England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: stretchie on Monday 28 February 05 23:30 GMT (UK)
Title: Causeway Meadow - Dodderhill
Post by: stretchie on Monday 28 February 05 23:30 GMT (UK)
What does this mean?
Its listed as the residence on a 1841 birth certificate.
Is Causeway Meadow a village or just a causeway boundary between two parishes?
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: Gardener on Tuesday 01 March 05 16:50 GMT (UK)
Hija! First I Googled it and found the following http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-WORCESTER/2001-07/0994703543 Don't know if that was an answer to you or if someone else is looking for the place... Then I managed to find Causeway Meadows Farm on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Grid Ref: 393744,265500
So I guess that is the place you want. I've seen farms given on birth certs without actually saying "farm" and very confusing it is too! If, as the other link suggests, it was not on the 1895 map then I suppose it fell into disrepair in the years between.
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: slloyd on Sunday 12 June 05 00:02 BST (UK)
Thought you would like to know that Causeway Meadow Farm still exists today or certainly did when I passed it the other day when I was down that way taking photos for the website.
All the best Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk Photographs of Worcestershire Churches and Graves.
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: stretchie on Sunday 12 June 05 00:09 BST (UK)
Planning first trip down at the end of September.
Is it an old farm?
worth a visit?
Stretchie
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: slloyd on Monday 20 June 05 01:18 BST (UK)
Hi, it is an old farm. I just remember seeing the name on the farm gate and saying to my Mum who was with me that one of my pals from school used to live there I thought. Anyway will probably be down that way before September so will take a look for you and see what you can see from the road etc. and if I can remember I take a photo for you and then you can see whether it is worth visiting. Mind you if you don't know the area you could get seriously lost round those lanes as road signs are not a priority! I don't think much has changed since the 19th century including the horse muck on the road :)
Byetheway, I noticed in another of your posts that you are researching the name Farmer in the area of Dodderhill. I have recently photographed Dodderhill Church and a lot of the graves (still got a few more to do) and I think I can remember the name Farmer on a few ... might be wrong though as you go a little cross-eyed after a while.
All the best Sally
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: mrstucci on Friday 15 July 05 00:20 BST (UK)
I just had to reply to this as my Nash family lived at Causeway Meadows for many years!!! I have pictures of Causeway Meadows also. I live in the US but my Nash roots are in Dodderhill, Causeway Meadows! Judy
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: stretchie on Thursday 28 July 05 18:32 BST (UK)
"PICTURES, GIVE ME PICTURES........"
Thanks everyone for their interest.
Cant wait until Sept !!!!!
Stretchie.
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: stretchie on Thursday 28 July 05 18:51 BST (UK)
Sally,
I have a query you might be able to help me with;
St Martins in Birmingham; has it a grave yard? I think my George Farmer is buried there in 1833. Is there anyway of finding out? I need confirmation that this is my George Farmer, husband to Mary and Father to John.
Can you help me on this?
Stretchie.
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: slloyd on Tuesday 02 August 05 19:51 BST (UK)
Hi Stretchie
Where's my post has gone about B'ham ... I replied to your request the other day but it has vanished!! Anyway the long and the sort of it was that I don't know anything much about St Martins ... the last time I remember noticing the church was at the same time as watching the steam trains coming into Moor St station ... Must have been one of the last ones ... honest ... now I am showing my age
Now to the most important bit of news ... Causeway Meadows Farm ... I took the dogs for a walk by the canal today and took a detour home and grabbed some photos of the farm as promised. I have put them up on parishmouse for you. They are the original size photos so will take a while to load on the big pics as they are up to 4mb in size ... but I thought you may like the originals for your files. Let me know if you want them smaller ... it is no problem. The link to the photos is on the main page under "Other Links" and is called Special Requests Gallery. As a taster here (I hope!) is a sample: (http://www.parishmouse.co.uk/special_requests_gallery/Photos/IMG_0064.jpg)
BFN Sally www.parishmouse.co.uk
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: mrstucci on Tuesday 02 August 05 20:48 BST (UK)
Hi Sally- second attempt at replying to this forum! Thought I clicked on Post but it disappeared- those computer fairies are tricky sometimes! Anyway, I wanted to thank you so much for posting the picture of Causeway Meadows!! I have some older pictures of it and the quality isn't all that great so I really appreciate the one you put here. My Nash family lived there for many years and my intention is to post in this forum the info I have about the home....just need to find the time.....But thanks again so very much for posting the picture! Judy
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: stretchie on Tuesday 02 August 05 21:23 BST (UK)
Hi Sally & Judy,
Pictures are fantastic, thankyou.
Keep up the good work with Parishmouse Sally.
Judy, would love to see your older photo's any chance???
Stretchie.
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: mrstucci on Tuesday 02 August 05 22:16 BST (UK)
Sure- I will put that on my to-do list! Judy
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: mrstucci on Wednesday 03 August 05 20:16 BST (UK)
Here is one picture that I have of Causeway Meadows. All I have is a photocopy that I got from my aunt so the quality isn't all that good. Not sure what is the front and what is the back of the house. According to my aunt, the top picture is the front per her husband but she didn't think so..... I have one other picture to send but I will do that in a separate email. Judy
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: mrstucci on Wednesday 03 August 05 20:27 BST (UK)
I'm not sure where I got this photo from but again it's a photocopy. I realized after posting the other picture that it was too large! I am so sorry! I was a bit too anxious to get it posted....... Judy
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: mrstucci on Wednesday 03 August 05 21:14 BST (UK)
Here is the informaton I have on Causeway Meadows. I hope it makes some sense:
This is what I know of Causeway Meadows Farm, the ancestral home of my Nash Family. Some of the information was handed down to me from my Aunt Betsie. She obtained the information from a cousin, Humphrey Nash, who has done a lot of the Nash family history. Then I happened to meet online a woman who was part of a historical group putting together a history of Dodderhill which is where Causeway Meadows is located and she did some digging around for me also.
Of interest to me was clarification of the 3000 year leasehold that the Nash family had for Causeway Meadows. Here is what I found out- ‘At the Record Office she (note: ‘she’ is Cheryl, the historian for Dodderhill) found it was an indenture of lease dated 10th December 1563 between Thomas Carewe and William Hill and there was a yearly rent payable of one penny on the feast of St. Michael (if demanded). Thomas Carewe and Richard Sparry (the local land agent) ‘demised granted and farm let to William Hill the messuage or tenement outbuildings farm lands and hereditaments referred to or known as Corsey Meadow.’
Cheryl: what this really means is: Thomas Carewe was the Lord of the Manor and in the 1560’s he ‘sold off’ all his lands and also the Lordship of the Manor of Wychbold. Because of the way land was then ‘held’ Thomas Carewe would have held it of a larger magnate than himself, either a much larger land holder, Duke or Earl, etc. who would in turn have held the land from the King/Queen. In order to pass on ‘ownership’ of the land it was done via a very long lease i.e. 1500 years or even 3000 years and then each subsequent ‘owner’ held the land for the residue of years left on that lease. However, the Property Acts of 1881 and 1882 did away with the necessity for these long leases and as the ‘one penny’ yearly rent had never been demanded, the land could be held ‘freehold’or in legal terms in ‘fee simple’. Samuel Nash would have held Causeway Meadows under the term of the original 1563 lease, but in effect it was his to do with what he wished.
Now, the William Hill mentioned in the above information I believe was the father of Elinor Hill who married my 7g grandfather, John Nash, in Hanbury in 1674. So that is how it came into the Nash family I believe. Not proven though.
From Cheryl: Apparently during the 1770’s the house was owned by the Wilson family. Cheryl says that Causeway Meadows was like a hamlet, made up of various properties which the farm and the terraced cottages formed only a part, the rest of the area being made up of several pairs of cottages as well cottages. The only buildings left now are the farmhouse, in a reduced size, an old barn which has been converted into a dwelling, a pub called “The Bowling Green’ and about 8 semi-detached houses built in the 1950’s. The Causeway Meadows farm house is set quite a long way back from the road. In front of it and to one side of it were some cottages. Apparently there were 20 or so cottages built for the salt-workers at Stoke Prior. They were in two terraces of 10 or 12 facing each other onto a courtyard which had at its centre a well where the washing and ablutions were done for all residents. From what I (Cheryl) can gather these cottages could only be described as slums. Because the houses were a severe health hazzard they were demolished in the early 1950’s and the residents moved to the newly built houses in the main body of the village of Wychbold.
So when Samuel Nash lost a bunch of money from a failed salt brine business, he and his wife, Ann Preston Nash, moved out of Causeway Meadows to Haselor House where Samuel died in 1850. He sold Causeway Meadows to his brother Thomas who died in 1876. I don’t know if another Nash ancestor got the house or not as I don’t have a wife for Thomas.
I am pretty sure I have some more pictures of Causeway Meadows but can’t put my finger on them just yet….. Hope this is of some interest to whomever happens upon this forum! Any questions, contact me and I will try to answer them. Judy
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: stretchie on Thursday 04 August 05 22:10 BST (UK)
Thats great Judy.
Ive rechecked the birth cert detail and it says 14th Oct 1841 Dodderhill as the 'when and where born' and residence of informer is Thomas Bunn, Father, Causeway Meadow. A Labourer.
Looks like the Mother went into Dodderhill Village to give birth while Dad stayed at the family cottage on the Causeway Meadow Estate.
This is really fasinating, thankyou again for your help.
Id really like to know more about Dodderhill around 1831 - 1851. For some reason my family left the area and came to Widnes, Woodend by 1852. Funnily enough the same time as Gossage, to work in his Soap Factory.
What happened?
Stretchie
Title: Re: CAUSEWAY MEADOW - DODDERHILL
Post by: mrstucci on Thursday 04 August 05 23:09 BST (UK)
Well, I don't know why exactly your ancestor left but maybe when my Samuel Nash left Causeway Meadows in 1845 because of money problems, maybe his brother couldn't afford to keep the laborours for an indefinite period of time. Judy
Title: Re: Causeway Meadow - Dodderhill
Post by: sackville on Monday 30 April 18 16:01 BST (UK)
Hi, I've only just seen these posts. One of my husband's ancestors was Joseph Nash of Causeway Meadow! He married Sarah in 1786. I don't have a surname for Sarah, or place of the marriage. I've only just found some documents my husband's grandmother wrote about her family history in 1965. Joseph and Sarah had a son Joseph born in 1788, who married Anne Bradley in 1815. Anne was born in Waterford, Ireland. I think Joseph and Sarah must have been living in Ireland, as there first child, Elizabeth, was born there in 1818. I have a photo of Elizabeth, but not her parents. Elizabeth married George Newsom in Newry, Armagh, in 1837. George was born in Ballynattin in 1808. Any information you may have on Joseph Nash of Causeway Meadow would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Causeway Meadow - Dodderhill
Post by: Alan Australia on Friday 06 July 18 05:43 BST (UK)
Hi I have been researching my family tree for years but have now set my attention to my wife's side of the family which is difficult on the paternal side as it is aboriginal based and there is not much information relating to the indigenous Australians but that being said the maternal side is much more detailed and one of the area's includes the Nash family as the son of Samuel Nash (1791-1850) and Ann Preston (1798-1881) this was Humphrey Nash (1835-1886) who came out to Australia departing Liverpool on the 20th May 1852 on the ship Bourneuf arriving at Geelong Victoria Australia on September 3rd 1852 he would pass away on the 23rd January 1886 at Katunga Victoria Australia and he was buried on January 24th 1886 at Numurkah Cemetery not far from Katunga. The burial on the day after death would probably have been due to it being hot January is the middle month of summer and could have been 100F (40C). Humphrey came to Australia while most of his brothers and sisters moved to the USA I wonder if this was due to the failed salt business of his Father's?
Joseph Nash 1762-1808 Father William Nash 1704-1772 Mother Diana Hadon Birth Date 1762 Birth Place Dodderhill Worcestershire England Baptism Date 19 September 1762 Baptism Place Causeway Meadows Farm Dodderhill Worcestershire England Spouse Sarah Timmins 1762-1834 Marriage Date 6 November 1784 Marriage Place Church of Saint Thomas Dudley Worcestershire England Children William Nash 1785-1808 Joseph Nash 1787-1837 Thomas Nash 1788-1876 Humphrey Nash 1789- Samuel Nash 1791-1850 Sarah Nash 1793- Diana Nash 1797- John Timmins Nash 1798-1810 Richard Nash 1800-1808 Elizabeth Nash 1803- Death Date 21 June 1808 Death Place Worcestershire England Burial Place Hanbury Worcestershire England
Name Joseph Nash 1787-1837 Father Joseph Nash 1762-1808 Mother Sarah Timmins 1762-1834 Birth Date 22 September 1787 Birth Place Dodderhill Worcestershire England Spouse Anne Bradley 1798-1815 Marriage Date 10 September 1815 Marriage Place Holy Trinity Parish Church Waterford Ireland Children Sarah Nash 1816- Elizabeth Nash 1818- Dianna Nash 1821- Charlotte Jane Nash 1823- Joseph Gadsden Nash 1825- Samuel Bradley Nash 1828- Anne Nash Jane Nash Death Date 15 July 1837 Death Place Waterford Ireland Burial Place The Abbey Kilculliheen Ferrybank Waterford Ireland Occupation Bacon merchant
I have never used this site before so I hope that the above information goes through All the best Alan Australia
Title: Re: Causeway Meadow - Dodderhill
Post by: sezuk on Friday 20 December 19 21:02 GMT (UK)
Hi
Interesting post - I've just discovered my great grand uncle owned some property in Causeway Meadows and I'e been trying to research the area, it looks like a lot of houses were knocked down and it sounds like from the newspaper clipping I have that the houses the family owned were in disrepair - I just wondered if anyone could shed any light on what happened from the late 50s when the family owned property there.
Title: Re: Causeway Meadow - Dodderhill
Post by: stanmapstone on Friday 20 December 19 21:58 GMT (UK)
You can see the houses on this side by side map showing the present aerial view https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=52.2885&lon=-2.0920&layers=168&right=BingHyb
Google view https://goo.gl/maps/qhtcmw8kDkAdka159
Stan
Title: Re: Causeway Meadow - Dodderhill
Post by: sezuk on Sunday 22 December 19 21:10 GMT (UK)