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Title: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 27 May 09 22:36 BST (UK)
Hi, Everyone,
Have today been looking for the first time with a cousin of mine at an airmail letter written in 1953 by a Nesta TATCHELL (nee KERSHAW) from Vancouver Island to her aunt in London - our gt-grandmother.  We really don't know when after her 1922 marriage to a William Damon TATCHELL in Dorset that she emigrated to Canada.
So, if anyone is privy to the passenger lists, we would be most grateful for any details about dates regarding these two individuals.  They both seem to appear there, though Nesta is mistranscribed as "Nosta"...
Very best wishes,
keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: kaz on Wednesday 27 May 09 22:45 BST (UK)
Wonder if this is your lady:

Immigration Records (1925-1935)

Surname: Tatchell
Given Name: Nesta
Age: 34
Sex: F
Nationality: Ca
Date of Arrival: 1926/08/20
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship: MINNEDOSA,
Canadian PacificReference: RG76 - IMMIGRATION, series C-1-a
Volume: 1926 volume 14
Page Number: 19
Microfilm reel: T-14725


Source: FINDI76-502634


Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 27 May 09 22:48 BST (UK)
Kaz,
My! That was quick, and I don't suppose that the man she married four years previously, William Damon TATCHELL was in the vicinity...?
Very many thanks,
keith
NB Does "Ca" suggest that she was by then Canadian, perhaps by virtue of her marriage?
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: kaz on Wednesday 27 May 09 22:53 BST (UK)
Keith - didn't see him on the same list but will double check..

I know its not what you are looking for, but did you see their death registrations on the BC Archives?
So William Damon was a Canadian...?
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: kaz on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:01 BST (UK)
Keith,

Couldn't find W.D. on passenger list on  findmypast, nor did he pop up on Canadian list that i found Nesta.
However, i switched sites again  and there is a Nesta and Willian Dawson Tatchell from Swanage on the Ellis island site arriving in 1922 - so perhaps they came over together and then she popped back  for a visit (one of my lot did that as well!).
I would give you extra details but can't remember my login details for Ellis(oops!).

Check it out at:
http://www.ellisisland.org/

Its free to register and view ships logs...

Kaz
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:02 BST (UK)
Kaz,
Sorry, I'm a bit novicey with the Canadian records, can you tell me where I can find their death records, or better still, can you put the details on this thread for me?  Nesta doesn't seem to mention her husband in the 1953 airmail, so possibly he was dead by then.
I simply have no record of her from the 1911 Census, when she was living with her mother Emily in Notting Hill, London, and her 1922 marriage registration.  Trying to fill in a few gaps, and see whether there might be a few living relatives surviving somewhere...
Regards, keith
Posts crossed, will have a look at the Ellis Island site, many thanks for all this!
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: kaz on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:11 BST (UK)
Well i've remembered my details for Ellis if you have problems but its nice to see the REAL pages for yourself (don't forget there are 2 pages as i sometimes do!)

This is the link for vital event records in B.C:
http://www.bcarchives.bc.ca/BC_Our_Collections/BC_Vital_Rrd_Collect.aspx

Vital Event Death Registration

   Name:     William Damon Tatchell

   Event Date:     1979 11 18 (Yr/Mo/Day)
   Age:            89
   Gender:         male
   Event Place:    Duncan
                                   
   Reg. Number:    1979-09-017343
   B.C. Archives Microfilm Number:  B13599
   GSU Microfilm Number: 2051383



And:

   Name:     Nesta Tatchell

   Event Date:     1983 12 30 (Yr/Mo/Day)
   Age:            91
   Gender:         female
   Event Place:    North Cowichan
                                   
   Reg. Number:    1983-09-020358
   B.C. Archives Microfilm Number:  B13635
   GSU Microfilm Number: 2073152


If you are really lucky sks may help you with a lookup and check the microfilm  for more details.....
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: kaz on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:19 BST (UK)
Checked out Ancestry.ca and there seem to be a  ref or two for Nosta/Nesta and a William D so hopefully sks will read this and check it out cos unfortunately i don't have access....

there was also a William D Tatchell in 1916 Census - don't know if its your chap though...again thats on Ancestry...
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:22 BST (UK)
Kaz,
Wow, that's incredible!  Had no idea that they both lived to such an elderly age.  It's when you realise something like this for the first time, that quite close relatives were alive for quite a bit of one's own life - in this case up to 36 years - that one realises it was a pity that one was so ignorant of their continuing presence.
In fact my cousin's sister has lived out in Canada herself for I don't know how many years, oblivious to this branch of her family...
Amazing, must try and see now whether I can discreetly get in touch with any descendants...
This has been a great find, thanks so much,
keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:24 BST (UK)
Kaz,
Crossed posts again - would the 1916 Census have been one taken in Canada...?
keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: kaz on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:32 BST (UK)
Yep - its only a partial though (made up of the provinces  Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta)
- and its on Ancestry.ca

Canada does have other Census(Censi?) online at :
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/index.html

Its free - no need to even register and if you click on the "split screen view" button you get to see the actual pages.....

You may wish to check out this link and see if there is anything that can help:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,299373.0.html

but i am sure that someone will soon be along to add a lot more info than i can :D
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:35 BST (UK)
Kaz,
Thanks again for that.  I do have an ancestry subscription, but not sure what areas it covers.  Time for bed for me now, you've been a wonderful help.  Will continue my discussions with cousin re all this in the morning!
keith
p.p.s. My ancestry subscription does NOT cover the 1916 partial Census of Canada, no...
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Wednesday 27 May 09 23:40 BST (UK)
The William D. Tatchell on the 1916 census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta was in Wilton, Battleford, Saskatchewan. It indicates he was 24, single, born in England, immigrated in 1914 and was a farmer. The only other person in the household was a lodger named Frank B. Plant (I'm not sure of that surname - it's a best guess as it's difficult to read).

This William is the same as the one who married Nesta. The 1922 New York passenger list that Kaz referred to said their destination was Marshall, Saskatchewan. Marshall, Saskatchewan is located in the Rural Municipality of Wilton which matches the census information. Also, passenger list information in my next post would seem to confirm it as well.

Keith, about your question regarding Nesta's nationality on that immigration record, this excerpt from the Library and Archives Canada website probably explains thing best:
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From 1763 until the Canadian Citizenship Act came into force on January 1, 1947, people born in Canada were all British subjects. Since immigrants born in Great Britain and the Commonwealth were already British subjects, they had no need to become naturalized or to obtain British citizenship in Canada.

Jacquie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 28 May 09 00:14 BST (UK)
There is an incoming UK passenger list entry that shows a William D. Tatchell arriving in Southampton on the Melita on 25 Jun 1925. He was 23, a farmer and the address in the UK he was going to was Hedbury, Swanage, Dorset.

He returned to Canada on the Minnedosa arriving in Quebec on 24 Jul 1925. He says he had been in Canada from 1914 to 1925 in Marshall, Saskatchewan. He was returning to his wife in Marshall.

There is also an incoming UK passenger list entry that shows Nesta Tatchell, 34, arriving in London on the Alaunia on 20 May 1926. The address she was going to was High Street, Swanage, Dorset. With Nesta was Mary K. (3) and Henry S. (1) Tatchell.

As Kaz mentioned, they returned to Canada arriving in Quebec on the Minnedosa on 20 Aug 1926. Nesta was 34, born in Tottenham, had been in Canada from 1922 to 1926 in Marshall, Saskatchewan. She was going to join her husband, W.D. Tatchell, General Delivery, Winnipeg. She lists the nearest relative in the country from where she came as Mother: Mrs. Kershaw, Rouge Huis, Guernsey, C.I. With Nesta were Mary Kershaw Tatchell, 3, born in Lloydminster and Henry Spencer Tatchell, 1, also born in Lloydminster. The passenger list doesn't indicate whether it was Lloydminster, Saskatchewan or Alberta.  Lloydminster is literally on the Alberta/Saskatchewan border with parts of the city in each province. 

Another Canadian passenger list entry for William Damon Tatchell aboard the Sicilian which arrived in Saint John, New Brunswick on 29 Mar 1920. He indicates he had been in Canada before from 1914 to 1919 in Marshall, Saskatchewan but his destination was Lloydminster, Alberta.

I'll keep looking for his 1914 passenger list.

Jacquie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 28 May 09 00:29 BST (UK)
I found a border crossing document which indicates Mary Tatchell, 23, born Lloydminster, Saskatchewan crossed into the US at Port Huron, Michigan on 1 Nov 1943. She indicates that her last permanent residence had been the Y.W.C.A. in Sarnia, Ontario. It doesn't indicate whether this was a visit or if she was moving to the US.

There is also a border crossing document for Spencer Henry Tatchell who crossed the border into the US at Metaline Falls, Washington on 23 Mar 1946. He was 21, born in Lloydminster, Saskatchewan and a student. It was a pleasure trip to Spokane, Washington for three days. He was 5'8" with a medium complexion, brown hair and blue eyes. The name and address of his nearest relative in Canada he listed as father: William in Winnipeg.

I found a reference to an obituary in the Salmon Arm Observer regarding the death of Henry Spencer "Spence" Tatchell, 82. The date listed is 2 Feb 2007 but I don't know if that is his date of death or the date of the newspaper. Sorry, I don't know how to get a copy of the obituary.

Jacquie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 28 May 09 00:47 BST (UK)
WAY COOL!!!!! I just found a reference that Henry Spencer "Spence" Tatchell played hockey professionally. He played one game for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League but spent most of his career in the minor leagues.

He was also on the Winnipeg Ranger hockey team that won the Memorial Cup in 1942-1943 (that's a big deal in hockey). That team was inducted in the Manitoba Sports Hall of Fame in 2002 (http://www.halloffame.mb.ca/honoured/2002/1942-43Rangers.htm). There's a team photo but it says he wasn't present when it was taken.

Here's a link to the entry for Spence Tatchell at the Legends of Hockey website (part of the Hockey Hall of Fame website):
http://www.legendsofhockey.net:8080/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=14523
and to a website called Hockey Reference:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/t/tatchsp01.html

Edited to add:
Sorry for getting overly excited here but I found an entry for him with a picture at the New York Rangers website. Here's the link:
http://rangers.nhl.com/team/app?page=HistoricalPlayerDetail&pkey=8449225&service=page

Jacquie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Thursday 28 May 09 10:08 BST (UK)
Jacquie,
You're an absolute star!  While I have been in the world of dreams you have been unearthing a mine of information about this branch of my family.  In that 1953 airmail, Nesta talks about her son Spencer, and four of her grandchildren (his children, I think).  Also about her daughter Mary, who doesn't seem to have married.  She doesn't, however, mention her husband William at all, and I was wondering with their deaths given in different places - hers in 1983 in North Cowichan, and his in 1979 in Duncan - whether they stayed together.  Are those places near one another in B.C?
What an amazing piecing together of a family's movements thanks to passenger lists and the crossing of borders....
Very many thanks, keith
N.B Funny how hairstyles have changed, Spence definitely had the tousled-hair look...
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 28 May 09 20:54 BST (UK)
From what I can tell at Google Maps, North Cowichan and Duncan are less than 5 km apart. I'm not sure what the boundaries are for their respective registration areas though.

I'm glad I could help. After seeing that obituary reference where Spence was in quotation marks, I decided to google "Spence Tatchell" on a whim so it was such a surprise to "New York Rangers" in some of the search results. I'm a big hockey fan. The icon under my user name is actually the logo for Hockey Canada.

The timing of this was funny in a way. I was about go watch a National Hockey League playoff game when I found the information about Spence Tatchell. Also, just a few days ago the Windsor Spitfires won the Memorial Cup which was the 91st anniversary of the trophy. Here's a little information about the trophy:
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The Memorial Cup, one of the most prestigious and coveted trophies in North American sport, has a rich tradition that has shaped the way junior hockey is played in North America. The trophy was originally known as the OHA Memorial Cup and was donated by the Ontario Hockey Association in March, 1919, in remembrance of the many soldiers who paid the supreme sacrifice for Canada in The First World War.

I can't seem to find the 1914 passenger list for William Tatchell at Ancestry or Find My Past.

Jacquie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Thursday 28 May 09 21:59 BST (UK)
Hi again, Jacquie,
Have managed meanwhile to look at a larger map, and have spotted those two locations on Vancouver Island being so close together.  I imagine there must be a combined headstone for William and Nesta somewhere nearby.
The other thing I was curious about was where in Canada is the Salmon Arm Observer published - is this still Vancouver Island that we're talking about?
All this has been most exciting, by the way!
keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 28 May 09 22:28 BST (UK)
Salmon Arm is in British Columbia. It's located about 450 km northeast of Vancouver in the Rocky Mountains (more east than north). The places where Spence played hockey are not too far from there as the crow flies. To drive the distance you have to add a lot of kms to your trip because of the mountains.

I've found a number of references to Spence Tatchell and some for Mary Tatchell in the Winnipeg Free Press. Most of the references for Spence are hockey write-ups where his name was mentioned. There are also a couple for his playing baseball and tennis in his high school years. The references to Mary involved high school activities as well as her being named to the All People's United Church building fund committee in 1946. She played tennis too. I think I also found a mention of the birth for a son of Spence.

I also found an article in the Brandon Sun dated 1973 regarding a high school basketball tournament that is held in Winnipeg annually which had a team from Salmon Arm, BC playing in it. One of their players was named Sandra Tatchell according to this article. With Spence's obituary being in a Salmon Arm newspaper it seems quite possible this Sandra is related to him.

If you PM me you email address I can send some of the articles to you.

Jacquie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Thursday 28 May 09 22:34 BST (UK)
Here's a link to the Salmon Arm Observer's website:
http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/salmonarmobserver/
I tried searching their obituary database but it doesn't seem to go back to 2007 as Spence's wasn't listed.

Jacquie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Thursday 28 May 09 22:52 BST (UK)
Great, Jacquie,
I'll PM you now...
keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: cosmac on Thursday 28 May 09 23:44 BST (UK)
If you use Canada 411 and enter Tatchell there is a Spencer Tatchell listed in Kelowna BC (not that far from Salmon Arm) with address and telephone number - perhaps a son for the Spencer Jacquie was researching for you.

Debbie
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Thursday 28 May 09 23:57 BST (UK)
Debbie,
Thanks very much for that, will look into it tomorrow now, as it's getting late...
very best wishes, keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jaminiceric on Wednesday 12 May 10 05:48 BST (UK)
My name is Michael D. Tatchell and I am one of nine grandchildren of William Damon and Nesta Tatchell.  My father is Spencer Tatchell (deceased January 8, 2007) and Dorothy Tatchell (my family is the one with seven children -- Aunt Mary Kershaw Tatchell had two children). 

I discovered your chat tonight for the first time (in fact first time I've even seen the site) and I am in awe of the manner in which you have uncovered information about my grandparents and family -- 99% of it accurate. 

By the way, they did remain married until William passed away in 1979.  They both lived in Cobble Hill and then Duncan B.C. until their death.   Keith, your suggestion that there must be a common headstone is absolutely correct.

Mike.         

Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 12 May 10 18:49 BST (UK)
Hi, Mike, and welcome to Rootschat!
This is most exciting, and if you reply to my own response here I believe that with your two postings on this website we should be able to communicate further by PM (Personal Message) on here.
Remarkably, we are (distantly) related, with common ancestors in Henry Pakeman GURNER (1796-1880) and Mary Ann WHITE (b.1795 in Pembroke, Wales, died 1872 and buried in Ickleton, Cambridgeshire, as  was her husband Henry Pakeman); they are my gt-gt-gt-grandparents  They both lived in London from their marriage in 1821 until the mid-1860's when he retired as a tea dealer and they both came to live in the family home of the GURNER's in Ickleton.  This was in the family ownership from the early 17thC until the 1970's, is still standing, and is in good hands even yet...
Nesta was one of Henry and Mary's gt-grandchildren, through their daughter Mary Ann (b.1830), and one of her sons (I've forgotten which one, at the moment!).  I have a copy of her birth certificate of 1893, and the cousin I spoke about at the start of this thread has many photographs of Nesta's KERSHAW family as she grew up.
If you're interested at all in our common family history, I can let you have all kinds of other details.  Curiously, the cousin in England is as interested as I am in all this genealogy, whereas her sister in Canada (moved there in the 1970's), who lives not far from your family, is much less keen...
Hope to hear from you again soon,
Regards, Keith









Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jaminiceric on Wednesday 12 May 10 19:09 BST (UK)
HI Keith, exciting is an understatement -- I will absolutely follow up with you on the personal message front (from your e-mail I was glad to learn what PM means) and we can exchange details. 

Thank you so much for such a quick response!  I find the information absolutely fascinating and look forward to learning more -- hopefully I can give you some information back as well.  So Henry and Mary are my gt-gt-grandparents.

I note that I made a mistake on my first posting -- I didn't mention that Dorothy Tatchell is my mother and married Spencer in 1947.   I'll have some time tonight to provide much more detail on Nesta so I can respond by PM -- its Pacific Coast time and I'm presently at work.

Till then, many thanks again Keith.

Mike. 
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Wednesday 12 May 10 19:52 BST (UK)
Great!
Shan't disturb you any more at work, and will PM you later with more details and questions.  Will phone my cousin in Gloucester to keep her up to speed with these exciting developments.
Should have mentioned that Mary Ann GURNER's (1830-1903) husband whom she married in the late 1850's was a John Thomas KERSHAW, born in 1835.  His grandfather John KERSHAW (1766-1855), and his gt-grandfather James KERSHAW (1725-1790) were both quite eminent itinerant Methodist Ministers.  Gt-grandfather James travelled with the great man John Wesley for a while, and merits an entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, so you've got quite illustrious ancestors!
Poor John Thomas KERSHAW was run over and killed by a horsedrawn London Omnibus at Highbury Corner in 1870, widowing Mary Ann with 8 young children, the youngest of whom was only a few months old.  But that's another story...
Very best wishes, keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: J.J. on Friday 14 May 10 17:47 BST (UK)
Due to privacy laws. rootschat would like to make sure the forenames of the living are not used on this site, please! ( If any, modify to remove and add initials only)  Thanks! J.J.
Nesta's death info born April 13 1892, London England, parents listed at death were Henry Kershaw & Emily Cooper.
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Friday 14 May 10 18:20 BST (UK)
O.K., J.J,
Jameniceric and I will continue this via PM.
k
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Jacquie in Canada on Saturday 29 May 10 07:25 BST (UK)
As I type this, Jameniceric has only made two posts. To access the PM system a minimum of three posts must be made.
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: Keith Sherwood on Saturday 29 May 10 10:09 BST (UK)
Hi again, Jacquie,
I managed to contact Jameniceric - somehow - and we are exchanging all kinds of exciting family details now..
Many thanks, keith
Title: Re: William Damon TATCHELL and his wife Nesta (" Nosta") on passenger lists
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 29 May 10 18:59 BST (UK)
heehee, yes the details on rootschat say/said there has to be three ( may have been since changed) but in actuality only 2 postings need be made  ::)  ;D  J.J.