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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: fisherj on Sunday 19 July 09 22:14 BST (UK)
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Anyone with any information about Arthur who was a groom at Shinfield Lodge, Reading in 1917. His nickname was "Brish".
His wife was Ruby Green.
I would be interested to know what "brish" comes from ??? - and if you have any information about Arthur and his family. :)
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I see they married in the Wokingham Regn District in 2Q of1906 (Volume 2c, Page 893 )
She was Ruby Maud Green.
In 1901 theres an Arthur Farmer born 1885, Micheldever, Hants in the East Shinfield Parish, a General Farm Labourer working for a Farmer named MacArthur Duff ...
RG13/1155; Folio: 106; Page: 30
Wyverley Farm - Hyde End
Theres 6 Arthur Farmers in the Berks census, 3 are married in 1901 - another candidate is an Arthur actually born in Shinfield, 1871 - he's in Reading St Giles, but I've just noticed he's a Printers Cutter....
The last one is with parents in Wantage - but he's an Arthur T.
If you want the chap traced back to Micheldever, let me know.
The 1911 census might help locate where they actually were 5 years after marriage ....
No idea how you'd find out the source of a nickname tho !
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I can't believe how quickly you replied - thank you so much!
Yes - that's right - I have Arthur and Ruby's son Douglas Charles's birth cert. He was born in **** in Lambert - though I have thought that they were Reading people. He had 2 older brothers.... the oldest being Arthur and the other Cyril.
Douglas married Susie Gallagher in St Giles Church, Reading in ****.
Arthur Henry was a stud groom of Shinfield Lodge, Reading on Douglas's birth cert. I always imagined this was on a big estate where they bred horses - though I don't know! :-\
Maybe Arthur was a family name going back generations especially since Arthur Henry called his first son Arthur too.
If this Arthur b. 1885 Micheldever is a Arthur Henry then yes - it would be great if you could add even more to the scant info I have!!! ;D
Hi - I think I have the right man; in the 1911 census his Year of Birth is 1885 ! Also 2 sons - I didnt copy all the info from the 1911 Index-only search, but one son was a Cyril, and Ruby had her full name specified. So that would deffo be the family - in the Wokingham District (not sure how far towards Reading etc that spanned in those days)
To get full details of his address and occupation you would have to buy credits on the 1911 website.
Theres a Birth Index entry for ARTHUR HENRY in the 4Q of 1884, Winchester District, so that agrees with the PoB of Micheldever that he stated in the 1901 census.
Harder to find in 1891 as the surname was transcribed FARMES by the search engine (clearly Farmer on the handwritten original) ! and his Family were already in the Shinfield area ..... he now says his PoB was Northbrook, and looking at a map, thats actually part of Micheldever.
Heres the 1891 family :-
1891 - RG12/1000; Folio 60; Page 9 - Parish of Shinfield, (Town of Reading ? )
'Three Mile Cross' - next to the Swan Inn
Henry Farmer 44 Head Agricultural Labourer born Hants, possibly Selbourne (badly smudged)
Ann Farmer 28 Wife possibly Selbourne
Arthur Farmer 6 son Hants NorthBrook (Micheldever)
Matillda Farmer 4 dau ditto
Lousia Farmer 2 dau ditto
Thomas Ballard 36 Lodger
Alfred Marshall 25 Lodger
couldnt find an obvious Marriage .... see next post.
If you use a 'search engine' like GOOGLE and look for Shinfield House, theres a reference to the Estate being sold in 1904 - I didnt read the whole article, so dont know what happened to it after that when Arthur would have been around.
Let me know if you want to try and trace his Dad Henry back ?
Kind Regards, PM
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Based on the 1901 census, (and note that Henry & spouse's PoBs are now clear) ...
RG13/1155; Folio: 98; Page: 14 - Shinfield
Ryshe Green
Henry Farmer 52 Head Feeder to Traction Engine born Hants, Hurstbourne*
Sarah A Farmer 39 Wife 'Looking after Children' Hants, Tichbourne
Louisa Farmer 12 dau Shinfield
Daisy B Farmer 7 dau do
Charles Farmer 5 son do
Henry Farmer 2 son do
Thomas Ballard 40 Lodger
* Hmmmm - could be Hurstbourne Priors (Whitchurch District) or Hurstbourne Tarrant (Andover)
I think this must be their Marriage ..
Marriages Dec 1883
FARMER Henry Winchester v2c p183 to SPRANGLE Sarah Ann
Sarah is elusive so far on the census, suspect her surname has been sprangled ;)
Births Jun 1862
SPRANGLE Sarah Ann Alresford v2c p129
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She's not showing as a Sarah / Ann / Sprangle in 1871 or 1881 ...
I'm wondering her dad died and Mum remarried - she's a good fit for a family in 1871, who have Sprangle step kids - headed by John Money - who married a Harriet Sprangle:-
Marriages Mar 1865
Money John Alresford v2c p208 to Sprangle Harriett
In 1871 John Money has this Household:-
1871 - RG10/1224; Folio: 26; Page: 1 - New Alresford
Pound Hill
John Money 48 Head Groom Bishops Sutton
Harriett** Money 32 Wife Old Alresford
Charles Money 12 son Bishops Sutton
John Money 10 son do
Alfred Money 7 son New Alresford
Rosa H Money 5 dau do
Sarah Ann Money 3 dau do
Frederick W Money 6 months son do
James Sprangle 10 Stepson Bishops Sutton
Ellen Sprangle 7 StepDau New Alresford
Sarah Ann would fit in between James and Ellen (who IS Ellen - theres a Birth Entry)
** Harriet was a single woman in the 1861 census, in service in Hinton Ampner
Anyway, thats just one option - will keep looking for her in 71 / 81
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Turning to Henry Farmer, showing Hurstbourne as his PoB in 1891 and 1901 ...
From the 1851 to 1881 census these are the only actual Hurstbourne 'fit':-
1871 - RG10/1240; Folio: 7; Page: 5; - Abbots Ann / Andover District
Lodging with the Horne Household - an Ag Lab / carter
and:-
1881 - RG11/1253; Folio: 22; Page: 37 - Hartley Wintney
Poulters Farm
John Farmer 53 Head Ag Lab born Hants, Hurstbourne
Mary Farmer 51 Wife Hants, Woodcutt (Kingsclere District ?)
Henry Farmer 32 son (no marital status) Ag Lab Hurstbourne
Thomas Farmer 28 son do do
Elizabeth Farmer 18 dau Chittinbottam (Chilbolton ?)
Alfred Farmer 12 son Penton
Albert Farmer 10 son Eggbury
Arthur Farmer 7 son Odiham
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Here's that 1881 Family 10 years earlier ..
1871 - RG10/1238; Folio: 29; Page: 18 - Exbury*, St Mary Bourne, Hants (Whitchurch District)
John Farmer 41 Head Ag Lab Hants, transcribed HUNTbourne - obviously Hurstbourne
Bertha Farmer 39 Wife Hants, Woodcutt
James Farmer 14 son Andover
John Farmer 11 son do
William Farmer 8 son Lower Cletford
Elizabeth Farmer 6 dau CHILBOLTON (now)
Edward Farmer 4 son
Alfred Farmer 1 son Pinton
* Eggsbury from 1881 ;)
should be able to work back now ....
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Mum likes to keep us guessing with her name, pretty sure its the same lady as DoB constant - altho PoB is not now Woodcutt- Kingsclere is close tho ?
1861 - RG9/715; Folio: 163; Page: 6 - Andover
'Woodhouse'
John Farmer 33 Head Ag Carter Andover
Martha Farmer 31 Wife Kingsclere
Henry Farmer 10 son Andover
Mary Farmer 8 dau do
Thomas Farmer 7 son do
James Farmer 6 son do
John Farmer 2 son do
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Good probabilty that this is their marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1848
Farmer John Kingsclere v7 p171 to TANNER Martha
given we have seen YoBs for Henry ranging from 1848 to 1851 :)
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whoops !
1851 - HO107/1674; Folio: 361; Page: 12 - Winchester, St Faith - Hants County Prison
John Farmer 25 Prisoner Criminal [previously] Ag Lab born Hants, Hurstbourne
and:-
1851 - HO107/1683; Folio: 504; Page: 12; - Andover Union Workhouse
Martha Farmer 23 born Berks, Woodcote (pretty sure this is an original error as Woodcutt (Kingsclere) consistant up to now
Mary Farmer 1 [dau] born Hants, Hurstbourne
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Heres Martha with her parents in 1841 - her age is consistant ...
1841 - HO107/392/24; Woodcutt; District: 6; Folio: 3; Page: 9
A B Tanner 30 Ag Lab
Ann Tanner 30 Not Born in County
Martha Tanner 10
Charlotte Tanner 7
Caroline Tanner 5
Robert Tanner 4
Thos Tanner 2
Elizth Tanner 1 Mo
Emma Ball 4
Chas Cooper 10
all born in County except where noted
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cant be sure about John in the 1841 census - and no handle on his birth in the IGI - apart from a 'submitted' entry :(
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See you've been 'in' since this lot was posted - hope its correct !
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Thanks for the 'PM' - glad it was interesting; I dont think they are atypical ;)
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Hello I see this post is years old but think that you are still posting on this site. Arthur Henry Farmer 'brusher' was my Grandmother's brother, he was a groom hence the nickname. My Grandmother's maiden name Daisy Belle Farmer, her Mother Sarah Ann Sprangle. I was 20 when my Grannie died so if you want any further information I might be able to help.