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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: Jaybeebuzz on Friday 03 July 09 19:38 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
Does anyone have a copy of "In Memoriam", by Steve Watt as I am looking for info on Pte 808 George Tinson of the 2nd KSLI from the Boer War? He died of enteric 17/4/1900 and this book may have further details on him that I have not been able to find elsewhere.
Many thanks!
Julie
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Hi Julie - He's shown as being in the 4th Battalion. He's buried at President Avenue Cemetery, Bloemfontein. Ths is a big cemetery and most of the men buried there died of disease. There is no individual grave marker but his name is on the cemetery memorial.
Because he died on service his attestation and service papers will not have survived.
Regards,
David
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Thanks for your reply David. Is that all the book says as I was under the impression that it gave more info than that?
He actually started out with the Herefordshire Militia, was then attached to the 2nd KSLI and then I believe became attached to the 4th KSLI through the 4th Mounted Infantry Btn.
I'll have to make enquiries and see if I can get hold of a photo of his name on the memorial.
Thanks for your help!
Julie
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Julie - Some entries have a bit more information (age, religion, gravesone details, etc.) but that's all there is on him.
I've been to this cemetery and took some photos so I'll see if I have one of the memorial panel with his name on.
David
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David, thank you, a photo would be brilliant. Even if you don't have a pic of the wall bearing his name, just a general photo of the memorial would be very welcome. There seems to be so little info or pics online of that cemetery.
Julie
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Hi Julie ... your George is remembered on at least three other memorials !!
St. Mary the Virgin Childswickham -
"To the Glory of God and in loving memory of George James Taylor Colour Sergeant Northumberland Fusiliers who died while on active service in South Africa, April 23 1901 aged 28 years."
"To the Glory of God and in memory of George Tinson 2nd Batt. Shropshire Light Infantry who died while serving in South Africa at Bloemfontein, April 17, 1900."
St. Peter & St. Paul's Church Upton on Severn
"To the Glory of God and in loving memory of George James Taylor Colour Sergeant Northumberland Fusiliers
who died while on active service in South Africa, April 23 1901 aged 28 years.
To the Glory of God and in memory of George Tinson 2nd Batt. Shropshire Light Infantry
who died while serving in South Africa at Bloemfontein, April 17, 1900."
Shrewsbury, King's Shropshire Light Infantry Boer War Memorial
George Tinson 2nd Batt. Shropshire Light Infantry who died while serving in South Africa at Bloemfontein, April 17, 1900
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Liverpool annie
Thank you very much for that information. I knew about the memorials at St Chad's, Shrewsbury for the KSLI (managed to take a pic of that), and had read online about the plaque inside the church at Upton on Severn (his home town), but I didn't know he was on one at Childswickham, and don't quite know why! Wonder what the connection is? Perhaps it's a memorial to the Worcestershire men who died in the Boer War, regardless of regiment?
As George started out in the Herefordshire Militia before being attached to the KSLI he is also apparently on the memorial inside Hereford Cathedral. And on top of that, I have read online that he is on the memorial at St Giles' Church, Bredon's Norton (but again, no idea why!). So that's 5 memorials in this country, plus the one in Bloemfontein, I wonder if that's some kind of record?!! ;D
Thank you for your help.
Julie
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"Because he died on service his attestation and service papers will not have survived".
David, is that because they were deliberately destroyed, the authorities perhaps considering that as the man had died there was no further use for them?
Julie
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"Because he died on service his attestation and service papers will not have survived".
David, is that because they were deliberately destroyed, the authorities perhaps considering that as the man had died there was no further use for them?
Julie
Yes. The files were periodically 'weeded'. The papers of regular soldiers were kept and maintained for pension purposes. If a man died on service the papers no longer served their primary function and were officially destroyed.
The papers for men in the Militia and Imperial Yeomanry, however, usually survive as they didn't qualify for a pension.
David
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Thank you David. There may still be some surviving records for my man then as it looks like he started out with the Herefordshire Militia (Rifle Volunteers).
Thanks for your help.
Julie
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Hi there,
Does anyone have info on Henry Cockburn, Saddler Sergeant Major, 4th Dragoon Guards at Shorncliff, Kent in 1894, his son Henry Robert was Baptised there.
I'm presuming he served in the Boer War. Would there be any mention of him in the book mentioned above 'In Memoriam' by Steve Watt. If anyone can help I would be eternally grateful.
Thanks,
Craig
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Hi there,
Does anyone have info on Henry Cockburn, Saddler Sergeant Major, 4th Dragoon Guards at Shorncliff, Kent in 1894, his son Henry Robert was Baptised there.
I'm presuming he served in the Boer War. Would there be any mention of him in the book mentioned above 'In Memoriam' by Steve Watt. If anyone can help I would be eternally grateful.
Thanks,
Craig
Hi Craig - He's not on the Queen's South Africa Medal roll so didn't take part in the Boer War.
David
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Hi David,
Thanks for that. I'm trying to eliminate all possibilities till I hit gold!!!
On to the next one?!
Many thanks again,
Craig
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Just to tie up the original thread regarding a Boer War Memorial to George Tinson at Childswickham, it turned out to be a typing error on the website. :-[
Julie
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Hi: I've got a couple of guys who fought in the Boer War, and I wonder if there is anything on them, particularly the first one:
Harry Archbell - Private 24968 Cape Colony Cyclist Corps - 10 January 1901 - 16 April 1902. Time expired.
Frederick John Harry Archbell - Trooper 38321 Rimington Guides (Damants Horse). Died 26 March 1902 at Harrismith of enteric.
Frederick, I know, came from London, but Harry is a bit of a mystery.
I obtained my initial information of these two from http://hometown.aol.co.uk/tamsinasplin/
BumbleB
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Frederick is buried in Harrismith town cemetery and his grave is marked with a named metal cross. His religion is shown as CofE.
David
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Thanks for that. I may be coming over to SA some time next year, will be staying in Howick, and it's not too far to Harrismith - I wish I'd known about this last year ???
I take it there's nothing about Harry? He's going to be awkward, isn't he? Just like an Archbell ::)
BumbleB
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Hi ladysmith
I wonder if you can help with:
Private Lomas. J
1st Battalion The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
I have a record that says he was wounded at Kaalfontein in May '01 and subsequently contracted a disease at Mafeking in Jan'02
But have no confirmed death/burial info.
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The casualty roll has him dying of disease in Mafeking in January 1902, as well as the wounding. But it will be interesting to see if Ladysmith can come up with a grave, as the medal roll for the Kings medal has 'Discharged' in the remarks.
Ken
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George Stinson militia record is now available to view on FindMyPast ;)
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I'd forgotten I had started off this thread!!
Thanks gortonboy and well spotted, George Tinson's militia record is indeed on FindMyPast now. I actually stumbled across it by accident. Perhaps others searching for Boer War soldiers on this thread might like to try looking on Find My Past too. It certainly does help fill in the blanks!
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By any chance is Thomas Shepherd (Engr. Clerk Staff Serjt. No. 26010) mentioned? He died on Jan. 2 1903 of a Lung Haemmorage in Simons Town, South Africa.
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I have found 8 records of my grandfather who served in the 2nd Boer War that cover his enlistment into the army in 1888 up until his discharge at home from SA in 1901 on FindMyPast. These records also included where else he served, (India and Egypt) his medals and clasps and his Chelsea Pensioners record of where he died in 1949, cause of death and how much pension he was paid weekly.
I also found another record today, which states that his rank was a *Watchman*. Could somebody explain to me what a Watchman did please? :)
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Watchman usually means 'night watchman' - someone who watches over something while the normal workforce is away.
Ken
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Thanks Ken... I wonder what he was watching? I read that the indigenous black people were made into watchmen to do a little spying in concentration camps to pass on information.
Granddad by the way is the man with the horses in the photo on my avatar. He was a farm worker.
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Hello, I wonder if someone with access to this book would help me out and search for 'C HAWKINS, 3007, 1st Liverpool King's Regiment' Killed at Geluk on 23 Aug 1900. His name was Walter but for some reason on Ancestry it says 'C Hawkins'. I am told that in the In Memoriam book it may be 'W E Hawkins' or 'C Hawkins'. Thanks very much in advance!