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Title: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Saturday 19 December 09 06:13 GMT (UK)
Hi
I am new to this.  Per my late fathers South Australian birth cetificate, his father, Alfred John Wright was born Kingshorpe Northamptonshire (approx. June 1865).
When I searched on findmypast.co.uk, birth index I found 4 possible Alfred Wrights, however the subregisters/districts shown were:
Edmonton
Leek
Wycombe, and
Stepney.
I am in Australia, and do not know if any of these locations could be close to Kingsthorpe in Northamtonshire.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Daryl
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: winston on Saturday 19 December 09 06:42 GMT (UK)
Hi and Welcome


Do you know what year the Wright family came out to Australia from the UK?

What was the name of Alfred John Wright's wife and did they marry in the UK or overseas?

Wendy


Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Saturday 19 December 09 07:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Wendy
My grandfather died years before I was born, and my knowledge of him and my grandmother was passed onto me verbally by my late father.

Alfred joined the Royal Navy as a teenager, however I can find no matching records on the National Archives website.
Left the navy and ended up in Australia, on the Orlando??
Met and married my grandmother in South Australia.  She was of German origin.
My father had told me Alfred was born at sea (Irish Sea), however on dad's birth certificate it says he was born in Kingsthorpe.
My father said Alfred had a Scottish accent?

All a bit of a mystery with alot of conflicting information?

Regards
Daryl
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: winston on Saturday 19 December 09 07:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Daryl

Certainly a mystery.  I've looked on the UK census but can't see a suitable candidate.

I did see this website that shows the time frame of the HMS Orlando which could be the ship that you refered to

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_orlando.htm


Do you have access to your grandparents marriage cert?

What was your father's name?  I'm only asking incase there is a naming pattern.


Wendy
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Saturday 19 December 09 07:46 GMT (UK)
Wendy

Thanks for the link to the Orlando.  This may give time frame for when he came to Australia.

I will try to get my grandparents' marriage certificate from South Australia.  This may give more information?

My dad's name was Kenneth George Wright.


Thanks for your help.  I will post additional information when available from the marriage certificate.

Daryl
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Saturday 19 December 09 07:53 GMT (UK)
I forgot to mention in last post, that my father's elder (not the oldest) brother was also named Alfred.
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: AMBLY on Saturday 19 December 09 07:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Daryl

Do you know Grandmother's name ? And which part of South Australia the family was in?

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: winston on Saturday 19 December 09 08:02 GMT (UK)
HI Daryl

Thanks for the extra info.  I'll check back in when you there is an update to the known info.

Wendy
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Saturday 19 December 09 08:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Ambly

My grandmother's maiden name was Ida Mary Przibilla.  Per my fathers birth certificate she was born in Farrells Flat, South Australia in about 1875, and they were married in 1899.

They settled in Peterborough, South Australia where my father was born.  Both died in Adelaide, South Australia.

I understand that, Peterborough is also a town in Northamptonshire.

Regards
Daryl
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Jebber on Saturday 19 December 09 09:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Daryl.

People  did not always know where they were born, often they would give their birth place as the earliest place they remembered living, with this in mind I  suggest you take a look at the family living in 1871 in  Crispin Street, St Sepulchre, Northampton RG10 piece 1483 folio 97 page 3

When entering Crispin Street and Kingsthorpe into a map the distance is shown as half a mile, suggesting that this is your family.

They have a son Alfred J aged five born in Bermondey, there is a birth of Alfred John WRIGHT in 1865, Sept. quarter, Bermondsey, vol 1d, page 90 which is likely to be your Alfred who you say was born about June 1865. You have six weeks in which register a birth, so it would not be unusual for someone born in late May or in June to appear in the September quarter.

Jebber
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Saturday 19 December 09 10:29 GMT (UK)
Thanks Jebba
You seem to have solved the first part of the puzzle.
The next problem I have is that the only Royal Navy record I can find relates to an Alfred John Wright, born in 1863, at St Marys, Northampton.

It is possible he lied about his age.  Do you know if St Marys, is close to the other areas we have found?

Thanks Again
Daryl
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Jebber on Saturday 19 December 09 12:36 GMT (UK)
Hi Daryl,

Yes, it is quite possible he lied about his age, it was often done.

There are several St. Mary's but one shows as being very close,  Kingsthorpe and Crispin Street all within one to one and a half miles of each other.

I think there is a strong chance that it is your Alfred's Naval record.

Jebber
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Saturday 19 December 09 13:00 GMT (UK)
Thanks
I will next order his marriage certificate, to try and confirm some more facts.
Daryl
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: tazzie on Saturday 19 December 09 14:50 GMT (UK)



    Baptism of Alfred John Wright....

  born 24 july 1865
  bapt 20 Aug 1865
  Alfred John Wright    father Charles     currier of 55 Albert Street.
                                    mother Mary Ann

    Tazzie
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: behindthefrogs on Saturday 19 December 09 15:27 GMT (UK)
St Mary's CofE church was founded in 1875 from when the first parish registers exist. Previously the parish was part of Hardingstone parish which stretched right up to the river Nene in Northampton.  However if he was brought up in that area he would have thought of it as being St Mary's, although it was more usually known as Far Cotton or Cotton End.  It was within a mile of the centre of the town to the south while Kingsthorpe is about two miles to the north.  Crispin Street is in what I regard as the centre of the town but strictly about half a mile north of All Saints Church which most people regard as the actual centre.

There are of course other churches of St Mary in Northamptonshire.  Some of the internet sites will confuse you by calling Northamptonshire Northampton meaning the county of Northampton.

None of the other places that you mentioned are anywhere near Northampton.

Kingsthorpe is today part of the town of Northampton the greater part of it being incorporated in 1900.  The rest became part of Moulton.

Peterborough was part of Northamptonshire but moved to Cambridgeshire at the end of the 20th century.

David
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Sunday 20 December 09 12:39 GMT (UK)
Thank you all so much for your help.  I had come to a dead end.  I have identified my grandfather, and found that he was born in London. 

What is spooky is that my family and I visited London two years ago(we live in Brisbane, Australia), and of all the places we picked to rent an apartment was about 200m from where my grandfather lived at the time of his christening, and at this stage I assume where he was born.  We quite randomly picked a convenient place over the net.
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 20 December 09 12:50 GMT (UK)

What is spooky is that my family and I visited London two years ago(we live in Brisbane, Australia), and of all the places we picked to rent an apartment was about 200m from where my grandfather lived at the time of his christening, and at this stage I assume where he was born.  We quite randomly picked a convenient place over the net.

He was obviously up there somewhere guiding you to the right place  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: tazzie on Sunday 20 December 09 13:07 GMT (UK)



  Spooky sometimes.....

  Years ago before I married future hubby and I went to London. South of the Thames we found Hays Galleria and its shops it was a wierd feeling as it all felt so warm. Only years later when I started this little hobby did I find that my 5x great grandfather was the wharfinger at the original Hay wharf that used to be on the site.......had I "come home".... :o

  Tazzie
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: cando on Wednesday 21 December 11 22:46 GMT (UK)



    Baptism of Alfred John Wright....

  born 24 july 1865
  bapt 20 Aug 1865
  Alfred John Wright    father Charles     currier of 55 Albert Street.
                                    mother Mary Ann

    Tazzie

Marriage in South Australia
WRIGHT Alfred John 34 years  Status Single  Father Charles WRIGHT
PRZIBILLA Ida Mary Elizabeth  24 years Status Single  Father Johann Gottlieb PRZIBILLA
21 Sep 1899
At the residence of brides parents Mannanarie   District Fro 200/1121

Quote
I will try to get my grandparents' marriage certificate from South Australia
Transcriptions of certificates are available in South Australia and are certainly cheaper than purchasing a certified certificate.  Same information.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.msg1367795.html#msg1367795

South Australian certificates do not have as much information as other states of Australia ie Qld, NSW,Vic and WA, eg info on marriage certificates in the period 1868 to 1907 -
    Date and Place of Marriage
    Bride and Bridegrooms Names, Ages and Rank
    Condition
    Trade
    Residence
    Father's names

Information on all certificates in SA
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: wenitong? on Friday 17 February 12 14:29 GMT (UK)
I believe that I maybe related. My Great Grandmother was Eliza Kathleen Wenitong who married an Alfred John Wright from S.A.
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: Alwayswright on Friday 17 February 12 21:45 GMT (UK)
Hi
My late after Kenneth George Wright, talked about Kath the wife of his older brother Alf.

Unfortunately I never met Alf or Kath, although we lived so close in Brisbane.

Regards
Daryl
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: wenitong? on Saturday 18 February 12 09:25 GMT (UK)
I would say that would have been my Great Grandmother Eliza Kathleen. I  have very little information down the Wright side of the family. I've been tracking down my Great Grandmothers side, The Wenitongs.

Let me know if there is anything I can help with.
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: sharony on Monday 19 February 18 23:33 GMT (UK)
Kathleen Wright was sister to Lionel Robert June Raechel James Wenitong and married a Wright
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: wenitong? on Sunday 04 March 18 07:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks SharonY, did you ever meet Kathleen? Would love to know anything about her. My fam has very limited info about her.
Thanks
Telan
Title: Re: Stuck finding Alfred Wright
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 04 March 18 09:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Daryl.

People  did not always know where they were born, often they would give their birth place as the earliest place they remembered living, with this in mind I  suggest you take a look at the family living in 1871 in  Crispin Street, St Sepulchre, Northampton RG10 piece 1483 folio 97 page 3

When entering Crispin Street and Kingsthorpe into a map the distance is shown as half a mile, suggesting that this is your family.

They have a son Alfred J aged five born in Bermondey, there is a birth of Alfred John WRIGHT in 1865, Sept. quarter, Bermondsey, vol 1d, page 90 which is likely to be your Alfred who you say was born about June 1865. You have six weeks in which register a birth, so it would not be unusual for someone born in late May or in June to appear in the September quarter.

Jebber

The offical GRO indexes now give the mothers maiden name on all births.

So it looks like Alfred's mum's maiden name was Clay.

WRIGHT, ALFRED  JOHN     mmn CLAY     
GRO Reference: 1865  Sept Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY 
Volume 1D  Page 90

And his parents marriage...

Marriages Jun 1861   

Clay    Mary Hannah Elizabeth       in Newington    1d   210   

Wright    Charles       in Newington    1d   210