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Well Jenny iv'e had no luck with those ???
These families are very good at hiding ;D ;D
Sue
They certainly are Sue I can't find them either. Elusive little folk. Probably hiding up some lane where no one would find them. Certainly not an Enumerator doing a census.
thanks for trying to find them though, it's always good to know it's not just me being a dummy and just missing them because I don't know what I'm looking at. Just trying to think what else to try that might further my search.
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Just clearing up a few things...
Edit: is she the Sarah Ann Eastwood christened on 24 February 1850 in Hadlow, Kent and daughter of James Eastwood and and Sarah?
Where did you find this one James It seems a very likely candidate as a relative as the area is right, but where would she fit.
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Bexley was in the Dartford Registration District.
There's a lot of Eastwoods in the Dartford R.D. too!
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Just clearing up a few things...
Edit: is she the Sarah Ann Eastwood christened on 24 February 1850 in Hadlow, Kent and daughter of James Eastwood and and Sarah?
Where did you find this one James It seems a very likely candidate as a relative as the area is right, but where would she fit.
Over at the IGI at Family Search.
I couldn't find any others who were children of James and Sarah though.
There are six christenings for Eastwoods in Hadlow, though.
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Here's the six Eastwoods of Hadlow:
1. Frances Eastwood, chr. 26 May 1839, daughter of George Eastwood and Phoebe
2. Thomas Eastwood, chr. 22 January 1843, daughter of Thomas Eastwood and Elvey (ooh, that's a travellers name!)
3. Ann Eastwood, chr. 28 December 1845, daughter of Richard Eastwood and Elizabeth
4. Caroline Eastwood, chr. 26 April 1846. daughter of John Eastwood and Harriet
5. Jane Eastwood, chr. 31 May 1846, daughter of George Eastwood and Phoebe
6. Sarah Ann Eastwood, chr. 31 May 1850, daughter of James Eastwood and Sarah
The mind boggles, only George and Phoebe are repeasted as parents!
However, both Elvey/Alvey and Phoebe are names we're familiar with in the travelling families we've been tracing.
Also:
Elvy Eastwood, chr. 30 May 1841, Bexley, Kent, daughter of Thomas Eastwood and Elvey
George Eastwood, chr. 30 July 1837, Stone By Dartford, Kent, son of John Eastwood and Harriett
Mark Eastwood, chr. 13 Aug 1843, St. James, Grain, Kent, son of John Eastwood and Harriett
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perhaps something will come to light that will enable us to make a connection at some point. At the moment I'm a bit lost for what to try next.
I was wondering about something, but don't think I know how to go about finding out more. I will throw it into the mix and see what happens.
I am concerned about the age spread of the 4 brothers, thinking there may be more to fill the gaps.
Thomas 1801
James 1815
William 1816
Job 1821
Now there was a Joseph Hedges b c1821 mentioned in 1841 Census with my suspected Father of the 4 brothers William HEDGES b c 1776 both in Maidstone prison. Would it be worth looking for Joseph HEDGES in Maidstone and surrounding areas in case he is another brother.
I suspect he may be Job Hedges b 1821 but I could be wrong is it worth the hunt do you think?
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Also when hunting through cityark last night I found this Marriage
All Saints Parish church Frindsbury
1892 April 30
John Richard HEDGES Age 25 Occupation ???man Living Frindsbury Father Alfred HEDGES Labourer
Elanor Elizabeth FORDHAM Age 24 Living Frindsbury Father Charles Richard FORDHAM Labourer
Witness Alfred James BONNEY Witness Minnie Soft or Loft
I have an Alfred HEDGES living in this area who had a son Alfred but don't have enough to connect them. I haven't found any thing on the Census so far. Anyone want a try at it.
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There is this guy in 1901:
John Hedges 52 Kent Frindsbury Kent Chatham Labourer Teamates Dockyard
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We have this one, I presume?
William Hedges 32 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Hawker
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We have this one, I presume?
William Hedges 32 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Hawker
Interesting what year is this one James
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1901
John R HEDGES age 35 Stoker born Chatham
Helana HEDGES age 37 born Chatham
Looks like a good candidate
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Found him Strood Rochester 1891
Alfred HEDGES Head 45
Eliza Wife 44
Esther Dau 10
Florence Dau Ethel 9
Alice Maud Dau 8
Lillian Eliz Ada Dau 6
Joseph Son 4
Eliz Annie Dau 2
Living next door
John Rich HEDGES Head 25 Stoker Marine Engine born Chatham Kent
Mary Ann Wife 28 born Rochester Kent
The wife is wrong though ODD
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I'm sure you have this:
Eden Brewer, born 18 October 1802, chr. 24 October 1802, Crawley, Sussex, daughter of John Brewer and Elizabeth.
Eden Brewer married Thomas Hedges on 1 October 1820, Hadlow, Kent.
Just thought I'd mention this.
This above has to be Eden wife of Thomas as I don't think we had this entry for Sampson son of Thomas and Eden.
It looks like Eden was drawn back to her birth place to have Sampson Christened.
Sampson HEDGES
Christening
11 March 1845 Crawley Sussex
Father Thomas HEDGES
Mother EDY
Note too that Jeramiah HEDGES b 1849 Sussex, son of Job HEDGES b.1821 and Rosanna Dawes b 1818 Cuckfield Sussex
Crawley is only 7 miles from Cuckfield.
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Jane HEDGES
Christening
13 Feb 1831 Rusper Sussex
Father Thomas
Mother Eden
Rusper is less than 4 miles from Crawley and less than 10 to Cuckfield
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We have this one, I presume?
William Hedges 32 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Hawker
1901
Sorry about that!
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Thats fine thank you James.
Another fruitful day over.
I'm off for tonight, need sleep, will keep at it tomorrow.
Night all.
Jenny
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Found him Strood Rochester 1891
Alfred HEDGES Head 45
Eliza Wife 44
Esther Dau 10
Florence Dau Ethel 9
Alice Maud Dau 8
Lillian Eliz Ada Dau 6
Joseph Son 4
Eliz Annie Dau 2
Living next door
John Rich HEDGES Head 25 Stoker Marine Engine born Chatham Kent
Mary Ann Wife 28 born Rochester Kent
The wife is wrong though ODD
So is this the Alfred Hedges you thought it was?
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I was trying to attach John Richard HEDGES to Alfred and Eliza as I thought he may be their John below
Alfred HEDGES is the son of William Hedges 1816 and Frances Jennings
Alfred Hedges 1845 borstel Rochester Married to Eliza Levons
Children of this couple are...
Emma 1865
Thomas 1868
John 1869
Alfred 1870
James 1872
Joseph 1874
Albert 1875
William 1876
Frances 1879
Esther 1880
Florence Ethel 1882
Alice Maud 1883
Lillian Elizabeth Ada 1885
Elizabeth Annie 1889
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We have this one, I presume?
William Hedges 32 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Hawker
1901
Sorry about that!
The complete family is likely to be this:
William Hedges 32 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Hawker
Rose A Hedges 29 Kent Northfleet Kent Gillingham
Rose A Hedges 12 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Juvenile
Henry Hedges 10 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Juvenile
Eliza Hedges 8 Kent Chatham Kent Gillingham Juvenile
Mary A Hedges 5 Kent Strood Kent Gillingham Juvenile
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Found him Strood Rochester 1891
Alfred HEDGES Head 45
Eliza Wife 44
Esther Dau 10
Florence Dau Ethel 9
Alice Maud Dau 8
Lillian Eliz Ada Dau 6
Joseph Son 4
Eliz Annie Dau 2
Living next door
John Rich HEDGES Head 25 Stoker Marine Engine born Chatham Kent
Mary Ann Wife 28 born Rochester Kent
The wife is wrong though ODD
Not that odd at all:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Gore Sarah Ann Strood 2a 901
Hedges John Richard Strood 2a 901
Martin Mary Ann M P Strood 2a 901
MARTIN Mary Ann McP Strood 2a 901
Medhurst Edward Thomas Strood 2a 901
He married his first wife Mary Ann McPherson Martin on 25th December 1889 at St. Mary's Church, Strood, Kent. It seems she probably died young.
Here it is:
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Found him Strood Rochester 1891
Alfred HEDGES Head 45
Eliza Wife 44
Esther Dau 10
Florence Dau Ethel 9
Alice Maud Dau 8
Lillian Eliz Ada Dau 6
Joseph Son 4
Eliz Annie Dau 2
Living next door
John Rich HEDGES Head 25 Stoker Marine Engine born Chatham Kent
Mary Ann Wife 28 born Rochester Kent
The wife is wrong though ODD
Not that odd at all:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Gore Sarah Ann Strood 2a 901
Hedges John Richard Strood 2a 901
Martin Mary Ann M P Strood 2a 901
MARTIN Mary Ann McP Strood 2a 901
Medhurst Edward Thomas Strood 2a 901
He married his first wife Mary Ann McPherson Martin on 25th December 1889 at St. Mary's Church, Strood, Kent. It seems she probably died young.
Thanks for that James. I'm not sure Mary died though perhaps divorced as I can find no suitable death registration and on his second marriage he didn't say widower but bachelor.
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Hi all
YIPPEE ;D ;D ;D
I have had a certificate arrive ;D
Just to refresh memories it is for the Baby Thomas HEDGES who died in East Malling in 1854 of Cholera Father presant at death James HEDGES.
His Birth Certificate States....
Place Name Sex Father Mother Fathers Occ
1853 Bocking Essex Thomas Boy James Eliza HEDGES Hawker
9th March 1853 HEDGES formerly JENNINGS
by the side of
Shallow Road
Panfield
Residence of Informant James HEDGES is Bernet Hertfordshire.
He must have given this as his permanant place of abode. Might be interesting to search this area.
And Eliza is a JENNINGS Wooohooo.
And William and Susan that died during the same time at the same place sojourning in East Malling must be the Parents of James and therefore the parents of all the brothers. Is this enough proof I ask myself. I think is is for me. Would it be for you?
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Great news Jenny ;D ;D ;D It all seems to fall into place at last ;D ;D
Did you want to find Hedges in Hertfordshire? And who?
Sue
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Hi Sue I think Hertfordshire should have a quick scan don't you. You never know I might come across something. Just curious really as to why he would tell the Registar he lived there. He was according to 1 census born Plumstead another states NK (not known)?
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Did you want to find Hedges in Hertfordshire? And who? Sue
Sorry Sue I missed reading this bit, silly me ::)
I'm going to do a general scan of 1851 for William1816 and Thomas 1801 as cant find them for 1851,
but at some point it would be good to see if any other children were born to James and Eliza in Hertfordshire. Just a thought that they may have spent some time there.
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Have we got this one in 1851 in St Albans, St Peter Hertfordshire ???
HO107 / 1713 / 276 / 28
William Hedges head age 45 b Sandridge, Herts, occ hawker of small wares
Eliza wife age 40 b St Albans, occ looks like plaiter
James son age 14 b St Albans, occ silk winder
Eliza dau age 4 b St Albans
Address ? Alley
Sue
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Possible marriage?
WILLIAM HEDGES
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZA. MUMFORD Family
Marriage: 09 NOV 1829 Sacomb, Hertford, England
Or is this too early?
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JAMES HEDGES
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
11 MAR 1838 Saint Michael, Saint Albans, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES
Mother: ELIZA
He looks good!
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Hi James :) :)
Pleased you have joined us ;D ;D
Are we looking for any date or do you have one in mind ;D
Sue
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Blimey ... Gotta get kids...... BBS
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Continuing on:
JOHN HEDGES
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
21 APR 1833 Saint Peter, Saint Albans, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES
Mother: ELIZA
MARIA HEDGES
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
20 DEC 1835 Saint Peter, Saint Albans, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES
Mother: ELIZA
SARAH HEDGES
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
21 FEB 1841 Abbey, Saint Albans, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES
Mother: ELIZA
ELIZA HEDGES
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
29 AUG 1847 Saint Peter, Saint Albans, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES
Mother: ELIZA
ALFRED HEDGES
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
26 DEC 1852 Saint Peter, Saint Albans, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES
Mother: ELIZA
That's all the children I can find. That marriage of a William Hedges is also looking good.
It also seems they remained local to St. Albans, rather than scout around the south of England. We know William Hedges was a Hawker though, thanks to the 1851 census entry.
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Hi everyone
Jenny I am so pleased for you!!!!! That death cert certainly helps ...with the 2 HEDGES brothers marrying 2 JENNINGS sisters ..... :D :D Also that James Hedges gives place of Residence as HERTS
Just wanted to remind you of The Jennings mother who was also born HERTS
(also we also came to the conclusion that Elias eastwood = Harriet JENNINGS may have changed his name to John)
This is from a couple of pages back:
Following up on John and Harriet Eastwood ...this is them in 1851
Deptford
John Eastwood head mar 35 Hawker of mats and Beehives b Sussex, 5 Ashes
Harriet wife 35 b Islington = JENNINGS
George son 14 b Kent ??
John son 11 b Frindsted
Mark son 8 b Hoo
Caroline dau 5 b Hadlow
Blimey ... on the page prior and living next to them
Gloucester Place
Joseph JENNINGS head mar 45 rat catcher b ISLINGTON (Born same place as Eliza, Fanny and Harriet Jennings)
Lydia 45 wife b Deptford
Joseph 18 b Enfield Middlesex
John 15 b Enfield
Edward 13 b Deptford
William 8 b Deptford
Charles 1 Stepney Middlesex
Sarah mother wid 76 b HERTS Hodesden?
deb :)
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1901 census has:
Alfred Hedges 23 St Albans Herts London Brush Maker
Alfred Hedges 44 Hertford St Albans Yorkshire Skipton Traveller For ...
Mostly likely father and son.
Deb, that would be Hoddesdon in Hertfordshire.
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Hi Deb Hi James
Oh my you all work so fast. :o
Debs I take it I need to be looking for JENNINGS in Herts too. Or have we already done that ???
I know geography isn't my strong point and I am at risk of sounding really stupid but I have to ask Is Islington in Herts? :(
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There also seems to be another Hedges family of St. Albans that have children called James and Alfred as well.
Thomas Hedges and Sarah, had issue:
1. Elizi. Hedges, chr. 22 Apr. 1827, St. Peter, St. Albans
2. Henry Hedges, chr. 28 Sep. 1828, St. Peter, St. Albans
3. Emma Hedges, chr. 28 Nov. 1830, St. Peter, St. Albans
4. James Hedges, chr. 14 Apr. 1833, St. Peter, St. Albans
5. Joseph Hedges, chr. 4 Oct. 1835, St. Peter, St. Albans
6. Alfred Hedges, chr. 2 Oct. 1842, St. Peter, St. Albans
7. Ellen Hedges, chr. 2 Oct. 1842, St. Peter, St. Albans
Now they could be related to the other Hedges of St. Albans... we need to find them on the census and see if they are travellers.
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Hi Deb Hi James
Oh my you all work so fast. :o
Debs I take it I need to be looking for JENNINGS in Herts too. Or have we already done that ???
I know geography isn't my strong point and I am at risk of sounding really stupid but I have to ask Is Islington in Herts? :(
Islington is in London.
If you've ever been to the old Family Records Centre (before it went to Kew), then that is roughly where Islington is (next door to Clerkenwell).
So hardly a rural area. Perhaps they fell on hard times or something? Most of the travellers we've come across have been living in caravans near hamlets and villages, no in the centre of London.
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I have St Alban 1861
William HEDGES 45 Hawker of small wares b Sundridge herts?
Eliza Wife 40 Plaiter? bSundridge Herts
James son 14 Silk Winder b St Albans
Eliza Dau 4 b St Albans
Do we already have this
Added..... I may have recorded this as 1861 when it looks like it's the same as Sue found and there for must be 1851 Sorry about that.
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We had him in 1851. So now we have him in 1861.
Any sign of Thomas Hedges and his wife, Sarah in St. Albans in about 1851?
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And one more child:
SARAH HEDGES
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
DEC 1830 Sacomb, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES
Mother: ELIZA.
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I have St Alban 1861
William HEDGES 45 Hawker of small wares b Sundridge herts?
Eliza Wife 40 Plaiter? bSundridge Herts
James son 14 Silk Winder b St Albans
Eliza Dau 4 b St Albans
Do we already have this
Added..... I may have recorded this as 1861 when it looks like it's the same as Sue found and there for must be 1851 Sorry about that.
OK try again
Is this William in 1861 St Alban Herts
William HEDGES 48 Marine Store Dealer b Sandridge?
Eliza HEDGES 47 Straw Wever b St Albans
Eliza Dau 14 Straw Wever b St Albans
Alfred j son 8 St Albans
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1891 Islington RG12/157
Joseph JENNINGS Head 65? Coal Porter b Can't read it
Mary Wife 65 b ? Wade Mill
Abraham Gdson 18 Coal Porter b London Islington
Sarah Gd Dau 16 Dom general servant B London Islington
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Not sure if that's the right family.
Joseph Jennings married Lydia Loud on 1 January 1829 at St. Alphage, Greenwich, Kent.
Unless he married Mary Ann as his second wife, of course.
His father was named Joshua Jennings and his mother was Sarah.
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Thank you James
I must of missed the posts explaining that. :o Oops.
Sometimes things get so jumbled in my head I can't follow. Thats Why I need help ;D
Can I ask where you found the Marriage details and got his Fathers name from.
Once I have the source I can log it all in, saves me covering the same ground. ;D
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Just posting this as i saw your reply James, so is this the family?
1841 HO107 / 488 / 6/40/ 26 Spelt Jenins
Joseph Jenins age 30 b Kent
Lydia age 30 b Kent
Joseph age 8 b Kent
Sarah age 5 b Kent
John age 3 no place of birth given
Address Church Street, St Pauls Deptford, Greenwich
Sorry cant read occ ???
Sue
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Just posting this as i saw your reply James, so is this the family?
1841 HO107 / 488 / 6/40/ 26 Spelt Jenins
Joseph Jenins age 30 b Kent
Lydia age 30 b Kent
Joseph age 8 b Kent
Sarah age 5 b Kent
John age 3 no place of birth given
Address Church Street, St Pauls Deptford, Greenwich
Sorry cant read occ ???
Sue
Yes, that looks like them.
Children of Joseph Jennings and Lydia Loud:
1. Joseph Jennings, b. about 1832, Enfield, Middlesex
2. Sarah Jennings, b. about 1835
3. John Jennings, b. about 1835
4. Edward Jennings, b. about 1837, Deptford, Kent
5. William Jennings, b. about 1842, Deptford, Kent
6. Charles Jennings, b. about 1849, Stepney, London
I believe we've got an 1851 census entry for them too, which is where I got the birth details for Joseph, Edward, William and Charles from. It's probably on this thread somewhere.
As for the marriage, I found it on the IGI over at Family Search.
Father's name came from the christening of Eliza Jennings (who married James Hedges) on 28 February 1816 at Upper Street Independent, Islington, London. That's also from the IGI.
Plus we know the mother is named Sarah, because of another census entry.
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Do we have these noted?
GEORGE EASTWOOD
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
30 JUL 1837 Stone By Dartford, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN EASTWOOD
Mother: HARRIET
MARK EASTWOOD
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
13 AUG 1843 Saint James, Grain, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN EASTWOOD
Mother: HARRIET
CAROLINE <EASTWOOD>
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
26 APR 1846 Hadlow, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN EASTWOOD
Mother: HARRIETT
This would be Elias/John Eastwood and Harriett Jennings' children. Well, three of them, anyhow.
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HI James
I have followed Mark Eastwood through the censuses ...a few pages back. Need to reread the last few pages ...:)
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I'm going to re-read to. I need to clarify a few things before I can get some of all this information put on my tree.
jenny
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Jenny let us know what you still need looking up ;D ;D
Sue
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Hi Sue
Not sure bit lost now, was wondering myself. I have been re reading in the hope of finding a direction. ???
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Hi All,
Could be completely wrong here but what about this family in 1861
Name spelt Hedger, living in caravans in Hertfordshire, most born around Kent
James and Eliza b 1816 and 7 children ??? RG09 / 808 / 37 / 20
Sorry for butting in but i love a challenge ;D
If you need help let me know what to look for ;D
Sue
Bit curious about this that you found earlier did we find out any more details on this family
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Forget that Sue I have read further now and we know who they were. Silly me. ::)
Added... Looks like we have hit a wall, It had to come eventually didn't it. :( You have all done so well. Perhaps when the other certificates come.
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just a thought about this
Eliza Jennings d/o Josh Jennings and Sarah
born 16 DEC 1815
Chr 28 FEB 1816 Upper Street Independent, Islington
Could this Josh actually be short for Joseph and not Joshua as I have a large family of christenings from the IGI belonging to Joseph and Sarah JENNINGS in Sawbridgeworth, Hertford,
theses are the details
Event(s):
Christening: 25 DEC 1806 Sawbridgeworth, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH JENNINGS Family
Mother: SARAH
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DANIEL JENNINGS Pedigree
Male
Christening: 02 DEC 1804 Sawbridgeworth, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH JENNINGS Family
Mother: SARAH
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JOHN JENNINGS Pedigree
Male
Christening: 03 JAN 1796 Sawbridgeworth, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH JENNINGS Family
Mother: SARAH
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JOSEPH JENNINGS Pedigree
Male
Christening: 19 NOV 1797 Sawbridgeworth, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH JENNINGS Family
Mother: SARAH
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WILLIAM JENNINGS Pedigree
Male
Christening: 28 APR 1799 Sawbridgeworth, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH JENNINGS Family
Mother: SARAH
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ELIZABETH JENNINGS Pedigree
Female
Christening: 20 OCT 1811 Sawbridgeworth, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH JENNINGS Family
Mother: SARAH
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JANE JENNINGS Pedigree
Female
Christening: 01 NOV 1801 Sawbridgeworth, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH JENNINGS Family
Mother: SARAH
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It would also make sense of the sons name Joseph. There is also an Elizabeth-Possibly Eliza and a Joseph but no Harriet and Frances. I know they are all christened in Herts and our family are born Islington :(. Perhaps not, grasping at straws.
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re Children of Elias Hedges and Alice Reynolds
all of these on same page for marriage
June q 1892 Medway Kent
Charlotte Hedges
Henry Hedges...could he be s/o Elias and Alice?
George Broom
Rose Ann Carter
can't see Henry and Rose Ann on the 1901
deb
This Henry HEDGES Married Rose Ann Carter, Is Henry 1871 the son of William HEDGES 1832 and Eliza Clark 1834.
oooooo Jenny
okay .....
Charlotte Hedges is d/o Elias Hedges and Alice Reynolds
Elias Hedges is the s/o James Hedges and Eliza (Jennings)....... Janice's line
Henry Hedges is the s/o William Hedges and Eliza Clark
William Hedges is s/o Your William Hedges and Fanny Jennings...... Jenny's line
so we have two cousins marrying same quarter in the same area .... I wonder if it could possibly be the same day!!!!!!!!!
is this the link we have been looking for?
deb :)
Here we have an Error.
I think we have assumed that Charlotte HEDGES is the daughter of Elias Hedges and Alice Reynolds.
When in actual fact there are 2 both born in 1874 Williamand Eliza also had a Charlotte and they lived in Medway, where this marriage to George BROOM took place.
I therefore think the Marriage to George BROOM is to the Charlotte HEDGES daughter of William HEDGES and Eliza CLARK.
This would mean the brother and sister married at the same time not the cousins. Opps
The certificates are on the way so we should know in about a week.
If I'm right who did Charlotte daughter of Elias Hedges and Alice Reynolds marry.
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Hi All,
Just a thought , probs nothing to do with it but have we seen this Charlotte born
about same time in 1881? Parents Charles and Charlotte
RG11/ /451 / 85 / 3
Also on same page is a James and Maria, cant read occs though :)
Can we def say this is not Charlotte who married in 1892 ???
Sue
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Good morning Sue, good to see you.
I'm pretty sure Charlotte is mine and sister to Henry HEDGES making them both children of William and Eliza. That would also explain why they are in the same place marring at the same time. Brother and Sister and a Double wedding. I couldn't Find the marriages on cityarc and wondered if there was a Registrars Office at that time.
Certs should arrive next week so will know then ;D
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Yes i think you are right after looking into that Charlotte furthur ;D
I also think Josh could be Joseph, it seems to fit ;D
Sue
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Looking through the posts on here, I have noted a couple that I don't think have been fully looked into.
I have notes on the following and wondered if there is anymore out there to find on them.
Did we find any more on and resolve whoshe married...
Esther HEDGES= William ARNOLD or Thomas WHEEL in Romford Dec Q 1858 vol 4a 156
also I'm wondering if the ARNOLDS were brothers..
Mary Sophia HEDGES= John ARNOLD IN Romford Mar Q 1858 vol 4a 73
We have them as a couple on the 1861 census living next door to James and Eliza
I would like to know which one of these Elijah married.
Elijah HEDGES= Ellen Sophia DARTNELL or Mary STONE in Romford Jun Q 1870 vol 4a 133
Just wondering if you got any more notes on these couples.
Jenny
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Postman has just been. olive HEDGES berth cert. arrived. Nothing on it we didn't know. Just confirmation of what we know so good news there.
Born Name Sex Father Mother Signed
1st Feb Olive Girl James Eliza Mark of
1851 HEDGES HEDGES Eliza
Cliff Rd formerly HEDGES
Frindsbury JENNINGS Cliffe Rd
Frindsbury
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OH....... Wonder if Deb had a Alfred Penfold as a publican in her tree :o
Just found him with wife Eliza and children and living with them is a Selina Hedges, daughter
in law b 1854 from Herts and her 2 children. All the Penfolds are b Kent.
Be nice if it would fit but unlikely ;D ;D
Sue
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OH....... Wonder if Deb had a Alfred Penfold as a publican in her tree :o
Just found him with wife Eliza and children and living with them is a Selina Hedges, daughter
in law b 1854 from Herts and her 2 children. All the Penfolds are b Kent.
Be nice if it would fit but unlikely ;D ;D
Sue
Sue I think I'm going crazy. tell me I'm not.
How can a Penfold have a daughter in law with the surname Hedges surly it shouldn't it say her name is Penfold. Try as I might my head won't compute it.Ahhhhh :o
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Take a look Jenny ;D ;D ;D
And i checked original ;D
1871 RG10 / 874 / 122 / 27
Alfred Penfold head age 39 b Kent occ in keeper
Eliza wife age 39 b Kent
Selina Hedges dau-in-law age 17 b Herts
Mary Hedges dau-in-law age 12 b Warwickshire
Ellen Hedges dau-in-law age 10 b Warwickshire
Mary Penfold dau age 6 b Kent
Charles Penfold age 4 b Kent
Frederick Penfold age 1 b Kent
Ellen Wray visitor age 13 b Yorkshire
Address Oakley Road, Two Doves, Bromley
Gotta be a mistake ;D ;D
Sue
Added....... Selina is down as unmarried ???
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That is strange isn't it. Not sure what to make of that. I have kept a copy just in case it proves useful in the future. ODD
Added.... I'm having no luck finding William Arnold in any census :(
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Will have to wait and see if Deb can work it out ;D
What a find if it could be connected to your lot ;D ;D
Sue
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from FreeBMD - on same page
Eliza HEDGES
Alfred PENFOLD
March quarter 1864 vol 2a page 325 Bromley
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from FreeBMD - on same page
Eliza HEDGES
Alfred PENFOLD
March quarter 1864 vol 2a page 325 Bromley
Nice find, So the HEDGES are step children to Alfred. That makes perfect sense. Thank you.
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Good find Bearkat ;D ;D
Wonder what Deb will think of it ;D ;D
I have had no luck at all Jenny finding any of them ???
Sue
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From 1881:
Dwelling: 28 Skinner St
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0894 Folio 99 Page 38
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas HEDGES M 66 M Maidstone, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Sawyer
Mary HEDGES M 62 F Maidstone, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Are these two anything to do with the Hedges?
Although this is on the wrong thread and probably just a coincidence, living up the road:
Dwelling: 48 Skinner St
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0894 Folio 98 Page 35
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
George CORK M 50 M Tomalling, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Stoker H M Dockyard
Mary A. CORK M 44 F St Pauls Cray, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Albert CORK 17 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Printer
Henry CORK 14 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William CORK 9 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Ada CORK 6 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Ernest CORK 2 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Ann GODDEN M 67 F Uckfield, Sussex, England
Rel: Visitor
Ann GODDEN U 36 F Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England
Rel: Visitor
Occ: Milliner
Elizabeth E. GODDEN U 33 F Tonbridge, Kent, England
Rel: Visitor
Occ: Milliner
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Due to the nature of this thread, I am not sure if you've mentioned this 1881 entry yet:
Dwelling: 14 Jenkins Dale
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0894 Folio 102 Page 44
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William HEDGES M 48 M Town Malling, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Chairmender (Caner)
Eliza HEDGES M 47 F Deptford, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
William HEDGES U 26 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: General Dealer
Samson HEDGES 18 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Assists His Father
Emma HEDGES 14 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Henry HEDGES 11 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Charlotte HEDGES 7 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Mary Ann HEDGES 5 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
I remember Jenkins Dale coming up in conversation though.
Two doors up:
Dwelling: 12 Jenkins Dale
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0894 Folio 102 Page 43
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John HEDGES M 32 M Brenchley, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: General Lab H M Dockyuard
Jane HEDGES M 33 F Ightham, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: ((Wood Dealer))
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We know at least two Hedges married Martins and here's one from a travelling family:
Dwelling: 1 Ships Alley
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0893 Folio 100 Page 12
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Amelia MARTIN W 44 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: General Hawker
Rebecca MARTIN U 22 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Machinist (Cotton)
Rachael MARTIN U 19 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Machinist (Cotton)
There's also a few Harris' in Chatham who are Hawkers also.
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I think we have this already:
Dwelling: Home Garden Carry Van
Census Place: Dartford, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341205 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0865 Folio 39 Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John EASTWOOD M 65 M Burwash, Sussex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Horse Keeper
Harriet EASTWOOD M 63 F Islington, Middlesex, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: Hawker
Alis EASTWOOD U 18 F Bexley, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: No Occupation
Amelia BREEDS U 6 F St Mary Cray, Kent, England
Rel: Grand Daur
Occ: Scholar
John EASTWOOD M 42 M Sittingbourne, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Ann EASTWOOD M 40 F Bexley, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Harriet EASTWOOD U 19 F Dartford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
John EASTWOOD U 17 M Dartford, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Caroline EASTWOOD U 14 F Dartford, Kent, England
Rel: Daur
Alice Eastwood is born 16 years after her sister Caroline Eastwood, so I presume there's other children between them, does anyone have details of them?
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Morning everyone
Blimey ...this is all so hard to keep up with ..... I think we def. need a summary of sorts ...will reread again LOL
Re Penfold = Hedges .... I will look into it ...how weird would it be if they were mine ...although my Penfolds were very much travellers and not house-dwellers.
deb :)
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Hi Deb,
We def need an update on what we need, im lost ;D ;D
Thought you may like the Penfold/Hedges census ;D
Did Jenny have a Selina Hedges somewhere or was it a diff name ???
Sue
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It seems Elias Eastwood may have actually been born as John Eastwood. Elias may just have been a transcription error.
I have a potential christening for him in Burwash for 1821... if it is him, he'd be a son of William Eastwood and Philadelphia Hawkins.
Philadelphia is a common name at that time in Sussex and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the family somehow linked to West Hoathly or East Grinstead.
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Oh........... If thats right isn't that Debs area of interest :o
Sue
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This is that family in 1841
HO107 / 1108 / 5/3/ 5
William Eastwood age 55, occ ag lab
Philadelphia Eastwood age 55
Thomas Eastwood age 25, occ ag lab
Henry Eastwood age 15, occ ag lab
William Clifford age 20
Henry Carpenter age 11
William Ireland age 55
William Ireland age 12
Diana Sweetman age 50
All b Sussex, Address Tott, Burwash
Sue
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Well here they are in 1861, Jenny should be able to tell us if they are hers :)
RG09 / 570 / 108 / 12
Thomas Eastwood head age 49 b Burwash, occ ag lab
Harriet wife age 50 b Ticehurst
George son age 15 b Burwash
Sarah dau age 13 b Burwash
Philadelphia mother, widow, age 80 b Burwash
Address Tott Square, Burwash
Sue
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This will help: http://theweald.org/N10.asp?NId=4410509
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The only issue with this John Eastwood is his birth... the census' say he was born about 1817 or so, whilst the christening says 1821... that's very tight for an 1835 marriage.
However, there are no other John Eastwoods born in Burwash around that time. There are also no Elias'.
However, he isn't resident with the family in 1841... which does give us hope it is him.
Here they are in 1851:
Tott Houses, Burwash
William Eastwood, M, Head, married, age 66, born Etchingham, Sussex; occupation: Farm labourer
Philadelphia Eastwood, F, Wife, married, age 68, born Burwash, Sussex
John Rich, M, Lodger, married, age 56, born Mayfield, Sussex; occupation: Farm labourer
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Another member of the family could be a Hawker but posing as a Farm Labourer, because they're located at the Road side. There are also Hawkers in the village.
1841 census:
Location: Road side, Burwash Village
Henry Eastwood, M, Head, age 35, born Sussex; occupation Farm labourer
Ruth Eastwood, F, [Wife], age 35, born Sussex
Henry Eastwood, M, [Son], age 15, born Sussex
James Eastwood, M, [Son], age 13, born Sussex
Mary Eastwood, F, [Daughter], age 10, born Sussex
Thomas Eastwood, M, [Son], age 7, born Sussex
Ruth Eastwood, F, [Daughter], age 5, born Sussex
Harriott Eastwood, F, [Daughter], age 1, born Sussex
1851:
Location: Near Town Gate, Burwash Village
Henry Eastwood, M, Head, married, age 49, born Burwash, Sussex; occupation: Farm labourer
Ruth Eastwood, F, Wife, married, age 47, born Heathfield, Sussex
Henry Eastwood, M, Son, single, age 25, born Burwash, Sussex; occupation: Railway labourer
Thomas Eastwood, M, Son, single, age 17, born Burwash, Sussex; occupation: Farm labourer
Ruth Eastwood, F, Daughter, single, age 15, born Burwash, Sussex
Hariet Eastwood, F, Daughter, single, age 10, born Burwash, Sussex; occupation: Scholar
John Eastwood, M, Son, single, age 5, born Burwash, Sussex
Again, Near Town Gate, suggests they don't have a residence. Perhaps they have a farm though and it's just not described as such.
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Wow. Popped in for a quick look before I go and babysit my grandson and things have taken off.
Eastwoods every where. I will read through if my grandson allows me tonight and see if I can connect any. I don't know much about the Eastwoods in my family and what I do know is from much later.
The HEDGES from Jenkins Dale, Chatham all are mine ;D also there are some in Sly Kates Hill Chatham that are all mine. William and Frances seamed to settle in Chatham and so much of my family can be found there.
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Nennefer,
I mentioned these on the previous page:
Dwelling: 28 Skinner St
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0894 Folio 99 Page 38
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas HEDGES M 66 M Maidstone, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Sawyer
Mary HEDGES M 62 F Maidstone, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Skinner Street is not far from Sly Katts Hill, so are this couple anything to do with your Hedges?
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Nennefer,
I mentioned these on the previous page:
Dwelling: 28 Skinner St
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0894 Folio 99 Page 38
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Thomas HEDGES M 66 M Maidstone, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Sawyer
Mary HEDGES M 62 F Maidstone, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Skinner Street is not far from Sly Katts Hill, so are this couple anything to do with your Hedges?
Not sure off the top of my head, but I will have a look.
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James I have had a look at my tree and I have the fillowing Thomas's listed but none seam to come close. By the census this Thomas would have been born in 1818 in Maidstone.
I have these...
Thomas Hedges 1801 b Unknown Married Eden Brewer
Thomas Hedges 1826 b Unknown Married Unknown son of Thomas and Eden
Thomas Hedges 9 March 1853 b Panfield Bocking Essex Married Unknown, son of James and Eliza
Thomas Hedges 1907 b Dartford area Married Elizabeth Loveridge son of Samson and Eliza Julia
Thomas Hedges 1868 b Chatham Married Unknown Son of Alfred and Eliza
I can provide more detailed information if needed but based on his age given he doesn't look like one of these.
As you can see I have very few marriage details for any of my Thomas Hedges. I would imagine he fits in my family somewhere but where I couldn't begin to guess.
Need more on him before I can place him somewhere. ;D
Added Sorry missed this one I have
Thomas Hedges 1876 b Sittingbourne Married Unknown Son of Elias and Alice.
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Hi Deb,
We def need an update on what we need, im lost ;D ;D
Thought you may like the Penfold/Hedges census ;D
Did Jenny have a Selina Hedges somewhere or was it a diff name ???
Sue
Hi Sue I do have a Selina but she is further back. This is what I have...
Selina HEDGES b. 1840 at Lidsing Kent. Married Unknown. Father James HEDGES Mother Eliza JENNINGS
The Selina with the Penfolds appears to have been born 14 years later in 1854
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Morning everyone
Blimey ...this is all so hard to keep up with ..... I think we def. need a summary of sorts ...will reread again LOL
Re Penfold = Hedges .... I will look into it ...how weird would it be if they were mine ...although my Penfolds were very much travellers and not house-dwellers.
deb :)
Hi Deb
You are brave to reread.
Blimey how can you summarize this lot, it's so confusing they are my family and I'm confused :o
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I'm also confused... I know we've come across Arnold = Hedges marriages before, but was this one of them?
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%)
ARNOLD Edwin Lewisham 1d 1256
Crosman Charles T Lewisham 1d 1256
Durling Mary A Lewisham 1d 1256
HEDGES Selina Lewisham 1d 1256
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Jenny..... i think somewhere i saw a possible Selina Hedges and Edwin Arnold but i cant find it ???
Anyway i searched for Selina Arnold and found this death, what do you think?
Oct-Nov-Dec 1867 Selina Arnold, age 27, Medway, Kent
Vol 2a Page 238
Would make birth about 1840
Sue
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Oh James great minds think alike ;D
That was what i was trying to find, reread and must have missed it ;D
Sue
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That's why I cannot find her on the 1881 census... poor Selina.
Now I am not sure which Edwin Arnold it's likely to be... Lewisham is more Essex than Kent, isn't it? Yet there is are some Edwin Arnolds in Kent that could be him.
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1866........ no wonder i couldn't find her on the census ::) :)
Sue
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I'm also confused... I know we've come across Arnold = Hedges marriages before, but was this one of them?
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%)
ARNOLD Edwin Lewisham 1d 1256
Crosman Charles T Lewisham 1d 1256
Durling Mary A Lewisham 1d 1256
HEDGES Selina Lewisham 1d 1256
I don't have all my papers with me at the moment as at Daughters babysitting but the only Hedges= Arnlold marriage I have is...
Sophia HEDGES 1839 Daughter of James and Eliza married John ARLOLD 1839 Mar Q Romford Essex Vol 4a p 73.
This is not another case of sisters Selina and Sophia marring brothers again is it.
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Jenny..... i think somewhere i saw a possible Selina Hedges and Edwin Arnold but i cant find it ???
Anyway i searched for Selina Arnold and found this death, what do you think?
Oct-Nov-Dec 1867 Selina Arnold, age 27, Medway, Kent
Vol 2a Page 238
Would make birth about 1840
Sue
Poor Selina I wonder what happed to her. Perhaps died in childbirth. I can feel another death Certificate request comming on. Oh dear. I'm so nosey. ::)
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Possible son:
Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
Arnold Edwin Medway 2a 458
Seems he died though:
Deaths Mar 1867 (>99%)
Arnold Edwin 0 Medway 2a 288
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Jenny have we seen this?
Marriages Mar 1877 in Gravesend
Eliza Caroline Arnold
Thomas Isaac Hedges
Henry George Jones
Jane Elizabeth Woolfe
Vol 2a Page 514
Sue
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Jenny have we seen this?
Marriages Mar 1877 in Gravesend
Eliza Caroline Arnold
Thomas Isaac Hedges
Henry George Jones
Jane Elizabeth Woolfe
Vol 2a Page 514
Sue
No not seen this. These ARNOLD are becoming quite a feature. Wonder who Thomas Isaac HEDGES belongs to
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I've spotted this in 1881:
Dwelling: Scocles Cottage
Census Place: Minster In Sheppey, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341232 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0978 Folio 28 Page 5
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elizabeth HEDGES W 62 F Molish, Kent, England
Rel: Head
James HEDGES U 34 M Sheerness, Kent, England
Rel: Son Handicap: Deaf & Dumb
Thomas HEDGES W 25 M Sheerness, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Agricultural Labourer
William HEDGES U 22 M Sheerness, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Agricultural Labourer
This Thomas was a widow already at age 25... could it be Thomas Isaac Hedges?
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No I'm thinking this is getting a bit weird Scockles is in Minster, Sheppy. Bet you can't guess where I live at the moment. :o :)
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Not in Scockles Cottage, surely?
I presume you just mean Minster in Sheppey and not the actual Cottage?
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Not in Scockles Cottage, surely?
I presume you just mean Minster in Sheppey and not the actual Cottage?
;D ;D ;D
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Not in Scockles Cottage, surely?
I presume you just mean Minster in Sheppey and not the actual Cottage?
No not in Scockles cottage about 10 minutes walk away in Minster though.
I have known there were Hedges on the Island but never thought they might be connected to mine. Now that would be something if a connection could be made.
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Here we go again... another sister possibly marrying an Arnold!
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Arnold William Romford 4a 156
Hanscomb Mary Ann Romford 4a 156
Hanscombe Mary Ann Romford 4a 156
Hedges Esther Romford 4a 156
Wheel Thomas Romford 4a 156
Wheele Thomas Romford 4a 156
Esther Hedges is of course likely a sister of Sophia and Selina Hedges.
And this:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%)
Arnold Sarah Romford 4a 125
Harris William Romford 4a 125
Hedges James Romford 4a 125
Staines Eliza Elizabeth Romford 4a 125
But we know James Hedges married Eliza Elizabeth Staines, so it seems William Harris married Sarah Arnold.
There's a Harris family in Chatham who are Hawkers.
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1881 census:
Dwelling: 6 Gambers Court
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0893 Folio 57 Page 16
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Edwin ARNOLD M 36 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Dock Laborer
Kezia ARNOLD M 29 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Edward ARNOLD 10 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
George ARNOLD 8 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Sarah ARNOLD 4 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Dau
Occ: Scholar
John ARNOLD 1 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
And living next door:
Dwelling: 7 Gambers Court
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0893 Folio 57 Page 16
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William Henry HACILTON M 28 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Engineers Laborer (E&M)
Elizabeth HACILTON M 25 F Kingston, Surrey, England
Rel: Wife
Ester ARNOLD U 18 F Maidstone, Kent, England
Rel: Wifes Sister
Occ: General Servant
Elijah ARNOLD U 16 M The Rabbits, Essex, England
Rel: Wifes Bro
Occ: Agricultural Laborer
Polly ARNOLD U 9 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Wifes Sister
Occ: Scholar
Priscilla HACILTON U 5 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Daughter
Occ: Scholar
Henry HACILTON U 1 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
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Blimey......... Im def lost now ;D ;D
Dont know what to look for ??? :)
Sue
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Dwelling: 9 Front Row Slykates Hill
Census Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341212 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0893 Folio 89 Page 31
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Ellen HARRISS W 30 F Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Hawker
William HARRISS 8 M Chatham, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Kate CONNEL W 77 F Cork, Ireland
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Hawker
Here's a Harris family of Chatham who are Hawkers... notice where they're living.
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Forgot to mention that two of those Arnold siblings are named Esther and Elijah... both of which are the names of siblings within the Hedges family who seem to have married into the Arnold family.
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Here's another couple of children of John Arnold and Maria Sophia Hedges:
ESTHER <ARNOL>
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
31 MAY 1863 Saint Paul, Chatham, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN ARNOL
Mother: MARY SOPHIA
ESTHER <ARNOLD>
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
28 JAN 1866 Saint Paul, Chatham, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN ARNOLD
Mother: MARY SOPHIA
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Blimey......... I'm def lost now ;D ;D
Don't know what to look for ??? :)
Sue
Me too Sue, no worries. I will have to go through all the posts tomorrow as not home so can't log anything.
I think I just may be related to every HEDGES in Kent, Sussex, Essex, Surrey, London and all the traveller families in the south east of England. Well that's what it is starting to feel like. ;D ;D ;D Shall we scream in unison. Ahhhhh ;D
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Here's another couple of children of John Arnold and Maria Sophia Hedges:
ESTHER <ARNOL>
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
31 MAY 1863 Saint Paul, Chatham, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN ARNOL
Mother: MARY SOPHIA
ESTHER <ARNOLD>
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
28 JAN 1866 Saint Paul, Chatham, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN ARNOLD
Mother: MARY SOPHIA
They will be useful. Thanks James. I'm guessing the first Esther died and the second replaced her.
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James you seem to be very knowledgable about the Medway area and the traveller families are you a local.
My Husband remembers some Arnold's from school they had a fearsome reputation in the Medway area.
Jenny
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No, I'm from Wiltshire and have never been to Kent, as far as I am aware.
However, I've come across some Yeowells in Ightham but they seem unrelated.
Having been researching for 18 years or so, you learn where certain surnames are prevalent.
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Plus the John Arnold we already knew about but didn't have a christening for:
JOHN ARNOLD
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
04 DEC 1859 Strood Near Rochester, Kent, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: JOHN ARNOLD
Mother: SOPHIA MARY
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And another:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
Arnold Sylva Maidstone 2a 1179
Hedges James Maidstone 2a 1179
Kidney Harry Maidstone 2a 1179
Whyman Sarah Maidstone 2a 1179
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Hi everyone
Sorry for my absence but I have just connected with a new Cousin on the Cornwall board woohoo for me!! ;D
Okay I must admit I am feeling a little lost ...a few of the previous posts seem to have been done before, so I feel alot is being repeated .....I know I found a Hedges /Arnold marriage way back...
I will see what I can do as far as a summary ...arrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh LOL :o ;D
deb
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Deb, these are different Hedges/Arnold marriages.
There's more than one of them it seems.
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No, I'm from Wiltshire and have never been to Kent, as far as I am aware.
However, I've come across some Yeowells in Ightham but they seem unrelated.
Having been researching for 18 years or so, you learn where certain surnames are prevalent.
Going off topic for a moment.
My husband wants to know If you have found any areas where the names WADHAMS and WATT are prevalent. I said as they are not traveller families you possibly don't. But I said I would ask so I have.
Yoewell Is not a name I have heard before, Is it a traveller name.
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No travellers in our family, no. There is rumour of Horse Dealers on my mother's side... possibly linked to the Housdens of Saffron Walden but we're not really sure.
I'm just helping out because I wanted to.
I shall look into those names. Most of my family are not from Wiltshire but London, Surrey, Essex and Cambridgeshire. I don't know of Watt but there are many Watts in Wiltshire and Hampshire.
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William Hedges b 1816 Underriver, Kent = Frances/Fanny Jennings Jenny's line
Children:
* William Hedges born 1832 Town Malling or Wateringbury Kent + Eliza Clarke
children;
1. John 1866 Chatham,
2. Thomas 1868 DITTO
3. Alfred 1870 ditto
4. James 1872 ditto
5. Albert 1875 Strood
6. William 1876 ditto
7. Frances 1879 ditto
8. Esther 1880/1 ditto
* Sampson born 1839 Gillingham Kent = # 1Bridget Friday = # 2 Margaret Perfect in 1858 Chatham
child:
*Sampson Hedges 1873 Chatham s/o Bridget
* Joseph Christened 9 April 1843 Halling Kent = died 1844
* Alfred born 1845 Borstal Rochester Kent = Eliza LEVONS 1865 Chatham
John Hedges 1866 medway
Thomas hedges 1866 Chatham
Alfred Hedges 1870 Medway
James henry Hedges 1872 Medway
Albert Hedges 1875 North Aylesford ...is he one of them on the marriages with Charlotte Bibby and the Hedges
William Hedges 1876 North Aylesford
Frances Mary A Hedges 1879 ditto ...named after her gran?
Esther hedges 1880 Strood Near Rochester
* John Christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent = Jane COOLEY 1878 gillingham.
added ... I have just deleted my whole summary for all the brothers ...Blimey :'( :-X :'(
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Sophia Christening Not Known born 1839 plumbsted Kent = John ARNOLD (children ; James 2 1859 Kent, John 1860 Stroud)
Known as Maria Sophia and Sophia Maria.
John Arnold and Maria Sophia Arnold had:
1. James Arnold, born about 1859, Kent
2. John Arnold, chr. 4 Dec. 1859, Strood Near Rochester, Kent
3. Esther Arnold, chr. 31 May 1863, St. Paul's, Chatham, Kent
4. Esther Arnold, chr. 28 Jan. 1866, St. Paul's, Chatham, Kent
I hope that doesn't mess up your posting too much.
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Hi James
No , it doesn't mess up anything ...i will just go back to that post and either add/amend/delete ..whatever
thanks for everything
deb :)
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I didn't notice this earlier but living next door but still at a cottage in Scockles:
Dwelling: Scocles Cottage
Census Place: Minster In Sheppey, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341232 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0978 Folio 27 Page 4
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
George WOODWARD M 27 M Minster, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Agricultural Labourer
Sarah A. WOODWARD M 32 F Sheerness, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Mary A. HEDGES 15 F Sheerness, Kent, England
Rel: Dau In Law
John HEDGES 5 M Minster, Kent, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Sarah E. HEDGES 3 F Minster, Kent, England
and nearby:
Dwelling: Parsonage Cottage
Census Place: Minster In Sheppey, Kent, England
Source: FHL Film 1341232 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0978 Folio 27 Page 4
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Benjamin FARRIER M 46 M Eastchurch, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Farm Servant
Sarah FARRIER M 40 F Minster, Kent, England
Rel: Wife
Benjamin HEDGES 1 M Minster, Kent, England
Rel: G Son
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Have been updating the summary post , page 28
please check ...Blimey I am still only at page 6 :o
deb
ooo i think I will colour code each of the brother's families .... all descendants will be according to the colours
James HEDGES = RED
William HEDGES = Blue
Job Hedges = Green
Thomas Hedges = Purple
now we can refer to them as eg; Red Charlotte as opposed to blue Charlotte etc
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Hi Deb
I said you was brave didn't I. It's so good to see you back.
Really pleased to hear you found a relative, thats always special.
I will have to go have a read of the Cornwall thread. At least I will if I ever get these HEDGES etc. sorted.
Oh my I have opened a can of worms. ;D
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Sophia Christening Not Known born 1839 plumbsted Kent = John ARNOLD (children ; James 2 1859 Kent, John 1860 Stroud)
Known as Maria Sophia and Sophia Maria.
John Arnold and Maria Sophia Arnold had:
1. James Arnold, born about 1859, Kent
2. John Arnold, chr. 4 Dec. 1859, Strood Near Rochester, Kent
3. Esther Arnold, chr. 31 May 1863, St. Paul's, Chatham, Kent
4. Esther Arnold, chr. 28 Jan. 1866, St. Paul's, Chatham, Kent
I hope that doesn't mess up your posting too much.
James I can't find a death Registration for the first Ester ARNOLD listed and am considering that there is only one Esther and that she was christened twice. I have heard of this happening before.
I am wondering if they had another child christened on the same day and had both done. Perhaps a check on cityark for both. I will go see what I can find.
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1841 - Oakwood, Wotton, Dorking, Surrey
Thomas HEDGES 40 ag lab
Eden 40
Elizabeth 15
Thomas 15
Jane 10
Sarah 8
Eden 6
Frederick 2
Elizabeth 30
John 4
Maria SIMMON 60 traveller
All listed as not born in Surrey
HO107/1081 folio 24 page 15
JEN .... see above ... Elizabeth 30 , John 4 ...living with Thomas and eden
Now is she a sister-in-law or a sister? If sis-in-law ...she may lead us to another brother or she may be a SISTER!!!!! age is right to able to fit inbetween all the brothers ...what do you think???
deb
added ...okay off to page 7 ...only another 22 to get through :o :-X
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Thomas Hedges 1801 = Eden Brewer
children;
* Elizabeth bc
* thomas bc
** Jane bc 1831
* sarah 1833
* Eden 1835
* Elvenor 1842 betchley Surrey
* Sampson 1846 Crawley
Jane Hedges was chr. 13 February 1831, Rusper, Sussex. She married Emmanuel Davis on 4 July 1864, Croydon, Surrey. They had issue:
1. Phoebe Davis, born about 1851, Blackheath
2. Vansloe Davis, born about 1854, Lewisham, Kent
3. Kezia Davis, born about 1857, East Peckham, Kent
4. Leonard Davis. chr. 29 Jan. 1861, Holmwood, Surrey
5. Amos Davis, chr. 12 Apr. 1863, Holmwood, Surrey
6. Elizabeth Davis, born about 1864, Dorking, Surrey
7. Isabel Jane Davis, chr. 25 Apr. 1865, Holmwood, Surrey
8. Jethro Davis, born about 1867, Dorking, Surrey
9. Ambrose Davis, born about 1872, Dorking, Surrey
10. Clara Jane Davis, born about 1873, chr. 25 Feb. 1877, Dorking, Surrey
Here's the 1881 census entry for the parents:
Dwelling: 2 Cyprus Terrace
Census Place: Reigate Foreign, Surrey, England
Source: FHL Film 1341188 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0798 Folio 36 Page 11
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Emmanuel DAVIS M 60 M Lewisham, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Sweep
Jane DAVIS M 52 F Dorking, Surrey, England
Rel: Wife
Jethro DAVIS 13 M Dorking, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Occ: General Labourer
Isabella DAVIS 16 F Dorking, Surrey, England
Rel: Daur
Jane DAVIS 7 F Dorking, Surrey, England
Rel: Daur
Ambrose DAVIS 8 M Dorking, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Eden Hedges, born about 1834, Shere, died about Sept. 1897, Guildford Registration District, Surrey. She married John Tickner, born about 1833, Shere, Surrey and had issue:
See Here: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/the.nook/charts/t/tickn507.htm
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ooo thanks james
i know we have this info already .... but I am still only on page 10 ...your info is so helpful as aI will not have to scour this LONG LONG thread HEE HEE
BTW Jen ....
1841 ...we found William Hedges 65 and 'son' Joseph 20 both chairbottomers in prison ... In 1841 did they round up ages if you were 16 or older ...if so joseph could be another brother born between 1816-1820 ..... or if they rounded down he could be born 1811-1815 either way he would fit in.
deb
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I've just found this and thought it was worth posting:
1881:
Dwelling: 63 Stockwell Road
Census Place: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Source: FHL Film 1341140 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0609 Folio 47 Page 11
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William A. DAVIS M 35 M Lewisham, Kent, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Baker & Confectioner
Charlotte DAVIS M 27 F Rye, Sussex, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: Baker & Confectioner Wife
William E. DAVIS 2 M Stockwell, Surrey, England
Rel: Son
Thomas CUMBERS U 17 M Romford, Essex, England
Rel: Assistant
Occ: Assistant
Margaret LOWE U 42 F Walsall, Stafford, England
Rel: Lodger
Occ: Cook Domestic Servant
William A. Davis could be related to the the Davis' who married into the Hedges... but also note Thomas Cumbers. Now datewise, he could be a brother of Alfred Cumbers. His place of birth fits too.
There's also a William, Samuel and Elizabeth Cumbers in Surrey, all except Elizabeth, born Romford, who also could be siblings.
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Deb
Elizabeth is a possibility as a sister but need to keep it open until we have some more evidence I think. Tried looking for her in 1851 but found nothing in Surry, Sussex Kent or Essex. that looks obvious to me.
I have Joseph chalked up as another possible brother, Hadn't thought about the age rounding up thing. So you have a good point there. Perhaps a hunt at some point for some more evidence will be on the cards. Needs putting on the to do list.
I'm sure there must be siblings out there other than the 4 we have as ages are to spread for there not to be more.
There are names repeated in the family over and over, the 4 brothers are in the habit of naming their children after the brother I'm sure they must have did it with sisters too. Stands to reason really.
Added.. I must leave you all as I am heading home soon babysitting finished. I will catch up with you all in the morning.
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Hi jenny
Blimey ...talk about a lot of info to go through LOL ...please check my summary om pg 28 ...
hope there is no mistakes ... I'm on page 12 now :-X ;D
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A little out of context but still useful for the database:
1881
Dwelling: Milton Road
Census Place: Romford, Essex, England
Source: FHL Film 1341420 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1744 Folio 10 Page 14
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Alfred CUMBERS M 52 M Romford, Essex, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Cattle Dealer
Rosa CUMBERS M 50 F South Ockenden, Essex, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: Cattle Dealer Wife
Alfred CUMBERS U 21 M Romford, Essex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Cattle Dealers Son
Samuel CUMBERS U 15 M Romford, Essex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
George Haydon CUMBERS U 12 M Romford, Essex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
John CUMBERS U 10 M Romford, Essex, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Maud Parker CUMBERS U 2 F London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Grandchild
Occ: Scholar
Would you say Cattle Dealer was an itinerant occupation?
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Oh and what about this in 1901 ;D
Enfield, Middlesex RG13 / 1272 / 50/ 42
Elijah Hedges head age 33 b Dartford, occ hawker
Elizabeth wife age 26 b Hepworth, Suffolk
Living in caravan
And in next caravan
Thomas Thipthorpe head age 41 b Walkwell, Essex, occ hawker
Olive wife age 34b Southlea, Kent
Alice dau age 11 b Romford
Elvey dau age 9 b Cheshunt
John son age 7 b Uckerton, Essex
Albert son age 6 b Cheshunt
Eliza dau age 4 b Romford
Olive dau age 2 b Cheshunt
Tom son age 2 months b Ware, Herts
Did we have a Olive somewhere ???
Added........ This may be Elias's son, Elijah
marriage
Olive Hedges = Thomas Thipthorp
Dec q 1887
Rochford Essex
4a 603
which Olive is this????? I am assuming that the elijah next door is her brother ....
Blimey
deb
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I believe it's Olive Hedges, daughter of Elias Hedges and Alice Reynolds.
I have noted her down as born about 1866 in Southfleet.
Southfleet/Southlea
I think it's her. Yes, she has a brother named Elijah as well.
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* Eden 1835 died 1897 = John TICKNER in 1856 Guildford
Children;
Jane Tickner 1857 Shere Surrey
Eliza Tickner 1858 ditto
Elizabeth Tickner 1860 ditto
Eilena Tickner 1864 ditto
sarah Tickner 1865 ditto
Eden Tickner 1868 ditto
John t Tickner 1870 ditto
Alfred Tickner 1872 ditto
James Tickner 1873 ditto
(Maud Longhurst is eden's gr dau b 1885 Wotton ...who does she belong to?)
Emma
TICKNER
born about
1864
Shere, Surrey
possibly died
March
quarter
1886
Dorking district
Surrey
Age 23
married
September
quarter
1883
Dorking
district
Surrey
Frederick
LONGHURST
There you go.
Eilena is a mistranscription of Emma, I believe.
Oh and Maud is actually a Martha.
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Thanks James ...I was getting a little confused as I also have an Olive who married a SPENCER ....
on page 13 now ... LOL
ooo just seen your last post James ...Thanks so much ...yoy are making it much easier. If you could check the summary you may be able to help me fill in stuff ;D
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I'm ahead of you there, Deb!
In relation to the Tickners, check the web link I posted, it has all the descendants of John Tickner and Eden Hedges on it.
I'll repost it: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/the.nook/charts/t/tickn507.htm
Oh and the Tickners fit into my own tree, which means I have this branch of the Hedges in there. Hopefully when we can determine if they're all brothers, I'll be able to merge my other database in with it. I am not related to the Tickners, however, they just link to other families that married people who are related to me.
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yep ..I remember you connecting your Tickners to jenny's hedges ... I do remember that John Tickner's DOB was out though :-\
I am going to have to divide the summary up into seperate ones for each brother as thesummary is almost exceeding 5500 characters ;D :o :o :o :o
deb
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seperating the brother's summaries:
We have possibly, 4 brothers
James Hedges b 1815 Plumstead Kent = Eliza Jennings
Children:
* Esther Christened 14 June 1835 Dartford Kent= William ARNOLD or Thomas WHEEL/E 1858 Romford
* Sophia Hedges born 1839 plumbsted Kent = John ARNOLD in 1858 Romford children ;
James 2 1859 Kent,
John 1860 Stroud,
Esther chr. 31 May 1863, St. Paul's, Chatham, Kent,
Esther chr. 28 Jan. 1866, St. Paul's, Chatham, Kent)
* Selina Chr 12 July 1840 Lidsing Kent = Edwin ARNOLD in 1866
child;
Edwin Arnold b Mar q 1867 died mar q 1867 Medway
Selina Arnold nee hedges died decq 1867 Medway
* Golias/Elias Born 1842 Aylesford kent = Alice Reynolds (Janice's line)
children
1 Alvy/Alby 1865 = Alfred CUMBERS kids,
Elizer 1885 dartford
Eliza 1888 dartford
Olive 1891 Herts, flamstead
Alice 1893 ditto
Phillis 1897 ditto
Henry 1899 ditto
2. Olive 1867 Southfleet Kent = Thomas Thipthorp/e in 1887 kids;
Alice 1890 Romford
Elvey 1892 Cheshunt
John 1894 Uckerton, Essex
Albert 1895 Cheshunt
Eliza 1897 Romford
Olive 1899 Cheshunt
Tom 1901 Ware, Herts
3. Elias 1869 Kirnson Kent
4. Elijah 1870 Erith Kent
5. Lottie/Charlotte 1874 Sussex Raleigh
6. Thomas 1876 Kent Sittingbourne
7. Henry 1877 Essex Woodford
8. Phoebe 1878 Essex Weathersfield
9. Celia 1880 Romford
* Elijah born 1845 Cliffe Kent
*Alfred christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent
* Olive Hedges, chr Olivia 1 feb 1851 Cliffe Rd, Frindsbury Kent = William SPENCER
children;
1. Elias 1864 Upton Manor, Essex
2. William 1865 Barking rd
3. Henry 1864 b Woodford
4. Eliza 1868 3 Cambridge
5. Mary A 1869 Writtle
* Thomas Hedges b 1853 died 1854 ...Jenny has death cert!
* Henry 1855 Essex Molton
* Rosa 1857 Rochford Essex
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Job Hedges b 1821 Berkshire,Windsor = Rosanna Swan
Children;
* William born 1838 Tonbridge Wells Kent
* Harriet Christened 27 Sept 1840 Yalding Kent
* Job born 1843 Breadhurst Kent.= = Phoebe Gumble
kids=
1. Job 1866-1868,
2. Ruth1867-1876,
3. Caroline 1868, essex
4. Nancy 870, essex
* James Christened 11 May 1845 Hoo Kent = Eliza elizabeth Staines
* Jeremiah Christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent = Sarah Ann EASTWOOD
according to 1901 ...these are their children:
mary A 1879 maidstone
Walter 1883 Upton Park Essex
Jeremiah 1887 ditto
Sarah A 1888 ditto
Elvas dau 1889 ditto
James 1892 ditto
Caroline 1895 ditto
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Blimey ...I just deleted almost everything from my summary on page 28
The only thing there is William hedges = fanny Jennings
Blimey :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( I am crushed
deb
added ...will do thomas and eden tomorrow
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Sorry to hear that, Deb.
I shall try and help you fix it tomorrow.
Oh and yes, John Tickner's birth was out and it wasn't the John Tickner I originally thought. However, the John Tickner he actually is, is still linked in to my tree.
And I just found a Tickner in Cambridgeshire that may have married an Andrews relative of mine... please don't tell me there's a link there as well!
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just bringing this forward
William Hedges b 1816 Underriver, Kent = Frances/Fanny Jennings Jenny's line
Children:
* William Hedges born 1832 Town Malling or Wateringbury Kent + Eliza Clarke
children;
1. John 1866 Chatham,
2. Thomas 1868 DITTO
3. Alfred 1870 ditto
4. James 1872 ditto
5. Albert 1875 Strood
6. William 1876 ditto
7. Frances 1879 ditto
8. Esther 1880/1 ditto
* Sampson born 1839 Gillingham Kent = # 1Bridget Friday = # 2 Margaret Perfect in 1858 Chatham
child:
*Sampson Hedges 1873 Chatham s/o Bridget
* Joseph Christened 9 April 1843 Halling Kent = died 1844
* Alfred born 1845 Borstal Rochester Kent = Eliza LEVONS 1865 Chatham
John Hedges 1866 medway
Thomas hedges 1866 Chatham
Alfred Hedges 1870 Medway
James henry Hedges 1872 Medway
Albert Hedges 1875 North Aylesford ...is he one of them on the marriages with Charlotte Bibby and the Hedges
William Hedges 1876 North Aylesford
Frances Mary A Hedges 1879 ditto ...named after her gran?
Esther hedges 1880 Strood Near Rochester
* John Christened 1 Oct 1848 Hunton Kent = Jane COOLEY 1878 gillingham.
added ... I have just deleted my whole summary for all the brothers ...Blimey :'( :-X :'(
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Okay ...couldn't give in ...got over the MAJOR deletions so here is some of Thomas hadges info;
Thomas Hedges b 1801 = Eden Brewer
Children
Elizabeth 1826
Thomas 1826
Jane 1831
Sarah 1833
Eden 1835 = John Tickner in 1856 Guildford Surrey
Children:
Jane Tickner 1857 Shere Surrey
Eliza Tickner 1858 ditto
Elizabeth Tickner 1860 ditto
Eilena Tickner 1864 ditto ...she could be Emma who married Longhurst
Sarah Tickner 1865 ditto
Eden Tickner 1868 ditto = Horace BATES (Bricklayer) in 1891, Guildford surrey
Children = Annie E Bates 1893 Shere
Eden Bates 1894 Shere
Horace 1896 Shere
Walter J H Bates 1899 Wotton
John t Tickner 1870 ditto
Alfred Tickner 1872 ditto
James Tickner 1873 ditto
(Maud Longhurst is eden's gr dau b 1885 Wotton ...d/o eilena/emma??
(listed with them in 1841 is Elizabeth 30 and John 4, also Maria Simmon 60 a traveller)
Frederick 1839
deb
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James
Do you have children of Hedges and jane Cooley?
deb
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Just to let you know, John Tickner and Eden Hedges are resident at Sutton Place, Shere, Surrey on every census from 1841, so they should be easy to find. That information is via the website I posted earlier. It's very informative.
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James
Do you have children of Hedges and jane Cooley?
deb
I do not have any noted down, sorry. I also cannot find them on the 1881 census. I shall try and look for them again tomorrow.
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Do we already have this
ELIAS HEDGES
Christening: 06 SEP 1868 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Parents:
Father: ELIAS HEDGES Family
Mother: ALICE
ELVEY HEDGES ( Is this Alby or Olive) Christening: 09 SEP 1866 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Parents:
Father: ELIAS HEDGES Family
Mother: ALICE
NANCY HEDGES (I already have this but looks like they was West Farleigh quite a lot) Christening: 25 SEP 1870 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Father: JOB HEDGES Family
Mother: PHEBE
ROSA HEDGES
Christening: 11 SEP 1864 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES Family (Think I'm getting William Phobia. Who is this married to an Olive?) Mother: OLIFF
Just after this post I found a Sampson Hedges s.o Thomas and Oliff born same place
now we know that Elias hedges (s/o James and Eliza, and married Alice Reynolds) had a baby brother Thomas who died in the cholera epidemic in 1854, So who would Thomas be who married Oliff and was having children at the same time frame in the same place?
here we have Job s/o Job (one of the brothers) = Phoebe Gumble
Elias s/o James (one of the brothers) = Alice Reynolds
Thomas s/o ?? = Oliff??
deb
added ..is the Rosa Hedges chr 1864 one of those who was on the Marriage with Charlotte Bibby and the hedges boys?
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James
Do you have children of Hedges and Jane Cooley?
deb
I do not have any noted down, sorry. I also cannot find them on the 1881 census. I shall try and look for them again tomorrow.
Deb I have the census for John and Jane for 1871. 1881. 1891 and 1901. On each one there is only John and Jane with no children listed. I'm guessing they couldn't have children. In 1871 they are living with Parents William and Frances who are on the page before. Also living there is Alfred and Eliza another son of William and Frances. So if John and Jane had children they don't seam to be recorded on the census. Did we find some elsewhere.
Jenny
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Here I am flying in from the Corke/Cooley Kent thread!!! ;)
I don't think that Jane Cooley and John Hedges had any children. I have had a look for her as I think she is the sister of my Richard Corke/Cooley, and I have her up until 1901 through the censuses (except, of course, the frustrating 1851 where all my lot are missing).
There seem to be no children in any. So unless there were children who died - haven't found any of them, yet - there are no children of that marriage.
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Hi All,
Do we still need to find out about Thomas Hedges b 1801 other children or have
we got this info already :)
What are we still looking for Jenny?
Sue
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Do we already have this
ELIAS HEDGES
Christening: 06 SEP 1868 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Parents:
Father: ELIAS HEDGES Family
Mother: ALICE
ELVEY HEDGES ( Is this Alby or Olive) Christening: 09 SEP 1866 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Parents:
Father: ELIAS HEDGES Family
Mother: ALICE
NANCY HEDGES (I already have this but looks like they was West Farleigh quite a lot) Christening: 25 SEP 1870 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Father: JOB HEDGES Family
Mother: PHEBE
ROSA HEDGES
Christening: 11 SEP 1864 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES Family (Think I'm getting William Phobia. Who is this married to an Olive?) Mother: OLIFF
Just after this post I found a Sampson Hedges s.o Thomas and Oliff born same place
now we know that Elias hedges (s/o James and Eliza, and married Alice Reynolds) had a baby brother Thomas who died in the cholera epidemic in 1854, So who would Thomas be who married Oliff and was having children at the same time frame in the same place?
here we have Job s/o Job (one of the brothers) = Phoebe Gumble
Elias s/o James (one of the brothers) = Alice Reynolds
Thomas s/o ?? = Oliff??
deb
added ..is the Rosa Hedges chr 1864 one of those who was on the Marriage with Charlotte Bibby and the hedges boys?
Sue I'm not at all sure what to be looking for at the moment. I am rather hoping that Debs summery might make clear where we need to be looking next.
Having said that this William and Oliff needs further investigation along with The Thomas and Oliff that deb mentions. Are you following me. What do you think.
ROSA HEDGES
Christening: 11 SEP 1864 West Farleigh, Kent, England
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES Family (Think I'm getting William Phobia. Who is this married to an Olive?) Mother: OLIFF
There is also mention of another Brother (Joseph HEDGES mentioned in prison 1841) and a Sister (Elizabeth mentioned on a census with Thomas senior) for the 4 brothers, that could do with further investigation.
Take your pick. ;D
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Ok im not sure about this ???
Have been trying to find about Olive who married Thomas Tripthorpe :)
We have them in 1901 but i found this marriage
Apr-May-Jun 1918 Olive Tripthorpe in Rochford Essex to a Welch
Vol 4a Page 1119
Have you heard of travellers named Welch Jenny?
Also i have not found a death for Thomas so ???????
A confused Sue ;D
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OK I'm not sure about this ???
Have been trying to find about Olive who married Thomas Tripthorpe :)
We have them in 1901 but i found this marriage
Apr-May-Jun 1918 Olive Tripthorpe in Rochford Essex to a Welch
Vol 4a Page 1119
Have you heard of travellers named Welch Jenny?
Also i have not found a death for Thomas so ???????
A confused Sue ;D
Thomas TRIPTHORPE and Olive HEDGES had a daughter Olive TRIPTHORPE b. 1899 in Cheshunt at the time of the above marriage that you found,she would be 18 and this is most likely her marriage to Welch
I don't know of Welch being a travellers name.
This is my theory does it make sense to you.
Jenny
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Yes Jenny........ That would make sense ;D ;D
Ok back to it ;D
Sue
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Ok im not sure about this ???
Have been trying to find about Olive who married Thomas Tripthorpe :)
We have them in 1901 but i found this marriage
Apr-May-Jun 1918 Olive Tripthorpe in Rochford Essex to a Welch
Vol 4a Page 1119
Have you heard of travellers named Welch Jenny?
Also i have not found a death for Thomas so ???????
A confused Sue ;D
Sue I can't find the marriage on FreeBMD. It says No matches found. ??? Is that where you found it in 1918 or have I got something wrong.
Don't know if it will help Eden wife to Thomas died in 1869 Mar Q Aged 73 Guildford 2a 39. Thomas may have died in same area or around same date, no guarantees though. ;D
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Got the marriage from A------y, i had no luck on Free BMD so tried there ;D ;D
Sue
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I have the 3 brothers who were in prison in 1841 so do we have any other info on them at all?
Do we know if they married? Also what have we got for Joseph and Elizabeth, marriage etc :)
Thought id look into these as im stuck again ;D ;D
Sorry for asking im just lost ::) Where is Deb when you need her ;D ;D ;D
Sue
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Hi
I'm here ... ;D It was really late last night when I was doing the sumaries and then when I deleted them I was crazy mad !! ;D
I made an error ....sorry!!.... :-[ :-[
what I meant to say;
there are 2 children for William and Oliff Hedges;
Rosa = 11 SEP 1864 West Farleigh
and william = 11 SEP 1864 West Farleigh
same date!!!!
so who is WILLIAM?
Blimey I am so sorry that you have been on a wild goose chase..
deb will be back after another coffee ...have just got up!
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Ok im not sure about this ???
Have been trying to find about Olive who married Thomas Tripthorpe :)
We have them in 1901 but i found this marriage
Apr-May-Jun 1918 Olive Tripthorpe in Rochford Essex to a Welch
Vol 4a Page 1119
Have you heard of travellers named Welch Jenny?
Also i have not found a death for Thomas so ???????
A confused Sue ;D
Sue I can't find the marriage on FreeBMD. It says No matches found. ??? Is that where you found it in 1918 or have I got something wrong.
Don't know if it will help Eden wife to Thomas died in 1869 Mar Q Aged 73 Guildford 2a 39. Thomas may have died in same area or around same date, no guarantees though. ;D
Sue I'm still not clear on this marriage I can only find this (Note the spelling of the surname) If this is the correct spelling of Olives surname then the marriage is not hers because of the following entry which arrears to be her death she still has her maiden name so didn't marry ???
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Added..... AHHHH no I'm SOOOOOO confused all these dates dont add up got to give up on Thripthorpe/ Thipthop/ Tripthope whatever it is. Just brain scrambled, can't do it. :'(
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So pleased your up Deb ;D ;D You are def needed ;D
Jenny.... That makes her death 1821 then, so could have been her marriage but name wrong ;D ;D
Oh how annoying, thought id got something there ::)
Sue
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Hi sue :)
Hi Jenny :)
Hi James :)
Hi Igor:)
just found this on IGI
Marriage , submitted
JOSEPH HEDGES = Elizabeth COOPER (another big Gypsy Family)
age of husband = 18
age of wife = 17
married = 22 FEB 1851 Bocking, Essex
Thomas is s/o THOMAS
do we have tis couple anywhere?
deb
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just found this on IGI
Marriage , submitted
JOSEPH HEDGES = Elizabeth COOPER (another big Gypsy Family)
age of husband = 18
age of wife = 17
married = 22 FEB 1851 Bocking, Essex
deb
Hi Deb This is the Joseph Hedges I have on my tree it could be one of these but haven't checked if the dates would work out. My brain won't do dates today. Hang on these that I have are both to late. So who is this one. He would be born about 1833. To late to be an addition to the 4 brothers.
Joseph HEDGES b 1874 son of Alfred HEDGES and Eliza LEVONS Marriage UNKNOWN
Joseph HEDGES b 1843 son of William HEDGES and Frances JENNINGS Marriage UNKNOWN
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Deb cant find that Joseph in 1861 but have found these deaths for Joseph ???
Dec 1844 Joseph Hedges N Aylesford
Mar 1855 Joseph Hedges Medway
Wonder if the 1855 one could be the one you found ???
Sue
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Looks as if the HEDGES liked to get their children baptised when they came hopping/fruit picking in Kent - lots of September christenings.
Have you tried the HEDGES Rootsweb mailing list (especially this post)?
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/hedges-uk/2003-10/1067291441
or
The HEDGES Study - a database with over 62,400 entries.
www.hedges-study.org.uk/one_name_study.htm
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Hi Bearkat
Nice to see you :)
Thanks for all the links ....they are great. :)
Jen , Sue
Geez ..... I think the missing 1851 holds all the clues ....typical!
I am trying to figure out Joseph , chairbottomer in prison in 1841 (remember ages rounded up or down , can't remember which way :-\)
also who is Elizabeth in 1841 with son John living with Thomas and Eden?
deb
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Oh gosh, that link just confuses us even more! Those Hedges are of Cambridgeshire and Hertfordshire... places we've not really looked into yet! And apparently they're of the travelling community as well.
This just gets harder with every new bit of information! Perhaps if we start looking in Cambridgeshire, we could somehow make a link?
Of course, the link between all these families could be in the 18ths century or even earlier. I have no history of the travelling community but don't just suppose they turned up in the middle of the 19th century, so when did all these families start to live like this? It also seems many later brancehs settled down and became labourers or.
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I have the 3 brothers who were in prison in 1841 so do we have any other info on them at all?
Do we know if they married? Also what have we got for Joseph and Elizabeth, marriage etc :)
Thought id look into these as im stuck again ;D ;D
Sorry for asking im just lost ::) Where is Deb when you need her ;D ;D ;D
Sue
All we know of Joseph is he is listed as 20 according to the 1841 census he would have been born in 1821
(which is the same year as Job HEDGES who he may be brother to.)
As for Elizabeth it is the same, we have an entry on the 1841 census where she is living with Thomas she is 30 so will be born 1811.
As Deb reminded me they rounded ages of all those of adult age. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) they rounded up/down to the nearest 10.
Having said that I am looking at the originals and It looks like they are rounding to the nearest 5 as they have entries of age 25 and 35 etc.
Blimey how are you supposed to work out how old they were. Why couldn't they just put their correct ages down. Grrrrrrrr.
I hate numbers, it's no wonder I get lost.
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I believe they round up for those over the age of 14. So anyone aged less than 14, should in theory, have the correct age.
I've seen many ages recorded correctly on the 1841 census in my time though. In fact, I've not come across rounded up entries as much as I thought I would.
The entry you speak of, however, does indeed look like it is rounded up in some way. Very confusing!
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hi according to Bearkat's link we have this info;
Sarah Jane HEDGES (b 1854 Ware Herts) d/o Joseph HEDGES and Emily LINTON
married Joseph Crane Lane in 1871 , Romford
Joseph her dad was s/o WILLIAM HEDGES (Joseph bc 1818 maybe Cambridge area)
Joseph Hedges and Emily Linton (married 1838) had : Mary Ann, Emily, George, Joseph, William Ann, Henry Matthew, Sarah Jane /Jane
ummmmm arrghhhhh
deb
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Linton is a town in Cambridgeshire as well.
Many of my ancestors were baptised there... hmm.
Here's their marriage:
EMILY LINTON
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: JOSEPH HEDGES
Marriage:
24 SEP 1838 All Saints And Saint John, Hertford, Hertford, England
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could Joseph who married Emily be Joseph chair bottomer in prison with his dad William? the age would fit!
deb
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So how do these relate to me if at all. Sorry but i can't see a connection. struggling now ???
ADDED..... Ahhhh I see where you are going with this now Deb. Possible but how to prove it.
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Jenny
Perhaps Joseph Hedges who married Emily Linton could be another BROTHER
Joseph is bc 1818 possibly cambridge...his father is WILLIAM
all your Brothers have a DAD , WILLIAM
There is also Joseph in prison aged 15-20, with his dad William in 1841, both chairbottomers ....if we could find Joseph and Emily in 1851 we could maybe figure out if they do connect with your brothers.
deb
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There's this too:
JOSEPH HEDGES Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
15 JUL 1831 Braintree, Essex, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: THOMAS HEDGES Family
Mother: SARAH
That would fit for the Joseph Hedges that married Elizabeth Cooper. Well, his age is out by 2 years but that's not a big problem.
But then you also have this guy:
JOSEPH HEDGES Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
04 OCT 1835 Saint Michael, Saint Albans, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: THOMAS HEDGES Family
Mother: SARAH
Same family?
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They're separate families, I believe, both Thomas and Sarahs had other children in their respective areas.
Here's the marriage for the Braintree Thomas Hedges:
THOMAS HEDGES
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH RAYNER
Marriage:
14 NOV 1816 Braintree, Essex, England
Children:
1. Thomas Hedges, chr. 23 Aug. 1822, Braintree
2. Mary Maria Hedges, chr. 23 Aug. 1822, Braintree
3. William Hedges, chr. 24 Jul. 1824, Braintree
4. Emily Hedges, chr. 6 Jul. 1827, Braintree
5. Sarah Hedges, chr. 6 Mar. 1829, Braintree
6. Joseph Hedges, chr. 15 Jul. 1831, Braintree
7. Edward Hedges, chr. 2 Oct. 1833, Braintree
8. Charles Henry Hedges, chr. 9 Mar. 1836, Braintree
Note: Thomas and Mary Maria were christened together, so both of them could indeed be born before 1822, especially as the couple married in 1816.
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found Joseph Hedges and Emily Linton with their kids in 1851 ...NO CLUE there, Joseph a sawyer :-\
will look at 1841
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Deb..... i Just found that one as well ;D ;D
Sue
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okay guys .... I think we can calm down on that family ... ;D ;D ;D
I have found them in 1841 , same place, same occupation ...so this JOSEPH is NOT Joseph the chairbottomer in prison in 1841
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What about the Braintree family?
I'm also thinking they're not linked because they seem to stay where they are.
Edward Hedges, son of Thomas and Sarah Hedges seems to have married in 1851:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1851 (>99%)
Chenery Mary Ann Braintree 12 27
Cook Sarah Rebecca Braintree 12 27
Copeman John Breeze Braintree 12 27
Dyball Harriet Frances Braintree 12 27
Harvey James Braintree 12 27
Hedges Edward Braintree 12 27
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OK Deb do we move on to Elizabeth. 1811 ish
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Can I be a pain and ask for that 1841 census entry with Elizabeth and John Hedges on it?
I've lost track again.
Thanks.
Edit: no need, found it
Could this be John Hedges?
JOHN HEDGES Pedigree
Male
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
22 OCT 1837 Aldbury, Hertford, England
Death:
Burial:
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM HEDGES Family
Mother: ELIZABETH
There was a John christened in Kingston Upon Thames in 1837 as well but his mother wasn't an Elizabeth.
Plus the above couple, William and Elizabeth, seemed to only have two sons, a Thomas Hedges, christened in 1834 and the above John Hedges.
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Jenny....... Where do we think Elizabeth b 1811 ish was born please :)
Sue
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Jenny....... Where do we think Elizabeth b 1811 ish was born please :)
Sue
I'm not Jenny but all we know is she wasn't born in Surrey and neither was John (possibly her son, although it doesn't say what their relationship is). Also realise she may have had her aged rounded, so she could have been born before or after 1811.
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Perhaps this is a silly question but has someone checked Windsor parish records or put out a request to get them checked?
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Perhaps this is a silly question but has someone checked Windsor parish records or put out a request to get them checked?
No I haven't. Is that possible.
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just found this on IGI
Marriage , submitted
JOSEPH HEDGES = Elizabeth COOPER (another big Gypsy Family)
age of husband = 18
age of wife = 17
married = 22 FEB 1851 Bocking, Essex
Thomas is s/o THOMAS
do we have tis couple anywhere?
deb
have just found this;
IGI
JOHN COOPER HEDGES s/o Joseph Hedges and Eliza COOPER
1839 Aston Abbots, Buckingham
:-\ :-\ :o
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Perhaps this is a silly question but has someone checked Windsor parish records or put out a request to get them checked?
No I haven't. Is that possible.
Perhaps at the Berkshire board, someone maybe willing to be of assistance. It's worth a try.
I don't believe Old Windsor is on the IGI. Of course, he could have been non-conformist as well. There also is a chance he hasn't been christened but I still definitely think it's worth your while asking, you never know!
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just found this on IGI
Marriage , submitted
JOSEPH HEDGES = Elizabeth COOPER (another big Gypsy Family)
age of husband = 18
age of wife = 17
married = 22 FEB 1851 Bocking, Essex
Thomas is s/o THOMAS
do we have tis couple anywhere?
deb
have just found this;
IGI
JOHN COOPER HEDGES s/o Joseph Hedges and Eliza COOPER
1839 Aston Abbots, Buckingham
:-\ :-\ :o
That surely is a mistake? If he was 18 in 1851 (or 20, if that christening in 1831 is for him), then how could this possibly be him?
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Having said that:
Births Jun 1838 (>99%)
Hedges John Cooper Aylesbury 6 309
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)
Clare Elizabeth Amersham 3a 413
Clare John Amersham 3a 413
Fincher Elizabeth Amersham 3a 413
Hedges John Cooper Amersham 3a 413
Very curious indeed!
I think we have two different Joseph Hedges marrying two different Eliza/Elizabeth Coopers.
As I suspected:
JOSEPH HEDGES Pedigree
Male Family
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZA COOPER Family
Marriage:
13 SEP 1836 Padbury, Buckingham, England
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A quick question:
Do we have any proof that the Sarah Ann Eastwood who married Jeremiah Hedges was the one born in September Quarter of 1856?
I just feel this isn't her.
The baptism of a Sarah Anne Eastwood, daughter of James Eastwood and Sarah, in Hadlow in 1850, fits much better for her.
Do we have her on a census anywhere?
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Just wish to mention something relating to the ARNOLD'S mentioned earlier.
Many years ago I called into Chatham Ref. Library and photocopied some old (1932 is the earliest but mostly 1960 ish) and some not so old news clippings about Gypsies most relate to an area known as Sugar loaf Hill, Chatham, Kent. A Gypsy encampment.
I have a list of names that I have extracted from the clippings that include ARNOLD and many others that may be of interest to others researching Travellers from the area .
Do you think I should put this list of names on a separate thread.
some of the family mentioned in these news paper clippings include....
ARNOLD
EASTWOOD
BRAZIL
SMALL
PERFECT
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A quick question:
Do we have any proof that the Sarah Ann Eastwood who married Jeremiah Hedges was the one born in September Quarter of 1856?
I just feel this isn't her.
The baptism of a Sarah Anne Eastwood, daughter of James Eastwood and Sarah, in Hadlow in 1850, fits much better for her.
Do we have her on a census anywhere?
I have nothing but her name on my tree so far as i wasn't sure either and got a little mixed up with all the eastwood's :-[
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The whole link to Burwash, Sussex confuses me though.
The Burwash Eastwoods are traceable. However, there's Eastwoods in Kent in the 18th century as well... so I have this feeling that John Eastwood who married Harriet Jennings maybe unrelated to the Burwash Eastwoods, despite being born there. I don't know... hmm.
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Perhaps this is a silly question but has someone checked Windsor parish records or put out a request to get them checked?
No I haven't. Is that possible.
Perhaps at the Berkshire board, someone maybe willing to be of assistance. It's worth a try.
I don't believe Old Windsor is on the IGI. Of course, he could have been non-conformist as well. There also is a chance he hasn't been christened but I still definitely think it's worth your while asking, you never know!
James What should I put on the Berkshire board. I have no idea any suggestions.
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That's a coincidence...
I was just over at the Berkshire board and noticed posts about a Jeremiah Hedges of Farrington, Berkshire.
However, I'm not sure if there is a link. His father was also a William Hedges, I believe.
Sue (aka Jamajo) has been posting in that thread, so she may know more.
But yes... you can post a request looking for a possible baptism/christening for a Job Hedges, in Windsor (or a parish nearby) for about 1821 (give or take 5 or so years). With a possible father named William Hedges and possible siblings as well.
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Will have a look at that James ;D
Dont remember it but then again i do a lot of look-ups on Berkshire as i have many PRs
for the area ;D ;D
Sue
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Well just checked it and the Jeremiah the father was a tailor, his son Jeremiah was a bootmaker
not sure it will be any of your family though Jenny.
I also done look-ups for a Charles Hedges occ tailor who married a Mary Cooper
b Faringdon. They married in 1829 and one witness was a Benjamin Cooper.
Not sure that these will link with yours Jenny but names of their children are unusual. Having
searched these PRs i do know there were travellers in Faringdon also other places nearby.
If you go to Berkshire Look-up Requests board you will see all info on different Hedges families
that i have looked into ;D ;D
Sue
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HI
back ...I found jeremiah Hedges and sarah Ann on one census ...will try to find them
deb
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Will have a look at that James ;D
Dont remember it but then again i do a lot of look-ups on Berkshire as i have many PRs
for the area ;D ;D
Sue
Do you happen to have access to Windsor?
I realise this could also come under Buckinghamshire as well, though.
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found this old post ;
Quote from: deb usa on Friday 21 November 08 14:28 GMT (UK)
I have found this marriage Jenny
Jeremiah Hedges = Sarah Ann Eastwood or Harriet Tanner
dec q 1870
Romford Essex
4a 181
Jeremiah b 1848 s/o Job
I found the marriage of the other couple ...quote from pages back;
Jenny ...re the marriage of Jeremiah ...the other man on the page was a Sidney Eaton
I have found Sidney Eaton , b 1849 with wife HARRIET in Romford , Essex on the 1871 census ...
so if Sidney Eaton = Harriet Tanner then Jeremiah Hedges must = Sarah Ann EASTWOOD.
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I think I have found them in 1901
West Ham , 64 Boelyn St
Jeremiah Hedges head mar 50? contractor of House or Horses carts/Carv. b Essex .. wonder if he was making Vardos/caravans
Sarah Ann wife 47 b Kent Eltham
Mary A dau 22 unm b Maidstone
Walter son 18 b Essex Upton park
Jeremiah son 14 b Ditto
Sarah A dau 13 b Ditto
Elvas dau 12 b Ditto
James son 9 b Ditto
Caroline dau 6 b Ditto
okay I wonder if we can find sarah Ann EASTWOOD b c 1856 Eltham and see if we can connect her to the other Eastwoods we have.
deb
added ...errrr it seems she married young ....
Blimey ...so confused now
deb
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Sorry James i dont have anything on Windsor at all ::)
I have Oxfordshire Marriage Index (1538-1837 ) Winsor wont be on here but is it worth me doing
a search for these families do you think ???
Not sure they would be in this area though ::)
As you said Jenny needs to post for a Windsor look-up ;D
Sue
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Yes, she would have been 14/15 when she married... that's why I thought that birth registration for 1856 was the wrong one but now it seems it's the right one.
Unfortunately that particular record is very faint and you cannot see the registration district.
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Done the look up request. Hope it's OK. Not sure :-\
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Sorry James i dont have anything on Windsor at all ::)
I have Oxfordshire Marriage Index (1538-1837 ) Winsor wont be on here but is it worth me doing
a search for these families do you think ???
Not sure they would be in this area though ::)
As you said Jenny needs to post for a Windsor look-up ;D
Sue
Ah, if only you had later records, because my Stevens were from Oxford. However, it seems they moved from Buckinghamshire. I may message you privately though with some look-ups.
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Oh...... I see Jenny has made a post for Job Hedges on the Berkshire board ;D
Lets hope she gets the answer to her question ;D
Good find Deb :) wish i could keep up with it all though ;D ;D
Sue
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James just let me know sometime and i will try and help ;D ;D
I have asked for PRs for Oxford for Christmas ;Dont know if i'll get them though ;D ;D
Sue
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Received 2 Marriage Certs today Details are....
1892 at Register Office Medway
17 April 1892
Henry HEDGES 22 Bachelor General Sly Kates Hill William Laborer
Laborer Chatham HEDGES
Rose Ann CARTER 21 Spinster Sly Kates Hill Charles (deceased) Laborer
Chatham CARTER
Witnesses are George BROOM and Charlotte HEDGES
The very next wedding is for
1892 at Register Office Medway
17 April 1892
George BROOM 22 Bachelor Bargeman King Street George BROOM Waterman
Rochester
Charlotte HEDGES 21 Spinster Sly Kates Hill William HEDGES Laborer
Chatham
Witnesses are Henry HEDGES and Rose Ann HEDGES
Henry and Charlotte HEDGES are brother and sister as I thought.
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You can also work out when the weddings took place. Charlotte was still a Hedges at her brother's marriage, so she got married afterwards but on the same day.
It adds a little more anyhow.
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Ohhhh Jenny ...I feel so bad, as it was I, who suggested that they might be cousins. :-\ :-[
I wonder if the marriage with the hedges and bibby girl would be worth ordering ?
deb
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Ohhhh Jenny ...I feel so bad, as it was I, who suggested that they might be cousins. :-\ :-[
I wonder if the marriage with the hedges and bibby girl would be worth ordering ?
deb
Deb
Don't you dare feel bad. You have done so much and worked so tirelessly to solve my queries and it has been so confusing for us all. Better to know that not know. Any way I should have checked my records before ordering and I would have noticed. It really is no great loss. It is also great to see my Great uncle Henry's marriage Certificate and to see his marriage was immediately before his sister Charlotte's It must have been a lively day for them to both marry on the same day.
You are right about ordering the others could I ask you to pull the details forward so I can order them ;D
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Hi Jenny
here it is;
Marriage
Sept q 1894 Rochford Essex
Charlotte BIBBY .... big gypsy family
Elijah HEDGES
Albert HEDGES
Rosa HEDGES
Do you know who these Hedges belong to? eeekkkkk LOL
deb :)
thanks , Jen ....you've made me feel a bit better about you ordering the marriege certs. :D
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Thanks for that Deb. all ordered. ;D
Will let you all know what I get, Exciting.
When I went to double check the details I noted there was also this...Do we know who Priscilla HEDGES is. Note also the George BIBBY. I wonder if they married.
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1894
Bibby George Rochford 4a 710
Cotton Andrew Rochford 4a 710
Hedges Priscilla Rochford 4a 710
Pilgrim Lilly Rochford 4a 710
Also Ordered the death Cert. of James HEDGES born 1815. Well at least I think it's his death won't really know until it arrives. Eek. Worth a try.
Thank you so much for all your help.
Jenny
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Hi there- I am not quite sure if this is what you are looking for, but my great-great-grandmother's name was Albey Hedges, and she married Alfred Cumbers, and was located in Romford, Essex & Herts. She reportedly was a traveller, but that is all the information that I have on her. If she is related to the brothers, please let me know, as this would help fill in some gaps. She had about 12 children and seems to have given birth to Elias (1885) in Tralon, Kent, Eliza (1887) Southend-on sea, and Olive (1891) & Alice (1892) in Flamstead, Herts. It would be wonderful to know more.
Hi
This is first time I have used Rootschat so basically I do not know what I am doing but I shall give it a try.
The Elias you have is my granddad but to confuse things on his birth and death certs he was Alfred but the rest of the time he seems to have used the name Elias. He was born in Teston Kent and died in Romford in 1957. His mother I think was called Alvey and not Albey and this seems to be logical since my grandad's daughter was also called Alvey.
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Hi there- I am not quite sure if this is what you are looking for, but my great-great-grandmother's name was Albey Hedges, and she married Alfred Cumbers, and was located in Romford, Essex & Herts. She reportedly was a traveller, but that is all the information that I have on her. If she is related to the brothers, please let me know, as this would help fill in some gaps. She had about 12 children and seems to have given birth to Elias (1885) in Tralon, Kent, Eliza (1887) Southend-on sea, and Olive (1891) & Alice (1892) in Flamstead, Herts. It would be wonderful to know more.
Hi
This is first time I have used Rootschat so basically I do not know what I am doing but I shall give it a try.
The Elias you have is my granddad but to confuse things on his birth and death certs he was Alfred but the rest of the time he seems to have used the name Elias. He was born in Teston Kent and died in Romford in 1957. His mother I think was called Alvey and not Albey and this seems to be logical since my grandad's daughter was also called Alvey.
I Keith good to hear from you. You managed to post with no problems. Feel free to have a practice on here, we are very understanding.
So Elias was Given the name Alfred I never expected that. Are you able to confirm his birth date and date of death for me.
Just wondering how you are managing to understand the thread. Are you able to follow it.
Jenny
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Hi Jenny
I am very much groping in the dark with this whole family history thing. It seems that most of the ancestors used a different name to their given name and grandad's wife used the surnames Yelding and Hilden at different times. My uncle told me that this was to avoid the taxman.(not that any of them paid a penny in tax in their lives.) Granddad was born Alfred Cumbers on 14th Sept 1985 at Teston near Maidstone in a traveller's caravan and he died on 2nd July 1957 at Elm Road Collier Row. I presume that Alvey was related to your Hedges as they all seemed to be Licensed Hawkers and travelled from place to place together. (This is what my Uncle told me). I have not been able to find any BDM certs for my grandad's siblings Olive, Alice, Phyllis and Henry so if you find any info on them I would be pleased to know. I haven't got as far as going back to the Hedges side yet but I might get there eventually. Which of Alvey and Alfred's children is your ggrandparent?
I am going around in circles so I haven't got as far as drawing up a family tree but I shall get there eventually. I cannot really follow the threads very well but was it you who mentioned the Old Rose and Crown.? I would love to know where it was as my Dad was born there but I never heard it mentioned when I was living at home. ( long time ago now)
Thanks Keith
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Hi Keith
Firstly I will try to explain how we are related.
Your grandfather was Elias CUMBERS born 1885 My Grandmother was Ena HEDGES born 1914
Mother to Elias is as you know Father to Ena is
Alvy HEDGES 1845 Samson William Henry HEDGES 1862
Parents to Alvy are... Parents to Samson are...
Elias HEDGES 1844 and Alice REYNOLDS 1846 William HEDGES 1832 and Eliza Clark 1834
Parents to Elias 1844 are... Parents To William 1832 are...
James HEDGES Abt.1815= Eliza JENNINGS 1816 William HEDGES Abt.1815= Frances
JENNINGS1814
We have good reason to believe James HEDGES 1815 and William HEDGES are brothers
We also believe Eliza JENNINGS 1816 and Frances JENNINGS 1814 are Sisters.
I hope I have done this in a way that you can see the connection. I have descended from William HEDGES 1815 while you have descended from his brother James HEDGES 1815.
The lady who descended From Alvy and Alfred is Janice, she was with us on the forum for a while but we haven't heard from her in a while. I hope she pops back as you and her must be even closer related that you and I. I think she was the one who mentioned the Old Rose and Crown.
Can I ask who Elias (Alfred) Cumbers Married and the names and birth year for any children they had if you know them it will help me to understand fully how we are connected as I have no idea what happened to your Grandfather Elias as he grew up. It would be nice to fill in the spaces.
Regards Jenny
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Hi Jenny
I don't think that I shall even attempt to research the Hedges line judging by the headaches you have had. I thought that I would print off all the messages on this subject and ended up with 166 pages to read at my leisure.
I have got about a quarter of the way through and there is some very interesting stuff. I saw some references to IGI christenings/baptisms. Can you tell me where I can find this as some time ago I found an interesting website for gypsy baptisms in Kent where I got some good information. I also noted that you live in Kent which is strange since I spent 30 years living in north Kent (must be the gypsy blood in us taking us back to our roots). If you are registered with GenesReunited I can open my family tree to you so that you can get some idea of where I come from. I am rubbish with computers and I just fiddle about but I am going to see my daughter tomorrow and her husband is a bit of Nerd so I shall get him to list some of the old photographs I have, although I am not 100% sure who the people are. One other little snippet I remember from my youth, is that an old boy in a pub in Ongar told me that Alvey Cumbers (Hedges) used to go around Collier Row in a cart pulled by an old brown and white mare. No relevance really but it might tie in with the comment that she was a travelling carpet saleswoman.
Thanks for your help and I shall get back to reading up on the pages I printed off.
Keith
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Welcome, Keith, to the forum.
I do not have anything to add but I just wanted to say that I forgot to mention the fact I have ancestors from Flamstead in Hertfordshire, where some of the Hedges lived for a time. My Ginger and Potton families intermarried (they were from Great Gaddesden and Flamstead) and were not travellers but I don't think they were particularly well off either.
I just thought I would mention them. A lot of the families in this area of Hertfordshire became Methodists and many of their baptisms and marriages can be found in Luton, Bedfordshire, whilst they were still living in Hertfordshire.
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Hi
Thanks for the information and I shall certainly look for connections between the families. At the moment I am feeling a little overwhelmed with all the information as I am new to this type of research.
If I do find any connections I shall come back to you
Many Thanks
Keith Cumbers
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Keith,
Somewhere amongst this long thread I found another Cumbers on the 1881 census. If you know how he links in, it would be great to know.
Thanks.
James R. Yeowell.
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Hey Girls:
You're both out for the night. Anyway, I contacted a distant relative who has been doing a chart and who sent me some attachments that I can't open a few years ago. I have contacted her again tonight. She told me that a couple of years ago that she could trace back to Samuel Hedges in 1771. Who knows, maybe this is the father of all the brothers!!!!!!! Anyway, looks like we are going to solve it one way or the other.
As for me, I was raised in Romford, Essex, and most of my mother's immedate family lived in Collier Row. Grandfather Cumbers and Alvey owned an old pub called the Rose and Crown (according to my mother), and also owned the land near Clock House Lane, that became a housing tract after WWII. Romford must have been a little village in those days.
When I get the chart, I will paste it on the site for you. J.
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Hi Jenny, Sue , Janice and james ....and a big welcome to Keith
WOOHOOO Jenny another connection ..... :D
Keith ...I followed Alvy/alby and her family during this thread..I have no idea what page as their are so many LOL
Janice, is directly linked to her so apart from finding Jenny on thei thread , you have found Janice a direct ancestor .... I will try to find the child of Alvey and Alfred Cumbers that she is linked to.
best wishes
deb :)
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Hi all
Back agin ...I have contacted Janice by PM ...she is the gg grandaughter of Alvy/Alby (nee Hedges) and Alfred Cumbers .... I have yet to find which child of theirs she is related to.
Hopefully she comes in soon
deb :)
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Hi Everyone
Been out of action for a few days but back now with 2 more marriage Certificates. Heres what I have
Deb you will like these.
1894 The parish Church parish of Prittlewell Essex.
378 Aug 7 Albert HEDGES 21 Bachelor Traveller Prittlewell Elijah HEDGES Hawker
1894 Rose HEDGES 22 Spinster Traveller Prittlewell Jeramiah HEDGES Traveller
Albert Hedges X his mark Witnesses Cecilia HEDGES
Rose Hedges Arthur Busles (I think this is what it says)
1894 The parish Church parish of Prittlewell Essex
379 Aug 7 Elijah HEDGES 23 Bachelor Traveller Prittlewell Elijah HEDGES Hawker
1894 Charlotte BIBBY 21 Spinster Traveller Prittlewell John BIBBY Traveller
Elijah Hedges X his mark Witnesses Rose HEDGES
Charlotte Bibby X her mark Alvey HEDGES
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Hi Jenny
OHHH MYYY!!! Now to sort out who is who.
so we have ;
Rose hedges d/o Jeremiah ..is he s/o JOB ?
Albert Hedges s/o Elijah ...s/o JAMES?
= two 2nd cousins marrying?
ooo just seen Alvey was at the weddings :D
deb
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Ah, this is excellent news.
Am I correct in thinking both these couples had children? I am sure there's reference to this somewhere, of so, could you relist the census entries please?
Also, who did Elijah Hedges marry?
There's this entry on FreeBMD:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
ATKINS Alice Dartford 2a 383
FLETCHER Edith Jane Dartford 2a 383
Harding Mary Dartford 2a 383
HEDGES Elijah Dartford 2a 383
HUNT Herbert Edwin Dartford 2a 383
Perfect Rose Dartford 2a 383
POFFLEY Arthur Thomas Dartford 2a 383
ROBINSON Alfred Dartford 2a 383
THOMAS Eliza Jane Dartford 2a 383
Wilkes Matilda Dartford 2a 383
Rose Perfect seems the likeliest candidate from the above. We also know the Perfect family were travellers and Rose was very much a travellers name too.
Thanks.
James.
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Hi again everyone.
Sorry to be slow in reply but I have been away for nearly a week.
Did Deb manage to find out who Janice is related to, as I am very keen to contact her.
I have noticed on the certificate of marriage of Alvey Hedges to Alfred Cumbers I think that she must of lied about her age by a couple of years to make herself 21. Also one of the witnesses was Olive Hedges who I presume was her sister. The other witness Harry Shepherd. Does anybody know who he was?
The Hedges line down to my family is as Jenny said, from James Hedges b1816.
Thank you all again for your help.
Regards
Keith
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Hey Girls:
You're both out for the night. Anyway, I contacted a distant relative who has been doing a chart and who sent me some attachments that I can't open a few years ago. I have contacted her again tonight. She told me that a couple of years ago that she could trace back to Samuel Hedges in 1771. Who knows, maybe this is the father of all the brothers!!!!!!! Anyway, looks like we are going to solve it one way or the other.
As for me, I was raised in Romford, Essex, and most of my mother's immediate family lived in Collier Row. Grandfather Cumbers and Alvey owned an old pub called the Rose and Crown (according to my mother), and also owned the land near Clock House Lane, that became a housing tract after WWII. Romford must have been a little village in those days.
When I get the chart, I will paste it on the site for you. J.
Hi Keith
This is the last post that we received from Janice it was on Saturday 22 November. We haven't heard from her since I'm afraid. Have you tried sending her a PM. She mentions above that she is the granddaughter of Alfred Cumbers and Alvey Hedges. Sorry I can't help more. I do hope Janice joins us again.
Jenny
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Hello Jenny
I have just stumbled across your posts on the Hedges family. My name is Peter and I can confirm that we are related. My great grandfather is Henry Hedges who is your great uncle. I was amazed to see a photo of him as I do not have one. Do you have any other photos of the Hedges family? My nan is Eliza Hedges born 1894. I remember seeing Henry Hedges just the once but my nan pulled me into an alley because she did not want to see him. I am afraid he was not a nice man but I can tell you about that later. I trawled through all 36 pages of the posts and I can help confirm some of your findings. I have extracted some of the pages to have a look at later but did you manage to solve your original problem about the Hedges brothers and subsequently who their parents were? By the way I was brought up the Brook area of Chatham but I currently live in Gillingham.
This is the first time I have posted anything on Roots Chat.
Let me know if I can help
Regards
Peter
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Hi Peter, great to hear from you. Well done for managing to get through all those posts. Sorry I haven't got back to you earlier I have been rather busy, of late. I am pleased you enjoyed the photo of Henry I must get a decent copy to you. I have often wondered about Henry's descendant's and realized there was possibly some still in madway. As far as I can remember I was told Henry and Samson were close brother and got on well. They looked very much alike in the photo I have only Samson is taller. Feel free to email me at email address removed by moderator - please use the secure Rootschat personal message system to exchange personal email addresses - thankyou and I can see to it you get a quality copy of Henry's photo.
Regards Jenny
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hi,
l am intrigued by all the info l have read about my great great grandfather Henry Hedges. my nan was Rose Anne Hedges, Elizas sister, Peters nan. l also heard a few stories about Henry. been trying to get a message up here for ages. l have no pictures of my ancesters so was really pleased to see Henry and Samson and your lovely nan. this is all so very exciting. l have been researching my family hiatory since last year and have now been able to check my information with yours. also add some more.
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Hello India 2
My name is Peter and my nan was Eliza Hedges the sister of your nan Rose Ann Hedges. I have a photograph of Eliza with a lady who I believe is her sister Rose Ann. Perhaps you may be able to confirm this for me. You are correct about Margaret Boswell. In fact my nan adopted her daughter Joyce after she died. My mum Rose always moaned about the fact that she had to share her bedroom with Joyce. I have a photo of Joyce with Eliza. I also have a some stories about Henry Hedges your great grandfather. However I am not sure that they should be aired in the public domain. If you care to send me more details about yourself and your e-mail address then perhaps we can go into more detail.
Regards
Peter
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Hi
Welcome India :)
I am so excited for you all!! ...making connections with lost family, is always so fabulous! Hopefully Jenny and Janice will be back soon , so that the connection will come full circle.
deb :D
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hi Peter,
thats brilliant! l am so excited. l agree that that Henry's should not aired in public. my nan would have nothing to do with him when she grew up.
is it safe to send my email adress on here, or is there another way. l would love to see the photo. The only one l have seen of her when she was young was the one my aunt Liza had. that was when l was a child.
cant wait to let you know more. lovely to meet you.
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hi Debs.
thanks for the welcome. l have been researching my history for years. finally it seems like l am getting somewhere.
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Hi India
Welcome to Rootschat
is it safe to send my email adress on here, or is there another way
Personal email addresses are not permitted on the boards here on Rootschat but you can use the Rootschat personal message system to exchange personal email addresses - click on the persons name who you wish to send a personal message to (to the left of any post they have written) and you will see their profile page where there is the option to send a personal message. These messages are personal between yourself and the recipient.
Casalguidi :)
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hi Casks
thanks for that and thanks for the welcome
;D
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hi peter,
did you receive my message. ??? not sure if l did it right.
Tricia
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Hi All and Peter and Debs
I have finally found a moment to let you all know I am still popping in to read the posts every now and then, but am just so busy at the moment.
I have no time for family research.
It is good to hear everyone is getting on nicely and making progress.
I was a little surprised about Henry Hedges having such a bad reputation. I only knew of him because my Nan Ena HEDGES mentioned him being on the Hoadley wedding photo. I was never told anything about the Chatham branch of the family. Except that Samsons parents lived there and that his mother used to sit on the front doorstep and smoked a clay pipe.
Regards Jenny
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hi jenny,
didn't mean to upset you about Henry, my great grandfather, but l am afraid he did have a bad reputation. In fact it would be nice to hear something good about him. :-\
Don't know about the Hoadley family. It looks as if we have some of the same ancesters. its great to be able to check receords.
l too know what busy is and my time has been restricted considerably in the last few months. Just getting back into it.
By the way loved the photos. l didn' have any until l joined this site. Brilliant. Good luck to you all
Tricia
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Hi Everyone
Been out of action for a few days but back now with 2 more marriage Certificates. Heres what I have
Deb you will like these.
1894 The parish Church parish of Prittlewell Essex.
378 Aug 7 Albert HEDGES 21 Bachelor Traveller Prittlewell Elijah HEDGES Hawker
1894 Rose HEDGES 22 Spinster Traveller Prittlewell Jeramiah HEDGES Traveller
Albert Hedges X his mark Witnesses Cecilia HEDGES
Rose Hedges Arthur Busles (I think this is what it says)
1894 The parish Church parish of Prittlewell Essex
379 Aug 7 Elijah HEDGES 23 Bachelor Traveller Prittlewell Elijah HEDGES Hawker
1894 Charlotte BIBBY 21 Spinster Traveller Prittlewell John BIBBY Traveller
Elijah Hedges X his mark Witnesses Rose HEDGES
Charlotte Bibby X her mark Alvey HEDGES
hi i just quoted this marriage on another topic, (margaret boswell in kent ) could i ask where abouts are you from, ? only i got this from local church records and was wondering if you are local/ :)
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The Henry Hedges I know, was born in 1892, his father was also Henry Hedges a labourer. Henry
married Margaret Boswell in 1914. Her father was Jonh Boswell a horse dealer. They lived at
9 Regents Court, New Road, Chatham, Kent. I believe there is another Henry Hedges family.
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I believe there is another Henry Hedges family.
Perhaps this one .... ?
Topic: Margaret BOSWELL in Chatham, KENT Help needed
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,364229.0.html
Bob
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Hello Joyce
Have I found yet another relative on the Hedges side of the family. The address 9 Regents Court was the address that my nan Eliza Hedges gave when she married my grandfather Tommy Hughes in 1914. I haven't managed to find Regents Court. I think that it was somewhere near the New Road in Chatham. I am always after photographs. Do you have any of the Hedges family?
Best Regards
Peter
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In reply to your message, yes I do have a photo, but I'm not sure how to send it. I will send as soon
as I get someone to help me. Other address's that they lived in, were,Best street,Russel square,
Hoopers road Rochester, and Princess street, Rochester. Grandad (Henry Hedges) also used the name Carter-Hedges. My uncle, William Hedges now lives in Gillingham.
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Hi,
I wonder if anyone has any information on Henry Hedges, born 1891, father also Henry, mother was
Rose Ann Carter, parents weren't married at the time. Henry born 1891, married Margaret Boswell on
24 August 1914. I'm unable to trace anything on Margaret, except that she was born about 1892,
and died 11 August 1935. Henry and Margaret had many children, some didn't survive, but the others
were, William Rose, Ellen, Margaret, Joyce and George.
Thanks, Joyce
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Hi Joyce,
your grandfather was my Nan's brother. l heard he was a very nice man. My mum Mary lived opposite Henry and Noony (Margaret Boswell) in Best St. Chatham. They all went away fruit picking to Iwade, where the farmer took my mum and Ivy to the little village school. they travelled with his own two children like stunt riders on his motorbike mum tells me. It was while they were away that Noony went into labour. She walked all the way back to Chatham on her own to Best st. when the others realized she had gone they returned to find her in a very bad way. Unfortunately she died soon after they returned. my mum was about ten at the time and remembers the funeral vividly.
l have quite a few stories that mum used to tell me when l was a little girl. She,s a brilliant story teller and l was fascinated. l have related a lot of them in my autobiography that l am working on.
Unfortunately l have no photos other than the ones Peter kindly let me have. l would be pleased however, if you have any l can share. if you would like any more information that maybe l can help with, don't hesitate to ask.
best wishes
Tricia
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Hi India 2
Thank-you in replying to my message. You didn't mention your nan's name? I have a few photo's, I hope I make a good job of sending them.
Regards Joyce Campbell.
PS Do you live in the UK?
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hi joyce,
they are brilliant. thanks. Nell hasn't changed a bit. Although l had never seen a picture of Henry when he was young, you can tell he is family just by looking at him. My nan was Rose Ann Hedges. Everyone knew her though as Annie Giddins. Aunt Annie. Just noticed your name is Campbell. Not related to the Campbells in Chatham? My nans best friend was Kate Campbell. l was brought up in Chatham but moved to Suffolk in later life.
Best wishes
Tricia
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Hi Tricia,
I remember a George Giddings,I know he used to go and help my uncle George on his smallholding in Upchurch, picking cherries. I'm not sure if Iv'e spelt his name right. My mother was Margaret Mary Ann. I was married to Stanley Campbell, he used to live in Great South Avenue. Date of his birth was
11-03-1941, we parted in 1982, and he died in1998.
Regards Joyce Campbell.
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oh yes Joyce, uncle George went every year l remember. He loved it. l remember calling in at the nearby pub to see him while he was away at your uncles We were coming home from Sheerness and called in on the off chance l have to break off now to go to collect my grandchildren from nursery. be in touch soon
Best wishes
Tricia
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Hi all, i found this thread in connection to the Boswell search but only got part way through...too big a read....but a giant wow and hats off to you, Deb for all that searching and to all the others who helped...
Look at all the family ties found and united!
Did you ever make the connection, then? :-\ Can't justify that long a read to see if William & Susanna were the right
parents, etc...
and here's something I found with a few more Hedges/ because you simply haven't enough...( also Cumbers, eastwoods, etc)
Travellers in Kent Baptisms /Marriages and Burials
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gypsy/gypsy.htm
Boswells in : Travellers in NORTHANTS Baptisms 1751-1812
http://www.northants-familytree.net/travellers.htm
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Hi everyone
Sorry to barge in midway through the thread but it appears I am also related to this line of the Hedges family. Rose Ann Carter 1873 who married Henry Hedges 1869 are my great great grandparents. My nan is one of the daughters of Rose Ann Hedges and William Giddins. I recognise (I think) some of the people on here despite their user names from another site. Its great to get further information and find out how far the family tree extends. My nan's decendents live in the North west now and have for many years. It would be great to hear tales from long ago.
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I have just discovered this post and find it fascinating. My grandfather is Joby Hedges and his father is James Hedges (born 1905). James had Brothers named Joby, Henry, & Jack (John?). Their father I believe was also called James & married Mathilda Matthews. Clearly from the family christian names they fit somewhere into the family you have all been researching but can anyone tell me where, please?
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Hi, I am new to this site but wish I had found it 3 yrs ago when I started researching into my hubbys ancestry. His grandfather was Walter hedges son of Jeremiah Hedges. I have filled in soooooooo many gaps with the help of all of you on here. Now I can put Job Hedges' (1821) father as William 1776, I have been stuck on this for 12 months. Does any one know any background on Jeremiah Hedges 1849. My late father in law said that my late mother in law had said that when Jeremiah died people lined the streets and apparently there are newspaper photos of it. My hubbys cousin also confirms this as she has seen the pic herself many yrs ago. Any help you can give will be gratefully received. :) :) ;)
Since I posted this I have found that I am on the wrong track a bit
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Hello, you haven't given any details of where they were born? Would need a little more information. By the way, do you use Genes
Reunited site? It's also a great help.
Regards Joyce.
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Hi thanks for replying, the details are
Walter Hedges 1886 Upton park essex married Olive Upton born 1891 in 1908 (hubbies grandparents)
Walters father was Jeremiah b 1849 upton park essex wifw Sarah Anne b 1854
Jeremiahs father was Job b 1821 - 1906 in windsor Essex wife Rosa Swann 1819-1886 marr in 1863
Jobs father was William Hedges 1776 in Essex wife Susannah.
I have used Genes Reunited before but I much prefer Ancestry.co.uk.
Would love any info on Jeremiah and would love to be able to go further back than William.
Many thanks
I was on the wrong track here sorry!!! back to the drawing board
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hi
i have some info on Hedges family,
Alfred Hedges married Eliza Scoones and they had a daughter called Florence Ethel Hedges,she was born on 18th August 1882 at The Orchard,Strood in Kent.Alfred was a General labourer.Alfred's parents were William Hedges born approx 1806 and Frances ?born 1812,they married in 1840,I dont know howmany siblings Florence had.
Florence married William Henry Parkinson(formerly Parker)and they married in Portsmouth,they had 4 children,William jr,Eric,Sidney and May.Sidney was my father.
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Hi my mother was Mary Hedges before getting married her father wasHenry Hedges married to Mary Cotterell and lived in Sandhurst Berkshire His Father was Alf Hedges married to Matilda Matthews and they had eight children Alf, Jimmy, Mary, Eliza, Jack, Henry, and Joebe I ahve lots of info from this time on but I am looking for info on who Alf Hedges mother and father were I know Alf hedges was from Winchester Hampshire thanks
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wow this is a very interesting thread. I dont think i have seen anything like it. i belive that i am decendant of job hedges.
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Hi Len,
glad you like it. Brilliant eh. There is so much info to sift through. it seems we are related and have now found out haw far back we go. :o
i would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a very merry christmas. This thread has been so useful to me. l keep coming back fittinga bit more in.
pity l cant do the same on the Giddins/Reed/. But who knows.......
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HI
Its the first time i have been on roots chat and after spending ages researching the hedges family
find that you have been having the same problems as my self and it looks as if i had made contact
with your self a long time a go i maybe could have saved some time.
My grandmother was Harriett Hedges born 1885 daughter of job hedges who died 1887 and Phoebe Gumble who died 1927 Harriett married Ben Harris in 1910 in Chadwell saint Mary, James Hedges
Harriett's bother also married Lydia Harris Ben's sister on the same day, in the same church thought
you might like that info as its the sort of thing that throws you when researching. it would be great to hear from you and maybe we can share info, etc email address removed by moderator in accordance with Rootschat policy - please use the secure personal message system to exchange email addresses - thankyou
kind regards Ian
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Hi cocksy,
not sure who you are talking to. l am always intersted in anything about the Hedges Family. Hope you find it as useful as l have. Good luck!
Nennefer. The more l hear fom you, The more l think we must be of the same line. Your contributions have been most helpful to me. Thankyou.
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As this topic is getting longer and longer, it has been split.
Part #1 is here
Topic: Need Advice on connecting HEDGES brothers #1
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,336043.0/topicseen.html
And here's a tip for all the newcomers, (and for those who've been here a while, but didn't know this :) ),
if you want to read the whole topic through, use the "Print" button.
More about this here: http://www.rootschat.com/help/faqs.php#long_topics
Bob
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Hi, I'm new here but I see alot of people are looking for Hedges.
I'm a Hedges, my father is Joby he had brothers called Albert, John & James (Jimmy). There are also 2 sisters named Maude & Eileen
His father's name was James & was married to Lena he had brothers called Henry & Jack I'm sure there were others but without asking my dad I'm not sure of there names. They lived in Berkshire.
Hope this helps someone.
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hi serena,
thanks for your info. i am always interested to hear about the hedges family. my grandfather was henry hedges.
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Which Henry Hedges are you on about? My husbands g grandad was Henry, he also had an uncle Henry Hedges and also a cousin named Henry with whom we are in contact with.
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Hi Berlin Bob,
Thanks for that Print Button tip, I was one of the didn't know brigade.
Lucky I browsed this board on a whim, my great aunt Councellatta (by marriage) was a Romany, her mother's maiden name was Nancy Hedges who married Dives Flack in 1892 at Chelmsford, Essex, so seeing the name Hedges I thought let's have a look and there was your useful tip. Just shows it pays to go with 'gut feelings'. ;D
Regards.
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hi, I need help with hedges tree.
Eliza Scoons marriedAlfred hedges, they had 14 kids, one of which was james, james married Ester Watkins, they had a bunch ofkids, onebeing Mary Ann Elizabeth She is my grandmother.
I am looking for information on LillianElizabeth Ann hedges,sheemigrated to canada mariedto who?
Hope someone canhelp
when it comes to going back further,Iamgettinglost with all thehedges family trees, would be nice to connect to someone whoknows what I am on about,
regards
becky01
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Hi Becky,
I seem to remember something about my mums aunt who moved to Canada. i think she knows the name. I will find out for you. I know thwy had a son called Buddy. My mothers mother was Roseanne Hedges. that may have been your nans sister.
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Hi thanks for information.
My grans brothers and sisters were Albert, Edmond, Edith, Rebecca, John, William, alfred and gran Mary Ann Elizabeth.
I know that Lillian Elizabeth Ann [1885] went a couple of times before she emigrated aged 40 . She sailed on the montroyal to quebec 26 april 1924, was living at guy street montreal canada first arrived st john 17th March 1917 then departed for england 4 may 1922 passage paid by husband??? this is all I have so anything would be of great help. Thanks Becky
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Was talking to allen and down-under seem to have lost connection
can you help mewith the puzzle of florence 1897
becky01
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sorry i am a bit confused at the moment. could not talk to mum today about it. will try again though. still on it.
you say you are descended from james? i am descended from william. His brother???
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Hi India 2
so, you are a decendant of william, james's brother. Hello, where do I start???
becky01
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Hello India 2
you are related to william, great. as I said Im a decendant of James, can I ask what information you have on williams part of the tree. as I have none.
regards
Becky
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yes certainly do you belong to Genes Reunited? if you do I can give you access to my tree.
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Hi India 2
yes I have stuff on Genes Reunited. how do I make contact with you?
becky01
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Hi It's Janice. Please contact me again if you read this. Thanks!
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Hi Janice, how can I helpYou?
becky01
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Hi,
Thought I'd add a piece of the large Jig Saw puzzle in case someone might be interested in Nancy Hedges, daughter of Job Hedges and Phoebe Gumble.
Nancy married a Gypsy/Traveller Dives Flack in 1892 at Chelmsford (Essex) Registry Office.
Councellatta Flack daughter of Dives and Nancy married my great uncle Arthur Searles in 1924 at Little Leighs Essex parish church, Arthur was not a Gypsy/Traveller.
Regards.
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Help me please
I hope that the people you are talking about are my family
James hedges born 1815 is my 3 great grand father traveller.
My nan is Annie spencer traveller cornwall.
I am so stuck can any one help x x x
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Hi Emma :)
Welcome to Rootschat!
Have you read through part 1 of this thread ...there is so much information :D
Have you traced your nan's family back to James Hedges? Who are her parents and grandparents?
Where are you stuck? I hope we will be able to help you!
deb
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Hi Emma
My 5xgrandfather was Thomas Hedges, James' brother. Lots of us about -good hunting
Maggott
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So here you go......
My mum Lynette Palmer 1952
My nan Annie Spencer 1913 to 1995
My great grand mother selina Cramfield (traveller) 1876 to 1934
My great grand father ELISA spencer (traveller) 1874
My great great grand father William spencer (traveller) 1850
My great great grand mother Olivia hedges 1851 to 1892
My great great great grand father James hedges 1815
My great great great grand mother Eliza 1816
I can see loads of information on the previous pages
I am stuck on the spencer side big time I can only get back as far as William :-(
Do you know the death of James? I am off to the village of Aston abbotts tomorrow as I understand they settled in the village or am I wrong?
I am so new to the family tree research and love would love to find some family as we are very small and know nothing about our family history
Thanks once again x x
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Hi Emma :)
Nice to see you back! If you can give us a little more info we may be able to help!
Where was William Spencer (1850) born?
Do you have his children's names, DOB and POB?
What censuses do you have him and his family in?
Do you have Olivia's marriage certificate to William Spencer? If so who is his father and his occupation? who were the witnesses ...etc etc ...all info could be relevant.
I don't have any connection to the Hedges family ...It was a great search though! :D
deb
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William spencer was born Colchester essex
He married Olivia 2nd oct 1871 Romford Essex
I have the following censuses
1871 Chelmsford
1881 west Thurrock
The children are
ELISA 1874
William 1875
Henry 1876
Eliza 1878 to 1945
Mary a 1880
I think William ended up in tottenham London and was a licensed hawker all his life as was his child my great grand father ELISA.
I love the traveller life so would love to know more
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Hi Emma
William b 1850 is proving hard to find.
I have found these two baptisms, one of which would confirm your William ending up in Tottenham by 1911.
Baptism:
Edmonton, Christ Church, Southgate, Middlesex
Born June 26th, 1878
Bapt 1 Sept 1878
Eliza Spencer, child of William and Olivia, Living in Romford Essex, William’s occupation: Basket Maker
A new child to add:
Hackney, Stoke Newington, St Matthias
2nd Jan 1887
Esher Spencer (could be Esther?) child of William and Olivia Spencer, Barratt Grove, Occ: Licensed Hawker
Now that we have Esher/Esther this could be him in 1901:
Charlton, London
William Spencer, head, wid, 50 Oilcloth? Hawker b Barking Essex
Annie dau, 19 ………. Could she be Mary A?
Esther dau 13
Albert son 11
I will look more more
Deb
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Emma
What are the details from William and Olivia's marriage cert? Does it state his Dad's name at all?
deb
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Blimey I've just discovered this thread and Ive got all these people in my tree! I hope this thread isnt super old, either way I'll go through it all.
How exciting!
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Welcome to Rootschat vic3y
Yes, this thread is a bit old, but everyone who posted on it will get a notification that you've added a comment and may be linked.
If you do find a connection and would like to be in touch directly, just post 3 times (you can do this by saying Hello twice to this ;)) and then you will be able to send a personal message to a specific person by clicking on the image of a piece of writing in a circle under their name.
I have to say that with this thread, most people who participated will remember it very well! :D
Enjoy Rootschat, well worth exploring the other boards here....
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Just located some material I couldn't find before, I doubt it will help this topic but I'll throw it in just for the record
As I stated previously Councellatta Flack,aka Councie, aka Connie, is my great aunt by marriage, she married my paternal grandmother's brother Arthur Searles, Concellatta is the daughter of Dives Flack and Nancy Hedges. Arthur Searles was not a Traveller or Romany, Councellatta was said to be a Romany.
Register Office, Chelmsford, Essex:-
23 Feb 1892 Dives FLACK 23 years bachelor hawker of Chelmsford son of Thomas Flack Horsedealer and Nancy HEDGES 21 years spinster of Chelmsford dau of Job Hedges, deceased, Hawker Wits: Edward Fewell and Mary Ann Fewell.
Hedges info obtained by me from the Public Trees on Ancestry.com
The parents of Nancy Hedges are Job Hedges a licensed Hawker (born 1843) and Phoebe Gumble (born 1841), they married in 1864 at Romford, Essex, Job & Phoebe said to be born in Bredhurst, Kent.
Their children:
Job born 1866 in Essex
Ruthie born 1867.
Caroline born 1868 in Romford, Essex.
Nancy born 1870 in Birmin, Kent. (baptised 25 Sep 1870 at West Fairleigh, Kent.)
Carry born 188?
Harriett born 1884.
James born 1888.
I'm very grateful for Councellatta marrying Arthur, that marriage adds a bit of colour to my almost colourless tree, the only other person to do so was an ancestor sibling who was the last man hung in Essex. ;D
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I'm so excited to have found this, I can't even express it! I've died and gone to Ancestry heaven!
Okay so I've got;
James Hedges (1816-1877) married Eliza Jennings (1816-?)
Children:
Esther Hedges (1837-?)
Elias Hedges (1839-1926) married to Alice (my 3rd great grandfather and grandmother)
Sophia Hedges (1839-?)
Selena Hedges (1840-?) married Edwin Arnold
Elijah Hedges (1845-1910) married Mary
Alfred Hedges (1848 - ?)
Olive Hedges (1850-?)
Henry Hedges (1856-?)
Rosa Hedges (1858 - ?)
I've also got a lot of their children listed but wayyyy to man to mention.
I have a few newspaper articles about people if I can share them?
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I'm also trying to connect Phoebe Gumbrell (1843-1927) to my tree as I know a load of my folks attended her funeral but trying to add it all up.
Ill go through this post and probably sort it all out, soooo exciting haha
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Hi vic3y,
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Ill go through this post and probably sort it all out, soooo exciting haha
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regards,
Bob
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Could I pitch in about Thomas Hedges & Eden Brewer - I know the conversation has gone on a bit since they featured.
Does anyone know when Thomas Hedges (b1801) died? Eden & a brood of young Hedges & Davis grandchildren are in Shere (where her married daughter Eden Tickner lived) in 1861. I do not know when Eden was widdowed - can any Hedges researcher help me please? Maggott
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Hi all I'm the grand daughter Eliza Ann Martin was born Giddens daughter of rose Ann Giddens was born hedges I am doing a family tree and would love to find out more about the family I have trace my family all the way back to William Hedges and Francise Jennings
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Hi got your message but can't send you a message my Fb is micha Giddens
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Well I've sent a message to you (at least i hope its you lol) might need to check your others folder, look forward to chatting to you
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Michelle will need to do one more post before she will be able to receive (and send I think) private messages. 3 posts are required to activate the PM system. Only one more required Michelle, doesn't need to be any more than just one word, even just a smiley, then PMs will be set to send and receive.
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Michelle, I got your PM, so should be all good now, but you may still need to do another post on here, still only showing up as 2.
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Hi Maggot, Thomas and Eden married in Hadlow on 1st Oct 1820. Their daughter Eden DOB 28/04/1835 and died 09/1897, she married on 09/10/1849 to John Tickner DOB 1833, died 1912. Believe they had 10 children, Jane, Eliza, Emma, Sarah, Eden, John, Thomas, Henry, Alfred, James, and Elizabeth
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I don't think I got that far yet I'm up to John hedges who married Mary freeman
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Hi Joyce & thank you for your message.
Yup, those are 'my' Hedges - Eden & John Tickner were my 4x grandparents. I'm more or less OK from them on, but I'm really stumped by Thomas Hedges' antecedents. I've learned that Thomas, William & Job were siblings, but before that it seems a bit conjectural.
l'm also still trying to trace Eden Hedges' parents. She was the daughter of John & Elizabeth Brewer, but who & where & when.... Any ideas very welcome
Best
Maggott
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Hi
I'm after information about the Hedges family. I don't know if they are the same Hedges family or not though.
I have Elijah Hedges and possibly Charlotte Bibby whose children were Olive Hedges, Victor Hedges, Elijah Hedges, Amy Hedges, Maisie Hedges and Lily Hedges.
Thanks
Emma
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Hi, I have just registered to roots so I hope this works. Maisie Hedges was my Mother. Elijha and Charlotte were my Grandparents. Please let me know if you have any info about this part of the Hedges family
Jacquie xx
Hi
I'm after information about the Hedges family. I don't know if they are the same Hedges family or not though.
I have Elijah Hedges and possibly Charlotte Bibby whose children were Olive Hedges, Victor Hedges, Elijah Hedges, Amy Hedges, Maisie Hedges and Lily Hedges.
Thanks
Emma
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Hi
I have a bit of info about them Jacquie but not too much.
My email address is if you are able to email me.
Emma
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Thanks Emma will email you 👍
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Thanks :)
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Thanks :)
Hi emma I sent u an email x
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hi according to Bearkat's link we have this info;
Sarah Jane HEDGES (b 1854 Ware Herts) d/o Joseph HEDGES and Emily LINTON
married Joseph Crane Lane in 1871 , Romford
Joseph her dad was s/o WILLIAM HEDGES (Joseph bc 1818 maybe Cambridge area)
Joseph Hedges and Emily Linton (married 1838) had : Mary Ann, Emily, George, Joseph, William Ann, Henry Matthew, Sarah Jane /Jane
ummmmm arrghhhhh
deb
Hi there, not sure who asked the question, but My great grandmother was Sarah Jane Lane nee Hedges. For many years several of us were looking over the Braintree, Essex lot of Hedges, I think it was as they had a Joseph and several other members who matched. We could never find our Sarah Jane until the 1851 Census came into vogue on the net and there she was at Ware Hertford, with the rest of her family. Then in the 1871 census, they decided on a name change and became BIRD. this was picked up by another of my first cousins wives who very cleverly took all the christian names without a surname in the 1871 census and the whole family showed up as BIRD. I wouldn't know why this was. Maybe could have been his mothers maiden name.Elizabeth the daughter was blind, so maybe was trying to keep her out of the workhouse. Don't know. Anyway Sarah Jane Hedges married my Great Grandfather who was born in 1839, son of Charles Lane and Mary Ann Crane. Sarah was his second wife, he had been married before with a daughter Martha. who was born in Colchester in 1865.
Joseph Crane Lane was in the first Royal Scots for 20 years 1861 to 1881. Sarah Jane HEDGES and all the 9 children were on all posts with him.. They had children born in Scotland, Ireland and England. She was a Tailoress. My grandfather Joseph Henry LANE was born at Fort George, Inverness, Scotland, in 1875. Off hand Sarah and Joseph were married in 1872 but down in Essex.
I haven't got past c1818 for the birth of Joseph HEDGES, but once saw a birth of a Elizabeth in Ely in Cambridge who I wondered if she had been his sister. Now this is the family for Joseph and Emily Linton.
Joseph HEDGES c1818 Cambridge? (sawyer)
married Emily Linton 24 Sep;t 1838 All Saints & Saint John, Hertford, Hertford, Eng. Husbands father William HEDGES.His wife Emily LINTON c1815 christened 8 October 1815, All Saints, St John, Hertford, Hertford. Father Thomas LINTON
Children Chr St John &All Saints, probably Ware, Hertford
Mary Ann, HEDGES, chr 1 Sept 1839, Hertford, Hertford
George HEDGES c1841 Hertford, (Sawyer) married Sarah Ann HEDGES
Joseph HEDGES 16 October 1842. St John & All Saints Hertford
William HEDGES b8 December 1844, ch 5 Jan 1845 Parish of Brickendon, Hertford, married Isabell Bardell, 6 April 1875 St James Bethnal Green, Her father was James Bardell. In 1891 census, William he was a Brick maker and Brick Layer. Isabella was born 27 Oct 1854, Ware, Hertfod. I have ten children for them.
Now this is the important part. I have the death cert for Joseph Hedges BIRD, 1886 aged 69, Informant was his son in law Joseph LANE my GT GF. He died of Bronchitis. Died at looks like Picketts Yard, Brentwood. Reg Dist, Billericay. County of Essex. I have Emily his wifes death cert as well. they were both BIRD at death. She died 7 August 1885. Cancer
Ann HEDGES ch 10 June 1849 Ware, Hertford
Henry Mathew HEDGES ch 10 Aug 1851
Emily HEDGES ch21 FEb 1847 Hertford married 1868 to John BERRY
Sarah Jane HEDGES 1854, married Joseph Crane LANE, 1sdt Royal Scots. On Josephs death, Sarah was a widow at age 42, her 2nd husband at the age of 79 was David Theobold.
Elizabeth HEDGE 18 May 1856 Ware, Hertford. She was blind from birth.
That should do for now
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hi according to Bearkat's link we have this info;
Sarah Jane HEDGES (b 1854 Ware Herts) d/o Joseph HEDGES and Emily LINTON
married Joseph Crane Lane in 1871 , Romford
Joseph her dad was s/o WILLIAM HEDGES (Joseph bc 1818 maybe Cambridge area)
Joseph Hedges and Emily Linton (married 1838) had : Mary Ann, Emily, George, Joseph, William Ann, Henry Matthew, Sarah Jane /Jane
ummmmm arrghhhhh
deb
Hi there, not sure who asked the question, but My great grandmother was Sarah Jane Lane nee Hedges. For many years several of us were looking over the Braintree, Essex lot of Hedges, I think it was as they had a Joseph and several other members who matched. We could never find our Sarah Jane until the 1851 Census came into vogue on the net and there she was at Ware Hertford, with the rest of her family. Then in the 1871 census, they decided on a name change and became BIRD. this was picked up by another of my first cousins wives who very cleverly took all the christian names without a surname in the 1871 census and the whole family showed up as BIRD. I wouldn't know why this was. Maybe could have been his mothers maiden name.Elizabeth the daughter was blind, so maybe was trying to keep her out of the workhouse. Don't know. Anyway Sarah Jane Hedges married my Great Grandfather who was born in 1839, son of Charles Lane and Mary Ann Crane. Sarah was his second wife, he had been married before with a daughter Martha. who was born in Colchester in 1865.
Joseph Crane Lane was in the first Royal Scots for 20 years 1861 to 1881. Sarah Jane HEDGES and all the 9 children were on all posts with him.. They had children born in Scotland, Ireland and England. She was a Tailoress. My grandfather Joseph Henry LANE was born at Fort George, Inverness, Scotland, in 1875. Off hand Sarah and Joseph were married in 1872 but down in Essex.
I haven't got past c1818 for the birth of Joseph HEDGES, but once saw a birth of a Elizabeth in Ely in Cambridge who I wondered if she had been his sister. Now this is the family for Joseph and Emily Linton.
Joseph HEDGES c1818 Cambridge? (sawyer)
married Emily Linton 24 Sep;t 1838 All Saints & Saint John, Hertford, Hertford, Eng. Husbands father William HEDGES.His wife Emily LINTON c1815 christened 8 October 1815, All Saints, St John, Hertford, Hertford. Father Thomas LINTON
Children Chr St John &All Saints, probably Ware, Hertford
Mary Ann, HEDGES, chr 1 Sept 1839, Hertford, Hertford
George HEDGES c1841 Hertford, (Sawyer) married Sarah Ann HEDGES
Joseph HEDGES 16 October 1842. St John & All Saints Hertford
William HEDGES b8 December 1844, ch 5 Jan 1845 Parish of Brickendon, Hertford, married Isabell Bardell, 6 April 1875 St James Bethnal Green, Her father was James Bardell. In 1891 census, William he was a Brick maker and Brick Layer. Isabella was born 27 Oct 1854, Ware, Hertfod. I have ten children for them.
Now this is the important part. I have the death cert for Joseph Hedges BIRD, 1886 aged 69, Informant was his son in law Joseph LANE my GT GF. He died of Bronchitis. Died at looks like Picketts Yard, Brentwood. Reg Dist, Billericay. County of Essex. I have Emily his wifes death cert as well. they were both BIRD at death. She died 7 August 1885. Cancer
Ann HEDGES ch 10 June 1849 Ware, Hertford
Henry Mathew HEDGES ch 10 Aug 1851
Emily HEDGES ch21 FEb 1847 Hertford married 1868 to John BERRY
Sarah Jane HEDGES 1854, married Joseph Crane LANE, 1sdt Royal Scots. On Josephs death, Sarah was a widow at age 42, her 2nd husband at the age of 79 was David Theobold.
Elizabeth HEDGE 18 May 1856 Ware, Hertford. She was blind from birth.
That should do for now
Since Iwrote the above , I have read al;l 35 posts. I see to have any contact or reply I haveto do another two posts, so this is one.
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hi according to Bearkat's link we have this info;
Sarah Jane HEDGES (b 1854 Ware Herts) d/o Joseph HEDGES and Emily LINTON
married Joseph Crane Lane in 1871 , Romford
Joseph her dad was s/o WILLIAM HEDGES (Joseph bc 1818 maybe Cambridge area)
Joseph Hedges and Emily Linton (married 1838) had : Mary Ann, Emily, George, Joseph, William Ann, Henry Matthew, Sarah Jane /Jane
ummmmm arrghhhhh
deb
Hi there, not sure who asked the question, but My great grandmother was Sarah Jane Lane nee Hedges. For many years several of us were looking over the Braintree, Essex lot of Hedges, I think it was as they had a Joseph and several other members who matched. We could never find our Sarah Jane until the 1851 Census came into vogue on the net and there she was at Ware Hertford, with the rest of her family. Then in the 1871 census, they decided on a name change and became BIRD. this was picked up by another of my first cousins wives who very cleverly took all the christian names without a surname in the 1871 census and the whole family showed up as BIRD. I wouldn't know why this was. Maybe could have been his mothers maiden name.Elizabeth the daughter was blind, so maybe was trying to keep her out of the workhouse. Don't know. Anyway Sarah Jane Hedges married my Great Grandfather who was born in 1839, son of Charles Lane and Mary Ann Crane. Sarah was his second wife, he had been married before with a daughter Martha. who was born in Colchester in 1865.
Joseph Crane Lane was in the first Royal Scots for 20 years 1861 to 1881. Sarah Jane HEDGES and all the 9 children were on all posts with him.. They had children born in Scotland, Ireland and England. She was a Tailoress. My grandfather Joseph Henry LANE was born at Fort George, Inverness, Scotland, in 1875. Off hand Sarah and Joseph were married in 1872 but down in Essex.
I haven't got past c1818 for the birth of Joseph HEDGES, but once saw a birth of a Elizabeth in Ely in Cambridge who I wondered if she had been his sister. Now this is the family for Joseph and Emily Linton.
Joseph HEDGES c1818 Cambridge? (sawyer)
married Emily Linton 24 Sep;t 1838 All Saints & Saint John, Hertford, Hertford, Eng. Husbands father William HEDGES.His wife Emily LINTON c1815 christened 8 October 1815, All Saints, St John, Hertford, Hertford. Father Thomas LINTON
Children Chr St John &All Saints, probably Ware, Hertford
Mary Ann, HEDGES, chr 1 Sept 1839, Hertford, Hertford
George HEDGES c1841 Hertford, (Sawyer) married Sarah Ann HEDGES
Joseph HEDGES 16 October 1842. St John & All Saints Hertford
William HEDGES b8 December 1844, ch 5 Jan 1845 Parish of Brickendon, Hertford, married Isabell Bardell, 6 April 1875 St James Bethnal Green, Her father was James Bardell. In 1891 census, William he was a Brick maker and Brick Layer. Isabella was born 27 Oct 1854, Ware, Hertfod. I have ten children for them.
Now this is the important part. I have the death cert for Joseph Hedges BIRD, 1886 aged 69, Informant was his son in law Joseph LANE my GT GF. He died of Bronchitis. Died at looks like Picketts Yard, Brentwood. Reg Dist, Billericay. County of Essex. I have Emily his wifes death cert as well. they were both BIRD at death. She died 7 August 1885. Cancer
Ann HEDGES ch 10 June 1849 Ware, Hertford
Henry Mathew HEDGES ch 10 Aug 1851
Emily HEDGES ch21 FEb 1847 Hertford married 1868 to John BERRY
Sarah Jane HEDGES 1854, married Joseph Crane LANE, 1sdt Royal Scots. On Josephs death, Sarah was a widow at age 42, her 2nd husband at the age of 79 was David Theobold.
Elizabeth HEDGE 18 May 1856 Ware, Hertford. She was blind from birth.
That should do for now
Since Iwrote the above , I have read al;l 35 posts. I see to have any contact or reply I haveto do another two posts, so this is one.
Hello again. Post number three. I note this thread is a very old one, but hope some of my lot will jump on the wagon. It is more than likely we are all related anyway.
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I have only just registered on here so I’m not sure how this works. But I may have some information on the hedges family, depending on what you are looking for. Elias Hedges, Elijahs younger brother was my great grandfather
Hi, I have just registered to roots so I hope this works. Maisie Hedges was my Mother. Elijha and Charlotte were my Grandparents. Please let me know if you have any info about this part of the Hedges family
Jacquie xx
Hi
I'm after information about the Hedges family. I don't know if they are the same Hedges family or not though.
I have Elijah Hedges and possibly Charlotte Bibby whose children were Olive Hedges, Victor Hedges, Elijah Hedges, Amy Hedges, Maisie Hedges and Lily Hedges.
Thanks
Emma