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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: ruthy1 on Sunday 03 May 09 11:41 BST (UK)
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Hi
I wonder if anyone can help. I am researching a William Thompson Dawson who was born in Leverton, Linconshire approx 1771 (and died in 1844 in Boston), and was married to a Mary (I think this may have been a second marriage). His children that I have found so far are Penelope baptized in 1817, and Charles 1812 (who married Theodosia North in 1838 and from this point on I have information) - I think there might be a Catherine and others.
I am keen to discover any information about him / parents / children and any brothers / sisters. I would like to get to the Lincs record office, but live a long way from it and will be unable to go soon, so I thought I would inquire here just on the offchance that anyone had any information.
Many thanks
Ruthy
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Hi Ruthy,
According to the record on the IGI Penelope's parents are William Thompson
Dawson and Penelope.
There are 5 other baptisms listed of children with the same parents:
Robert Horner Dawson 14 July 1813
Catharine Ann Dawson 14 March 1815
Joseph Winter Dawson 28 May 1818
George Dawson 27 July 1819
Eleanor Dawson 30 Dec 1820
All at Great and Little Hale, Lincoln.
Nanny Jan
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Hi nanny Jan,
Many thanks for this, this is really helpful.
The Horner name is interesting because this also appears as a middle name in the next generation so helps with confirmation. I had got Penelope down as the mother, (she might have had a maiden name of Horner or Winter too ) but crossed out - I can't think why I did that, and in the 1841 census a couple of the children Catharine, Penelope, Joseph & Eleanor appear but with a mother Mary - so I assume William married twice.
Do you think there may be earlier children? William was about 68 when he died in 1844. I am interested to know if there is a William G Dawson who was also born in Great Hale around 1806 (and had a daughter called Penelope) and I wonder if he would be linked.
Many thanks again for your help.
Ruthy
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Hi,
Again from the IGI (http://www.familysearch.org).
Children of William George Dawson and Ann:
William Thompson Dawson 2 Mar 1833
Penelope Anne " 11 Oct 1834
Edward Thomas " 17 Aug 1836
Robert Walus " 7 Apr 1838
Richard Henry " 30 Oct 1839
Charles Richardson " 18 June 1841
George Watson " 10 Feb 1843
Catharine Mary " 16 Sep 1844
All christenings at Great and Little Hale, Lincoln.
William George Dawson 20 Sep 1805 at Great & Little Hale, Lincoln.
Parents: Wm Thompson Dawson & Penelope
With same parents at Great & Little Hale, Lincoln:
Edward John 22 Aug 1804
Richard Henry 4 Oct 1806
John Watson 21 Nov 1807
Catharine Ann 16 Mar 1809
Martha Rebecca 4 June 1810
Nanny Jan
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William Thompson DAWSON married Penelope WATSON at Great Hale 1804. (in my Lincs marriage index)
William George DAWSON married Anne Richardson 3 April 1832 at Stixwold.
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The Dawson family in Lincolnshire are part of a gigantic tree of inter-related families covering much of central rural Lincolnshire. A talk about this was given to Doncaster FHS about 4 years ago. I am connected to this tree twice, and in the mid 19th century, the period concerned, my family had lived in Lincolnshire for less than 50 years. In view of this I have many Dawsons in my trees through a second marriage connection, and in particular have a George North who married Elizabeth Dawson (1878-1975) so in view of the tangled web of connections I wonder if these people connect to your Theodosia North though I am aware Dawson is a very common name in Lincolnshire.
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Wow, all of this is absolutely fantastic.!! It's like a jigsaw that has all finally fallen into place!
My partner is Ian Dawson whose Great Grandfather was William Homer (Horner) North Dawson a son of Charles Dawson and Theodosia North. I had been getting in a muddle with a Penelope Ann Dawson who married into the Dunkerly family (Ship owners in Hull). I now know it was the Penelope Anne, daughter of William George, NOT the next generation down Penelope Ann the daughter of Charles & Theodosia.
This is all very fascinating. I am also keen to see how your tree links into Ian's Redroger. His grandfather was Charles who lived in Manchester and married an Elizabeth Orme. Let me know if I can help with any names from our side.
Thank you all once again.
Ruthy
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The earliest Dawson that I have recorded Ruthy is Thomas Dawson (1789-1854), and his wife Ann Cartwright (1782-1824). They had 6 known children, the sons were Cartwright, Lubion and Elon, and the daughters Sarah, Georgina and Harriett. They lived much of the time at Great Steeping, which appears accroding to the map to be less than 5 miles from Leverton. My family gets into the Dawson tree through a second marriage, Susannah Hudson (1823-1905) married Cartwright (1820-1860) with whom she had 10 known children.After his death she married my relative William Luffman with whom she had a further three children at least. If you would like a GEDCOM of this tree please send me an email address through a personal message, and I'll forward it on.
Roger
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Ruthy; Further thoughts William Thompson Dawson was according to the information you have posted approx 18 at the time of Thomas Dawson's birth in 1789, could have been his father. Do you have any evidence? I have a fascinating and amazing story that I will share later on by pm or email.
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Hi Redroger, Interesting info - I will send my email - very curious about the story. Unfortunately I am not yet able to read the Gedcom files - I was just looking into it today to see what I need to do (I need to check that I can get something that works with a Mac)......
I have now established that William Thompson Dawson married in 1804 (posted here earlier in the thread) The first known child seems to be Edward John baptised in Aug 1804. William and his wife went on to have 12 further children that I can see, and none of them were called Thomas. Williams parents were John Dawson and Ann Thompson. John Dawson was baptised in 1742 had had an older brother John (born 1739 & died 1741)who died in infancy, and a sister Mary born in 1777. This is all I have found so far re siblings. It is possible that there were more and (a Thomas....) All the births are in Great Hale and seem fairly well routed there. I should think that there will be a link somewhere although I can't see it yet.
This Dawson net is huge!!
Ruthy
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Hi Ruthy, I have despatched the GEDCOM, you may of course already have it. My knowledge of Macs is virtually nil, but the little I know is that it is possible to emulate a Windows installation in most Mac systems. In case you didn't know this means your Mac would run a Windows installation as a program. The Legacy is quite versatile and will run in most windows systems, so if you didn't have a windows version available and didn't want to spend, I am sure you could get Windows 98 either free or extremely cheaply.
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As soon as you can talk to Linda Hodgkiss at the Lincolnshire Record Office about the Dawson family in Lincolnshire. They are part of a gigantic tree of inter-related families covering much of central rural Lincolnshire. Refer to a talk about this she gave to Doncaster FHS about 4 years ago.
Redroger, Nanny Jan or Geoff E. My Dawsons were in Swineshead, Samuel b. (probably Kirton-in-Holland) 1732 = Esther Leighton in 1812 died 1879 was Tinman, farmer and Sexton at Swineshead. had daughter Esther. = my ancestor William Barlow [of Kirkby La Thorpe] at Swineshead. Do you think they would fit onto the Linda Hodgkiss tree perhaps?
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Very likely Graham, Swineshead in not far at all from the area to the South East of Lincoln where from memory the bulk of the tree was concentrated. My connections were 40 miles away at Great Limber for the Fanthorpes, and at Great Steeping for the Dawsons. I believe that many of these relationships started at the Hiring fairs, which took place in the various market towns, and if nothing else served the useful purpose of mixing up the gene pool. So 40, 50 miles really counts for nothing, if your two ancestors met at a fair at a central location.
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Thank you Redroger. Perhaps I can e-mail Lincoln Record Office to see if they can tell me whether my ancestors feature on the Tree.
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Their email address in case you don't have it is: archive@lincolnshire.gov.uk
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Thank you RedRoger I have e-mailed them just now. Thanks for info.
Graham
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Their email address in case you don't have it is: archive@lincolnshire.gov.uk
That's not what their website says http://microsites.lincolnshire.gov.uk/Archives/
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I posted what it says on the back of my readers ticket!
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Ah well ::)
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At least he's got 2 now! No doubt he'll tell us which one works!
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William Thompson Dawson married Penelope Watson 1804 in Great Hale
Jacky
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A Penelope Dawson was buried at Great Hale 13 Apr 1821 age 38
J
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Jacky, Do you know if your Lilley relatives extended into Cambridgeshire?
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Jacky, Do you know if your Lilley relatives extended into Cambridgeshire?
Not that I know of.
Looking at the Census there seems to be a sprinkling of Lincolnshire Lilley in Cambridgeshire - one from Grantham the others from Crowland.
The family are a nighmare in early years as there are so many speling variations
Regards
Jacky
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Jacky, Know the feeling; if you find Lilley connected to Burton, Stanton, Ayres ,Luffman or Brignell please let me know. Thanks
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Jacky, I have been looking at your website; I have the brother of my paternal grandmother, and therefore my great uncle John Burton b Pinchbeck 1852; I am not aware of any other Christian names, but since his father was Thomas and I am aware of a Percy further back in the history I think he looks a likely candidate as the husband of Annie Skepper. I have bookmarked your site, as I expect I shall be going there a lot.
Roger
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The Dawson family in Lincolnshire are part of a gigantic tree of inter-related families covering much of central rural Lincolnshire. A talk about this was given to Doncaster FHS about 4 years ago. I am connected to this tree twice, and in the mid 19th century, the period concerned, my family had lived in Lincolnshire for less than 50 years.
At Lincolnshire Archives they say they know nothing of a Dawson family tree! Who was or is Lynda Hotchkiss (or Hotchkins) seems not a staff member of Lincs Archives.
Can you help please RedRoger?
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Graham, Linda Hodgkiss worked in the Archives at Lincoln. I understand she has now left. The basis of the talk was a very large intertwined tree in central Lincolnshire in the mid 19th century, Dawson being only one of many surnames involved.
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Thank you I have explained this to Lincoln Archives - they gave me a contact e-mail but alas it does not work. The archives assistant thought it was something she had done herself in private research. It is a shame the person I contacted did not enquire more thoroughly from other member of staff unless they are all new from 4 years ago! [I worked for 12 years in a County Record Office so I know how things can change] though not the records of course.
Will let you know if I strike gold. They wanted a reference for the document of course.
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Graham, It is possible that this work was done in her dinner hour etc. As it was subsequentlly presented at a public lecture I think it unlikely it was a private commission.
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At least he's got 2 now! No doubt he'll tell us which one works!
Lincolnshire_Archive seems to be the link that worked for e-mail folks.
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My husband's tree has Dawsons from Tilbrook in Bedfordshire, one of which is a William Samuel Dawson (b1859) married to Emily Hillson in 1887. The children we have are Herbert Samuel (m Lizzie Clarke) and Maud Emily b 1890. Is there any link to them?
More info is available on those Dawson on http://www.antill.org.uk
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Hi Mareanna, I have checked my Dawson data base, and have no trace of either William Samuel or Herbert Samuel Dawson.A common surname used as a forename by my Dawsons was Cartwright, having 5 instances of the name as either a first or second Christian name. My Dawsons lived in the Mablethorpe and Wainfleet areas of Lincolnshire, but this is not to say that there is no connection, just that I don't have it. Some other researcher might well be able to give you a link; however, as you will be aware Dawson is a common surname, the website of the Office of National Statistics states that there were 45762 Dawsons in England and Wales in 2002, and that it is the 128th most frequent surname in the country. Hope this helps.
Roger
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Thanks for that. It always pays to ask, every now and then we make a big breakthrough.
Slightly off-beat, my mother had Dawson as a middle name, family talk is that it was in recognition of a person with that name helping her father during the first world war (when he was a prisoner of war).
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Can I join the Dawson 'clan'?
Benjamin Dawson born 1854 Kirton, Boston, Lincoln
Son of
William Dawson born 1820 and Martha once lived
Fismore End Boston, Kirton-in-Holland
William aged 20yrs was living at a pub called Black Bull
Boston & Holbeach, working as farm labourer.
Anna X
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Hi Dunholm, and welcome to the club! As you will know there are a lot of Dawson's in Lincolnshire. Whether they are all connected is another matter. Though I originate in Boston, I have never heard of Fismore End, I googled it and found the only ref in Ludlow Shrops.Do you, or any other Roots chatter have any further info on it please?
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I think it's Fishmere End http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=529183&Y=337591&A=Y&Z=120
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Know it well Geoff, Trouble is when I lived in that area 1940-1965 they didn't have street names in that type of area! Never knew it had a name till today.
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Sorry to butt in on this conversation but my Dawson's came from Heighington or Washingborough lincs any one have any connection over there please?Also Rothwell and Caistor Lincs
Sue
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Hi Ruthy1,
I haven't been on Rootschat for sometime so it was quite by accident that I saw your post about William Thompson Dawson. I came across him because he was the father of Charles Dawson husband of Theodosia North. My interest was in the North family but I put together a short family tree of about four generations of Dawson's from John Dawson father of William Thompson. You are welcome to a copy of this if your Mac can handle a Microsoft Word document. I think I could send it via a PM
Best wishes,
Janeada
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Would appreciate a copy too Janeada if at all possible thanks,
Roger
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Hi Janeada,
Thank you for the offer of the tree for This bit of the Dawsons. I would be very interested to have a copy. I will send you a PM with an email address. I think I my Mac should be able to read it.
Many thanks
Ruthy
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Gday,
Im new to the site. I am researching a gggggrandmother who was born in Leverton Lincolnshire around 1797. I only know her by her married name of Frances Blundell (she married a Henry Blundell in London some time before 1828 before being transported to Australia as a convict). I strongly suspect her maiden name was Dawson based on a marriage record to Henry Blundell in London 12 Oct 1816, St Anne Soho. Frances moved to London sometime in the early part of the C19th. All her subsequent records in Australia name Leverton as her birthplace. I am searching for a christening record for a Frances Dawson in Leverton somewhere around 1797 (or someone to confirm the marriage details for 1816?). Does this fit with any of your known Dawson connections??
Regards
Nick
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Hi there,
I don't have any Frances Dawson in my tree. My line came from Great Hale (one lived in Leverton for a while). It was a very popular name in Lincolnshire with some very large families - maybe they all connect far back. You may get some replies from others in this thread - Redroger has a lot of information. Sorry I can't be more helpful. Good luck - hopefully someone will have a few clues.
Ruthy
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My earliest Dawson is Thomas born 1789, I don't know where, but as most of the family lived in and originated from Great Steeping which is not far at all from Leverton , I think it possible that Thomas was Frances' older brother. Will do some more searching, and see what I find.
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Hi Freeas,
By chance I have a copy of the Leverton Parish Registers (micro fiche) which I have borrowed to look for the Robbins family. I have, in the past looked for Dawson as there was a Theodosia North who married Charles Dawson (1838) and some of their children were christened or buried at Leverton. Charles was baptised at Great Hale in 1811.
I don't know of a Frances Dawson but I can have a look for you. It is early morning here. These days I have to take micro fiche to my local library to view them, hopefully I can do that later today. Will be in touch again soon.
Janeada
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Hi Again,
This afternoon I was able to have a look at Leverton Parish Registers. I searched from 1785 to 1812 and only found two Dawson events. First the burial of the infant Elizabeth daughter of Mary Dawson 13th Jan 1797 (I looked for but failed to find a baptism for this child). Second I found the marriage of George DAWSON of Sausthorp [sic] and Elizabeth VOUCHER of this Parish 25th November 1788. They were married by Banns, George was able to sign his name but Elizabeth made her mark. The witnesses were John DAWSON and John BROWN. Judging by the number of marriages John Brown witnessed I would guess he was the parish clerk.
It is possible that Frances Dawson was christened at some other place not too far away and then the family moved to Leverton whilst she was very young. When this happens it can be that the person then believes he/she was born in the place where they were brought up. However you did seem to be somewhat uncertain about Frances’ maiden name so I looked again at the baptisms for the years 1796, 1797 and 1798. There was just one child christened Frances in these three years and she was the daughter of John and Mary WILKINSON on 23rd June 1797. John and Mary christened other children at Leverton I won’t write up the details here but if you eventually find you need to know please ask and I will send them to you.
Janeada
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I only got as far as the IGI, found no Dawson entries in Leverton, but plenty of them in neighbouring parishes and parishes within 4 or 5 miles. Suggest broadeneing the search might help.
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Hello,
I just discovered this forum and my link to the Dawson family is through William Thompson Dawson's son, John Watson Dawson and ends in Canada with my grandmother Ada May Dawson. I can supply a GEDCOM file if anyone is interested.
I was wondering if anyone knows whether WT Dawson had any brothers or sisters as when I first started putting this together I found all sorts of Dawson links into the US before I realized my error. My Dawson line came from Wisbech and not being familiar with Englands, districts it became very confusing. I managed to find a 5x cousin who pointed me in the right direction and I believe my tree is correct however I have learned to leave no stone unturned when finding family.
I do understand the size of the Dawson family and was wondering if anyone had a link to the Cranstoun family. The Cranstoun family came from Antigua however I can't document anything back to england or Scotland from there other than supposition.
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A 37 marker Y chromosome DNA test might help if sufficient males are interested.
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Hi Crans,
The Dawsons were spread very wide in Lincolnshire and it can be tricky to be sure you have the correct ones!
William Thompson Dawson had a brother - Edward baptized 1773 (I have no further info for him) and a sister Mary (Baptized in 1777) she married a Thomas Godley. They were born in Great Hale, Lincolnshire.
William Thompson Dawson had 13 children by his first wife Penelope Watson who died in 1821 (probably through exhaustion!) and he then married Mary Ann Watson. I have a family group sheet that another researcher kindly shared with me that you may be interested to see to see if it matches with your information - it goes to 1873 as is linked to Kngs Lynn. If you send me a private message with an email address I can send to you.
I would be interested to take a look at your GEDCOM file too to add to the family info.
Ruthy
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Thanks for the help and suggestions re my Frances Dawson request. I will explore the possible Wilkinson suggestion and broaden my search to villages neighbouring Leverton. I think the key might be the marriage certificate from London in 1816.
Regards
Nick Freeman (freeas)
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Hello, I'm newly registered to this forum and I have found this thread to be completely fascinating. I am direct descendant of Dawson's from Lincolnshire. I'm from Michigan, USA. My Grandfather Harold Martin Dawson was also born in Michigan, USA. His Father was George Henry "Harry" Dawson, Mother was Mary Lydia Walker, and they were both born in Ontario, Canada. George Henry Dawson's Father was George Cartwright Dawson, who was born in Gt Steeping, and died in Michigan, USA. George Cartwright Dawson's father was Cartwright Dawson also of Lincolnshire. Cartwright's father was Thomas Dawson, who was married to Ann Cartwright. According to one of my relatives here in Michigan, the parents of Thomas were Edward Dawson and Martha Dowse. The picture I posted is of George Cartwright and Sarah Ann Dennis circa 1890.
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Hello James, Firstly we are definitely connected, but it is a little obscure. George Cartwright Dawson's mother was Susannah nee Hudson, bn 1823. She married Cartwright sometime in the early 1840s, their first child, Sarah Ann was born in 1845.Your ancestor was their 5th child b 1851 at Mablethorpe, Lincs according to what I have. Together they had 10 children, before George's death in 1860. She then remarried William Luffman (b 1821 Alford Lincs) older brother of my grandfather, Richard who was born in 1828. William and Susannah had 3 further children together, and i have tracked something of their history into the 20th century. Before we can exchange details (by personal message) see site rules you must send a total of 3 posts. Then you can send me a message and we can exchange email addresses if you wish.There is quite a lot about Susannah Hudson and the earlier connections of Hudson's to the Luffman family already on this site dating back three or four years, which you can readily access by going into Search and inputting Susannah Hudson. It is quite a fascinating story which i am thinking very seriously about writing up from a somewhat different angle. On marriage William Luffman immediately went from Farm labourer to Farmer. This was because in 1860 a widow had no rights to her late husband's property unless she had been already willed it by him.This was rectified in 1885 by the married Women's property Act.
Look forwards to hearing from you.
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I pulled up the 1861 census record for Great Steeping and found Susannah Dawson widowed as the Head of household, 9 Children living with her, her Brother, and 3 servants. Susannah's occupation was Farmer so she must have ran the farm after her husbands passing. I still feel I have much more information to uncover, but it certainly has kept me on the edge of my seat.
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1871 shows her as farmer's wife again, the farm now owned by my kinsman William Luffman. This situation was really iniquitious
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I'm getting ready to do an AncestryDNA test. I'm kind of excited to see if this helps uncover any unknown information or get me in touch with people who possibly have more history to share on these topics. I was astonished to find that both of my paternal and maternal grandfathers (Dawson & Fillingham) were both rooted in Lincolnshire, and ultimately ended up near the same place thousands of miles across the globe here in Michigan. Specifically, because their travels were so much different. However, both were farmers, and perhaps Michigan's farmland supported their crops in a way that was similar to that of Lincolnshire.
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Does anyone in this thread use Ancestry.com by chance?
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Hi there,
My name is Jade. No blood relation to the Dawson name but my husband Andrew Dawson's family spans 9 generations to a Thomas dawson who was born in 1735 in Lincolnshire. We believe he was probably working class living in a very rural part of Lincolnshire, of course. He came to America docking in Easton/Annapolis, Maryland. He was most likely already married to a Mary before he arrived to the states, very early around the age of 18, since his firstborn George was born when he was 18-19. Cool! Right? But I'm thinking, although he was very ambitious to come to the states, much of that ambition seemed to have ended once Thomas came to the US. I'm sure working conditions were very hard. We have yet to find any record of Thomas living in queen Ann Maryland, as a result. he most likely worked very hard, yet most likely had little to no possessions or money. I believe they were most likely fairly poor. It seems the people that had more records were the ones that owned servants, property, land, and had more assets overall to speak of. These people tended to have money that followed them from England to the states. I have a feeling my Andrew's Thomas, most likely came here with barely a penny to his name. You can find us in the Thomas Dawson family tree closed Facebook page. Although, turns out that Thomas is not from Lincolnshire. Still, we are in that group should you have more questions! Thank you
Jade
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Hi,
New to this forum, came across it completely by chance yesterday whilst looking for information on my family. Quite excited by this thread; long story short but I recently moved to the US from UK and my mum happened to mention in passing that we have family here and she believed them to be in Michigan... I am a direct descendant of William Thompson Dawson from Lincolnshire, he was my Great, Great Grandfather (I think). My understanding is that he was my Great Grandmother's (Elizabeth) father and she had William (Bill) who was of course my grandad. Roy is my father and grew up in Leverton, Lincs before the family moved to Wigan, Lancashire when he was about 13 and that's where we've been ever since. Obviously there are more branches than this (I know Elizabeth had siblings, as did grandad and my father) but without going into more detail that is where my tie to William Thompson Dawson come in.
I know this is an old thread but if anyone is still on here and has made any progress or would like to get in touch with me I'd love to get involved and see where we're up to. Of course I'd also like to connect with family as there are only a handful of us Wigan Dawsons left now!
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When was your William born please?