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Hi
I am new to this. Per my late fathers South Australian birth cetificate, his father, Alfred John Wright was born Kingshorpe Northamptonshire (approx. June 1865).
When I searched on findmypast.co.uk, birth index I found 4 possible Alfred Wrights, however the subregisters/districts shown were:
Edmonton
Leek
Wycombe, and
Stepney.
I am in Australia, and do not know if any of these locations could be close to Kingsthorpe in Northamtonshire.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Daryl
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Hi and Welcome
Do you know what year the Wright family came out to Australia from the UK?
What was the name of Alfred John Wright's wife and did they marry in the UK or overseas?
Wendy
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Hi Wendy
My grandfather died years before I was born, and my knowledge of him and my grandmother was passed onto me verbally by my late father.
Alfred joined the Royal Navy as a teenager, however I can find no matching records on the National Archives website.
Left the navy and ended up in Australia, on the Orlando??
Met and married my grandmother in South Australia. She was of German origin.
My father had told me Alfred was born at sea (Irish Sea), however on dad's birth certificate it says he was born in Kingsthorpe.
My father said Alfred had a Scottish accent?
All a bit of a mystery with alot of conflicting information?
Regards
Daryl
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Hi Daryl
Certainly a mystery. I've looked on the UK census but can't see a suitable candidate.
I did see this website that shows the time frame of the HMS Orlando which could be the ship that you refered to
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_orlando.htm
Do you have access to your grandparents marriage cert?
What was your father's name? I'm only asking incase there is a naming pattern.
Wendy
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Wendy
Thanks for the link to the Orlando. This may give time frame for when he came to Australia.
I will try to get my grandparents' marriage certificate from South Australia. This may give more information?
My dad's name was Kenneth George Wright.
Thanks for your help. I will post additional information when available from the marriage certificate.
Daryl
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I forgot to mention in last post, that my father's elder (not the oldest) brother was also named Alfred.
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Hi Daryl
Do you know Grandmother's name ? And which part of South Australia the family was in?
Cheers
AMBLY
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HI Daryl
Thanks for the extra info. I'll check back in when you there is an update to the known info.
Wendy
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Hi Ambly
My grandmother's maiden name was Ida Mary Przibilla. Per my fathers birth certificate she was born in Farrells Flat, South Australia in about 1875, and they were married in 1899.
They settled in Peterborough, South Australia where my father was born. Both died in Adelaide, South Australia.
I understand that, Peterborough is also a town in Northamptonshire.
Regards
Daryl
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Hi Daryl.
People did not always know where they were born, often they would give their birth place as the earliest place they remembered living, with this in mind I suggest you take a look at the family living in 1871 in Crispin Street, St Sepulchre, Northampton RG10 piece 1483 folio 97 page 3
When entering Crispin Street and Kingsthorpe into a map the distance is shown as half a mile, suggesting that this is your family.
They have a son Alfred J aged five born in Bermondey, there is a birth of Alfred John WRIGHT in 1865, Sept. quarter, Bermondsey, vol 1d, page 90 which is likely to be your Alfred who you say was born about June 1865. You have six weeks in which register a birth, so it would not be unusual for someone born in late May or in June to appear in the September quarter.
Jebber
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Thanks Jebba
You seem to have solved the first part of the puzzle.
The next problem I have is that the only Royal Navy record I can find relates to an Alfred John Wright, born in 1863, at St Marys, Northampton.
It is possible he lied about his age. Do you know if St Marys, is close to the other areas we have found?
Thanks Again
Daryl
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Hi Daryl,
Yes, it is quite possible he lied about his age, it was often done.
There are several St. Mary's but one shows as being very close, Kingsthorpe and Crispin Street all within one to one and a half miles of each other.
I think there is a strong chance that it is your Alfred's Naval record.
Jebber
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Thanks
I will next order his marriage certificate, to try and confirm some more facts.
Daryl
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Baptism of Alfred John Wright....
born 24 july 1865
bapt 20 Aug 1865
Alfred John Wright father Charles currier of 55 Albert Street.
mother Mary Ann
Tazzie
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St Mary's CofE church was founded in 1875 from when the first parish registers exist. Previously the parish was part of Hardingstone parish which stretched right up to the river Nene in Northampton. However if he was brought up in that area he would have thought of it as being St Mary's, although it was more usually known as Far Cotton or Cotton End. It was within a mile of the centre of the town to the south while Kingsthorpe is about two miles to the north. Crispin Street is in what I regard as the centre of the town but strictly about half a mile north of All Saints Church which most people regard as the actual centre.
There are of course other churches of St Mary in Northamptonshire. Some of the internet sites will confuse you by calling Northamptonshire Northampton meaning the county of Northampton.
None of the other places that you mentioned are anywhere near Northampton.
Kingsthorpe is today part of the town of Northampton the greater part of it being incorporated in 1900. The rest became part of Moulton.
Peterborough was part of Northamptonshire but moved to Cambridgeshire at the end of the 20th century.
David
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Thank you all so much for your help. I had come to a dead end. I have identified my grandfather, and found that he was born in London.
What is spooky is that my family and I visited London two years ago(we live in Brisbane, Australia), and of all the places we picked to rent an apartment was about 200m from where my grandfather lived at the time of his christening, and at this stage I assume where he was born. We quite randomly picked a convenient place over the net.
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What is spooky is that my family and I visited London two years ago(we live in Brisbane, Australia), and of all the places we picked to rent an apartment was about 200m from where my grandfather lived at the time of his christening, and at this stage I assume where he was born. We quite randomly picked a convenient place over the net.
He was obviously up there somewhere guiding you to the right place ;D
Carol
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Spooky sometimes.....
Years ago before I married future hubby and I went to London. South of the Thames we found Hays Galleria and its shops it was a wierd feeling as it all felt so warm. Only years later when I started this little hobby did I find that my 5x great grandfather was the wharfinger at the original Hay wharf that used to be on the site.......had I "come home".... :o
Tazzie
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Baptism of Alfred John Wright....
born 24 july 1865
bapt 20 Aug 1865
Alfred John Wright father Charles currier of 55 Albert Street.
mother Mary Ann
Tazzie
Marriage in South Australia
WRIGHT Alfred John 34 years Status Single Father Charles WRIGHT
PRZIBILLA Ida Mary Elizabeth 24 years Status Single Father Johann Gottlieb PRZIBILLA
21 Sep 1899
At the residence of brides parents Mannanarie District Fro 200/1121
I will try to get my grandparents' marriage certificate from South Australia
Transcriptions of certificates are available in South Australia and are certainly cheaper than purchasing a certified certificate. Same information.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.msg1367795.html#msg1367795
South Australian certificates do not have as much information as other states of Australia ie Qld, NSW,Vic and WA, eg info on marriage certificates in the period 1868 to 1907 -
Date and Place of Marriage
Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages and Rank
Condition
Trade
Residence
Father's names
Information on all certificates in SA
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
Cheers
Cando
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I believe that I maybe related. My Great Grandmother was Eliza Kathleen Wenitong who married an Alfred John Wright from S.A.
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Hi
My late after Kenneth George Wright, talked about Kath the wife of his older brother Alf.
Unfortunately I never met Alf or Kath, although we lived so close in Brisbane.
Regards
Daryl
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I would say that would have been my Great Grandmother Eliza Kathleen. I have very little information down the Wright side of the family. I've been tracking down my Great Grandmothers side, The Wenitongs.
Let me know if there is anything I can help with.
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Kathleen Wright was sister to Lionel Robert June Raechel James Wenitong and married a Wright
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Thanks SharonY, did you ever meet Kathleen? Would love to know anything about her. My fam has very limited info about her.
Thanks
Telan
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Hi Daryl.
People did not always know where they were born, often they would give their birth place as the earliest place they remembered living, with this in mind I suggest you take a look at the family living in 1871 in Crispin Street, St Sepulchre, Northampton RG10 piece 1483 folio 97 page 3
When entering Crispin Street and Kingsthorpe into a map the distance is shown as half a mile, suggesting that this is your family.
They have a son Alfred J aged five born in Bermondey, there is a birth of Alfred John WRIGHT in 1865, Sept. quarter, Bermondsey, vol 1d, page 90 which is likely to be your Alfred who you say was born about June 1865. You have six weeks in which register a birth, so it would not be unusual for someone born in late May or in June to appear in the September quarter.
Jebber
The offical GRO indexes now give the mothers maiden name on all births.
So it looks like Alfred's mum's maiden name was Clay.
WRIGHT, ALFRED JOHN mmn CLAY
GRO Reference: 1865 Sept Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY
Volume 1D Page 90
And his parents marriage...
Marriages Jun 1861
Clay Mary Hannah Elizabeth in Newington 1d 210
Wright Charles in Newington 1d 210