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Hello.
I am looking for the children of Lavington Roope, b. 1821 Devon, d. 1881 Hobart, Tasmania, m. Lydia Tidmarsh Carter in Hobart, Tasmania in 1846.
Have looked in Tasmanian Archives Office records and found ROOPE Lavington George b. in 1847 and ROOPE Raymond Hamilton b. 1857 but all other siblings (there were several) are either marked as F for female or M for Male. :(
Can you help me find their names?
They lived in New Town, Hobart, Tasmania.
Thanks very much.
Hilary
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Hi Hilary,
There are two marriages and a death for girls with the name of Roope but no definite proof of who their parents are. However it is a very uncommon name so the chances are that they belong to your couple. You would need death records which have parents name to prove same, or copies of marriage certificates. If you look under the married names for a death on the index you might find the correct parents names have been given. When the births were registered they obviously hadn't decided on the child's name
ROOPE, Frances Amy CM 846283 Age: 27 Marriage
Spouse: GANT, Tetley Age: 29
Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1882
Reg Year: 1882 Reg State: Tasmania
Ref Number: 302
ROOPE, Lydia Laura CM 846285 Age: 21 Marriage
Spouse: REEVE, James William Age: 38
Marriage Date: 04 Feb 1873
Reg Year: 1873 Reg State: Tasmania
ROOPE, Alice CD 768420 Death
Sex: Female
Age at Death: 11
Death Date: 08 Jan 1860
Reg Year: 1860 Reg State: Tasmania
Ref Number: 1866
ROOPE, Lavington CD 768423 Death
Sex: Male
Age at Death: 60
Death Date: 29 Jun 1881
Reg Year: 1881 Reg State: Tasmania
Ref Number: 3197
ROOPE, Lydia Tidmarsh CD 768424 Death
Sex: Female
Age at Death: 40
Death Date: 08 Sep 1864
Reg Year: 1864 Reg State: Tasmania
Andcarred
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http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?searchTerm=lavington+roope
there are a number of newspaper articles which will help with the research
Jenn
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http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm
has at least 2 deaths registered to a Lavington and Lydia ROOPE.
Charles H. 1886, Julian 1882
Leanne
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there is an entry for a death for a Lavington George ROOPE in N.Z.
1927 aged 82 years.
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/search/
Leanne
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Thank you SO much, Andcarred, Jenn and Leanne!! :) :) :) :)
This is very helpful indeed.
Hilary, still searching, but now with much more information.
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http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/ResearcherScreen.asp
It looks as if LAVINGTON GEORGE ROOPE may have been a bit of an inventor.
He applied for registration of a patent in 1898.
Sue
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Hi,
found.........ROOPE Raymond Hamilton b. 1857 HILARY
Using the National Archives search which I have given above, you will also see a digitised Navy Record for a RAYMOND Charles ROOPE who gives his parents' names as RAYMOND and MABEL ROOPE. There is an addresss.
Also at the HAY cemetery where CHARLES H. ROOPE died, there is an unmarked grave.
22/4/1886
CHARLES HUNT ROOPE.
Per the NSW BDM findings listed by ennael.
Sue
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Thanks so much Sue. That's definitely my Lavington George Roope!
But perhaps not Raymond Charles Roope. I have found that Raymond Hamilton Roope married Constance King, not a Mabel.
I'm very interested in George Hunt Roope though (Hunt is a family name). Does it give any indication of when he was born, or how old he was when he died?
Thanks ever so much again.
Hilary
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Probably son of ---
Marriage
ROOPE Raymond Charles
NICHOLS Mabel Emily
20 Jun 1918 New Norfolk 1918 Reg#1140
Australian Electoral Rolls
1919, 1936
ROOPE Mabel Emily New Norfolk HD
ROOPE Raymond Charles New Norfolk Plumber
Cando
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I'm very interested in George Hunt Roope though (Hunt is a family name). Does it give any indication of when he was born, or how old he was when he died?
A transcription of his death registration may help you ie if the informant had the knowledge. You can purchase a transcription from an authorised transcription agent for about $17, a cheaper option to purchasing a certificate. The information is the same. Transcription is emailed to you.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent
or
Hay Cemetery
There is a copy of the burials in the Hay Cemetery at the Hay Visitor Information Centre, Library and Hay Shire Office.
The Hay Visitor Information Centre
407 Moppett Street,
Hay NSW 2711
Phone: (02) 6993 4045
Fax: (02) 6993 2069
Email: hayvic[at]hay.nsw.gov.au
or
Hay Shire Council Administration Building is located at
134 Lachlan Street,
PO Box 141
Hay NSW 2711
Telephone: (02) 6993 1003
Facsimile: 02 6993 1288
Email: mail[at]hay.nsw.gov.au
Cheers
Cando
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Hi all,
While snooping about I did find this.
Scroll down to burial number 571.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dpsoc/Carlyle/CE%20300%20to%20399.htm
Johngirl
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Just about to post that Johngirl ;D
I was going to suggest that Hilary do a good search for some ROOPE information...quite a lot of info to be found.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Yes old Google comes in handy sometimes. ;D
Johngirl
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just adding in the death record
REEVE Lydia Laura died aged 36 in 1889 at Rutherglen reg no 14013
father Roope Lavington Mother Lydia CARTER
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Hilary there are a few ROOPE deaths here - volunteers email you photocopies of the death notices
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Cheers
Cando
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Hi,
Does it give any indication of when he was born, or how old he was when he died?HILARY.
The burial informationI have passed on is limited to what I have posted. The column offering the possibilityof further information shows negative.
However, you would be well-advised to try the contacts Cando has given just the same.
Sue
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Further to Jenns' post re newspapers and Sues post re: George Lavington being an inventor etc, there are quite a few entries for George Lavington on:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
Leanne
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Hilary you may like to search just using ROOPE - a few goodies here ;D
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
Cheers
Cando
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/06yv/
Invercargill Cemetery
ROOPE Lavington George 82 Years
Date Buried Jan 14 1927
Place of Death Lewis Street,
Cemetery Saint Johns Cemetery
Classification General
Block 25 Plot 24B
Cheers
Cando
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Hilary,
I am a direct descendant of Lavington Roope. I've only started doing some family tree research over the past 6 months and so am a bit of a newbie.
I used Lavington as my starting point as his unusual name made things easier!
Raymond and Mabel Roope who are referred to elsewhere are my maternal grandparents. Raymond Charles Roope who was in the Navy was my uncle.
My grandfather was the son of Raymond Hamilton Roope (born 1857), who was the son of Lavington Roope.
Lavington Roope's date of birth was actually 8 December 1820, born in Dartmouth, in Devon.
Most of my searching to date has been to see how far back in the UK I could reach. Please let me know what areas are most of interest and I will try to add to what you have already been told by the other posts.
Very keen to hear anything you can add about your interest in the Roope family.
Regards, Paul Clark
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Hello, Paul. It's wonderful to hear from you. This is what I have on your great-grandfather RHR, mostly thanks to Jenn, above, who sent me a link to Australian newspapers (thanks again, Jenn!).
Raymond Hamilton Roope, b. 1857, married Constance King. The Mercury (Hobart,... Tuesday 1 January 1884, page 4. Family Notices ROOPE-KING.-On "October 26, at the Cathedral, Colombo, Raymond Hamilton Roope, Nanuoya, Ceylon, third son of the late Lavington Roope, Esq., Tasmania, to Constance Ada, youngest daughter of the late. William Cutfield King, Esq , Taranaki, New Zealand.” Captain WCK was killed during the native wars in Taranaki Captain William Cutfield King First Taranaki War (shot, Woodleigh estate, Henui, New Plymouth February 8, 1861) (Taranaki Herald, Taranaki, New Zealand).
Children Lavington Roope, Julian Roope (b. 1884) and Wellington Roope.
Died in Siam (Thailand) 1887. This info is from family records, and may not be accurate. Which son are you descended from?
Do you know anything about RHR's siblings, particularly Charles H. and Mary?
My great-great-grandmother was a Roope from Dartmouth Devon. I have loads of info about the family and their involvement in the wine trade with Portugal, as Hunt, Roope & Co.
I'm new to this group; what's the best way of sharing this with you?
Hilary
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Hello there paulnicclark,
Welcome to rrotshcat hope you find us all friendly and helpfull.
Hi Hilary
the best way to share information privately is to contact by private message, but a person has to have posted three times before this access can be gained,
on the left of the screen as you look at it you will see a couple of symbols one is a face that is your profile information and the other is a scroll that is what you click for sending pm's private message
hope you can follow what I mean
kind thoughts Jenn
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Hi Hilary,
As per the moderator's note, we have to post 3 times before we can post privately. I have only signed up yesterday, I was just Googling J Lavington Roope to kill some time when your post came up.
I have managed to get back a few generations so far. I am keen to understand the relationship between Roope Harris (who apparently adopted the Roope surname) and Cabell Roope, when he inherited Greenway House. I assume he is some kind of relative.
I haven't been able to find out when Lavington arrived in Tasmania ( or Van Dieman's Land as it was known back then). There was a convict by the name of Roope brought out around that time, but I haven't found anything to link him to Lavington as a close relative.
I'll post some more information over the weekend. Where are you based - UK, NZ, Australia or somewhere else?
Regards, Paul
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Hi Paul...Jen isn't a moderator. We all try to help one another on this public forum.
I suggest you browse the Tasmanian resources at the top of the board. You can access William ROOPE's convict record with links to the original register entries. May give you more information. This William, after gaining his freedom, settled in Geelong. Vic - his name appears frequently in Government Gazettes.
I have sent Hilary all I can find on the ROOPE name in Aus [bdm's, electoral rolls listings etc]or given her links etc.
Cheers
Cando
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Hello all. Thanks for all the help.
A special thanks to you, Cando, for all the information you have sent me in your 2 pms today. I really appreciate it.
I have pm'd Paul, so should soon be exchanging information with him. Thanks Jenn for telling me how.
I doubt that Lavington Roope was a convict. He emigrated to Tasmania as a young man and seems to have been a prosperous businessman. He also was granted a gold mining license. At the age of 25 he married Lydia Tidmarsh Carter, the daughter of Hobart's first Lord Mayor William Carter. LR owned a huge property in New Town Hobart 7008 Tasmania called Wendover (called Risdon Park when he and family lived there). Roope Street in New Town, Hobart 7008 is named after him.
Many thanks to everyone who helped me find out all this information, and much much more.
Hilary, from Ontario, Canada.
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A few more bits -
Hilary you mentioned your interest in Charles Hunt ROOPE who died at Hay in 1886. There is a record held by the Society of Australian Genealogists, 120 Kent Street, Sydney.
ROOPE Charles Hunt, at Hay, buried on 22 April 1886. Their source is Cemetery Transcript Unspecified and reference is B7/11/125 P175.
You can purchase this online for AUD $7.50
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06zi/
Click on AGCI Record Retrieval
Hopefully this is an informative headstone MI which may give you more information on Charles Hunt.
I wasn't inferring that Lavington was a convict ;D The convict was William ROOPE. Most of us would love some "Australian Royalty" in our family tree ;D ;D :P
Good luck
Cando
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Hi Paul...Jen isn't a moderator. We all try to help one another on this public forum.
It didn't bother me in the least that you had called me a moderator there are some lovely mods on rootschat who do a wonderfull job ;) I realised it was no doubt a slip of the pen so to speak. I do not pretend to be a moderator that is for sure.
As Can do has said we all try and help each other out.
Jenn
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Hi all,
Cando , in reply #7 & #16 I did mention to Hilary that CHARLES HUNT ROOPE appears, according to my information, to be in an unmarked grave and there is no further information.
However, as my source is different from the one you cite, perhaps I am incorrect.
Sue
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http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp
You may have allready see reference to Lavington Roope on the IGI it does give his place of Birth and parents names
parents were
JONAH LAVINGTON ROOPE and MARIA Burghall
who married 09 FEB 1807 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
Jenn
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Hello, all. Thank you so much for the information you have shared.
Thanks Cando for your 2 pms today with even more information. I may be ordering the record re CH Roope.
I have pm'd Paul (thanks Jen) so should be in contact before long.
I agree that the odd convict or other black sheep of the family can make the family tree more interesting than the sometimes boring upper-crusty family members. ;D ;D ;) I would have been happy with whatever I found. It was just very interesting to be able to find out so much about his family :) :).
Hilary, from Ontario, Canada.
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It looks as if CHARLES pracitsed law in Hay.
This item from the Index to Insolvencies.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/
ROOPE, Charles Hunt - - of Hay, occupation Solicitor 3/02/1885. 19432. Superseded 5/03/1885.
Just before his death!
Sue
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Now that is an interesting find Sue,
makes one wonder what happened. ???
Jenn
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Bit More,
At the Australian War Memorial's online site there's a photo of Nurses and patients returning from WW1 to Australia, one of the nurses is listed as "Sister Roope"
http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/P01425.013
It may be that "Sister Roope" was Staff Nurse M E Pennefather [Mrs W J Roope] as mentioned in the Australian Imperial Force Headquarters (London) Administrative Registry - Medical personnel administration files at http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
JM
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Hi
makes one wonder what happened. JENN
Yes, it does Jenn and I wonder if it goes towards explaining the unmarked grave which is recorded for him.(Though this information is not confirmed yet!!)
I have not been able to ocate any marriage or children for him, so perhaps he was isolated from family at that time.
Sue
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Hi Jenn and Hi Sue,
Re C H Roope, do either of you know which Electorate included HAY in say 1870's as I have 1870 and 1878 NSW rolls online.
Ta, JM
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Bit More,
There's an index reference to a Charles Hunt ROOPE admission as a legal practitioner on the Tasmanian Archives,
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au
JM