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Title: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania -COMPLETED
Post by: richardsonh on Monday 24 August 09 21:16 BST (UK)
Hello.
I am looking for the children of Lavington Roope, b. 1821 Devon, d. 1881 Hobart, Tasmania, m. Lydia Tidmarsh Carter in Hobart, Tasmania in 1846.
Have looked in Tasmanian Archives Office records and found ROOPE Lavington George b. in 1847 and ROOPE Raymond Hamilton b. 1857 but all other siblings (there were several) are either marked as F for female or M for Male. :(
Can you help me find their names?
They lived in New Town, Hobart, Tasmania.
Thanks very much.
Hilary 
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: Andcarred on Monday 24 August 09 22:50 BST (UK)
Hi Hilary,

There are two marriages and a death for girls with the name of Roope but no definite proof of who their parents are.  However it is a very uncommon name so the chances are that they belong to your couple.  You would need death records which have parents name to prove same, or copies of marriage certificates.  If you look under the married names for a death on the index you might find the correct parents names have been given.  When the births were registered they obviously hadn't decided on the child's name

ROOPE, Frances Amy   CM 846283      Age:   27   Marriage
   Spouse:   GANT, Tetley      Age:   29
   Marriage Date:   19 Jul 1882   
    Reg Year:   1882   Reg State:   Tasmania
   Ref Number:   302   
ROOPE, Lydia Laura   CM 846285      Age:   21   Marriage
   Spouse:   REEVE, James William      Age:   38
   Marriage Date:   04 Feb 1873   
    Reg Year:   1873   Reg State:   Tasmania

ROOPE, Alice   CD 768420  Death
   Sex:   Female
     Age at Death:   11
    Death Date:   08 Jan 1860
    Reg Year:   1860   Reg State:   Tasmania
   Ref Number:   1866   
ROOPE, Lavington   CD 768423  Death
   Sex:   Male
     Age at Death:   60
    Death Date:   29 Jun 1881
    Reg Year:   1881   Reg State:   Tasmania
   Ref Number:   3197   
ROOPE, Lydia Tidmarsh   CD 768424  Death
   Sex:   Female
     Age at Death:   40
    Death Date:   08 Sep 1864
    Reg Year:   1864   Reg State:   Tasmania

Andcarred
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 24 August 09 23:58 BST (UK)
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?searchTerm=lavington+roope

there are a number of newspaper articles which will help with  the research

Jenn
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: ennael on Tuesday 25 August 09 00:28 BST (UK)
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm

has at least 2 deaths registered to a Lavington and Lydia ROOPE.
Charles H. 1886, Julian 1882

Leanne
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: ennael on Tuesday 25 August 09 00:43 BST (UK)
there is an entry for a death for a Lavington George ROOPE in N.Z.
1927 aged 82 years.

http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/search/

Leanne
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: richardsonh on Tuesday 25 August 09 16:02 BST (UK)
Thank you SO much, Andcarred, Jenn and Leanne!! :) :) :) :)

This is very helpful indeed.

Hilary, still searching, but now with much more information.
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 26 August 09 00:33 BST (UK)
http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp

It looks as if LAVINGTON GEORGE ROOPE may have been a bit of an inventor.
He applied for registration of a patent in 1898.
Sue
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 26 August 09 01:05 BST (UK)

Hi,
found.........ROOPE Raymond Hamilton b. 1857  HILARY



Using the National Archives search which I have given above, you will also see a digitised Navy Record for a RAYMOND Charles ROOPE who gives his parents' names as RAYMOND and MABEL ROOPE.  There is an addresss.

Also at the HAY cemetery where CHARLES H.  ROOPE died, there is an unmarked grave.
22/4/1886
CHARLES HUNT ROOPE.

Per the NSW BDM findings listed by ennael.
Sue

Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: richardsonh on Wednesday 26 August 09 01:41 BST (UK)
Thanks so much Sue. That's definitely my Lavington George Roope!
But perhaps not Raymond Charles Roope. I have found that Raymond Hamilton Roope married Constance King, not a Mabel.
I'm very interested in George Hunt Roope though (Hunt is a family name). Does it give any indication of when he was born, or how old he was when he died?
Thanks ever so much again.
Hilary
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Wednesday 26 August 09 01:59 BST (UK)
Probably son of ---

Marriage
ROOPE Raymond Charles
NICHOLS Mabel Emily
20 Jun 1918  New  Norfolk   1918  Reg#1140

Australian Electoral Rolls
1919, 1936
ROOPE Mabel Emily   New Norfolk   HD
ROOPE Raymond Charles  New Norfolk   Plumber

Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Wednesday 26 August 09 02:15 BST (UK)
I'm very interested in George Hunt Roope though (Hunt is a family name). Does it give any indication of when he was born, or how old he was when he died?

A transcription of his death registration may help you ie if the informant had the knowledge.  You can purchase a transcription from an authorised transcription agent for about $17, a cheaper option to purchasing a certificate.  The information is the same.  Transcription is emailed to you.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent

or

Hay Cemetery
There is a copy of the burials in the Hay Cemetery at the Hay Visitor Information Centre, Library and Hay Shire Office.

The Hay Visitor Information Centre
407 Moppett Street,
Hay NSW 2711
Phone: (02) 6993 4045
Fax: (02) 6993 2069
Email: hayvic[at]hay.nsw.gov.au

or

Hay Shire Council Administration Building is located at
134 Lachlan Street,
PO Box 141
Hay NSW 2711
Telephone: (02) 6993 1003
Facsimile: 02 6993 1288
Email: mail[at]hay.nsw.gov.au

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: johngirl on Wednesday 26 August 09 02:17 BST (UK)
Hi all,

While snooping about I did find this.

Scroll down to burial number 571.

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dpsoc/Carlyle/CE%20300%20to%20399.htm

  Johngirl
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Wednesday 26 August 09 02:20 BST (UK)
Just about to post that Johngirl ;D

I was going to suggest that Hilary do a good search for some ROOPE information...quite a lot of info to be found.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: johngirl on Wednesday 26 August 09 02:30 BST (UK)
Hi Cando,

Yes old Google comes in handy sometimes. ;D

  Johngirl
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 26 August 09 04:19 BST (UK)
just adding in the death record

 REEVE Lydia Laura died aged 36 in 1889 at Rutherglen reg no 14013
 father Roope Lavington  Mother Lydia CARTER

Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Wednesday 26 August 09 05:11 BST (UK)
Hilary there are a few ROOPE deaths here - volunteers email you photocopies of the death notices
http://www.ryersonindex.org/

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 26 August 09 07:49 BST (UK)

Hi,

Does it give any indication of when he was born, or how old he was when he died?HILARY.


The burial informationI have passed on is limited to what I have posted.  The column offering the possibilityof further information shows negative.
However, you would be well-advised to try the contacts Cando has given just the same.

Sue
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: ennael on Wednesday 26 August 09 08:25 BST (UK)
Further to Jenns' post re newspapers and Sues post re: George Lavington being an inventor etc, there  are quite a few entries for George Lavington on:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

Leanne
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Wednesday 26 August 09 08:37 BST (UK)
Hilary you may like to search just using ROOPE - a few goodies here ;D
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Wednesday 26 August 09 08:46 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06yv/

Invercargill Cemetery

ROOPE Lavington George    82 Years
Date Buried    Jan 14 1927
Place of Death    Lewis Street,
Cemetery    Saint Johns Cemetery
Classification    General
Block 25    Plot    24B

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: paulnicclark on Thursday 27 August 09 12:45 BST (UK)
Hilary,

I am a direct descendant of Lavington Roope. I've only started doing some family tree research over the past 6 months and so am a bit of a newbie.

I used Lavington as my starting point as his unusual name made things easier!

Raymond and Mabel Roope who are referred to elsewhere are my maternal grandparents. Raymond Charles Roope who was in the Navy was my uncle.

My grandfather was the son of Raymond Hamilton Roope (born 1857), who was the son of Lavington Roope.

Lavington Roope's date of birth was actually 8 December 1820, born in Dartmouth, in Devon.

Most of my searching to date has been to see how far back in the UK I could reach. Please let me know what areas are most of interest and I will try to add to what you have already been told by the other posts.

Very keen to hear anything you can add about your interest in the Roope family.

Regards, Paul Clark
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: richardsonh on Thursday 27 August 09 13:38 BST (UK)
Hello, Paul. It's wonderful to hear from you. This is what I have on your great-grandfather RHR, mostly thanks to Jenn, above, who sent me a link to Australian newspapers (thanks again, Jenn!).
Raymond Hamilton Roope, b. 1857, married Constance King. The Mercury (Hobart,... Tuesday 1 January 1884, page 4. Family Notices ROOPE-KING.-On "October 26, at the Cathedral, Colombo, Raymond  Hamilton Roope, Nanuoya, Ceylon, third son of the late Lavington Roope, Esq., Tasmania, to Constance Ada, youngest daughter of the late. William Cutfield King, Esq , Taranaki, New Zealand.” Captain WCK was  killed during the native wars in Taranaki Captain William Cutfield King First Taranaki War (shot, Woodleigh estate, Henui, New Plymouth February 8, 1861) (Taranaki Herald, Taranaki, New Zealand).
Children Lavington Roope, Julian Roope (b. 1884) and Wellington Roope.
Died in Siam (Thailand) 1887. This info is from family records, and may not be accurate. Which son are you descended from?
Do you know anything about RHR's siblings, particularly Charles H. and Mary?
My great-great-grandmother was a Roope from Dartmouth Devon. I have loads of info about the family and their involvement in the wine trade with Portugal, as Hunt, Roope & Co.
I'm new to this group; what's the best way of sharing this with you?
Hilary

 
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 27 August 09 22:25 BST (UK)
Hello  there paulnicclark,
Welcome to rrotshcat  hope  you  find us all friendly and helpfull.

 Hi Hilary

the best way  to share information  privately  is to  contact by  private message, but a person has to have posted three times before  this access can be gained,

on  the left of the screen as you  look at it  you  will see  a couple of symbols one is a face  that is your profile information  and the other is a scroll  that is what you click for sending pm's private message

hope  you  can follow what I  mean


kind thoughts Jenn


 
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: paulnicclark on Thursday 27 August 09 23:34 BST (UK)
Hi Hilary,

As per the moderator's note, we have to post 3 times before we can post privately. I have only signed up yesterday, I was just Googling J Lavington Roope to kill some time when your post came up.

I have managed to get back a few generations so far.  I am keen to understand the relationship between Roope Harris (who apparently adopted the Roope surname) and Cabell Roope, when he inherited Greenway House. I assume he is some kind of relative.

I haven't been able to find out when Lavington arrived in Tasmania ( or Van Dieman's Land as it was known back then).  There was a convict by the name of Roope brought out around that time, but I haven't found anything to link him to Lavington as a close relative.

I'll post some more information over the weekend. Where are you based - UK, NZ, Australia or somewhere else?

Regards, Paul
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Friday 28 August 09 00:01 BST (UK)
Hi Paul...Jen isn't a moderator.  We all try to help one another on this public forum.

I suggest you browse the Tasmanian resources at the top of the board.  You can access William ROOPE's convict record with links to the original register entries. May give you more information.  This William, after gaining his freedom, settled in Geelong. Vic - his name appears frequently in Government Gazettes.

I have sent Hilary all I can find on the ROOPE name in Aus [bdm's, electoral rolls listings etc]or given her links etc.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: richardsonh on Friday 28 August 09 00:45 BST (UK)
Hello all. Thanks for all the help.

A special thanks to you, Cando, for all the information you have sent me in your 2 pms today. I really appreciate it.

I have pm'd Paul, so should soon be exchanging information with him. Thanks Jenn for telling me how.

I doubt that Lavington Roope was a convict. He emigrated to Tasmania as a young man and seems to have been a prosperous businessman. He also was granted a gold mining license. At the age of 25 he married Lydia Tidmarsh Carter, the daughter of Hobart's first Lord Mayor William Carter. LR owned a huge property in New Town Hobart 7008 Tasmania called Wendover (called Risdon Park when he and family lived there). Roope Street in New Town, Hobart 7008 is named after him. 

Many thanks to everyone who helped me find out all this information, and much much more.

Hilary, from Ontario, Canada.
 
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: cando on Friday 28 August 09 00:49 BST (UK)
A few more bits -

Hilary you mentioned your interest in Charles Hunt ROOPE who died at Hay in 1886.  There is a  record held by the Society of Australian Genealogists, 120 Kent Street, Sydney.

ROOPE  Charles Hunt, at Hay, buried on 22 April 1886.  Their source is Cemetery Transcript Unspecified and reference is B7/11/125 P175.

You can purchase this online for AUD $7.50
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06zi/
Click on     AGCI Record Retrieval

Hopefully this is an informative headstone MI which may give you more information on Charles Hunt. 

I wasn't inferring that Lavington was a convict ;D  The convict was William ROOPE.  Most of us would love some "Australian Royalty" in our family tree ;D ;D :P

Good luck
Cando
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 28 August 09 00:58 BST (UK)
Quote
Hi Paul...Jen isn't a moderator.  We all try to help one another on this public forum.

It didn't bother me in the least that you  had called me a moderator  there are some lovely  mods on  rootschat who do a wonderfull job ;) I realised it was no doubt a slip of  the pen so to speak.  I  do not pretend to be a moderator  that is for sure. 

As Can do  has  said  we all try and help each other  out.

Jenn
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: sparrett on Friday 28 August 09 01:01 BST (UK)
Hi all,
Cando , in reply #7 & #16 I did mention to Hilary that CHARLES HUNT ROOPE appears, according to my information, to be in an unmarked grave and there is no further information.

However, as my source is different from the one you cite, perhaps I am incorrect.

Sue
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 28 August 09 01:07 BST (UK)
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp

You may  have allready see  reference to Lavington Roope on  the IGI  it does give his place of Birth and parents names

parents were
JONAH LAVINGTON ROOPE  and   MARIA  Burghall

who married 09 FEB 1807   Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England

Jenn

Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: richardsonh on Friday 28 August 09 01:09 BST (UK)
Hello, all. Thank you so much for the information you have shared.

Thanks Cando for your 2 pms today with even more information. I may be ordering the record re CH Roope.

I have pm'd Paul (thanks Jen) so should be in contact before long.

I agree that the odd convict or other black sheep of the family can make the family tree more interesting than the sometimes boring upper-crusty family members.  ;D  ;D  ;) I would have been happy with whatever I found. It was just very interesting to be able to find out so much about his family :) :).

Hilary, from Ontario, Canada.
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: sparrett on Friday 28 August 09 01:21 BST (UK)
It looks as if CHARLES pracitsed law in Hay.

This item from the Index to Insolvencies.

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/


ROOPE, Charles Hunt - -  of Hay, occupation Solicitor 3/02/1885. 19432. Superseded  5/03/1885.

Just before his death!

Sue
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 28 August 09 01:28 BST (UK)
Now that is an interesting find Sue,

makes one wonder what happened. ???

Jenn
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: majm on Friday 28 August 09 01:31 BST (UK)
Bit More,

At the Australian War Memorial's online site there's a photo of  Nurses and patients returning from WW1 to Australia, one of the nurses is listed as "Sister Roope"

http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/P01425.013

It may be that "Sister Roope" was Staff Nurse M E Pennefather [Mrs W J Roope] as mentioned in the Australian Imperial Force Headquarters (London) Administrative Registry - Medical personnel administration files at http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx

JM
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: sparrett on Friday 28 August 09 01:49 BST (UK)
Hi
makes one wonder what happened.  JENN
Yes, it does Jenn and I wonder if it goes towards explaining the unmarked grave which is recorded for him.(Though this information is not confirmed yet!!)

I have not been able to ocate any marriage or children for him, so perhaps he was  isolated from family at that time.

Sue
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: majm on Friday 28 August 09 02:00 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn and Hi Sue,

Re C H Roope, do either of you know which Electorate included HAY in say 1870's as I have 1870 and 1878 NSW rolls online.

Ta,  JM
Title: Re: Lavington ROOPE in Tasmania
Post by: majm on Friday 28 August 09 02:13 BST (UK)
Bit More,

There's an index reference to a Charles Hunt ROOPE admission as a legal practitioner on the Tasmanian Archives,
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au 

JM