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This is rather a long shot, but I have the forenames of a family whose surname was Hoskins or Hoskings and they were born in the last half of the 1800's. This info was given by my 3rd cousin, but I cant find ANY record of them (apart from a possible marriage for Soloman to Lena Davies) and Im reasonably experienced in family history research. I'd have expected a teensy bit on a couple of them...but nothing. The names I have are Nelson, Mosiah, Soloman, Dinah, Coralina/Coralena, Gilder, Ada, Patience and Esther. We dont know the area they were from but its believed to be either South Wales, Herefordshire, Gloucs, or Worcs. The parents were allegedly John and Mary Ann, I dont know how accurate that info is. Dinah had 10 children and Esther had 16!! Coralina had a daughter named Rosina Jones born 1913 in Newport, Wales but has no marriage record or birth record for Rosina. (My 3rd cousin is Rosina's daughter, hence how I know this). The family may have moved to the Forest of Dean but we dont know when. I'd be grateful if someone could give us any info. ???
Edit: Have just found them with 4 of the children in Parkend, Monmouthshire in 1911! The father of the family, who I was told was John, was down as the initial 'M'.
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Hello I have saved this along the way. Hope it helps- Roser (Westen Australia)
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by prubery , Monday, November 10, 2008, 09:56 (280 days ago) @ romany_star
I am also researching a gypsy HOSKINS/HODGKINS/HODGKISS family, Esther HODGKINS was buried 2 Mar 1888 at Drybrook, residence Lea Bailey (thanks to this wonderful site). Her son Noah was born 14 Jun 1867 at Spetchley, WOR, and his father was given as Thomas BOSWELL, Chair Bottomer and Knife Grinder.
Would love to exchange information with you.
Kind regards
Polly
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Thankyou! It wont be my Esther as her parents were born 1860 give or take a year, so she wouldnt have had a son in 1867. But they could be related.
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hello i can be of some help here the 'dinah' you talk of was my greatgrandmother ...her son william was my grandad , and his son william was my dad ...
gilder still lives in ledbury ...he has 6 or 7 kids and is in his 80s ,
dinah had 10 or 11 kids , gilder is the only living one ...
volie ,had kids married into the bucklands
natty(son) had a familey
you must know some of them being in warwickshire ??
i know who you are talking about lets put it that way.....
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Thankyou Bobby so much for replying to my post. No, I dont know any of them although my great aunt said there is a Warwickshire link, but we've lost touch completely. Now, everyone lives in Newport and Bridgend while I live in Coventry. Are you on Facebook? Do you have any photos of Dinah? There was another sister named Coralina or Coralena who I cant trace, but her daughter Rosina Jones born 1913 is my connection. I havent heard of Volie, although we do have Bucklands in Coventry. Has Gilder ever mentioned his parents or grandparents? Does he say what life was like back then or any family stories?
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Bobby, Gilder is on the 1911 census aged 11. Its now 2010, so he wouldnt be alive. :-\
Edit: This one is Dinah's brother, so definately connected.
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who i know about is dinahs familey onwards she was my grandads mum ...gilder was the youngest of 10 .....my grandad was william ,
they moved around hereford/monmoth area ....
my grandad as 92 and past away this year , my dad was 56 and also past away this year .....
gilder could tell you everything ....about his mum and dad ...he could talk your head off about storys .....
she had 10 children , melie was the oldist girl
my grandad the oldist boy
then there was ,
jimmy
natty
volie
gilder
...i would have to find out the other names ...yes i'm on face book , and i'm very sure uncle gilder has photos , and my granny has some
but i have seen my grandads birthpaper , and his mum was dinha hoskins
and i found interest in the name , as you dont here it much !!
me mum was a penfold !! and me dad was a smith ...
dinha married william 'willie' smith !! them name has been past down over and over , my brother is willam smith
i'm sure there is much more i can tell you !!
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Thanks Bobby, what an amazing family they must have been. The Gilder on the census is Dinahs brother . A shame we're not all so close now. Im on Facebook as Rebekah Markham. There are trillions of Bobby Smiths so I dont know which is you ;D
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Hello, I noticed some of the posts on this page and it rings a bell. I've done a bit of research on the Hodgkins / Hoskins of Warwickshire / Worcestershire / Herefordshire / Gloucestershire, so I'll let you know what I'm fairly certain about. Got much of my information from censuses, birth death marriages, baptisms and marriages records, so I'm pretty certain what I'm saying is correct.
I believe that Solomon, Mosiah (also spelt Maziah) & Gilder (born 1901) were all brothers & the sisters I've found so far in censuses were Esther, Louisa, Violet, Dinah & Edith. They were all children of Maziah HODGKINS / HOSKINS & Mary Ann DAVIS. He wasn;t John, thats why he is in the 1911 census as M. Maziah was born in 1857 in Ledbury district, Herefordshire (registered as Bazire HOSKINS). He was the son of the Esther HODGKINS (died 1888) mentioned by RomanyRoser & so the brother of Noah HODGKINS / HOSKINS. Esthers' husband was Thomas BOSWELL & I could only find them in one census, in 1861 in Upton Bishop, Herefordshire.
Esther & Thomases children were known through their life sometimes as BOSWELL, also HODGKINS also HOSKINS even HASKEN. In all there was Alick or Alec, Sophia (married Daniel COLEMAN), Senty, Maziah, Theana or Tenney (married Moses SMITH), Patience, Susannah, Noah & Matilda. They were born mostly in Herefordshire. I believe Esther was the Esther HODGKINS born in 1829 in Evesham, Worcs, the daughter of Benjamin HODGKINS & Anne DAFFEY. Benjamin was a knife grinder & eldest son of Edward HODGKINS & Penelope ARCHER, my great-great-great-great-grandparents.
I can send more if need be but I'd be grateful for any more on this family and groups of families these Hodgkins / Hoskins. They don;t seem as big a family as others and only from a small area between Warwickshire and Worcestershire. Any ideas on their background or histiry as travelling tinkers in this part of the world would be appreciated by me.
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Thankyou so much for replying. I'll send my email by private message, I'd love to share what I have with you. Yes, those names are all one family as far as Im concerned so we're talking about the same people. I bought Nelsons birth cert as I was told he also was a sibling of the others but on the cert he was illigitimate, his mother was Harriet Hoskins. Im afraid I dont have anything on the Hodgkins name though. I agree, they seemed to frequent a small area of the country and not the Kent/Sussex circuit like many other travellers.
I think the Noah Boswell living in Meriden is related to this family. PS, children I have for Mosiah and Mary Ann are: Ada (married Noah John and had 7 kids), Coralina, Soloman (married Lena Davis), Esther, Dinah, Edith, Gilder born 1900, Mosiah and Patience born 1903. Coralina married a Mr Jones and had girls Rosina (1913) and Dolly. Many of the family didnt have birth/marriage certs. **Could Senty actually be Genty? This name runs in the gypsy side of my family.
My notes on Ada:
Witnessed her brother Nelson's marriage in 1911. The other witness was Louisa John, who I think was related to Ada's husband. On 1911 census with husband and four eldest children at 4 Reeses Terrace, Cwmcarn, Wales. Noah spoke English and Welsh, the rest of the family spoke English. The house had 5 rooms, not including any bathroom.
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Hello, I noticed some of the posts on this page and it rings a bell..
I believe Esther was the Esther HODGKINS born in 1829 in Evesham, Worcs, the daughter of Benjamin HODGKINS & Anne DAFFEY. Benjamin was a knife grinder & eldest son of Edward HODGKINS & Penelope ARCHER, my great-great-great-great-grandparents.
I have also been researching the Hodgkins family from Worcs and have come across some of the names mentioned on here in relation to the line I am interested in.
I have Edward Hodgkins and Penelope Archer noted but nothing on a son of theirs by the name of Benjamin. The children I have for them are Henry, Charles, Thomas, Edward, George, Joseph, Riley, Samuel and Maria. Interestingly, I have Thomas Hodgkins down as marrying a Mary Daffy, daughter of Joseph Daffy and Lucy Roberts. I'm wondering if she would be related to the Anne Daffy you mention in your post. The only sibling I had for her up till now was a brother called Thomas but I've just found a user-generated tree by someone who claims Sarah, Elin, Maria, Alfred and Elizabeth as further siblings, all from Evesham, Worcs.
It would be great to confirm another line of Hodgkins in the area because I have a couple of 'rogue' names floating about in the principal line that interests me and so far I've been unable to find their descendants or tie down how they fit in exactly but it's my belief that they are some sort of cousin who married into 'my' line.
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Hello again. it's HodgkinsFamily here, we;ve already shared some info. I can confirm all those you mention, Charles, Henry, Thomas, Edward, George, Samuel, Joseph, Riley & youngest Maria were all Hodgkins siblings & all children of Edward Hodgkins & Penelope Archer.
There is a record surviving of the 1821 census for Tanworth & Edward & Penelope are listed there with all those children.
Would you be able to help me possibly ? I haven't been able to find much out about Penelope, but I understand there were Archers more down into Oxfordshire & Berkshire who travelling families. Would you know where to start.
There was I believe an eldest son of Edward & Penelope & he was Benjamin Hodgkins, father of Esther Hodgkins who married Thomas Boswell & who were the ancestors of many of the Hoskins of Herefordshire & Worcestershire. Benjamin is not listed on the 1821 census. His first wife was Anne Daffey, one of 3 sisters who married 3 Hodgkins men & all children of Joseph Daffey & Lucy Roberts.
Charles Hodgkins married Harriet Smith of the Jasper Smith Headington Smiths. After Charles died she married Charles Fletcher.
Henry Hodgkins married Elizabeth Cobourne & after Henry died in 1835 Elizabeth married his brother Benjamin.
Thomas is as you mention. The Daffey info can be found through the Mormon IGI & through censuses for Evesham.
Edward Hodgkins married Mary Sherriff, but Edward died young.
George Hodgkins married Sarah Daffey, but George died quite young leaving Sarah & 3 children & she re-married.
Samuel Hodgkins married Mary Hundy.
JOseph Hodgkins married Ann Tolley (my ancestors). I'd be interested to know if anyone has come across any travelling people named Tolley from the Worcestershire / Warwickshire because I think Ann was also from a travelling family.
Riley Hodgkins died young.
Maria Hodgkins married James Lines of a beesom-making travelling family around Warwickshire.
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Hi there my gggg Grandmother was Sara Archer born in West Oxfordshire she married my gggg Grandfather William Clarke from Stow in 1829 in moreton in marsh,the couple went on to have 10 children they travelled around the cotswolds before turning uop in Tetbury in 1841 they then settled for good in moreton in marsh 1851where Sara had family,William was a coal dealer untill he was convicted on 2 seperate occasions for larceny after his sentances he worked selling horses before working as an Ag labourer right up untill he was 74 he died in 1871 leaving Sara a pauper she went to live with her son William and his wife Mary Hudson just outside Stow.I have various records for the Traveller Archer family starting with a gaol record for Saras Dad William Archer discribed as a Travelling peddler the other records i gotfrom parish records they didnt always turn up in the census or always give the right age but maybe you can link your Penelope up to some of them
1851 and 1862 gaol record Henry Archer Hawker
Henry Archer hawker
Ann Archer wife servant
Rueben son stable man
1861 moreton in marsh
Fanny Archer pauper
Thomas Archer horse groom
Joseph Archer horse dealer
1861 stow on the wold
William 51 b Beicester basket maker
Wife? 50 b Stow on the Wold
John son 17 b Stow Ag labourer
1871 Joseph Archer horse groom stow on the wold
1871stow onthe wold
William Archer widower 58 b Beicestershire wood seller
Lilly Archer 3 b Maugersbury
John Archer 39 b Stow
Henry Archer 12 born maugersbury
James Archer 6 b Chipping Norton
Helen step daughter 12 b ?
1881 moreton in marsh
William Archer24 colt breaker
Annie Archer servant
1891 stow on the Wold
Charles Archer 62
William 34
James Archer widower 50
Herny Archer 55
Joseph no age given .(all Ag labourers given as occupation but no record of wives?)
it seems that as a whole the family at different stages travelled between Moreton in marsh,Stow and Maugersbury in gloucs and Beicester and Chipping norton in Oxfordshire settling at times atstow and moreton,i have some more records somewhere which ill dig out hope this has been of some help
kind regards
Daisy
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They were all children of Maziah HODGKINS / HOSKINS & Mary Ann DAVIS. He wasn;t John, thats why he is in the 1911 census as M. Maziah was born in 1857 in Ledbury district, Herefordshire (registered as Bazire HOSKINS).
Esther & Thomases children were known through their life sometimes as BOSWELL, also HODGKINS also HOSKINS even HASKEN. In all there was.....Sophia (married Daniel COLEMAN),
A point of interest in case people want to make a note of it....
Maziah was listed as Macer Hodgkins on the BMD Wedding Records. He married Mary Ann Davis in Q3 of 1878 in Ledbury, Herefordshire and his sister, Sophia is listed on the same page (Ledbury Vol 6a, page 761 - indicating a marriage on the same day) marrying Daniel Colman.
Edited to add...
Q1 1899, Ledbury 6a Page 681 Carol Lina Hodgkins married an Andrew Jones. She's entered twice as Carol Lina and Carolina but I would assume this is the Coralina referred to above.
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This is rather a long shot, but I have the forenames of a family whose surname was Hoskins or Hoskings and they were born in the last half of the 1800's. The names I have are Nelson, Mosiah, Soloman, Dinah, Coralina/Coralena, Gilder, Ada, Patience and Esther.
There is a BMD wedding record on Ancestry for a Esther Hodgkins marrying a Williams Johns in Q4 of 1912 in Hereford - this may be one of yours. Interestingly, the other record on the same page is a David Johns marrying a Harriet Smith so it could have been a joint wedding of relations.
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Hello again. it's HodgkinsFamily here, we;ve already shared some info.
There was I believe an eldest son of Edward & Penelope & he was Benjamin Hodgkins, father of Esther Hodgkins who married Thomas Boswell & who were the ancestors of many of the Hoskins of Herefordshire & Worcestershire. Benjamin is not listed on the 1821 census. His first wife was Anne Daffey,
Henry Hodgkins married Elizabeth Cobourne & after Henry died in 1835 Elizabeth married his brother Benjamin.
Edward Hodgkins married Mary Sherriff, but Edward died young.
Hi again (I really should have put all this in one post but I think sub-consciously I'm a piece worker at heart so think I earn more, the more items I work on).
I've found a 1841 census record in Omberlsey, Worcs with the following people which w/could confirm what you say about Benjamin and his brother's wife, Elizabeth....
Benjamin Hodgkins 1806
Elizabeth Hodgkins 1806
Penelope Hodgkins 1825 (transcribed as Penebaper)
Elizabeth Hodgkins 1826
Maria Hodgkiins 1827
Esther Hodgkins 1829
Solomon Hodgkiins 1832
Emmanuel Hodgkins 1834
Harriet Hodgkins 1838 (transcribed as Hedgham)
Eliza Hodgkiins 1841 (transcribed as Hedgham)
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Edward Hodgkins 1796 (transcribed as Hedgham)
Hannah Hodgkins 1816 (transcribed as Hedgham)
Now, if we know that the Esther listed here is daughter of Benjamin and his first wife Anne Daffey and we know (from previous correspondence, yes?) that Elizabeth and Henry Hodgkins had a daughter called Maria who went on to marry Ambrose Boswell (the line I'm following), it's probable that the Maria listed above is daughter of Elizabeth and step-daughter of Benjamin (the problem being that 1841 census never recorded the precise relation) even though the census gives her birth year as 1827 and I believe we had it down as 1822.
What would be interesting is to find out who the other children listed are off-spring of.... Benjamin and Anne or Elizabeth and Henry as both of them would have brought current children into the new marriage. We can assume that the two youngest are of Elizabeth and Benjamin together.
Any ideas.....?
Oh, and any ideas of who the Edward Hodgkins would be? He is listed as Tinker as is Benjamin but his age doesn't fit that of Benjamin's father and if his brother Edward died young then presumably this wouldn't be him either.
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HI again ScallyW. To start at the end first ! Edward Hodgkins, shown here with his 2nd wife Hannah, is my 4Xgreat-grandfather & as I believe, the father of said Benjamin Hodgkins. I have the death record of bothe Edward & Penelope & I have the marriage record in Tanworth, Warwickshire of Edward & Hannah.
By the way, do you or anyone know of any Romany / traveller connection with the area of Tanworth, Warwickshire ? It seems to be a place our Hodgkins gravitated around, coming back to all the time. It is actually a series of hamlets based around Tanworth, including Warings Green, Earlswood, Hillshaw Heath & Tanworth itself. I'd love to know the significance & possible connection of the lane where the Hodgkins & other related families are often show in censuses : Tinkers Lane. Could it be named after the tinker families who frequented this area ?
For the children in the 1841 census, I have solid evidence of baptism records for all of them & I'll show them as follows :
Penelope Hodgkins chr 23 Jan 1825 St Mary Magdalenes Tanworth dau of Henry & Elizabeth Hodgkins (Henry a Hawker of Salter St, Tanworth)
Elizabeth Hodgkins chr 26 May 1826 Evesham dau of Benjamin & Anne Hodgkins
Maria Hodgkins chr 23 Dec 1827 Tanworth dau of Henry & Elizabeth Hodgkins
Esther Hodgkins chr 25 Feb 1829 Evesham dau of Benjamin & Anne Hodgkins
Solomon Hodgkins born c.1832 (he is a mystery still, no christening record so far & no census record after 1841) - my bet is he is a son of Benjamin & Anne Hodgkins
Emmanuel Hodgkins - born c.1833 probably in Evesham - he appears in 1871, 1891 & 1901 census, but also known as Manuel Hoskins & Emmanuel Hoskins - my bet is he is a son of Benjamin & Anne Hodgkins; mainly because we have records of all of Henry & Elizabeths' children right up to Henrys' death in 1835 & there is no Solomon or Emmanuel.
Harriet Hodgkins chr 21 Jan 1838 Salford, Warwickshire dau of Benjamin & Elizabeth Hodgkins
Eliza Hodgkins chr 24 Jan 1841 Wootton Wawen, Warwickshire dau of Benjamin & Elizabeth Hodgkins
There was also a son of Benjamin & Elizabeth named William Hodgkins, also known as William Hoskins born in 1845. So you're right in my opinion, the children in the census are made up of Benjamin & Elizabeths from each of their first marriages & the final two Harriet & Eliza are their shared daughters.
I believe that Harriet married Henry Loveridge & had some 8 children, however many of the children seem to disappear from census records & BDM records after 1881. Harriet & Henry died in Pontypool, Wales in the 1880s. Eliza married Henry Boswell & seems to have had just one daughter Harriet, of whom there is no record after a marriage record in 1879/1880.
Hope this is soemthing to go on & I hope all the other readers of this topic find something in it & if anyone has any info they'd like to share, particularly about Tanworth or Hodgkins Romanies further back, please join in,
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Hi, its Tamworth I think, not far from me.
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Hi again, no it's definitely Tanworth with an "n", not Tamworth Staffordshire. Tanworth is also known as Tanworth-in-Arden, it's not far from the villages of Henley-in-Arden & Shirley.
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I agree. I've seen Tanworth referenced loads of times in regards to gypsy births, baptisms, etc although that's not to say that Tamworth couldn't have seen some of the action as well as it's not really that far away. Tanworth is very near Kidderminster, Droitwich, Bromsgrove, Stourpourt - all names I've come across time and time again when researching my line of Hodgkins although I'm aware that they moved about freely between Worcs, Warks and Staffs. Maybe back in the day Tanworth didn't have the 'In-arden' suffix on it and that's why when we see just Tanworth written, it's assumed to be Tamworth - and let's be honest, the handwriting on some of the censuses leaves a lot to be desired.
There are various Tinkers Lanes in the area, 2 quite near Tanworth, 1 in Brewood, Staffs, another near Uttoxter. I should think that they all took their names from the people who, in the past, camped there. I can't find, yet, anything specifically about Tanworth and gypsies but I would imagine that it was like a lot of places that come up time and time again with gypsy dealings, just a place that they found comfortable to use. Maybe there was easier camping opportunities, or the settled locals were more open to dealing with them when it came to their services, or there were forests nearby with good hunting and firewood, or there was easy access to rivers/water for their horses, or these places didn't have much in the way of local authorities to bother or hassle the gypsies - who knows! It could have been a combination of all.
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Sophia Boswell/Hoskins married Donald Coleman. They are together on the 1911 census childless, in a tent in Woolhope.
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I'm researching this branch of the Hodgkins as well, wondering if anyone can help me out - I'm looking for dates for the marriages of:
Elizabeth Hodgkins (widow of Henry Hodgkins, son of Edward and Penelope) to Benjamin Hodgkins
Eliza Hodgkins (daur of Benjamin and Elizabeth) to Henry/William? Boswell
Any help gratefully received!!
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oops - also searching for a marriage for:
Maria Hodgkins (bp Tanworth 23/1/1825, daur Henry and Elizabeth) to Ambrose Boswell (bp 1819, son of William and Susanna)
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And(!) ... a marriage for
Esther Hodgkins (bp Evesham All Sts, Wor 25/2/1829) to Thomas Boswell (son of William and Susanna)
Anyone help?? ???
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I’ve been filling out the tree I have on this family and I now have some more questions if anyone has the answers….
Sophia (married Daniel COLEMAN)
Does anyone have any information on Daniel Coleman and his family? The descendant who I’m helping trace their tree comes from 3 different lines of children from Edward and Penelope Hodgkins. Three of her gt gt grandmothers (Esther Hodgkins, Trainet Hodgkins, Maria Hodgkins) were themselves granddaughters of Edward and Penelope. Esther and Maria both married Boswell brothers (Thomas and Ambrose respectively). Ambrose and Maria had Clara Boswell who married Moses Hodgkins, the son of Trainet Hodgkins and her husband Job Hodgkins. Esther & Thomas’s daughter, Sophia, married Daniel Coleman and one of their daughters, Eliza, married my friend’s paternal line of Davies. The son of Moses and Clara, also called Moses married a woman called Silvina Coleman/Butler. We have a copy of the wedding cert and it says her surname is Coleman with her father’s name Joseph Butler. The BMD reg gives two options though… Syvila Coleman and Syvila Butler.
I have enough evidence to prove that the ancestors of both her grandparents travelled together as they show up on census records and witnessed each other’s weddings etc… so I’m trying to work out if Syvila/Silvina Coleman/Butler may have had some family association with Daniel Coleman. I know the Hodgkins/Hoskins are confusing but some of the Coleman’s are barely mentioned at all anywhere as though they came from nowhere!
I believe that Solomon, Mosiah (also spelt Maziah) & Gilder (born 1901) were all brothers & the sisters I've found so far in censuses were Esther, Louisa, Violet, Dinah & Edith. They were all children of Maziah HODGKINS / HOSKINS & Mary Ann DAVIS.
Do you have any info on the family of Mary Ann Davis. As I mentioned before, the line I’m interested in eventually married into a Davis line but we don’t have an awful lot of information on them so it would be nice to find out if they had an extended family that married into the Hodgkins in different eras.
Also, do you have any further details on Violet….? Either a birth year or any marriage details? I have a theory that I would like to look into but need some further details on this person first.
And just so that I’m not always just asking for details…….
For the children in the 1841 census, I have solid evidence of baptism records for all of them & I'll show them as follows :
Elizabeth Hodgkins chr 26 May 1826 Evesham dau of Benjamin & Anne Hodgkins
Solomon Hodgkins born c.1832 (he is a mystery still, no christening record so far & no census record after 1841) - my bet is he is a son of Benjamin & Anne Hodgkins
Emmanuel Hodgkins - born c.1833 probably in Evesham - he appears in 1871, 1891 & 1901 census, but also known as Manuel Hoskins & Emmanuel Hoskins - my bet is he is a son of Benjamin & Anne Hodgkins; mainly because we have records of all of Henry & Elizabeths' children right up to Henrys' death in 1835 & there is no Solomon or Emmanuel.
I don’t know if I discussed this with you in the past but there is another mention of Emmanuel Hodgkins in 1851….
Lower Mitton, Kidderminster, Worcs.
Benjamin Hodgkins Head 68 Abt 1783 Cutler Lawford, Warks
Lurah* Hodgkins Wife 66 Abt 1785 Hawker Northamptonshire
Benjamin Hodgkins Son 26 Abt 1825 Hawker Alcerth, Worcs
Emmanuel Hodgkins Son 18 Abt 1833 Cutler Knowle, Worcs
Elizabeth Hill Dau (M) 24 Abt 1827 Nailer Knowle, Worcs
Ann Hodgkins GDau 4 Abt 1847 Hallow, Worcs
*This seems a bad transliteration of Sarah.
To me, this indicates that he wasn’t the son of Benjamin and Ann but the son of a Benjamin from a previous generation. I would think that this Benjamin (1783) could be a brother to Edward (who married Penelope Archer) as the dates fit that era. Emmanual may have been visiting his cousin, Benjamin (circa 1806), at the time of the 1841census.
But. Also note in the 1851 census, there is mention of an Elizabeth Hodgkins (circa 1827) which fit the dates of the Elizabeth you noted as daughter for Benjamin and Ann. However, if you have positive proof of her parents, it’s not impossible that there were 2 cousins of the same name born roughly in the same period.
Who there isn’t mention of is Solomon but if we take it as given that there was another Hodgkins family knocking around (and why wouldn’t there have been…?) then he could have belonged to that one instead of to Benjamin and Ann.
.... that took quite a bit of time to work out so I'm off for a lie down while I hope for some results...
Regards
ScallyW
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Hello it's Hodgkins Hoskins again ! Firstly could you show where Eliza dau of Sophia Hodgkins & Daniel Coleman comes in ? Do you have info on any other children of Sophia & Daniel that you could share, because all I've found is one baptism of an "Ambrose Coleman" in 1882. There is that 1891 census in Hartlebury which lists "Sophia Hasken" & a number of children but apart from that I've found no more children.
A contact in WA has sent me a photo believed to be of Sophia when she was an older woman. The photo apparently hung in the Crown Inn in Woolhope for many years & the woman in the photo identified as "Sophie" was known in the area as a gifted remedy-maker.
I haven't had much luck tracing the Coleman aka Butler family but there was a Butler aka Davis family around the Forest of Dean in the 1800s (cf "Ambrose Butler" in 1881 / 1901 censuses) who were close to the Hodgkins.
Finally (for now !) re: Emmanuel Hodgkins, there are actually two Emmanuel Hodgkins in census records, one born in Knowle, Warwickshire & one born in Evesham, Worcestershire. Neither seemed to have had children. The other brother Solomon I have found the following for in "findmypast" & also the terrific Forest of Dean family history site :
Solomon HODGKIS buried Ombersley, Worcestershire (near to Hartlebury) 16 Dec 1853 aged 23.
Finally would someone be able to help with the significance of certain areas to these families as certain areas seemed to have been more popular than others, for example Hartlebury & Woolhope in Herefordshire & also the Forest of Dean ? Excuse my ignorance but I'd like to be able to understand what drew the people to certain areas,
Thanks & good luck
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Im lost...very lost... ??? But Mary Ann Davis/Davies lived in Aberkenfig I was told, next door to Samson and Mary Ann Roberts who are my direct ancestors, Romany folki.
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Hello it's Hodgkins Hoskins again ! Firstly could you show where Eliza dau of Sophia Hodgkins & Daniel Coleman comes in ? Do you have info on any other children of Sophia & Daniel that you could share, because all I've found is one baptism of an "Ambrose Coleman" in 1882. There is that 1891 census in Hartlebury which lists "Sophia Hasken" & a number of children but apart from that I've found no more children.
Finally would someone be able to help with the significance of certain areas to these families as certain areas seemed to have been more popular than others, for example Hartlebury & Woolhope in Herefordshire & also the Forest of Dean ? Excuse my ignorance but I'd like to be able to understand what drew the people to certain areas,
Thanks & good luck
Well, perhaps I should have said that I *believe* her to be a daughter of Daniel and Sophia because, at the end of the day, there is scant official evidence for any of this particular family due to their propensity to use different surnames. I'll collate the circunstancial evidence I have which ties in perfectly with family memories and implies yet another surname this lot used in the early 1900's and will be in touch again. Give me some time though as there is a lot of it to sift through.
Regards Hartlebury..... I don't know why gypsies might have started using the area in the first place but I do know that there was a church built on Hartlebury Common by the gypsies at one point and this must have been a huge draw for the people who travelled. I've seen documents written about it and will have to search out the links for you.... I'll send that through with everything else.
While I'm doing that..... I take it you have no further information on Violet Hodgkins / Hoskins....?
Regards
ScallyW
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Havent read all the posts yet sorry if Im repeating whats been said. The only Violet Hoskins I have on my tree got married in April 1911 to Nelson Hoskins, her relation. Violets father was shown as Mazey Hoskins. They were living at Berry Hill, Forest of Dean. I have no children for the couple. Im interested in Nelson's sister Coralena. She 'married' a Mr Jones (would love to know the first name, they didnt have a marriage cert) and had a daughter Rosina in 1913 who never had a birth cert. I used to be in touch with Rosina's daughter in Wales.
* On the 1911 census, Sophia Coleman nee Hoskins (or nee Boswell as she and her siblings used the Hoskins and Boswell names as children) born 1855 stated she had not born any children. She was with her husband in a tent in Hyde Field, Woolhope. Spencer and Emily BUTLER were nearby in a shed, they were travelling rat catchers.
I had thought Esther Hodgkins/Hoskins may be the child of Benjamin Hodgkins and Ann Daffey.
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The only Violet Hoskins I have on my tree got married in April 1911 to Nelson Hoskins, her relation.
In which case, she isn't the one I'm after tying down..... Do you know how exactly Nelson Hoskins was her relation and which line he came from?
* On the 1911 census, Sophia Coleman nee Hoskins (or nee Boswell as she and her siblings used the Hoskins and Boswell names as children) born 1855 stated she had not born any children. She was with her husband in a tent in Hyde Field, Woolhope. Spencer and Emily BUTLER were nearby in a shed, they were travelling rat catchers.
Yes, I've seen this census record and there are inconsistencies that are thrown up. One is the name of the husband who is listed as Donald, not Daniel. Another is, as you say, her claim to have had no children - and this would be a very strange thing to claim, I believe. The other is that in 1891 she lists herself as a Widow. A mystery, to be sure.
I had thought Esther Hodgkins/Hoskins may be the child of Benjamin Hodgkins and Ann Daffey.
I have her down as their daughter, yes.
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Hi
The church at Hartlebury was run by Reuben smith. He had quite a sizeable congregation there in the early 1900's. It was part of the same revival that was instigated by ther more renowned Rodney Smith. The local clergy are reputed to have reneged on a promise to let the Gypsy revival use it.
The church was eventually bought by a Gypsy ( a Loveridge or a Webb) and they converted it into a house.
( Scource Romany Jib)
My Dad picked hops with the Hodgkins family during the forties, the proximity of agricultural work would explain the Gypsy tie with the area. His cousin, a Gregory married a Rosie Hodgkins ( both deceased).
I believe that she was sister to volly and Guilder etc.
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Info for everyone I've dug up from census, BDM, Forest of Dean website on Carolina / Coralina Hodgkins & some of her siblings :
22 F i. Carolina / Coralina HODGKINS / HOSKINS was born circa 1878 in Leominster, Herefordshire and died after 1911.
• Census: 1901, Broadmoor Common, Woolhope. Listed as Carolina JONES aged 22, born Leominster, Herefordshire & living with her husband Andrew JONES aged 32, a Farm Labourer born Woolhope & their children, Mary JONES aged 4, born Woolhope, Hannah JONES aged 2, born Woolhope & Maziah JONES aged 1 month, born Mordiford, Herefordshire.
Note : Carolina was two households away from Sophia & Daniel COLEMAN.
• Census: 1911, Common Hill, Fownhope, Herefordshire. Listed as Corelina JONES aged 32, born Not Known, England & living with her husband Andrew H. JONES aged 42, a Woodman in Coppice Wood born Woolhope & their children, Mary JONES aged 14, born Woolhope, Hannah JONES aged 12, born Woolhope, Marzier JONES aged 10, born Mordiford, Herefordshire, Andrew JONES aged 8, born Woolhope, Edith JONES aged 5, born Hillers Land, Coleford, Gloucestershire & Valentine JONES (dau) aged 1, born Milkwall, Gloucestershire.
Carolina married Andrew JONES in Mar 1899 in Woolhope (Ledbury V.6a P.681). Andrew was born circa 1869 in Woolhope and died between 1911 and 1924.
Marriage Notes: Listed as Carol Lina HODGKINS.
24 F iii. Esther / Hester HODGKINS was born in Sep 1881 in Ledbury (V.6a P.462) and died in Mar 1962 in Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire (V.7b P.562) at age 80.
Birth Notes: Registered as Esther HUTCHKINS.
Death Notes: Listed as Esther JOHNS aged 81.
• Census: 1911, Gipsy Caravans, Mathern, Monmouthshire, Wales. Listed as Esther JOHNS aged 29, born Hereford, married for 9 years & living with her husband William JOHNS aged 29, an Occasional Labourer on Farms born Osburne, Kent & their children, William JOHNS aged 8, born Coleford, Gloucestershire, Maisey JOHNS (son) aged 6, born Upper Monnow, Leonore JOHNS (son) aged 4, born Coleford & Fred JOHNS aged 2, born Upper Monnow.
In the next caravan was David JOHNS aged 24, an Occasional Fruit Picker born Forest of Dean & living wth his wife of 4 years Harriet JOHNS aged 23, born N.K. & their children (both born Upper Monmow), Amelia JOHNS aged 4 & Esther JOHNS aged 2.
Esther married William JOHNS, son of William JOHNS "King of the Forest of Dean Gipsies" and Eliza UNKNOWN, circa 1902 in Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire. William was born circa 1881 in Osbourne, Kent, England, died in Mar 1948 in Ash Cottage, Trowgreen, Gloucestershire at age 67, and was buried 2nd April 1948 in Clearwell, Gloucestershire.
26 F v. Louisa HODGKINS / HOSKINS was born circa 1888 in Leominster, Herefordshire and died in Dec 1979 in Evesham, Worcestershire (V.27 P.219) at age 91.
Death Notes: Listed as Louise JOHNS aged 91.
• Census: 1911, Milkwall, Coleford, Gloucestershire. Listed as Lewis (?) JOHNS aged 23, married 3 years, born Leominster & living with her husband William JOHNS aged 27, a Licensed Hawker born Kent, their son B. JOHNS aged 2, born Cinderford, Gloucestershire, Williams' cousin Milson JOHNS aged 21, a Licensed Hawker born Cinderford & Louisas' sister Violet HASKINS (?) aged 19, a Licensed Hawker born Herefordshire
Louisa married William JOHNS 30th May 1905 in Christchurch, Gloucestershire. William was born circa 1882 in Kent, England and died after 1905.
Marriage Notes: Listed as Louisa HODGSKINS aged 21 of Berry Hill, daughter of Maziah HODGSKINS, Labourer & William JOHN aged 23 of Berry Hill, Gipsey Labourer, son of David JOHN. Witnesses were G.A. BARNES & Henrietta SMITH.
• Occupation: Labourer: Berry Hill, Gloucestershire.
28 F vii. Violet HODGKINS was born in Mar 1892 in Droitwich, Worcestershire (V.6c P.354) and died after 1921.
Birth Notes: Registered as Violet HODGKINS.
Violet married Nelson HOSKINS aka Nelson JOHNS 4th April 1911 in Christchurch, Gloucestershire. Nelson was born circa 1891 in Cinderford, Gloucestershire and died after 1921.
Marriage Notes: Listed as Violet HOSKINS aged 19, a Gypsey of Berry Hill, daughter of Mazey HOSKINS, a Gypsey & Nelson HOSKINS aged 20, a Gypsey of Berry Hill, no further info. Witnesses were Louisa JOHNS & Ada HOSKINS.
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Hodgkins Hoskins: You are a genius..... ;D absolutely wonderful to get this!!! Thankyou for sharing. I never thought I'd get the name of Coralina's husband. I've been told by family that Andrew was one of 24 children! He and Coralina also had a daughter Rosina in 1913, who married John Roberts, a gypsy although they never officially married. Their daughter lives in Newport, Wales. Coralina's sister Ada married Noah Johns. Esther allegedly had 16 kids....this is only what Im told.
**I have Nelson's birth cert, who married Violet Hoskins. He was born 5 April 1892 to unwed mother Harriet but adopted by Coralina's family. He was born at Nelson, East Dean. I dont have any record of Louisa Hoskins 1888.
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Hello rebekahm28, In regards to the Hodgkins / Hoskins & related families, have you been to Eric Trudgills' website to view his history of Edward Hodgkins & also, this month (Feb) he posted a history of the Butler & related families. Many of the loose ends with the Hodgkins / Hoskins Eric seems to have sorted out. He has gone straight to the source & got original certs & viewed original church records. Get back to me & tell me what you think of his info,
Sean
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Crikey, only just seen this message, 4 months late......I'll hopefully find Eric's site again. Someone on another site else mentioned looking for it and it not being there.
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I am a descendant of George Hodgkins (b c1810) and Sarah (Du{a}ffy) Hodgkins (b 1810) of Evesham, Worcestershire but had come to a dead end with my research some time ago, and prior to discovering this web site a few days ago. The latter remarried after George died while quite young.
Mention of this couple and their children is made in the communications but am finding it difficult linking in the many other families etc that are listed, and wonder whether there is a family tree or genealogical database i.e. Gedcom file that a can access to enable me to find/clarify possible links.
Would be grateful for any information anyone can provide, and would be pleased to reciprocate with details I have uncovered from my g.g.g. grandparents (George & Sarah).
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Hi mkpayne,
I don't know if this is what you are looking for but it's where I got a lot of information from years ago.
http://www.stevensonfamily.plus.com/fhsteven/grpf2538.htm
I've linked it to the page that concerns George Hodgkins although there is no wife mentioned for him but if you are sure of who he was you can follow back up the line and then sidewards.
There are many details on the site but no links or references to Ancestry records so you may wish to follow up and confirm the details individually as much as you can before you enter them into your own tree.
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Hi ScallyW (? Scallywag lol)
I've only perused the link file you sent me, and followed some of the lines which seem to confirm the George & Sarah (Duffy) Hodgkins I'm interested in are one and the same. I had already established one of their children was my g.g.grandfather Samuel b c1832 in Warwickshire and married a Mary Ann Aldington at Elmley Castle, Worcestershire in 1858.
I will now take great delight in studying all the families within this link, and those I am able to confirm as relevant I can include in my database.
Thank you so much for your speedy, but more importantly, valuable response. Malcolm
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Hi ScallyW (? Scallywag lol)
Busted! ;) My Nan's nickname for me as a child.
I've only perused the link file you sent me, and followed some of the lines which seem to confirm the George & Sarah (Duffy) Hodgkins I'm interested in are one and the same. I had already established one of their children was my g.g.grandfather Samuel b c1832 in Warwickshire and married a Mary Ann Aldington at Elmley Castle, Worcestershire in 1858.
I will now take great delight in studying all the families within this link, and those I am able to confirm as relevant I can include in my database.
Thank you so much for your speedy, but more importantly, valuable response. Malcolm
If you find anything interesting, don't forget to come back and let us know.
ScallyW
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I have now had chance to more thoroughly delve through the Hodgkins database, and having proven as far as one possibly can that there is a link, I have now been able to extend my ancestoral line by a further two generations i.e. Edward & Penelope (Archer) Hodgkins --> Edward & Mary Hodgkins, the latter being my g.g.g.g.g. grandparents. Of course there are also all the siblings and their descendants.
Once again cheers, and offer anyone that has an interest in "my" line to post their interests.
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These are my Warwicks HODGKINS although there are also numbers in HRF and WOR. I was unable to include the full list for WKS because of limits in the system. Please let me know if you want the rest.
WKS Alcester bp2/3/1823 Benjamin s/o Benjamin/Sarah, hkrs of A
WKS Allesley bp4/3/1836 Catherine d/o Joseph/Catherine, knf.gr, a trav
WKS Arley bp23/10/1836 Mary d/o Charles/Harriet, trav’g brazier of Tanworth
WKS Aston Cantlow bp18/4/1841 Riley s/o Joseph/Ann, trav’g pedlar of Newnham
WKS Billesley bp10/12/1843 Charles s/o Joseph/Ann, barra trader of Tanworth
WKS Binton bp9/10/1836 Edward s/o Samuel/Mary, tinman of Tanworth WKS
WKS Binton bp15/7/1827 Frederick s/o Thomas/Mary, knf.gr of Tamworth [Tanworth]
WKS Brinklow bp21/5/1820 Charlotte d/o Joseph/Catharine, a trav’g tinker
WKS Brinklow bp20/1/1833 Sarah d/o Joseph/Catherine, grinder and tinker, a tramper of Chelslyrl [Cheslyn] Hayes nr Cannock STF
WKS Butlers Marston bp10/6/1877 Charles s/o William/Harriet, lab of B.M
WKS Coughton bp27/11/1842 Prudence d/o Charles/Harriet, trav’g brazier soj’g at C., but belonging to the psh of Tanworth
WKS Exhall (nr Coventry) bp23/12/1827 Job s/o Joseph/Catherine, trav’g tinker of E
WKS Fillongley bp17/7/1839 Ezekiah s/o John/Patience, trav of Corby
WKS Fillongley bp25/7/1842 Mary Ann d/o Joseph/Catherine, tinker of Grendon
WKS Grafton bp17/2/1838 Thomas s/o Joseph/Ann, tramper of psh of Tanworth
WKS Grendon bp24/11/1822 Joseph s/o Joseph/Catherine, grinder of Cheswardine STF
WKS Hampton in Arden bp4/11/1802 Letitia d/o Benjamin/Mary (noi)
WKS Hatton bp23/9/1832 Samuel s/o George/Sarah, trades pottery, of Tanworth
WKS Hatton bp23/9/1832 Henry s/o Henry/Elizabeth, pottery.dlr, of Tanworth
WKS Henley in Arden Charles s/o Edward/Penelope (noi)
WKS Hillmorton bp11/4/1824 Elizabeth d/o Joseph/Catherine, tinker trav’g
WKS Keresley bp21/6/1856 Amaline s/o Job/Trainette, ch.mnd, knf.gr etc. of in a tent, K
WKS Keresley bp24/5/1858 John s/o Job/Trainette, ch.mnd, knf.gr etc. of in a tent, K. & elsewhere
WKS Keresley bp21/2/1860 Joseph s/o Job/Trainette, ch.mnd, knf.gr etc. of in a tent, no house dweller
WKS Keresley bp24/4/1862 Letitia d/o Job/Trainette, ch.mnd, knf.gr etc. of in a tent, Corley
WKS Keresley bp28/6/1865 Tom s/o Job/Trainette, ch.mnd, knf.gr etc. of in a tent, Allersley
WKS Keresley bp30/9/1866 William s/o Job/Trainette, ch.mnd, knf.gr etc. of in a tent, no house dweller, Allersely
WKS Keresley bp23/5/1868 Cornelius s/o John/Sarah, rz.gr of in a tent, K
WKS Knowle bp30/5/1825 Charlotte d/o Benjamin/Sarah, e-w.dlr of K
WKS Knowle bp14/3/1830 Emmanuel s/o Benjamin/Sarah, brazier of K
WKS Lillington bp23/2/1817 Samuel s/o Edward/Penelope, travs with e-w of Tanworth
WKS Nuneaton bp2/10/1802 Joseph s/o Edward/Sarah (noi)
(GLOnow)WKS Quinton bp27/12/1829 Keziah d/o Charles/Harriet, travs of Admington Lane
WKS Rowington bp18/9/1814 Riley s/o Edward/Penelope, vender of crockery
WKS Salford Priory bp21/1/1838 Harriet d/o Benjamin/Elizabeth, tinker of Evesham
WKS Spernall bp7/6/1812 Joseph s/o Edward/Penelope, of Tanworth [HODGEKINS sic]
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Hello, have just seen this thread. Theana/ Tenney (daughter of Esther)who married Moses Smith is my gg grandmother. I also saw some discussion of Reuben Smith and his church. Reuben is my ggg uncle. His great grandson James Smith married Tehenney's granddaughter Rosina Hodgkiss -they are my grandparents. I had hit a real brick wall with Tehenney, she is on the 1891 census with Moses on hartlebury common but could not find either of them anywhere else so thanks for everything you have written here- is very exciting!
I came across this looking for Rosina's father James Hodgkiss died Worcester 1943 born abt 1873. He is a total brick wall! Was wondering if anyone has any info on him? He married Tehenney's daughter Harriet, have photos of both and a possible of Tehenney but it is unverified!
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Scally w, would be really interested to know where the documents about my ggg uncle Reuben smith's church were that you read, could you please tell me?
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Scally w, would be really interested to know where the documents about my ggg uncle Reuben smith's church were that you read, could you please tell me?
I don't remember seeing any official documents as such, just accounts written by people reporting that there was a church there at some point.
I've had a search to see if I can find the original reference I found for it and I came up with this text posted on a gypsy research site, although I can't say that this is where I first saw it or not as it was a long time ago.
THE GYPSIES CHURCH ON HARTLEBURY COMMON, WORCESTERSHIRE
Built of wood with arched leaded windows and a tiny cross on one of the gables, the Gypsies on Hartlebury Common would be summoned to church by a small bell that hung on a nearby tree.
Hartlebury Common had long been a regular stopping place and before the church was built, Gypsy Reuben Smith erected a mission tent there. Around 1910, the Gypsies were evicted from the common, among them John Loveridge, who then bought some land, and with his son-in-law Will Webb, decided to fund the building of a permanent church.
For 17 years it was well supported, sometimes by a congregation of up to seventy Gypsies.
In 1927 the Vicar of Stourport decided to close the church while the Travellers were away and although when approached he said it would be re-opened when the Gypsies returned from hop-picking, it was an empty promise.
The Gypsy church remained closed and eventually became the home of John Loveridge’s daughter.
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I suspect, but cannot say for sure, that this quote may have come from Romany Routes - Volume 7 No 4 - Sep 2005, if that's any help at all.
Regards
ScallyW.
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My husbands grandmother was a sister to Ester. her name was Carolina Hodgkins.
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I'll private message you my email.
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My husbands grandmother was carolena hodgkins. any info would be great.
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? I've given you a lot of info.
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Just be reading about hoskins family , my late father-in-laws nan and grandad were called moses smith and Tenney hoskins, from Herefordshire, he lived in bosbury nr ledbury, his father was James hoskins and mother was Elizabeth, he used to say his nan and grandad weren't married and half the children went in smith and the others in hoskins, his parents are buried in bosbury church yard , James and Lizzie had. 9 children , 7 boys and 2 girls
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Hello Chris, according to what I've found, your late father-in-law was my mothers' 4th cousin. That's through my great-great-great-grandfather Joseph Hodgkins (1812 - 1851), who was the brother of Benjamin Hodgkins (c.1801 - 1867), who would've been the great-great-grandfather of your father-in-law, through Benjamins' daughter Esther, who was the mother of Tenney, also spelt in records Tehenney, Thyana & Annie.
Can send more to your email address if you wish,
Sean
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Hi sean , thanks for your reply, when my husbands parents died my sister-in-law tried to trace the ancestry back , but kept hitting a blank wall, can understand now why with them using so many different surnames, we live in Warwickshire, three of James and Lizzie's boys moved here some 50 Odd years ago, came with a farmer from bosbury.one sister still lives in bosbury though, plus cousins.The comments on this page are very good reading though, don't no if you could give me more information though.
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Hi, I am new to this site. I would like to chat and share information and photos with those who are connected to the Hodgkins/Hoskins family. My great great grandfather and grandmother was Moses Smith and Thenny Hodgkins.
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Hi all x
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My husbands grandmother was carolena hodgkins from woolhope Hereford shire.
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Coralena Hodgkins/Hoskins from Woolhope is in my tree, her grandchildren live in south wales and also Hereford/Worcester I think. I'll send you my email.
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I’m not sure who Coralena is. Where does she fit in? X
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Have just scrolled down ans seen who she is. X
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who i know about is dinahs familey onwards she was my grandads mum ...gilder was the youngest of 10 .....my grandad was william ,
they moved around hereford/monmoth area ....
my grandad as 92 and past away this year , my dad was 56 and also past away this year .....
gilder could tell you everything ....about his mum and dad ...he could talk your head off about storys .....
she had 10 children , melie was the oldist girl
my grandad the oldist boy
then there was ,
jimmy
natty
volie
gilder
...i would have to find out the other names ...yes i'm on face book , and i'm very sure uncle gilder has photos , and my granny has some
but i have seen my grandads birthpaper , and his mum was dinha hoskins
and i found interest in the name , as you dont here it much !!
me mum was a penfold !! and me dad was a smith ...
dinha married william 'willie' smith !! them name has been past down over and over , my brother is willam smith
i'm sure there is much more i can tell you !!
Hi ,
Natty smith of hereford was my grandfather ,he had 11 kids my dad being one who is in his 80s now ,I think it's the same "natty"
Do you have any more info on natty smith and children ?
I was told they used "johns" as sir name yrs ago and stayed in Forest of Dean ?
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By coincidence Ive returned to this family line today, after some time. Yes Melie (Amelia), Jimmy, Natty born 1921 (Nathaniel), Volie , Gilder (Gilderoy). Also William, Jimmy and Rhoda. Parents were William Smith and Dinah Hoskins. Dinah's parents were Mosiah and Mary Ann Hoskins, nee Davies. Mary Ann lived by my great great granny Mary Ann Roberts in Aberkenfig, near Bridgend at one point. Mosiah's parents Thomas Boswell and Esther Hodgkins/Hoskins.
The name Johns was used because Esther Hoskins (born 1881 and died 1962 in the Forest of Dean, daughter of Mosiah and Mary Ann) , married William Johns. William died at Ash cottage in Trowgreen.
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By coincidence Ive returned to this family line today, after some time. Yes Melie (Amelia), Jimmy, Natty born 1921 (Nathaniel), Volie , Gilder (Gilderoy). Also William, Jimmy and Rhoda. Parents were William Smith and Dinah Hoskins. Dinah's parents were Mosiah and Mary Ann Hoskins, nee Davies. Mary Ann lived by my great great granny Mary Ann Roberts in Aberkenfig, near Bridgend at one point. Mosiah's parents Thomas Boswell and Esther Hodgkins/Hoskins.
The name Johns was used because Esther Hoskins (born 1881 and died 1962 in the Forest of Dean, daughter of Mosiah and Mary Ann) , married William Johns. William died at Ash cottage in Trowgreen.
hi I think this is my dads family ,natty was my grandad and he had 11 kids ,job ,Amos ,Mary ,cybil ,Herbert are the names I no .
Natty smith was with Cassie ?and natty smiths mum was Bella davies ? Do you have these names in your smiths ?
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I dont have Natty's descendents (wife and children) so I'm unsure sorry.
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Solomon Hoskins was my great great grandfather. I’ve done quite a lot of research into his side of the tree If anyone would like help
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This is rather a long shot, but I have the forenames of a family whose surname was Hoskins or Hoskings and they were born in the last half of the 1800's. This info was given by my 3rd cousin, but I cant find ANY record of them (apart from a possible marriage for Soloman to Lena Davies) and Im reasonably experienced in family history research. I'd have expected a teensy bit on a couple of them...but nothing. The names I have are Nelson, Mosiah, Soloman, Dinah, Coralina/Coralena, Gilder, Ada, Patience and Esther. We dont know the area they were from but its believed to be either South Wales, Herefordshire, Gloucs, or Worcs. The parents were allegedly John and Mary Ann, I dont know how accurate that info is. Dinah had 10 children and Esther had 16!! Coralina had a daughter named Rosina Jones born 1913 in Newport, Wales but has no marriage record or birth record for Rosina. (My 3rd cousin is Rosina's daughter, hence how I know this). The family may have moved to the Forest of Dean but we dont know when. I'd be grateful if someone could give us any info. ???
Edit: Have just found them with 4 of the children in Parkend, Monmouthshire in 1911! The father of the family, who I was told was John, was down as the initial 'M'.
Solomon is my great great grandfather if you need any help. I’ve done a lot of research on that side
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It’s a long time since I’ve looked at this side, I’ve had twins , now 3 years old, to keep me overly busy and drive me mad…but I’m back on track now with research and will look at the Hoskins again. We probably have a dna match.