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Can anyone see John Baumgartner and his family living in Huntingdon in the 1861 census? His son, also John (1813) was living in Suffolk, I believe. Can anyone see him and his family?
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Hello Bobtonks :)
1861
RG9 P. 974 Fol 43 Pg. 11
Port Street, Godmanchester, Hunts
BAUMGARTNER
John Thos Head M 83 MD Edinburgh, not practising, Landed Gentry B. Notts. Nottingham
Phillipa Wife M 69 B. Cambs. Cambridge
Emma F A Dau Un 32 B. Switzerland, Geveva, British subject
Eliza Grand/dau and visitor 19 B. Middlesex, London
John R Grand/son & visitor 15 B. ~ ~
George A ~ ~ 11 B. Durham Coniscliffe
+ 5 servants
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and the son ;)
1861
RG9. P. 1189 Fol. 74 Pg. 28
Pier Hill, Gorleston, Great Yarmouth
BAUMGARTNER
John Percy Head M 48 Landed Proprietor, Magistrate B. Hunts, Godmanchester
Elisa Wife M 44 B. ~ ~
William P Son 13 B. Kent
Jessie Dau 10 B. ~
Samuel Charles Son 9 B. ~
Mary Dau 6 B. ~
Persis Dau 4 B. Cambridgeshire
Henry Spelman Son 1 B. Norfolk, Yarmouth
+ 2 servants
Not sure about the Persis name :-\
The Magistrate is in fact written next to Elisa's name, not sure whether it really refers to her or John :-\
ADDED : Looked up her birth reg. - Persis is correct ;)
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Thank you both for the information.
Bob
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In 1851 John Thomas Baumgartner lived in Milton Cambs. Can anyone see him or John Percy Baumgartner in the 1841 census?
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Hi Bob
Sorry, I can't see any of the family in 1841 :-\
I looked for the other names - Phillipa etc. but none appear under Baumgartner or obvious similar names.
There are in fact only 4 of that name showing :
Adam, age 50 born Foreign Parts, living Oldham, Lancs
Edward age 25 Living Middle Temple, London. Barrister
George age 18 Living Hampden Hall West Bromwich, Independent means
H.A aged 15 Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge
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Thanks for looking. It is possible that they were overseas in 1841.
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1861 Census as prior posting above. George A. (Algernon) Baumgartner, born Coniscliffe, (Darlington), County Durham. Son of Henry Algernon Baumgartner (Vicar of Coniscliffe) and Frances Octavia Wilkinson. GAB born 2 March 1850 and baptized 31 March 1850, both Coniscliffe. GAB married
Florence Harper, Trincomalee, Ceylon, 16 November 1878.
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Hi,
Does anyone know that one of the Baumgartners in and around 1850 to 1900's changed his name from Baumgartner to Perera while living in Ceylon due to a family dispute. His brother continued as a Baumgatner. This Baumgartner arrived in Ceylon around 1850, married a roman catholic girl known to us as Katherine Rye or Catherine Rice or Ryan from Ireland.
I am a descendant of this Baumgartner Perera paternal line and seeking this Baumgartner Family. Not many Baumgartners families visited Ceylon (probably only one family) so it is possible this John Baumgartner and his children has some link to the story in Ceylon.
thanks
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1891 Census
The Vicarage,
Nettlebed, Oxfordshire
Henry A Baumgaertner, 69, Head, Mar, Vicar of Nettlebed
Frances C Baumgaertner, 64, Wife, Mar
Amy N Baumgaertner, 36, Daug, Unm
Eleolch S Baumgaertner, 35, Daug, Unm (Violet)
Juliet F Baumgaertner, 34, Daug , Unm
Percy A Baumgaertner, 11, Grandson, born London
George S K Baumgaertner, 10, Grandson, born Gaffua, Sri Lanka****
Florence A Baumgaertner, 9, Granddaughter, born Kapatha, Sri Lanka*****
(been indexed as Sri Lanka but image is Ceylon for pob)
Percy was Algernon Percy on Baptism;
Parents;
George Algernon Baumgartner
Florence Baumgartner
Father in Ceylon Civil Service
Birth Reg GRO Index;
BAUMGARTNER, - Mothers mn HARPER****
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 55
Last Census available Percys Father George, born c 1850 Durham, is a Civil service Ceylon*** Pensioner.
Interestingly there is this on Familysearch.Org;
F A Baumgarten
Immigration, 1886
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Male, Age 16 (1870), Occp Gentleman
Birthplace Ceylon**
Ship Name "Dorset"
Place he was heading to was Wyoming
There are also these children born Ceylon;
1901 Census
Bedfordshire
Ethel M Baumgartner Head Female 40 Paddington, London
Bertram W V Baumgartner Son Male 18 Ceylon
Ethel M Baumgartner Head Female 40 Paddington, London
Bertram W V Baumgartner Son Male 18 Ceylon
Harrold V Baumgartner Son Male 17 Nettlebed, Oxfordshire
Eric S V Baumgartner Son Male 13 Ceylon
Una V Baumgartner Daughter Female 8 Bedford, Bedfordshire
Nellie Currington Servant Female 20 Royston, Cambridgeshire Baumgartner Son
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After 1911 Ethel May Baumgaertner and some of her children change their name to Percy,
Death Reg; Julian M Vane-percy 1961
Marriage Reg; Una V Percy 1917
Probate; Ethel May Percy 1949
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Who was your Ancestor who married Katherine Rye or Catherine Rice or Ryan?
Welcome to Rootschat.
I am sure others can help you more than I can and hopefully Bob will anwser you soon :)
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Welcome from me too, Warren :)
Great stuff as always, Trish.
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http://kabristan.org.uk
From Indexes
BAUMGARTNER
(Holy Trinity Church Nuwara Eliya Ceylon Sri Lanka)
Marriage & Reginald John child of George Algernon Baumgartner & Florence
BAWA
Source;
Nuwara Eliya Birth/Baptism Records Ceylon (Sri Lanka)
Have a good luck through the site;
Eg;
Members of St Johns Lodge (Freemason);
BAUMGARTNER G.S.K.
Burials;
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Caroline Margaret *********
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Galabade Aratchigé Janis Samuel Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
George Edmund son of Hendrick Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Hendrick Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
John Wilfred Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Joseph Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Dona Salestina Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Sarah Perera Hamena
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Seelanage …. John Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Sophia [Essenth] Perera
Too much for me at this time of night :)
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Thank you Trish,
It is hard work trying to connect the dots.
My family has it that this particular Baumgartner in Ceylon changed his name to Perera and not Percy. We all carry that Perera name now with the understanding that it was a Baumgartner before. His brother continued to carry the Baumgartner name.
Family story is that Katherine Rye from Ireland probably a Roman Catholic arrived in Ceylon around 1850 and was said to be carrying with her a solid gold cross that is only found in a large church. That cross is now supposedly in Sydney with a family member. Story is that the Baumgartner we seek married this catholic girl in Ceylon. Name was changed due to a family dispute or dispute with church due to intermarriage between religions. We know him as Carlos Perera but he was a Baumgartner. This Carlos Perera may also be Simon Alexander Perera; if we have got the generation mixed up. In Ceylon/Sri Lanka, we are classified as Ceylon Burghers.
Also, is it possinle that some members of the family changed to Percy and and one of them changed to a Perera due to the dispute.
I am wondering if there was two Baumgartner Brothers born around 1825 who visited Ceylon via a British Ship. Further, we also think this Baumgartner may have a French connection.
regards
warren
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Hi Warren,
Sorry I couldnt join that dots for you!
I am in Sydney though so where is that Cross :D
(just a joke !)
All the best,
Trish :)
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Hi Trish,
I was made to understand that the Baumgartner I seek was also one of the first European Editors of the Ceylon English Newspaper may be around 1850. Spoke french at his home in Ceylon and got married around 1850 in Ceylon. Had a child in 1852 and Changed his name to Perera.
Can we see if there is a Carlos Baumgartner or Karl Baumgartner born around 1825 who made it to Ceylon or India. He may have got to Ceylon via India and may have first met his wife in India. Wife was Katherine Rye or Catherine Rye or Rice or Ryan.
He may be of German background as well.
Thanks for all the help.
warren
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Hi Warren,
I'll see what I can find but if I dont get back to you for a while it is because I am going away for 10 days.
Maybe someone else can help in the meantime?
Trish :)
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This reply is not about the Ceylon Baumgartners; it is going back to the original request about John Percy Baumgartner. That was back in 2009, but if anyone is still looking for him, try searching for John Percy Brumhill. I think he went by his wife's name for a while.
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Hi
Further to the info about F.A Baumgarten in previous reply, do we have any info about his father and is there a Carlos Baumgarten possibly showing to be his father.
F A Baumgarten
Immigration, 1886
Event Place New York City, New York, United States
Male, Age 16 (1870), Occp Gentleman
Birthplace Ceylon**
tks
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George Algernon Baumgartner born 2 March 1850, High Coniscliffe, Darlington, County Durham. Married Trincomalee, Ceylon to Florence Harper 16 Nov 1878. Five known children of this couple. Two known to have been born in Ceylon - George Samuel Knight Baumgartner born 1880 Jaffna, sister Florence Alice 23 July 1881, Kegalla.
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George Algernon Baumgartner born 2 March 1850
Mother's maiden name Wilkinson
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Who was your Ancestor who married Katherine Rye or Catherine Rice or Ryan?
Welcome to Rootschat.
I am sure others can help you more than I can and hopefully Bob will anwser you soon :)
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We actually managed to trace and connect with the family of Katherine Rye who now live in the US. She was actually born Maria Catharina Rey; born 28 Aug 1835 Richrath-Reusrath, Rheinland, Preußen, Germany and died in Colombo. She was a German girl who changed her name to Rye in Colombo, Ceylon. She was the spouse of Carlos Perera aka Carlos Baumgartner.
Also, I am hoping someone can help me trace a Martin Baumgartner who married Philipina Ferdinands (Colombo, Sri Lanka) around 1825-1827. As per my many DNA matches it shows that Philipina Ferdinands was actually Philipina Ferdinandus (Sinhalese origin), father Soloman Ferdinands and her grandfather Johannes Ferdinandus of Sri Lanka originally Fernando. Philipina's father along with several of his siblings (with the exception of the eldest son) had the benefit of their name being changed from Ferdinandus to Ferdinands.
I am hoping someone can help me with any information regarding Martin Baumgartner.
Thanks
Warren