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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: purplekat on Thursday 19 November 09 18:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone
Has anyone heard of Windrigg Kirk in Dalton,does it still exist and is it a church or a farm?
Thank you
Jean :)
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Hi Jean
I was born near the village of Dalton and have never heard of Windrigg but thats not to say there was not a place named that. There is Millstonerigg, Kirklandrigg and Mossrigg. Is there a name that is associated with Windrigg that we could maybe go on.
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen
Thanks for your reply, my gggg grandparents, Francis Henderson and Mary Vivers, who married in 1777, were from Dalton. I know this from my own research, recently I've been given access to another descendant's research and the notes mention Windrigg Kirk as their address, (also in the notes as Kirk Windrigg).
Francis Henderson was a farmer so I thought it was possibly a farm and that I might be able to see where they lived next time I'm in the Dumfries area.
Jean :)
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Hi, there is also a place called WhinyRig not too far from Dalton Kirk and Kirkland Rig
Also found a birth of a daughter Ann to Francis Henderson and Mary Vivers at Kirklandrigg in 1784 on a previous search for one of our own
akc
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Hi again
Kirklandrigg is not in the village of Dalton is a few miles from their and on the Murraythwaite Estate. There are three cottages there and it is possible that years ago it was a farm as there are farm buildings but when I was living in that area the estate used the buildings for storeage. The cottages are let out now and I don't know of anyone left who would be able to help. I will make enquiries as I sometimes come in contact with the people who own Murraythwaite Estate now and maybe they can check this out for me.
Kathleen
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marriage 20/11/1777 francis henderson kirklandrigg dalton mary veevors hill cummertrees csc
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children of francis/mary ann 1784 betty and janet 1782 christopher 1787 richard 1780 thomas 1779 csc
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2xhendersons 1851 census dumfriesshire richard widower70 ag lab born dalton cowburnfoot hutton parish jannet henderson dom serv 14 born ruthwell david son 11born hutton barbara daughter 18 house maid born hutton christopher63 shepherd born dalton 12 church st maxwelltown elizabeth 19 g daughter wife of ag serv born mouswald james 33born lochmaben ag serv jannet wife 64 born troqueer jannet 16 daughter china and glass app born dryfesdale csc
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On the old map that I have, Whinny Rig and Kirkland Rig are just inside the Dalton parish boundary next to Murraythwaite which is in Cummertrees
akc
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Thank you Kathleen, akc and csc for all the brilliant information.
Kathleen - thank you for going to the trouble of investigating this for me, I would appreciate any info you find
akc - thanks for the whinyrigg tip, and the map, it sounds promising. My ggg grandmother was Ann Henderson, she married Robert Blyth and moved to Moffat.
csc - thanks for all the info on the Henderson family, apart from Ann I knew they had twins Betty and Janet and son Christopher but I hadn't found Richard and Thomas and it's great to have some info about their lives.
I'm going away now to absorb all the info
cheers
Jean :)
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My uncle may well know if such a place existed (Whindrigg Kirk) - He is a local historian and has written books on Dalton and Hightae.
I will enquire this weekend and will post back the response.
I too, used to live in the area and believe the reference you are making to Whindrigg Kirk is the Old Dalton Kirk which is shown on the map aka posted. There used to be more houses in the Dalton rural landscape and you may well have unearthed another.
Kojak
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Hi Kojak
Thank you so much, I'll look forward to hearing from you again
Jean :)
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I don't think that Whiny Rig is near Dalton Kirk. The village of Dalton has three churches and they are all within the village but this Whiny Rig that appears on the map looks as if its on the Hoddom Road. If I can remember from my youth there was a ruin down near the river Annan at Murraythwaite Mill and this looks as if it could be it. It will be nearer Kirklandrigg which is over a mile from Dalton. My parents farmed near Dalton and I was born and lived there for many years and knew the area very well and I am certain there is nothing in Dalton by the name of Whiny Rig. It will be interesting to find out where it really is.
Kathleen
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It will be interesting to find out where it really is.
Yes I have to agree, from what everybody has been saying it does look like the place doesn't exist anymore so it could well be a ruin. It's so good to be able to tap into local knowledge through rootschat.
Thank you again Kathleen
Jean
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Hi PurpleKat
am very interested in your Mary Vivers....I have been researching this family from Annan for nearly two years but didn't know about Mary...Was her father Richard and her mother Elizabeth? Brothers William and Richard?
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Hi balmoral2003
Sorry as yet I have no other info on Mary Vivers, I hope that at some point when I'm in the Dumfries area I'll find time to investigate further.
Jean :)
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Hi Purple Kat
having looked into it a bit deeper, I am 99% certain Mary is Richard Vivers' daughter. He was farming Hill at least in 1774 (according to a memorial inscription of Mary's sister Jennet, who died that year, aged 19 years old. She was buried at the Annan Old Burial ground.) Didn't know about Mary, have 6 other siblings of her and their descendants. The spelling as "Veevors" kept her for me in the dark! Richard was also farming Murraythwaite at some point.
Have never posted on this forum before but it seems a very helpful, with a lot of local knowledge bunch of people. One of my aims is finding out more about Richard Vivers, b 1705 d 1790 buried in Annan. His memorial inscription says he hailed from Yorkshire. Would love to find out more about this family.
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Hi balmoral2003
Thanks for the info, If I find out any more about Richard and can find a link with Mary I'll certainly let you know, you've given me a lead to follow although I don't think I'll progress much further looking for her by computer, it will be spring or summer before I visit the area again.
I take it you are descended from Richard, which of his children is your ancestor?
On the subject of Rootschat it is a great forum with lots of helpful people. :)
Jean
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Hi Jean
I am married to a descendant of Richard, via Mary's brother William. Strangely enough, only the two sons William and Richard have a birth entry through the parish registers. The girls only appear either via marriages and two of them died young and I found out about them through the Memorial Inscriptions of Annan old burial ground.
We go to the area quite often, but I agree that spring time is a much better time to visit! And Dalton has got a fantastic Thai restaurant that's very worthwhile visiting.
Ingrid
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was marys brother william a grocer there was also a robert vivers in torthorwald farmer whose family ended up in dornock the other side of annan i remember in the fifties while camping with the guides the farmers name at dornock town was vivers csc
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Hello csc
Yes, this Robert is a son of William (who was farming at Murthat, which no longer exists but we found it be in (brother of Mary) and ancestor of my hubby, and the Dornock Vivers are again descending from this Robert. The grocer William comes down the other son's line. Anything you know about the family is very welcome...I've got a lot on this family but there remain certain mysteries...
My patriarch for this family is Richard, who had two sons William b 1745 (as above) and Richard b 1757. Richard jr married an Agnes Irving and had sons John b 1780 and Richard b 1781. These are the ones I have birth entries for. However, there are also a Robert b 1783 and William (grocer) b 1787. From the info I have they could not be William's children and have to be Richard's. However, no conclusive proof! Mother Agnes died in 1788 (presumably after childbirth?).
The farmer where you camped was either my husband's great grandfather or grandfather! Do you remember if he was very old? The great grandfather died in 1957. So exciting you stayed there! Christielands?
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yes we were near stapleton tower i remember digging a hole in which we filled with straw and put the porridge in and it was cooked in the morning our guide leader was a relative of the farmer we only knew her as miss knox her family were solicitors in annan we also had a miss vivers who taught us cooking at annan academy i will see what i can find csc
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Hi Ingrid and csc
Wow what great info, I love family stories and I sincerely hope 'my' Mary is part of this family, Do you know if Vivers is/was a relatively uncommon name in the area?
Strangely enough, only the two sons William and Richard have a birth entry through the parish registers.
I have also tried to find Mary through the LDS and OPR's on the SP website without any luck.
Mary's daughter, Ann Henderson, (my ggg grandmother), married Robert Blyth and lived in Moffat. In the Blyth family she is credited with introducing toffee to Moffat which she sold near the Old Town Well, apparently official histories of Moffat give credit for the toffee to a lady called Granny Blacklock but older members of the Blyth family have always disputed this.
Jean
P.S. Thanks for the tip about the restaurant Ingrid, we live about two and a half hours away and our thoughts always turn to food by the time we arrive in the area!
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annan is the place for most of the vivers family also a couple in canonbie am quite interested in the brydekirk connection this is where i started school and my dad was born in limekilns cottages in 1920 the farmer at park farm in the 1950s was named douglas he had lovely horses that i liked csc
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I can't wait to go there now, considering the cost of petrol it might be easier to stay for a few day in order to fit everything in. :)
Jean
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how interesting that francis/mary had a son richard do you know where murthat was i thought when i first saw it it might be murraythwaite as i have seen it spelt odly in a few of these local monumental inscription moriwat murthwat all sorts csc
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Hello Jean and CSC
This is all great stuff! Annan Academy teacher could be my mother in law? She taught there for a short while in the Eighties. Or was it earlier? Miss Knox's mother was a Vivers who married the solicitor Knox. She is now called Creighton and a cousin of my father-in-law.
Vivers was at the time an unusual name in the area and so far I've been able to trace all the dumfriesshire Vivers back to this Richard b 1705 d 1790. I wish I could find his birth entry anywhere....I only have his info from his memorial inscription, and also the fact that he was from Yorkshire. Then the name Vivers appeared in the 16th and 17th century in the Banbury area, they were woollen merchants and early founders of the Quaker movement. If you google the name you'll come across old stories. What I have been hoping to do, but so far have not been able to is finding the missing link between the Banbury Vivers and the Annan Vivers.
Murthat, I found it on an old map, was in the garden of now Limekilns, which is appparently now farmed by a son of this Miss Knox. And Murraythwaite was farmed by the first Richard. I found in the Edinburgh a fantastic old letter about him. Is there a way of passing on e-mail addresses and I could send both of you a transcription of this letter?
The Jenny Mills farm (Brydekirk, isn't it?) was also farmed by a William Vivers. The amount of William's in this family is astonishing and confusing! His son John was a captain in the army during WW1 and unfortunately got killed. He had been to Annan Academy as well (my hubby too by the way).
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helen knox married john crichton farmer limekilns ena knox was our guide leader this is where my father was born his father joseph charlton was a farm servant my granny agnes kerr and him were married brydekirk parish church 1918 miss vivers our teacher was at annan academy 1960/62 when i left school csc
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Hi csc and Ingrid
I'll send you both a pm, (private message), with my email address then we can keep in touch and update each other with any future developments
Jean
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Hello Balmoral 2003,
Slightly off the thread, has your research shown which of the Dalton or Annan Vivers emigrated to Australia and when? Sheep would be the connection in common. I have been given some references to historic newspaper sites there and would like to see if Vivers are mentioned.
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CSC, Just checked with my mother in law, the teacher you had was my husband's auntie! Then about twenty years later in the eighties my mother in law also taught cooking there for a while!
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my custard has improved since then from the dumfries and galloway standard intimations sept 1854 at the royal infirmary edinburgh on the 12th current george vivers late bacon curer annan friends and relatives are desired to accept of this notice csc
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this is a bit interesting caerlaverock monumental inscriptions in memory of robert and francis hutchison who died 1st february 1826 aged 1 year and 3 months sons of robert hutchison in kelwoodburn also william hutchison his son who died 1st june 1832 in the 4th year of his age also robert francis his son who died 16th august 1847aged 20 yearsand 9months also mary vivers their grandmother who died 28th october 1830 aged 79 years also rachel henderson her daughter who died 25th may 1831 aged 39 years also sarah henderson his spouse who died at racks 25th february 1862 aged 69 years also said robert hutchison who died at racks 22nd april 1876 aged 86 years post 1855 inscriptions csc
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That is very interesting csc!! We now know when Mary was born, she would have been the second child of Richard and Elizabeth. Do you have access to Ancestry.co.uk? I just finished my subscription, but when I typed her dates in my Family Tree Maker program, a match was found with an Alexander Jardine, grocer, spirit dealer. Could be interesting to follow up?
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yes will have a look when i come from work i know a little bit about the hutchison family i was quite happy with that find i wonder what the other inscriptions on the grave are i really thought they might be in dalton do you know anything about caerlaverock i have only been once to a friends funeral csc
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the reason i first looked at francis henderson was my 4x grandad francis kerr was francis henderson kerr his brother robert henderson kerr and now my grannys sister was jeannie hutchison kerr i think francis hendersons father might be named robert csc
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sorry, I know nothing of Caerlaverock...
the other inscriptions, all these people seem to appear in this same tree on ancestry.co.uk, the one I cannot access.
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are you talking about alexander jardine grocer englis st dumfries 1851 census alexander 27 born lanarkshire janet 26 nr dumfries james 2 1848 marriage registered in dumfries and torthorwald 11/04/1848 janet death 1904janet mckenna or jardine widow of alexander jardine provisions 2 james mckenna grocer father james hastie dec mother elizabeth hastie m/s graham dec address is stoop dumfries witness james rae grandson irish street dumfries csc
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It could be this Jardine...? Just that my FTM program showed that Mary and her daughters Henderson somehow have a link to this tree of Alexander...unfortunately cannot access it since my subscription expired...
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on the 1851 census janets parents are still alive her father is a weaver born dumfries abt 1795 her mother is supposed to come from mouswald i wonder why their marriage is reg botn torthorwald and dumfries csc
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Hi Ingrid and csc
Just catching up with all the work you've been doing. So it looks like my gggg grandmother, Mary Vivers is buried at Caerlaverlock, especially since one of her daughters is a Henderson.
I'll have to go and absorb all this info
Thanks
Jean :)
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Hastings found this on Ancestry, the tree of Alexander Jardine, and ties in with the MI of csc:
Mary VIVERS b 1751 d 28 Oct 1830 Caerlaverock. No father or mother. No spouse.
Children: Rachel HENDERSON 1792 - 25 May 1831 [No more}
Sarah HENDERSON 1793 Dalton - 25 Feb 1862 Racks.
Husband Robert HUTCHINSON b 5 June 1794 Mousewold d 22 April 1876 Racks
5 children: Elizabeth abt 1820 [no more], Robert 1826 d as infant 1 Feb, Francis 1826 d as infant,Kelwoodburn, Robert Francis 1826 - 16 Aug 1847 Caerlaverock,
William 1829 - 1 June 1832 Caerlaverock.
Apparently none of these appear to be connected to anyone else in the tree. Jean, is it Elizabeth who will be your great great etc. grandmother?
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Jean, silly me, just reading your old posts...it is Ann, Mary's daughter, you're related to.
And with csc's children's info, first son Thomas...second son Richard, wasn't it the custom in those days to call the first son after the father's father and the second son after the mother's father? Which ties in with my initial guess of Mary being Richard's daughter.
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Hi Ingrid
Yes there was a naming tradition which many families I've researched appear to have followed, there is so much info here I still need to absorb who's who :) but there seems to be a possibility that the Mary in the inscription is 'my' Mary on the basis that she has two Henderson daughters and is the right age to be Ann Henderson's mother.
If she is 'my' Mary Vivers then my ggg grandmother Ann Henderson would be a sister to Rachel and Sarah and an aunt to Sarah's children but unfortunately there is no proof of this. I suppose a lot depends on how unusual the name Vivers would have been in the area during the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I know I have no proof but maybe all this info will lead me to some eventually!
Jean :)
ps I'm assuming that Sarah married Robert Hutchison
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Hi Jean
yes, the name Vivers was very unusual, and it was Richard who brought the name up from England to Scotland. It is still unusual, apparently there is only one Vivers per million people ;)
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Thanks Ingrid
It's so much easier with an unusual name :) :)
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death cert for sarah hutchison 1862 february 25th sarah hutchison 69 married to robert hutchison ag lab father francis henderson farmer dec.mother mary henderson m/s vivers decay of nature 10 days winess robert hutchison his x mark csc
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oooooh csc thank you thank you, this is the confirmation that my ggg gran Ann and Sarah were sisters ;D ;D
Ingrid it looks like your husband and I are maybe sixth cousins or some such :)
csc does this mean we are also connected to your family through the Hutchisons?
Jean
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robert hutcihson was the son of robert hutchison /margaret swan torthorwald i should have some info about margaret swan among all my swan stuff robert vivers wife catherine was the daughter of george adamson farmer and agnes armstrong born dalton csc
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1851 census ann blyth widow 65 high street moffat she has 3 grandchildren with her robert grieve 5 born moffat jean menzies 13 born crawford francis menzies 11 born crawford how nice he is francis csc
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nice he is francis
Yes, the name Francis continued into the 20th century in the Blyth family. Robert and Ann Blyth also called one of their daughter's Mary.
Jean
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its amazing how many families are linked up here i like torthorwald stuff csc
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Robert Vivers wife Catherine was widowed before, her first married name was Dickson. Both this Dickson and Robert Vivers were bacon curers. There is a George Dickson, stepson of Robert V. Robert and Catherine had one child together: William, who later moved to Dornock.
The name Vivers makes it partly easy being unusual, but it got misspelt very often: in the IGI index there is even Vivres. Then in the census there was a Vovers etc. The Canonbie people that moved to Australia turned it into Veivers etc.
CSC: names I typed in was Mary V, Sarah Henderson and Robert Hutchison.
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Hi
Could I ask who Robert Vivers was, a son of Richard? Sorry if this is explained earlier in the thread, I'm going to go through the IGI later and try and sort out some of the relationships :)
Jean
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Just very brief tree: so it all starts with Richard, who has about 7 kids (that I know about). Eldest son William, then your Mary, then some more. William has got lots of kids too, of which Thomas is interesting, as his offspring emigrated all over the world. Then William, who was the first Vivers to go to Australia to farm there, and their youngest brother is Robert V, baconcurer at Collin, I believe Town Head ? His son William moved to Dornock.
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Thanks Ingrid
I've now found Robert and his wife in the 1851 census, a farmer at Collin, Townhead. I also noticed that there is a Thomas Vivers in Annan who is a pauper, (former farmer and pork curer), and a John Vivers who's in jail!
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Yes, Thomas. That's the Thomas who has quite an interesting legacy, with offspring in America, Australia and possibly South Africa. He would have been a nephew to your Mary. That John Vivers in jail, I went to the Edinburgh Archives to find out about his crime. They did have the Dumfries jail book but I couldn't find him in the time I had.
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being described as a pauper is the way it was spoken in those days when a person could not work any more they got parish relief or their family kept them it says pauper on a couple of my kerrs but i know they worked when they were fit csc
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Thanks csc, it's more like he was retired then. He was a lodger in a household, possibly one of his daughters.
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Robert Vivers wife Catherine was widowed before, her first married name was Dickson. Both this Dickson and Robert Vivers were bacon curers. There is a George Dickson, stepson of Robert V. Robert and Catherine had one child together: William, who later moved to Dornock.
The name Vivers makes it partly easy being unusual, but it got misspelt very often: in the IGI index there is even Vivres. Then in the census there was a Vovers etc. The Canonbie people that moved to Australia turned it into Veivers etc.
CSC: names I typed in was Mary V, Sarah Henderson and Robert Hutchison.
Hello, I have just joined rootschat and I have been reading this thread with great interest. I am not sure if you are interested but the Catherine who married Robert Vivers was first married to John Dickson and her maiden name was Adamson. I have found 3 children by that marriage.
Catherine was the daughter of George Adamson and Agnes Armstrong. She was b. 20 Jul 1795 at Collin, Dumfries. George Adamson was the son of John Adamson and Janet Dickson.
Catherine was the sister of my great great grandfather Francis Adamson. My great grandfather being Thomas Thomson Adamson who migrated to Australia, married a descendant of a convict, Mary Eyles and had amongst others my grandmother Flora May Adamson.
There are a lot of Lintons, Jardines, Dinwiddies, in my Adamson family and Thomas Thomson was born at a farm called the Isle of Dalton, in Dalton. Francis Adamson was an elder of the Church at Dalton for about 20 years.
I have more info. if anyone is interested.
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Hi again
Kirklandrigg is not in the village of Dalton is a few miles from their and on the Murraythwaite Estate. There are three cottages there and it is possible that years ago it was a farm as there are farm buildings but when I was living in that area the estate used the buildings for storeage. The cottages are let out now and I don't know of anyone left who would be able to help. I will make enquiries as I sometimes come in contact with the people who own Murraythwaite Estate now and maybe they can check this out for me.
Kathleen
Kathleen I am trying to find where a farm called the Isle of Dalton might be, and ultimately obtain a picture if one is available. In the prior post I showed my Adamson family. 1861 census shows his father Francis is a farmer at Isle of Dalton 122 acre farm.
Francis had another son Robert who wrote poems and he wrote one about where he grew up and it sounds like it might be the ruins you are talking about down by the river Annan. It is a lengthy poem but it has this at the start:
NEAR the side of yon stream that runs through the
valley,
And calmly flows into a river so clear,
Stood the house which was home in the days of our childhood,
And where we resided for many a long year.
etc etc etc and goes on to say
To spend a bit time at the wee “water mill.”
his handsome wee structure was made by a miller,
Who lived at a village not far from the Isle
etc etc etc and goes on to say
The house is pulled down and the mill is forsaken,
And now we’re removed from the scenes of our birth.
We have lately removed to a place called Collin,
Robert Adamson described his home thus: With reference to a farm called the Isle of Dalton, situated on a beautiful spot not far from the Dalton Burn, and about half-a-mile from the village of Dalton.
Can anyone help with this please.
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Hello
The Isle of Dalton was one of our neighbouring farms when I stayed at Dalton. The owner then was a Thomas McWilliam after his death his son John took it over but unfortunately he has now passed away and the farm was bought over by a private investor and he has the farm house let out. It is sad to see it now the house and particularly the farm buildings have been left to fall down.
There was a family called Adamson lived near Dalton village his name was George Adamson and he was the foreman forester for one of the estates. I will have a look and see if I have or can find any photographs of the Isle of Dalton and see if I can come up with more information about the Adamson family and get back to you
Regards
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen, thank you so much for replying so quickly. How sad about the Isle of Dalton it would have been lovely to know that it stood in good order and repair.
I have many George Adamson's in my line. Thomas Thomson's brother George came to Australia when he did. John Adamson b. 1705 was a Tenant Farmer on Marquis of Queensberry's Estate and a Stonemason. I don't know how long he was there.
I look forward to hearing from you and if there are any photos I would be thrilled to see them.
Many thanks again. Cheers Julie
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Hello Milliebr
Thank you for your addition! My husband descends from Robert and Catherine's son William. I believe that Catherine's first husband worked with Robert? I have seen something for a Dickson and Vivers bacon curer's business.
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I googled Vivers and found that there is a lamb and offal business in the Dumfries area
Jean :)
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It would appear that the business has survived all these years. If you go to http://www.top500.de/details/462/vivers_scotland_limited_united_kingdom.php it gives details.
It would not have been unusual for my Catherine Adamson to have married a man in this business as her father had a farm and no doubt raised pigs there.
Oh how I love my Scottish heritage, rich and full of history. Thank you for the tit bits as it all goes to make my ancestors real.
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Hi, I am finding this thread so interesting as am linked through my GGGG grandmother Mary Vivers.
I have been working on the Vivers in Australia,a summary of this being William Vivers b1794 son of William b1745 goes to Australia in 1822.In 1824 he sets up a farm (Murthat).He is joined later by two of his nephews,sons of Thomas b1785 these being William b1832 & Thomas b1831.
William b1794 later expands to become Kings Plains station which passes on to Thomas & William.It is still going today,although it has been broken up over the years.
If anyone would like me to share the rest of these Aussie Vivers drop me a PM and I will happily email
whatever I can.
There is a lot to take in from this thread,what with all these Williams !!!
So much fascinating info to absorb.
Cheers
Paul
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I found the following record of Francis Henderson at Kirklandrig in the Farm Horse Tax Rolls 1797-98
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/historical-tax-rolls/farm-horse-tax-rolls-1797-1798/farm-horse-tax-1797-1798-volume-02/164#zoom=3&lat=2008.09414&lon=1164.84726&layers=B
Please let me know if the link doesn't work.
Pauline
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Thanks pollyman , Francis Henderson was my gggg grandfather so this is very interesting to me :)
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Thanks from me also,Francis is also my GGGG great grandfather
Paul
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My 5x great-grandfather was also a Francis Henderson so perhaps there is a family connection. He was the husband of Agnes Muir and his son, John, who was born in Kirkmichael in 1790 was my 4x great-grandfather. My own father was born at Mill Cottage, Murraythwaite which is in the same area as Francis farmed.
Pauline
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Was your Francis Henderson married to Mary Vivers? They married in 1777 in Dalton, their daughter Ann, is my ggg grandmother
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Purplekat,yes my Francis was married to Mary Vivers 1777 Dalton,my connection is through their son Richard born 1780 Dalton.Guess that makes us 3rd cousins!!
Paul
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Hi Paul
Looking at my notes Richard was born 26th March 1780, ann was born on 27th June 1784, she married Robert Blyth and moved to Moffat, Dumfriesshire. I have sent you a couple of pm's :)
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Hi
I saw this thread about Richard Vivers and joined Rootschat to contribute (if possible). I know it's a very old thread so may not get any response.
I'm descended from Richard Vivers b1705 through his son Richard Vivers b1757 and his son Richard Vivers b1781. I have a transcription from a family bible which mentions that Richard Vivers b1705 was from Yorkshire and died at Murthat farm October 1790. I wasn't aware of any of his other children until I read this thread tonight, but as far as I've worked out based on your info his children are
1; William born 1745
2; Mary born 1751
3&4; Jennet born 1757 and richard born 1757 - are they twins?
There's also mention of 3 more but not named? possibly a Thomas?
Richard 1757 married Agnes Irving and I have a record of 5 children. Happy to share any of the details I have, I just wish they'd been more imaginative with the names!
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Hi Kaypo, welcome to Rootschat
My name is Jean, I started this thread and I am descended from Richard Vivers through his daughter Mary born 1751. I will check through my records tomorrow, on my tablet just now but I think the other are Thomas, Robert, Sarah and Ann but I will check this and along with the birth years tomorrow after work.
It's good to hear from you.
Regards
Jean
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Thanks Jean, grateful for any help and advice. I've only recently started looking at the family tree but am finding it quite addictive!
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Its certainly addictive ;D
As it happened I haven't had time tonight to look at my notes but I will get back to you on this and would be happy to swap info and give you any help and advice I can :)
Jean