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This picture was in the effect of my husbands grandfather George Ernest Fisher who had links to the Morton and Sellwood families.
Can any one help to identify people in the picture.
Sally Harris
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Hi Sally,
I cannot tell you these people's name...
But I am a distant relative of the Sellwood family from Bucklebury. This is an extract from my tree.
John Sellwood, b. 1809
+ Sarah Fisher, m. 12 Jun 1833 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 22 Mar 1885 at BKS: Bucklebury
├── Edwin Sellwood, bap. 29 Sep 1833 at BKS: Thatcham
├── George Sellwood, bap. 18 Jan 1836 at BKS: Thatcham
├── Maria Sellwood,
└── Charlotte Sellwood
and John's sister Caroline....
Caroline Sellwood, b. 23 Mar 1816 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 23 Jul 1899 at BKS: Bucklebury
+ Charles Kimber, m. 2 Aug 1841 at BKS: Thatcham
and their first cousin Hannah married there & had a child baptised there in the early 1800's
I know that Sarah is buried at Bucklebury under a large tree with an headstone.
How does the Fisher family have links to the Sellwood family?
Matt
Added - right after i posted that I realised that that John Sellwood married Sarah FISHER which is probably the link
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Sellwood -Fisher Links.
James Selwood m Dinah Pennington Tidbury.
daughter hannah b 1805 M Edward Fisher born c1805/08-Have yet to find a record to show Edwards parents.
my husbands line is from Edward and Hannahs son George b1845 m Selina Morton. George and Selina lived at the Slade Bucklebury in Ivy Cottage.
The Selwoods are also linked to Selina in that she had an Aunt Mercy Morton who married a John Selwood. I did work out on family search that hannah and John both linked back to Stephen Selwood
who married Elizabeth Chapman in 1725.
George Ernest Fisher -son of George and Selina was my husbands grand father and the picture came from a collection of his.
I think at least one of the ladies is a Selwood wife. In a letter Selina wrote to her sons Georges wife not dated but after 1903 about Mrs Selwood coming round in the pony cart to take her out.
Do you think there might be a connection between Edward Fisher and Sarah.
Sally Harris
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Hi Sally,
I am pretty sure that Edward Fisher who married Hannah Sellwood was a relation of Sarah Fisher who married John, Hannah's brother.
James (who married Dianna Pennington Tidbury) had a brother John but he must have died in childhood.
Stephen Sellwood who married Elizabeth Chapman had three children - James, Stephen & William. William is my g x6 grandfather. I am off to the Berkshire Record Office next week & will confirm a marriage at Thatcham between Stephen & Elizabeth & the baptisms of their children at Thatcham or Chieveley.
I think the photo must be Edwardian era due to the hats & skirts (between about 1901-1912 I'd say but I'm no expert). As you say one of the ladies might be a Mrs Sellwood - could it be the wife of George Sellwood (b 1836) or the wife of Edwin (1833) or the wife of one of their children?
Matt
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apparently a son of your William m Jane harding had a son Johnathon m Frances Tidbury . Their son John married Mercy Morton.
Sally Harris
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I did some more digging & it turns out that Hannah & John had a brother, Joseph, born in 1815, who married on 13 Apr 1838 at Bucklebury to Martha FISHER. They had many children & one was called Mercy.
When at the Berkshire Record Office I will get a copy of this marriage certificate & scan it in for you.
Matt
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Some more digging, found out that Joseph & Hannah & John had a brother DAVID born in 1821, who married CHARLOTTE FISHER in 1845 at Bucklebury (maybe). I will find this one too & send on a copy.
Matt
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Copas Farm between Cookham and Maidenhead. .... Fisher/Copas rings a bell.
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Thanks for the replies. I should be grateful for any details Matt can pick up at the record office . If you should see a record for Hannah Selwood and Edward Fisher could you Please check if it has got a note of parentage.
To Lesanne- I shall have to lok into the Copas -Fisher side of things . I just assumed that Copas was the cart maker they had bought the trap from-or perhaps just rented out!
Sally Harris
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Sally - what I will do is get a copy of the parish register where unions between the Sellwood family and the Fisher family exist & send on copies to you via email or Rootschat; whichever you prefer.
Have you seen this record, Sally, from the IGI?
Edward FisherEvent(s):
Birth: 12 FEB 1808 Buckleburry, , Berkshire, England
Death: 04 JAN 1850 , , England
Marriages:
Spouse: Hannah Sellwood
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I think with the Sellwood family, I have been quite lucky. They seem to be well documented by the Mormons.
Matt
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Hello Sally and Matt and Lesanne,
Sally, I can't help with the photo but I will look thru some of the very few that I have and see if I can spot anything.
I have not found a baptism for Edward Fisher 1808 because I don't have direct access to Bucklebury PRs. However, I tend to half agree with Matt that Edward is brother of Sarah Fisher 1814 dau of John Fisher and Ann nee Woodley who married John Sellwood. ie 4 siblings marrying 4 siblings.
According to the Berks FHS burial Index Edward Fisher was buried in Jan 1851, not 1850 as per the IGI death.
James Sellwood (who married Diana Tidbury) did have a brother John and he died in 1782.
There was no marriage in Thatcham of Stephen Sellwood and Elizabeth Chapman. They married in Little Bedwyn, Wilts according to the pedigree held by and information at Christs Hospital. I think you may have seen it, Sally. Perhaps before we were first in touch way back in 2003.
The Stephen who marr Elizabeth Chapman was the grandfather of James who married Diana.
Yes, Sally, Jonathan Sellwood, son of William and Jane nee Harding did have a son, John, who married Mercy Morton.
Matt, if you had asked I could have sent you a copy of Joseph 1815's marriage cert of 1838. Dau Mercy married John Lake.
You are actually going over a lot of the ground that I have already covered and proven and wasting a lot of your money. However, being cheeky, I don't have a copy of David Sellwood's first marriage to Charlotte Fisher, Sarah Fisher's sister, so I would be grateful for a copy if you get one. David Sellwood was christened 1819, not 1821. He married twice.
Yes, Matt, some of the Sellwoods were Mormons but a great many of the IGI submitted Sellwood records are very, very, wrong. I have other documents that prove this to be so, so don't trust any other than collected ones or those at the RO.
Lesanne, at least one of the Sellwoods worked for the Copas because he won a ploughing competition and my particular scion had children in Cookham.
Thank you for that. I, too will go back thru my research and try to follow it up again re the Fishers. The Fishers intermarried at other times during the 19th century with Sellwoods, Mortons, and several other Bucklebury families who eventually moved elsewhere.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Vicki - I think marriage certificates from the Record Office at 40p each are worth it even if all we gain from them is the certificates... 40p is no skin off my nose...
Also I don't know when all these children of James & Dianna were baptised so am having a look at that today at the BRO just to make sure, so they are definately those children of James & Dianna.
I think David married for the second time at Chieveley(?) Where he was living in 1871. If he did I will get a copy (even if it's just for the signatures ;) ) and send it on...
Vicki - did he marry Jane Marcham in 1868 at Newbury Dist? If so... son & Dau Sarah & Caleb were already born before they married...
I'll put the baptism of Edward Fisher on my list...
Matt
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Actually.... looking at the 1871.. there are a few discrepancies...
New Inn, Chieveley, Berkshire
David Selwood, Head, Married, 51, Publican, Born Berkshire, Chieveley
Jane Selwood, Wife, Married, 37, Publican's Wife, Born Berkshire, Thatcham
Caleb Selwood, Son, Single, 9, Scholar, Born Berkshire, Thatcham
Sarah Selwood, Dau, Single, 8, Scholar, Born Oxon, Goring
Hmm....
Matt
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On the 1881... Caleb is a boarder... Living Greenham St, Greenham
RIVERS, Henry Head Married M 62 1819 Moulder (Iron) Hamstead Norris Berkshire
RIVERS, Harriett Wife Married F 68 1813 Wife Woodspeen Berkshire
RIVERS, George Granson Single M 4 1877 Scholar Greenham Berkshire
SELLWOOD, Caleb Boarder Single M 19 1862 Carpenter Bucklebury Berkshire
Matt
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Caleb in 1891...
Living 1, Paradise cottage, Paradise Place, Richmond
BOND, Joseph Head Married M 52 1839 Railway Servant Richmond Surrey
BOND, Annie Wife Married F 36 1855 Brewood Staffordshire
BOND, Joseph H Son M 7 1884 Richmond Surrey
BOND, Gertrude E Daughter F 1 1890 Richmond Surrey
SELWOOD, Caleb Boarder Single M 29 1862 Carpenter Bucklebury Berkshire
In 1901 I can't find him, but in 1911...
3, Berkeley Cotts, Speenhamland
DAVIS, ELIZABETH HEAD WIDOW F 79 STOCKCROSS BERKS
SELLWOOD, CALEB BOARDER SINGLE M 47 CARPENTER HANDY MAN BUCKLEBURY BERKS
Caleb died in 1914.
Deaths Sep 1914
Sellwood Caleb 52 Newbury 2c 279
And was buried on 23 July 1914 at Newbury Newtown Road Cemetery, aged 52, having died at the Newbury Workhouse Infirmary.
Matt
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Yes, Matt,
David Sellwood marr Jane Marcham in 1868 Newbury Reg Dist. She was the widow of James Marcham and already had a dau Sarah Marcham born and bap 1862 Goring. Sarah adopted David Sellwood's surname on the 1871 census. Jane Marcham's maiden name was Franklin.
Another dau of Jane Franklin and James Marcham was Eliza Mary 1861 who was living with her grandfather in 1871. James Marcham died in 1865.
When David Sellwood died in 1878, Jane Franklin/Marcham/Sellwood married for a third time to John Portlock and is with him in 1881.
David Sellwood with his first wife, Charlotte Fisher had 3 children that I have found before Charlotte died in 1866. Charles 1846 who marr Ellen Whale, Hannah 1856-1869. and Caleb 1862-1914. Yes, Caleb is unmarried in 1881 living as a boarder in Greenham with who I think is a relative but haven't yet proved. So there is no descepancy.
Just lots of happenings between censuses.
Now, if you can find Jane Franklin's grandmother's birthplace/date, that would be really something. She was Hannah Sellwood who marr to Anthony Franklin 1751- 1825 in Frilsham in 1779 and had children in Thatcham. I feel sure that Hannah is sister or close relative to Thomas Sellwood abt 1726-1809 Bucklebury marr to Mary Goddard in 1751 Bucklebury. Thomas's is a line that I cannot find a direct connection to our Sellwoods of Bucklebury and Chieveley. I am sure that it is there somewhere.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Oh right... I though Caleb was born out of marriage... Thanks for the information.
So Hannah Sellwood who married Anthony would be in Frilsham or Chieveley or Thatcham? I am going in today and tomorrow so have plenty of time for searches...
Tomorrow I am looking at apprenticeship Indentures of Reuben Thomas Smith & Charles Hope, Vicki... and hopefully a Tithe Map of Basildon Parish: I hope to find out where Henry & Lucy lived...
Matt
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Hi Matt,
Born Frilsham/Bucklebury/Thatcham! I don't know. Any more than I do Thomas Sellwood. That has been the problem. Don't spend all your time looking, please.
Vic
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victoria,
I have found a john fisher and Ann Woodley with 10 children listed born between 1830 and1849 this would makw John and Sarah more likely to be Sarah's brother rather than his daughter
Sally
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Sorry Victoria must be another John Fisher and annWoodley-have now located a marriage for John and anne Woodley 19/11/1803 at Thatcham. However on Family search igi if you just fill in parents names and place name their is a list of 10 children from 1830-1849 fro John and AnnWoodley.
Sally
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Hi all,
Haven't found Edward's baptism yet but will do tomorrow.
Re: Marriages at Bucklebury - you will have copies tomorrow, a woman hogged the machine when I needed to use it.
Not many Sellwood baptisms at Bucklebury, I must say. They had odd baptism patterns.. The eldest were baptised, the youngest weren't... odd children were just not baptised etc...
Attached Is a Christening Certificate from Speen. It is twin children of Stephen (son of Jonathan) Sellwood & his wife Mary Ann Smallbone. As you can see it says on it 'See Memorandum on the Back Hereof'... and there is writing leaking through the back.. so I want to look at the Speen Registers to see what is written on the back.
Matt
Ps my apologies for the coloring of the attached document... didn't come out too well.
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Matt my thanks for the document.I'm sending you apicture of a sellwood wedding that was among grandad fishers photos.
The Mother of the bride is Mercy(Morton)sellwood-the father of the bride is John Sellwood son of Jonathon. However I don't know which of Mercy's daughters is the bride and whether the gentleman in the picture is the bride or grooms father.
The grooms pipe is a nice touch .
Sally
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Sally, what children do you have for John Sellwood & Mercy Morton? I have children Peter, Lydia and Joshua. Am I looking at the wrong family ???
Matt
Added - I hope you don't mind, Sally, I have posted this photograph to the dating board to see if anyone knows the rough date of it.
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Matt,
I'm quite happy for you to get the picture dated.
Two people haveshared a tree with me.and I've gleaned what I can from both but have not checked the details.
John Sellwood m Mercy Morton in 1844 appaently he was a master cordwainer and lived in Peasemore he died in 1860
Children
Peter m S Rowles 1872
Lydia m William Cumner @Newbury Q2 1868/ m Charles FGibbs 1879
Joshua m Alice Hickson /m Anna Golding
Mercy m Tom CogswellQ1 1880@greenwich
Mark
John m Ellen Butler or Ellen Butcher the trees differ on this name
Mary
Both trees give the same names for the children.
I have based my assumption that the Lady is Mercy Morton Sewood on a picture I have of her when she was older.
Sally
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These photos don't make sense in light of my understanding of the information given. Aunt Mercy's studio shot is 1880ish, the wedding is 1900ish. I can't see how this Mercy could be the mother of the bride, grandmother perhaps?
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Sorry Victoria must be another John Fisher and annWoodley-have now located a marriage for John and anne Woodley 19/11/1803 at Thatcham. However on Family search igi if you just fill in parents names and place name their is a list of 10 children from 1830-1849 fro John and AnnWoodley.
Sally
Hello Sally,
There *were* two John and Ann Fishers, and I think the IGI submitter has them confused. The baptisms on IGI for children starting in Thatcham in 1830 to 1849 are all submitted ones. Those for Bucklebury are collected ones, as is one for Thomas Fisher 1804 Thatcham.
What I have is John Fisher bap 1779 died 1843 married Ann Woodley 1803 Thatcham (PRs). She died 1837 Bucklebury age 54 making a birth date abt 1783. If she was the woman giving birth to children in Thatcham in 1849 she would have been 66 years old! With a marriage in 1803 it is also highly unlikely (although possible) that a woman would be still having children in 1830 but certainly not in 1849.
I think, but have yet to prove that she was the Ann Woodley bap Bradfield 1786.
In 1841 John Fisher age 60 is in Bucklebury with a new wife? Ann age 45 (no marriage found so could be a relation) and dau Eliza age 30 next entry to John Hope 45 John Sellwood age 20 and Sarah Johnson age 30. Next door to that is Henry and Maria Hope. Maria is John Fisher's daughter, Henry is probably John Hope's son. John Fisher's dau Eliza had an illeg son, Robert, who throughout the censuses from 1841 to 1891 is living with John Hope and Maria, as is Eliza, as sister in law in 1851.
John Hope was witness at his sister-in-law Martha's marriage to Joseph Sellwood.
David Sellwood age 20 who married Charlotte Fisher is working for Robert Tidbury
The other John Sellwood age 30 who married Sarah Fisher in 1833 is just up the road with her and their family. Next entry Charlotte Fisher age 15 who appears to be a lodger or servant.
The John and Ann Fisher with the children from the submitted Thatcham baptisms is in Thatcham in 1851. He is age 56,born Thatcham she is age 46 born Newbury. This Ann would only just have been born in 1804. She would not have been having children in 1811 and neither would have John Fisher born abt 1795 .
I think this illustrates why one should not take submitted IGI's as fact until proven with other documents.
I have not found another Ann Woodley born abt 1804 anywhere, so I do not think this was the 2nd Ann's surname.
Yours
Vicwinann
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Attached Is a Christening Certificate from Speen. It is twin children of Stephen (son of Jonathan) Sellwood & his wife Mary Ann Smallbone. As you can see it says on it 'See Memorandum on the Back Hereof'... and there is writing leaking through the back.. so I want to look at the Speen Registers to see what is written on the back.
Matt
Ps my apologies for the coloring of the attached document... didn't come out too well.
Hi Matt
Sarah died and was buried in Sept 1849 so that is possibly what it says. Be interesting to see anyway. Might give some clues for something else
Vicwinann
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Matt,
I'm quite happy for you to get the picture dated.
Two people haveshared a tree with me.and I've gleaned what I can from both but have not checked the details.
John Sellwood m Mercy Morton in 1844 appaently he was a master cordwainer and lived in Peasemore he died in 1860
Children
Peter m S Rowles 1872
Lydia m William Cumner @Newbury Q2 1868/ m Charles FGibbs 1879
Joshua m Alice Hickson /m Anna Golding
Mercy m Tom CogswellQ1 1880@greenwich
Mark
John m Ellen Butler or Ellen Butcher the trees differ on this name
Mary
Both trees give the same names for the children.
I have based my assumption that the Lady is Mercy Morton Sewood on a picture I have of her when she was older.
Sally
Hi Sally,
John Sellwood marr Ellen Butler in 1889. She was dau of Benjamin and Hannah nee Streatley. Ellen's brother, Joseph, was one of the witnesses.
Vicwinann
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These photos don't make sense in light of my understanding of the information given. Aunt Mercy's studio shot is 1880ish, the wedding is 1900ish. I can't see how this Mercy could be the mother of the bride, grandmother perhaps?
Hi Newburychap,
Sally did say that this second picture was a photo when Mercy Sellwood nee Morton was older. She was born in 1822, died 1908.
Can anyone with fashion knowledge hazard a guess at the wedding photo's date? That would make it easier to work out the ages of the people in it, and therefore who they might be.
Yours
Vicwinann
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the back of Mercys picture says photographed by H Harbut
Coles' Studio
143Bartholomew st
Newbury.
Sally
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Oh right.... that's why I didn't get the last few children of John & Mercy Sellwood... he died & the youngest 3 children were sent to the Morton Grandparents...
Living Holly Farm, Upper Bucklebury
MORTEN, John Head Married M 72 1789 Farmer of 150 Acres employing 3 Men & 2 Boys Bucklebury Berkshire
MORTEN, Sarah Wife Married F 75 1786 Farmers Wife Bucklebury Berkshire
SELLWOOD, Mary Granddaughter Married F 37 1824 Late Farmers Wife Bucklebury Berkshire
SELLWOOD, Susan Granddaughter Unmarried F 9 1852 Late Farmers Dau Bucklebury
Berkshire
SELLWOOD, Mark Grandson M 5 1856 Bucklebury Berkshire
SELLWOOD, John Grandson M 3 1858 Bucklebury Berkshire
SELLWOOD, Mary Granddaughter F 0 (4M) 1861 Thatcham Berkshire
DEVINY, Henry Servant M 15 1846 Carter Boy Thatcham Berkshire
BLEE, John Servant M 12 1849 Carter Boy Bucklebury Berkshire
Vicki - Will check nontheless, the writing leaking through the back of the baptism cert looks to be all over the back so there may be more details of family relationships etc etc etc.
I will email you again later Vicki with more info.
Matt
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Vicki - I have only just realised where I heard the name Mercy Sellwood before... she was the second wife of George Selwood of Lane End! But she was born a Harris & a relation of my mother so probably no link
Matt
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matt,
In consequent census you will find mercy living with John Morton and listed as his housekeeper.
Sally
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Vicki - I have only just realised where I heard the name Mercy Sellwood before... she was the second wife of George Selwood of Lane End! But she was born a Harris & a relation of my mother so probably no link
Matt
Matt,
As far as I have researched I cannot make any link with the Bucklebury Sellwoods and the Lane End/Brightwell Baldwin ones.
Vic
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Well well well where to begin... how bout if i post what I found & you tell me if you want more details.
BRIANT burials at Yattendon 1752-1812 (Vicki - Lucy's ancestors)
6 May 1810 Edward son of John & Ann Fisher baptised at Bucklebury
Children of James & Dianna Sellwood of Bucklebury
Many marriages at Bucklebury, mainly after 1885
The Memorandum on the Back of the Speen cert
Charlotte Sellwood's baptism at Speen
Baptism of Agnes Charlotte (Dau of George Sellwood of Speen)
Couple of marriages at Cold Ash - relation of the Evans'
2 Apprenticeship Indentures of Reuben Smith & George Reuben Hope.
Matt
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Hi Matt
So, our thoughts about Edward Fisher were right. Brilliant. Thank you Matt.
Confirming the children of James and Dianna Sellwood would be more than useful.
The Evans of Cold Ash are directly related to the Sellwoods, so yes please, to confirm what I have.
I have Agnes Charlotte from the censuses but not her baptism.
What did the back of the bap entry for Charlotte say?
Those Indentures sound interesting.
If you don't want to put it all on here, email me at home. As you say, where to start! You are a star.
Yours
Vic
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Well I'll put it on here, I'm sure Sally could add them to her notes, too.
Memorandum - didn't feel like copying it out so have scanned the page from my notebook in.
Bucklebury Baptisms.
7 Nov 1802 William s/o James & Dinah
10 Feb 1805 Hannah d/o James & Dinanah
16 Feb 1806 Sarah d/o James & Dianah
15 Nov 1810 Elizabeth d/o James & Dinah
4 Dec 1814 James s/o James & Dinah
15 Feb 1818 George s/o James & Diana
Also..
22 Feb 1801 John s/o William & Mary
9 Aug 1812 Charles s/o James & Harriet
19 May 1816 Caroline d/o James & Hannah
9 Mar 1817 Ann d/o Thomas (inferred from Marriage cert) White & Hannah Sellwood
15 Mar 1846, Mary Anne d/o George & Elizabeth Sellwood of Bucklebury, Labourer
26 May 1850, Thomas s/o Stephen & Mary Sellwood of Bucklebury, Labourer
14 Sep 1851, John s/o Stephen & Mary Ann Sellwood of Bucklebury, Labourer
And...
10 Nov 1889, Mary Annie d/o John & Ellen Sellwood of Slade, Bucklebury, Bricklayer, b. 11 Sep
17 Jan 1892, Joseph William s/o John & Ellen Sellwood of Bucklebury, Bricklayer, b. 7 Dec 1891
16 Apr 1893, Violet Mercy d/o John & Ellen Sellwood of Slade, Bucklebury, Bricklayer, b. 28 Feb
4 Aug 1895, Albert Sidney s/o John & Ellen Sellwood of Slade, Bucklebury, Bricklayer
11 Sep 1927, Norman Keith s/o Sidney William & Louisa Sellwood, Bucklebury, Carpenter
30 Mar 1930, Hazel Edna d/o Albert Sidney & Lily Constance Sellwood, Bucklebury, Bricklayer
25 May 1930, Douglas s/o Albert Horace & Gladys Ethel, Bucklebury, Bricklayer
2 Oct 1932, June d/o Sidney & Louisa Sellwood, Bucklebury, Carpenter
18 Jun 1933, Donald Marcus s/o Albert Horace & Gladys Ethel, Bucklebury, Bricklayer, b. 27 Apr 1933
30 Jun 1933, Janet May d/o Albert Sidney & Lilian Constance, Bucklebury, Bricklayer, b. 14 Jun 1933
Bucklebury Marriages
27 March 1841
Henry Johnson, 20, ba, lab s/o Joseph, lab
Ann Sellwood, fa, sp, d/o Thomas White, Lab
Wits: William Tovey, Nathaniel Hedges
10 July 1869
James Green, 28, ba, lab s/o George, lab
Charlotte Sellwood, 22, sp, d/o John, Bricklayer
Wits: Charles Thomas Brooks, Hannah Tull
25 Nov 1882
Henry Sellwood, 32, ba, lab s/o George, deceased
Clara Harriet Osgood, 30, sp, d/o Richard, lab
Wits: Richard Osgood, Alice Osgood
20 Apr 1889
John Sellwood, 31, ba, bricklayer s/o John, shoemaker
Ellen Butler, 22, sp d/o Benjamin, lab
Wits: Joseph Butler, Caroline Stacey
3 Aug 1897
Albert Ernest Sellwood, 25, ba, Carpenter of 19 Fourth Avenue, Kensel Green, s/o John, wheelwright
Charlotte Millson, 27, sp, d.o Alfred, Builder
Wits: Edward Millson, Matilda Sellwood
3 July 1912
Robert Ross, 51, ba, Gamekeeper of Lingwood, Lincs, s/o Alexander, Farmer
Matilda Sellwood, 42, Sp, d/o John, Carpenter
Wits: Emma Sellwood, Charles Sellwood
1 Jan 1918
Cyril Aubrey Robert Turner, 27, ba, Soldier s/o Edwin Dickens, Porter
Violet Mercy Sellwood, 24, Sp, d/o John, Bricklayer
Wits: Edith Clara Morton, Archie Edwin Turner
6 Aug 1920
Sydney Paulin, 29, Ba, Bricklayer's labourer s/o John, wood dealer
Mary Annie Sellwood, 30, sp, d/o John, Bricklayer
Wits: Edwith Clara Morton, Frank Paulin
5 Aug 1922
William George Holden, 24, ba, Checker G[reat]W[estern]R[ailway] Newbury, s/o William Stewart, Caretaker
Kathleen Charlotte Sellwood, 22, Sp, d/o Alfred Ernest, bulder
Wits: Doris Irene Sellwood, Albert Horace Sellwood
12 July 1924
Albert Sidney Sellwood, 29, ba, Bricklayer s/o John, Bricklayer
Lily Constance Fisher, 24, sp, dau of Charles, Builder
C. H. Bailey (?), Gladys May Fisher
3 Aug 1929
George Edward Hazell, 26, ba, Bricklayer, s/o John, Farm Labourer
Doris Irene Sellwood, 26, Sp, d/o Albert Ernest, builder
Wits: A. H. Sellwood, S. W. Sellwood
27 Nov 1935
William Minchin, 27, ba, Butcher (?) of Theale s/o Edwin, Sawyer
Ethel Mary, 24, Sp, d/o Albert Edward, Builder
Wits: Raymond John Minchin, Kathleen Charlotte Holder (or Holden)
23 Apr 1938
Charles Sellwood, 52, wid, Engineer, s/o John, Wheelwright
Bessie Golding, 45, Sp of Goring, dau of Solomon, Shepherd
Wits: James Bartlett, Solomon Golding
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Speen
The missing baptism of Charlotte Sellwood at Speen was on 25 Nov 1855 where her father's occupation was a labourer & their residence at Bagnor, Berks
1873 December 28, Agnes Charlotte d/o George & Mary Sophia of Bagnor, Groom
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Cold Ash
27 October 1900
James Loveridge, 25, ba, Gardener of Cold Ash s/o Thomas, Dec'd, Engine Driver
Lucy Ann Barr, 23, Spinster of Cold Ash d/o Alfred Barr, labourer
Wits: F. Hazell, Beatrice Fawcett, Alice Frances Hazell, Caroline Jessie Hazell
15 September 1892
Charles Hopkins, 29, ba, Waiter of Cold Ash (no father)
Lilly Louisa Barr, 26, sp of [somewhere illegible] Church Road [somewhere illegible], d/o Alfred, labourer
[Forgot to record Witnesses in haste to get a copy of Yattendon marriages before the machine was taken again]
Will send the indentures along in due course or may scan them in.
Matt
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Just reading through that memorandum, it doesn't make sense, does it? Hmm I thought I copied it right. Well you get the message, I think 8)
Matt
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David Sellwood marriage
Hope you can see it ok
Matt
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Can anyone with fashion knowledge hazard a guess at the wedding photo's date? That would make it easier to work out the ages of the people in it, and therefore who they might be.
I already hazarded a guess - 1900ish i.e. definitely between 1890 and 1910 (my initial reaction was 1905 based on the late Victorian, early Edwardian costume), perhaps as long as 20 years after the old lady had her photo taken. I would be astounded if the Mercy picture is of anyone in the wedding photo.
H Harbut was active in Newbury in 1872-88 (Northcroft Lane) and 1889-1895 (West Mills). The only reference I can find of him in Bartholomew St is at 117-8 (Coles Studio) in 1881. This is a pencilled addendum to the 'Directory of Newbury Photographers' by Paul Cannon. Thomas Cole was a shopkeeper (115-118 Bartholomew St) who, presumably, let a room that Harbut used for a while.
Sally - 143 Bartholomew St is a new reference - any chance of a scan of the back of the photo? This can be very useful in dating a carte de visite (which I am assumming this is).
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Matt
Many thanks for all the information particulary the christening of Edward Fisher. I shall need several days to sift through all the other details.
to Newbury chap this is the reverse of Mercy Sellwoods picture.
Sally
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Okay, given a back design that simple I will reassess my dating of Mercy's photo to the early 1870s.
Harbut started in Newbury in 1872, I suspect this was an early commission.
But that makes it unlikely to be Mercy Sellwood 1922-1908, the lady in the photo is too old.
Then again photo dating is not an exact science.
If you want to have a go yourself a good starting point is Roger Vaughan's site at
http://www.cartes.freeuk.com/time/date.htm
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Hi All,
Some more data for you
Bucklebury Marriages.
7 Oct 1751 Thomas Selwood & Mary Goddard
13 Jan 1794 George Deacon of Chieveley & Martha Sellwood, by Banns
15 Nov 1824 William Selwood & Elizabeth Ann Clements
3 Jun 1824 John Selwood bachelor & Elizabeth Hanson Spinster
30 Jan 1802 James Sellwood of Chieveley & Dianna Tidbury
21 Oct 1820 Ambrose Underwood Wid & Hannah Selwood Spinster
28 Jul 1817 Henry Chandler bachelor & Hannah Selwood Widow
12 Jun 1833 John Sellwood bachelor & Sarah Fisher Spinster
28 Mar 1836 George Sellwood bachelor & Charlotte Kimber Spinster
12 Feb 1831 Edward Fisher bachelor & Hannah Selwood Spinster
I didn't research much this time - I looked at Workhouse records for at least 2 hours & tithe maps.
Vicki I will email you some more Briant Burials.
Matt
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Matt,
Thank you for all you data.
I am wondering if the Sellwood lady with the pony might be Ellen(butler) Sellwood.
In a letter dated 0ct 1903 Selina (Morton)Fisher daughter of PeterMorton and niece of Mercy Morton Selwood wrote Mrs Sellwood took me for a drive one day and we had the use of her pony and trap one Sunday. Then in Cecilia Millsons booklet Bucklebury Heritage Mrs Paulin mentions her mothers visits to Newbury market every Thursday to buy her own and her Neighbours groceries.Mrs Paulin also recalls that twice a year her mother made homebrewed beer -for the harvest and Christmas-collecting the malt on one of her trips to Newbury,
The old recipe apparently meant starting the beer making at4 a.m and finishing at 10pm. Mrs Paulin was Ellen and Johns daughter.
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When she was a girl. Elsie annie Fisher -the youngest of George and Selina kept a post card album.
Some must have been sent inside a letter as no postmark.
I'm attaching the back of a postcard where obviously the signature was considerer not suitable for a childs eyes. The picture on the other side is of Holly Farm.
Hand written in the corner is G H White who may be the sender but is also I believe a photographer from Thatcham
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To Sarah Harris
I have seen a picture of a family wedding and it has Mercy Morton & John Sellwood. I have just started doing my family tree Mercy & john are my grandmothers grandparents
My grand mothes parents were Peter Sellwood born 1846 and Sarah Rowles (or Roles)
My Grandmother was Minnie Ada and she married a Mitchell.
Can you let me know who on the picture is Mercy & John.
Thanks
Theresa
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To Mother theresa.
I regret that I'm Not certain of anyone in the picture. It has been date as late 18-early 1900's.
I had hoped that posted it would have led to putting names to faces.
John Sellwood would have been deceased at the time. The old lady in the back row resembles the bride and I did think she might have been Mercy Sellwood (nee Morton)
If you look through these pages you will find a picture of Mercy Mortontken circa 1870. Mercy was a sister of Peter Morton who was my husbands great great Grandfather.I do also have a picture of Mercy's father John Morton.
Sally Harris
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Hi Sally
Here is a picture of my Grandmother Minnie Ada Mitchell/Sellwood with my Grandfather Thomas Nathaniel Mitchell with me Theresa Maria Giovanna Mitchell in Coventry 1947
If anyone knows anything about Minnies mother Sarah Rowles or Roules from Newbury I will be very pleased.
Thanks
Theresa
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Here is another photo from my family Sellwood/Mitchell/Rowles
I do not know who it is can anyon hepl
Theresa
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Here is another photo if anyone can help from the sellwood
Mitchell......family
Theresa
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Here is another photo if anyone can help from the sellwood
Mitchell......family
Theresa
Looks like a Christ's Hospital scholar - are the Sellwood/Mitchells related to John or Frances West?
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Newburychap...
According to Vicwinann there are many Sellwood and Sellwood-related pedigrees at Christ's Hospital. As far as I know there is no link between us and the West's... we have got back no further than about 1700 but the West's were mid-1600's I think??
Matt
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There would certainly be a link between the west and the sellwoods.
Stephen Sellwood married Elizabeth Chapman and through various marriages bacxk to the Stare/Stair
Family. John West was the son of Elizabeth staire and Simon West
Sally
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I have another photo. I think it is Thomas Nathaniel Mitchell (My Grandfather) who married Minnie Ada Sellwood from Newbury
Minnie had a
Sister Alice Sellwood born 1887
Sister Edith Sellwood born 1883
Brother Ernest Sellwood born 1873
If anyone has more info on who they married etc....
thanks
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Here is the next photo I think they must e part of Mitchell sellwood rowles family. Is there anyway I can find out as some have numbers on the back?
Theresa
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Matt,
I'm quite happy for you to get the picture dated.
Two people haveshared a tree with me.and I've gleaned what I can from both but have not checked the details.
John Sellwood m Mercy Morton in 1844 appaently he was a master cordwainer and lived in Peasemore he died in 1860
Children
Peter m S Rowles 1872
Lydia m William Cumner @Newbury Q2 1868/ m Charles FGibbs 1879
Joshua m Alice Hickson /m Anna Golding
Mercy m Tom CogswellQ1 1880@greenwich
Mark
John m Ellen Butler or Ellen Butcher the trees differ on this name
Mary
Both trees give the same names for the children.
I have based my assumption that the Lady is Mercy Morton Sewood on a picture I have of her when she was older.
Sally
Hi Sally
It's been a while since anyone posted on this topic.
mothertheresa I am afraid I don't know who are in any of the photographs.
Attached is the marriage cert of Mercy Sellwood to Thomas Cogswell.
Matt
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Matt,
many thanks for the cert. i haven,t been doing much research lately.
Sally
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I don't know if anyone's still interested in this thread but I managed finally to piece together the children of James Sellwood and Diana Tidbury:
James Sellwood, bap. 14 Jan 1765 at BKM: Chieveley, bur. 26 Mar 1847 at BKS: Chieveley
+ Diana Pennington Tidbury, bap. 1 Jul 1781 at BKS: Woolhampton, m. 30 Jan 1802 at BKS: Bucklebury
├── William Sellwood, bap. 7 Nov 1802 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 13 Feb 1877 at USA: Tooele, Tooele, UT, bur. 15 Feb 1877 at USA: Tooele, Tooele, UT
├── Hannah Sellwood, bap. 10 Feb 1805 at BKS: Bucklebury, bur. 16 Apr 1868 at BKS: Bucklebury
├── Fanny Sellwood, b. 1 Sep 1807 at BKS: Oare, bap. 13 Sep 1807 at BKS: Chieveley, bur. 18 Nov 1895 at BKS: Thatcham
├── Elizabeth Sellwood, bap. 15 Nov 1810 at BKS: Bucklebury, bur. 30 Jan 1811 at BKS: Bucklebury
├── Charles Sellwood, bap. 9 Aug 1812 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 25 Mar 1884 at USA: Union City, Branch, MI
├── John Sellwood, bap. 4 Dec 1814 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 26 Mar 1895 at BKS: Bucklebury, bur. 30 Mar 1895 at BKS: Bucklebury
├── Joseph Sellwood, bap. 23 Mar 1815 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 24 Nov 1898 at BKS: Bucklebury
├── Caroline Sellwood, b. 23 Mar 1816 at BKS: Bucklebury, bap. 19 May 1816 at BKS: Bucklebury, d. 23 Jul 1899 at USA: Grouse Creek, Box Elder, UT
├── George Sellwood, bap. 15 Feb 1818 at BKS: Bucklebury, bur. 2 Oct 1875 at BKS: Wantage
└── David Sellwood, b. 1822 at BKS: Bucklebury, bur. 3 Nov 1878 at BKS: Cold Ash
Matt
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Hi
I would be grateful for any information regarding the knott family of Bradfield, Buckleybury.
Kind Regards
Lorna :)
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Hi
I am tracing the Fisher Family of Bucklebury and have got back to Edward Fisher B. 12.2.1808 but am having trouble finding his parents or brothers/sisters - can anybody help please :)
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If you just trawl through these bucklebury pages you will find Matt has provided a christening detail for edward naming his parent. That is if we are talking about edward married to Hannah sellwood. Edward and Hannah had about nine children,
sally Harris
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Thank you sally, my great, great, great grandfather was Edward Fisher and am interested in tracing back further. Karen
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Thank you Sally, have gone through all the messages and am now trying to trace John fisher and Ann, who lived at The Slade in Upper Bucklebury, which is quite close to where the later generations have lived. I have come across a Eliza Fisher in the 1841 census who I think maybe Edwards twin sister. I need to confirm by getting the records, that is my next step. Edward Fisher (who married Hannah Selwood) is my Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandfather, his son Joseph Fisher Gt Gt Gt Grandfather, his son Charles my Gt Gt Grandfather, etc.
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Hi Sally
Here is a picture of my Grandmother Minnie Ada Mitchell/Sellwood with my Grandfather Thomas Nathaniel Mitchell with me Theresa Maria Giovanna Mitchell in Coventry 1947
If anyone knows anything about Minnies mother Sarah Rowles or Roules from Newbury I will be very pleased.
Thanks
Theresa
Hello,
According to the censuses Sarah came from Wootton Basset, Wilts. I have her parents as William and Charlotte (from an IGI baptism)
Vicwinann
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Thank you Sally, have gone through all the messages and am now trying to trace John fisher and Ann, who lived at The Slade in Upper Bucklebury, which is quite close to where the later generations have lived. I have come across a Eliza Fisher in the 1841 census who I think maybe Edwards twin sister. I need to confirm by getting the records, that is my next step. Edward Fisher (who married Hannah Selwood) is my Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandfather, his son Joseph Fisher Gt Gt Gt Grandfather, his son Charles my Gt Gt Grandfather, etc.
Hello,
Rather than answer all your individual queries, perhaps you would like to message me privately. I have an extensive database of many of the Bucklebury families, particularly the Sellwoods who are my paternal family.
I think that it is you to whom I have also left a message on the Bucklebury village message board.
Regards
Victoria
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Newburychap...
According to Vicwinann there are many Sellwood and Sellwood-related pedigrees at Christ's Hospital. As far as I know there is no link between us and the West's... we have got back no further than about 1700 but the West's were mid-1600's I think??
Matt
Hi Matt,
I am afraid that you are wrong. Our line of Sellwoods and most of those from Bucklebury and Bradfield, are registered with Christs Hospital, as am I. The link is with Stephen Sellwood's wife, Elizabeth Chapman, whose pedigree goes back to the Wests.
Vicwinann
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Long time passed, I know, but who was looking at Selwood with poss link to Norris?
http://brianloomes.com/collecting/selwood/index.html
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Hi
Original studio photo of Josh Sellwood, looks like he is in wedding attire could have been taken the same day as the Mercy sellwood photo as its from the same studio.
Has my Grandmother's hand writing on the back saying Josh Sellwood, she was born in the 1890's so would have known him
thanks
simon