess and Elspet McWilliam who were married in Mortlach in 1778. Whether this is the same Alexander Burgess as the one who fathered James, I do not know.

I am interested to see that you have Isobel Dey's parents as Alexander Dey and Janet Bennet. I am wondering what your evidence is for this, because I have speculated about Isobel's parentage, and more or less discounted that Isobel Dey because Robert Green and Isobel Dey did not name any of their children either Alexander or Janet. However, as the Deys and Greens are not my blood relations, I have not researched them in detail and could easily have missed something.

According to the IGI there is a marriage of Isobel Dey to Alexander Fraser in Keith in 1758. This couple had seven (or maybe eight) children, all born in Botriphnie:
Janet 1758
Alexander 1760
Cathrine 1763
Isabel 1765
Jean 1767
John 1770
Helen 1772
and there is another listing of a child with no forename in 1772 - it would be necessary to look at the originals to work out whether this is a different child, or a twin of Helen's who died too soon to be named, or a mistake by the parish clerk.

Noting that this Isobel Dey named her first daughter Janet, and that she had a son Alexander, it seemed to me likely that this was the Isabel Dey born in Botriphnie in 1731 to Alexander Dey and Janet Bennet.

There is also a marriage of an Isobel Dey in Mortlach in 1756 to James Stuart. This couple had one son, Thomas, born in 1758. This could have been a previous marriage of the Isobel Dey who married Robert Green in 1760, or it could be a different Isobel Dey.

So we have marriages of at least two, and possibly three, different Isobel/Isabel/Isabella Deys and just one record of baptism of an Isabel Dey of the right age. Therefore there is at least one, possibly two, and perhaps even more, baptisms of Isobel Deys missing from the records.

I also looked at the Greens at one time. There was a John Lorimer, son of John Lorimer and Isobel Green, who left money to pay for the schooling of boys related to him in or near Mortlach. Several of the boys who applied for this bursary over the years were descended from James Burgess and Margaret Green. and the records of the applications all state what the applicant's relationship to the Lorimers and/or Greens was. I have the bones of a tree based on these applications, but I am not absolutely sure that it is correct.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: susan42 on Tuesday 01 April 14 20:25 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine
I have Grants from Banff, born in different parishes; Fordyce, Ordiquil, Keith. Don't know if there is a connection but would be interested to find out.

Susan 42
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Monday 07 April 14 20:21 BST (UK)
I think that the James Burgess who married Margaret Green is probably the one born in 1759, illegitimate son of Alexander Burgess and Isobel McInnes. There is, however, conflicting evidence of his death date, and no actual evidence to prove who he is, other than that he had a son Alexander and a daughter Isabella - though not in the traditional order, and of course his mother-in-law was also Isobel/Isabella.

Hi Forfarian and Kmanders,

James Burges and Margaret Green were my 4x Great Grandparents. This is what I have:

James Burges was baptised 22nd Oct 1759 in Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland. The OPR record states that he was the "natural son to Alexander Burges in Hillside & Isobel McInnes in Achnahandock". The sponsor was a James Burges - I can't make out where he was from, it looks like "Jlloreed"?

James is buried in Mortlach Kirkyard (M(O)179)  - from Libindx - but I have no date of death and there is no headstone to get further information from.
He married Margaret Green 20 Jun 1790 in Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland. She was baptised 16th Aug 1761 in Alnaboyle, Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland, daughter of Robert Green and Isabel Dey.
 
Children of James Burges and Margaret Green that I have found records for are:
   James Burges born 06 Mar 1792 in Alnaboyle, Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland
   Alexander Burges was born 30 May 1794 in Alnaboyle, Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland and died 25 Feb 1879 in Corsemaul, Glass, Aberdeenshire.
   Elizabeth Burges was bap 30 Apr 1796 in Alnaboyle, Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland
   Margaret Burges was born 1797 in Alnaboyle, Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland
   Isabella Burges was born 1799 in Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland
   Adam Burges was born 1802 in Alnaboyle, Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland

I'm a descendant of Alexander born 1794 who married Anne Stuart/Stewart.
I haven't been able to prove that Isobel Dey's parents were Alexander Dey and Janet Bennet.

Kmanders, If you would like to see my Burgess line, click on the link on the left - under my avatar- and put in the code Wilkie58.
Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: mitchell on Monday 07 April 14 20:49 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine
I have Grants from Banff, born in different parishes; Fordyce, Ordiquil, Keith. Don't know if there is a connection but would be interested to find out.

Hi Susan42,
I'm afraid I haven't come across any Grants yet in my line from Fordyce, Ordiquil or Keith. My Grants mostly came from Mortlach. Sorry I can't be more of a help.
regards Elaine
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 07 April 14 23:16 BST (UK)
James Burges and Margaret Green were my 4x Great Grandparents. This is what I have:
James Burges was baptised 22nd Oct 1759 in Mortlach, Banffshire, Scotland. The OPR record states that he was the "natural son to Alexander Burges in Hillside & Isobel McInnes in Achnahandock". The sponsor was a James Burges - I can't make out where he was from, it looks like "Jlloreed"?

I have the same information - plus a note to the effect that I still need evidence to prove that the son of Alexander B and Isobel McInnes is in fact the James B who married Margaret Green, and not another James B whose baptism is not in the records.

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I haven't been able to prove that Isobel Dey's parents were Alexander Dey and Janet Bennet.

You will see from my previous posting that that does not surprise me, because I don't believe that Robert Green's wife was the daughter of Alexander Dey and Janet Bennet.
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: susan42 on Wednesday 09 April 14 20:34 BST (UK)
Thanks for your reply, Elaine. It was a long shot!

Susan 42
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: Terry_R on Wednesday 08 February 17 04:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Elaine,

How much information to you have on the family?
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Alexander (b1811) married Elizabeth JOSS (b circa 1815 Aberdeen) in 1840 at Old Machar, Aberdeen. They had 9 children -
Jean b circa 1842 Old Machar, Jane  b circa 1843 Old Machar, John b 1844 Gamrie, James b circa 1847 Gamrie, Robert b 1848 Gamrie, Isabella b 1850 Gamrie , Mary b 1855 Gamrie, William b 1859 Marnoch and Elizabeth b 1862 Marnoch.
The 1851 Census has the family living in Macduff. The 1861, 71 and 81 Census has them at Brokenfolds, Marnoch. Alexander's occupation - Master Mason.

I am researching my great grandmother Jessie Morrison born 1869 in Aberchirder to John Morrison (carpenter) and Jessie Fleming (domestic servant.)

In the 1871 census there is a Jessie Morrison listed as a niece living with Alexander Morrison (Jr) (The 1851 census shows there was also a son named Alexander in the family.) In the 1881 census Jessie is listed as a granddaughter living with Alexander (Sr).

I can't find a Jessie Morrison with the family in 1891 however by 1890 my great grandmother emigrated to Canada.

Do you have any information on the John Morrison in the family?

Thank you    Terry
Title: Re: My Banffshire Surnames
Post by: NessieP on Thursday 06 May 21 02:40 BST (UK)
Hi Elaine,
I know this is years and years after your post - I've only started researching my family history recently.

Alexander Duff Proctor 1846 - 1929, Druggist of Dufftown was my great granduncle, although he only shared one parent with my ancestor. They had the same father Robert Proctor 1812 - 1890. My great grandfather was George Patrick Proctor of Cullen and later Glasgow. Alexander Duff Proctor was born in British Guyana. I have researched his father quite extensively, so let me know if you need any information.

All the best,
Vanessa Proctor