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Title: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: Barbaricbarb on Wednesday 28 October 09 14:36 GMT (UK)
I am having difficulties finding a marraige between Alfred Edmund Puxty (born 1883 Flimwell) and a Jane Wilson (I think born about 1880). I have found other Alfred Puxty's but they are not him (I have traced them forwards with their respective families to eliminate them from enquiries). He is also very difficult to find on the 1911 census (no success as yet) although I may have found Jane - thats if she is working as a domestic servant in Bromley at the time and was born in Port Rose, Canarty (sp?) Scotland.
They have a large family starting with Alfred E Puxty in last quarter 1911 in the Sevenoaks area and I have traced their abode from 1921 onwards (Jane in 1919 at a local pub) in Halstead (north of Sevenoaks) in the electors registers upto 1944 when the family were killed through enemy bombing at the consistant address of Lamberhurst Cottages. I cannot locate a marraige on the Scotlands people site either at present so am pretty stuck. I have order the eldest sons birth certificate to try shed more details and this indicates that the family are in the same address in Halstead /Shoreham Sevenoaks from October 1911 at least. I have revisited the 1911 census and also had another trawl through the bmd indexes but still no luck.

Would anyone have any ideas re finding a marraige please?

Thanks

This family are not just distant cousins but were also living on the site that is now my sons scout hut so want to piece together the history for the group too.

Many thanks

Barbara
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: casalguidi on Wednesday 28 October 09 21:44 GMT (UK)
See also http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,414741.0.html to avoid duplicated efforts

Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: AMR22 on Saturday 30 January 10 20:43 GMT (UK)
I would be interested to know what you have found out about Jane Wilson as she was my great grandmother. I don't know if you were aware that she had 10 children in all, Harry and Jessie were both older than Alfred and I know that Harry was not Alfred Edmond's son.
My mother believes that Jane came from Hastings and had a sister possibly named Edith and brothers who may have been Fred and Bill.
My mother is interested to find out as much as possible as she lived almost in view of the house when it was bombed.
I hope the information that I have given you helps.
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: Barbaricbarb on Tuesday 02 February 10 16:10 GMT (UK)
HI there

Thanks for responding to the message! I have the children so far as follows:

Alfred Edmund Puxty 1911 –
 
Jessie M Puxty 1913 – 1914 (Would this be the Jessie you have as older?)
 
Frank William Puxty 1915 – 1981
 
Charles A Puxty 1917 – 1996
 
Violet N Puxty 1922 –
 
William F Puxty 1925 – 2002

George Puxty 1928 – 1944

Dorothy R Puxty 1931 – 1944

Norah A Puxty 1939 – 1944

Was Jane married prior to Alfred or was she a single mother with Harry?

 I haven't looked into them recently - have been chasing another family tree - but I admit I was fresh running out of ideas!! I have Jane in the Halstead area from Alfreds birth certificate that I obtained for 1911 and also from 1919 in Halstead (Kent) villages register of electors that is at Sevenoaks library in their resources section. I thought that she may possibly be the same Jane Wilson that was born (1887) in the Goudhurst area (South West Kent about 20 miles from Hastings) to parents Jane and William as that is close to where Alfred grew up (Flimwell) and could explain how they met (I have gone off the Scotland theory). This one has an older brother William (Bill?) and a younger one Frederick (I haven't spotted an Edith). Other siblings possible could be Beatrice, James, Charles, George, Sarah, Elizabeth, Robert, Florence, Ellen from what I have got from census records of this family.

I may have Jane on the 1911 census also if the above is the right one.

Do you have access to Ancestry at all?

Barbara
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 02 February 10 16:22 GMT (UK)
I am having difficulties finding a marraige between Alfred Edmund Puxty (born 1883 Flimwell) and a Jane Wilson (I think born about 1880).

The CWGC site at www.cwgc.org.uk has Jane's age as 54 at death (13.2.1944) which, if correct, suggests a birthdate around 1890 rather than 1880.

Anna
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: Barbaricbarb on Tuesday 02 February 10 17:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Anna

I was thinking more 1887 (give or take a year or so - the bmd death index suggests a ?54 years of age so there could be some lee way).
Would you know whether her oldest son had a 'known as' name that he went by rather than his given name at all? Just thinking through a possibility. The parents of the Jane Wilson that I'm looking at as a possible have an Alfred John (1906) living with them as 'their son' with a 10 year gap between this and the next youngest child at the address in 1911. The born in Goudhurst Jane is working as a domestic nurse in Ramsgate - no child present that could be attributed to her at the 1911 census address.

Mulling things through  ???

Barbara
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 02 February 10 17:16 GMT (UK)
Why 1887? Is there any info on her other than the age of 54 at death?

There's a Jane WILSON b Hastings RD, Jun qtr 1891.  In 1901 she's in St Helen's Hastings with parents Henry & Mary - her siblings include a Fred and an "Eady" (poss birth reg as Edith Rose WILSON 1894 Hastings).

The 1901 ref is RG13/862/91/23.
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: Barbaricbarb on Tuesday 02 February 10 17:22 GMT (UK)
I would be interested to know what you have found out about Jane Wilson as she was my great grandmother. I don't know if you were aware that she had 10 children in all, Harry and Jessie were both older than Alfred and I know that Harry was not Alfred Edmond's son.
My mother believes that Jane came from Hastings and had a sister possibly named Edith and brothers who may have been Fred and Bill.
My mother is interested to find out as much as possible as she lived almost in view of the house when it was bombed.
I hope the information that I have given you helps.

Crikey! In view you say? Where the houses stood is now the scout huts car park and unless you know we are there it's not very obvious!!
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: Barbaricbarb on Tuesday 02 February 10 17:24 GMT (UK)
Why 1887? Is there any info on her other than the age of 54 at death?

There's a Jane WILSON b Hastings RD, Jun qtr 1891.  In 1901 she's in St Helen's Hastings with parents Henry & Mary - her siblings include a Fred and an "Eady" (poss birth reg as Edith Rose WILSON 1894 Hastings).

Not anything that helps pin point an age. I'll look at the one you have suggested above though - any lead is better than none!
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: AMR22 on Tuesday 02 February 10 19:38 GMT (UK)
According to my mother Jane was only 15 when my grandfather was born and that there is a rumour that his fathers name was Bowen. I think that the Jessie is probably the one you have and that my mother may have got the ages wrong.
Harry wasn't born until 1907 which could make the 1891 date for Jane correct. I have been unable to find his birth on freeBMD and the only Harry Puxty that seems likely in 1911 is in an institution in Tonbridge.
My mother did mention Jane's sister as Eady and assumed that her real name was Edith.
I don't know the area that you are in (I must venture that way sometime soon and have a look) but my mother used to live on the edge of Fort Halstead on land that is now part of the fort, I believe her father farmed pigs and grew strawberries there.
Harry married Laura Woolley and remained in that area until the early 1960s when he moved to Tonbridge. I don't at present have access to Ancestry at the moment but think I will be needing to sign up soon.
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: casalguidi on Tuesday 02 February 10 21:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Amr22

Do you have an exact date and place of birth for Harry which might help to pinpoint his birth certificate?  I assume you know when and where he died - this information should be on the death certificate if it was after 1969 and presuming it was known by the person who registered his death.

Also, was "Harry" his given name or was it short for Henry or Harold?

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 02 February 10 21:53 GMT (UK)
Is he the Harry PUXTY whose death was registered Jul 1992 Tunbridge Wells, DOB given as 20 March 1907?

His name was given as Harry PUXTY upon marriage to Laura R. WOOLLEY, Sep qtr 1929 Sevenoaks.
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: Barbaricbarb on Wednesday 03 February 10 09:39 GMT (UK)
According to my mother Jane was only 15 when my grandfather was born and that there is a rumour that his fathers name was Bowen. I think that the Jessie is probably the one you have and that my mother may have got the ages wrong.
Harry wasn't born until 1907 which could make the 1891 date for Jane correct. I have been unable to find his birth on freeBMD and the only Harry Puxty that seems likely in 1911 is in an institution in Tonbridge.
My mother did mention Jane's sister as Eady and assumed that her real name was Edith.
I don't know the area that you are in (I must venture that way sometime soon and have a look) but my mother used to live on the edge of Fort Halstead on land that is now part of the fort, I believe her father farmed pigs and grew strawberries there.
Harry married Laura Woolley and remained in that area until the early 1960s when he moved to Tonbridge. I don't at present have access to Ancestry at the moment but think I will be needing to sign up soon.

Hi There

Would that be the Tonbridge Union Workhouse at Pembury 1911 census image as Harry Wilson? (I haven't found any Harry Puxty born around 1907).

Fort Halstead? I assume that would have been the Polhill end? (Jane is down as residing at the Retreat at the Polhill Arms in 1919 Register of Electors rather than Lamberhurst cottages)? I'll see if I can find any recent images of the area for you, I live down the hill from these places so am not far at all.

Barbara
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: AMR22 on Wednesday 03 February 10 13:41 GMT (UK)
He is the Harry Puxty born 20/03/1907. He died at Tonbridge Cottage Hospital in 1992 which would be classed as Tunbridge Wells. To the very best of my mothers knowledge he was just Harry with no middle names.
The Tonbridge institution could well be the Union Workhouse but I can not be sure that this is the correct Harry but I think I did find the surname to be Wilson.
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: philemon on Thursday 18 March 10 13:11 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I was delighted to read the posts regarding Alfred Edmund Puxty and Jane Wilson.

I am the Great-Great Niece of Jane Wilson/Puxty.  I am descended from Frederick Wilson.

I too have been trawling the G.R.O. Indices and other sources to find the marriage but have drawn a blank.  I too have obtained the birth certificates of a couple of the children, however, these did not give any clues.  Likewise Jane and Alfred seem to be missing from the 1911 census.  Curiously, her mother, brother and sister (Mary Ann Wilson, Thomas Wilson and Edith Wilson) are also missing.

In case it is of interest and help,

Jane Wilson was born on 12.3.1891 at 4, Prospect Cottages, Ore near Hastings.  Father :  Henry Wilson and the mother Mary Ann Wilson formerly Breeds.

Jane had six siblings:

Henry - b. 1868
William - b. 1873

Mary (known as Polly) - b.1883
Frederick - b. 1887
Edith Rose - b. 1894
Thomas - b. 1896

Henry Wilson was married twice.  First to Mary Ann Foord and Secondly to Mary Ann Breeds. Henry and Willam are from Mary Ann Foord/Wilson and the others by Mary Ann Breeds/Wilson.

My late Great-Aunts often spoke of the terrible accident when a high intensity bomb fell on the cottage and killed five members of the family.  Indeed, Grandad Wilson (Frederick) was one of the people trying to rescue the family, however, was unsuccessful. Apparently, they had suffered severe burns.   Jane, Alfred and children are buried in St. Margaret's Church, Halstead.  One of my late Great-Aunt's went to the funeral and spoke of how terrible it was.

The death certificate indicates the death "due to war operations".   Frederick Wilson was a Night-Watchman and also had other duties at Fort Halstead.

I would be happy to talk about the Wilson family, share information and also hear how we are related.   

Sarah.
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: philemon on Monday 22 March 10 13:50 GMT (UK)
For the Attention of AMR22

Thank you for your e-mail.     I keep receiving error messages and also cannot find a way of replying to your e-mail directly

I am very interested in the issue of the marriage of Jane Wilson/Alfred Edmond Puxty and I am intrigued by the birth of Harry Puxty.  It would be great to solve .

I have plenty of information on the Wilson family - You are welcome to contact me via my usual e-mail   email address removed by moderator - please use the secure Rootschat personal message system to exchange personal email addresses - thankyou.  The Rootschat personal message system is automatically activated once a member has posted on the boards 2 or 3 times so now should be accessible.




Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: squeeze on Friday 19 June 15 09:14 BST (UK)
Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help me with the Puxty family.One of my relations married Frank Puxty.Amy Sarah Dibley married him in July 1913.She died quite young and was wondering if anyone had information of her.She had one daughter.
Many Thanks
sue
Title: Re: Marraige for Puxty and Wilson?
Post by: philemon on Wednesday 26 August 15 12:00 BST (UK)
Hello, Rather belatedly I am replying to your message.  Unfortunately, except for information obtained from the census of 1901 and 1911 plus the records of the General Records Office I do not have any other information on Amy Sarah Puxty.  I am assuming that you have obtained the birth, marriage certificate and the death certificate of Amy Sarah. Also the certificates for her parents James Dibley and Amy Dibley formerly Bailey.     Amy Sarah certainly died very young and I am sure that it would be interesting to obtain her death certificate.  I noticed on the General Records Office index that there seem to be two daughters (there are no other Puxty/Dibley marriages).  Kathleen A. Puxty (born 1914) and Alice C. Puxty (born 1916)  Both married in 1937 and 1939 respectively.  Frank Puxty seems to have re-married in 1921 to Bessie Bateup.   I will ask my elderly Uncle as to whether he knows any more about the Puxty family.  I will let you know in the event that I come across any further information.  Keep on researching.