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Title: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: googiew on Wednesday 10 February 10 11:03 GMT (UK)
I have the WW1 service record and medal card for my grandfather. 
Isaac Reginald TEE,

Royal Fusuliers, 
 
Regimental No GS78211, 
 
(YS) Bn TR (Royal fusiliers),
 
his address at joining up was 4 Church st, Stanground, Peterbourough.

My question is did he see active service if so where, and what was his date of discharge.

Many thanks

Googiew
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Wednesday 10 February 10 12:24 GMT (UK)
He did serve overseas. He first trained with the 55th (Young Soldiers) Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers in England at Brocton from 16-1-1918 to 3-5-1918 and later the 53rd (Graduated) Battalion (the same battalion with a different name) of the Royal Fusiliers from 3-5-1918 to 9-6-1918. He embarked overseas via Folkestone & Boulogne on 9-6-1918 originally destined for the 13th battalion of the Royal Fusiliers. In France he spent a while at "J" Infantry Base Depot at Etaples from where he was diverted to the 9th Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers on 11-6-1918.  He joined the 9th Royal Fusiliers (in 12th Division) on 15-6-1918. He served with the 9th Royal Fusiliers in France until wounded in the left hand on 22-8-1918. If I remember correctly 12th Division was attacking east from Albert around that point, I think passing south of Fricourt as the Germans retreated following the British breakthrough on the Somme on 8th August 1918. He was evacuated to hospital in England on 27-8-1918. He was treated at Beckett St. Hospital in Leeds, North Allerton Convalescent Hospital and also a hospital at Brighton. Released from hospital on 12-10-1918 he was granted home furlough/leave until 18-10-1918. He was then posted to the Eastern Command Depot - I believe at Ampthill (where men received physiotherapy for recovery) on 18-10-1918. He was posted to class Z Reserve (and effectively discharged from the army) on 7-2-1919.  He would have been demobilised and gone home about a month earlier, at which point he seems to have been in Ireland.


He came from the same village as my relatives incidentally.


EDIT:

A slight correction - the 12th Division were a bit further west on 22-8-1918 - they were pushing forward across the Albert-Meaulte-Bray Road just south of Meaulte. The 9th Royal Fusiliers in fact gained 2,500 yards that day (the extent of their advance being the Meaulte-Bray road) - an almost unprecedented advance for the war.... The battalion advance ceased only when another British battalion took over the advance.




Steve.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 11 February 10 09:51 GMT (UK)
The following short article appeared in the Peterborough Advertiser of 7-9-1918, along with a picture. The microfilm makes the picture very dark - it is probably a lot better on the original, which Peterborough Library hold copies of.



Steve.


P.S. Do you have any "Leadings" in your family tree by the way?
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: googiew on Thursday 11 February 10 11:36 GMT (UK)
Thank You Steve for the most informative reply.

Sorry I dont have any Leadings in my trees, but as a matter of interest I was at school with a Broadbent, and Beeby.

Again many thanks

Derek Withers
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Thursday 11 February 10 11:53 GMT (UK)
My Beebys come from Stanground, Farcet and New England in Peterborough, and plenty of us, so may have been a relative!


I know someone called Tee, so I thought you might have been related.


Steve.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: googiew on Thursday 11 February 10 14:07 GMT (UK)
Small world eh.

Was at school with Beryl Beeby also Brian Beeby at the then Fletton Secondary Modern which then became Stangound Comprehensive.

Lots of TEEs in Farcet and Yaxley area, most originated from Maidwell, Northamptonshire.

Derek
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: googiew on Thursday 11 February 10 14:51 GMT (UK)
Hi again Steve I have another request for info for you.

My other grandfather, ARTHUR SHARP (From Medal Card)      Regimental No 35659 Esseex Regiment
                                                                                         
                                                                 Regimental No 40398 Northamptonshire Regiment

                                                                 Regimental No 78315  61 Coy RDC

From Certifcate of Discharge

Joined up 3 June 1916 in Northampton
Served in the Labour Corp of the Northaptonshire Reg


Any infor would be most grateful

Derek
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Sunday 14 February 10 11:22 GMT (UK)
Derek,

The Northamptons are my main interest, so hopefully I can help! Apologies for the delay, as this has taken a bit of work...

Although there isn't a service record for Arthur, his combination of numbers means that we can put together a reasonable timeline for him. I'll show the chain of events first and then explain how I got there...

Section 1

Posted to 3rd Bn., Essex Regiment, No. 35659, circa mid February 1917.
Embarked to France with a Draft of the Essex Regiment on 20 May 1917.
Awarded British War Medal and Victory Medal.
Arrived at an Infantry Base Depot in France
Posted to 13th Bn., Essex Regiment, 21 May 1917, but did not physically join them.
Transferred to the 2nd Bn., Northamptonshire Regiment, No. 40398, 11 June 1917.
Joined 2nd Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment on 13 June 1917.

Section 2

Reported as Wounded as a Private per the Official Casualty Lists of 29-8-1917 Part IV (Peterborough), possibly on 31 July 1917.
Wounded with 2nd Bn. Northamptonshire Regiment at Ypres on 31-7-1917 or thereabouts.
Evacuated back to the UK for hospital treatment.

Section 3

Released from hospital and posted to 3rd Reserve Battalion of the Northamptonshire Regiment.
Transferred to 600 Home Service Employment Coy., Labour Corps, possibly circa March 1918 - based at Chatham. (Edit: Date of transfer probably in May 1918}
Transferred to 61st Protection Company, Royal Defence Corps, 5 July 1918.
Served with 61st RDC until the end of the war.



We can fit together a reasonable series of events because of his changes of numbers as he moves from unit to unit through the war, and by looking at the surviving service records of men with similar numbers to Arthur, and exercising some judgement as to whether that movement applies to Arthur as well.

Firstly, the movements into the Northamptonshire Regiment (section 1, above) are shared by 24 men numbered 40379 Walter Brazier to 40402 Percy Threadgill. These men are grouped by surname in alphabetical order, a sign that they were organised into a group that transferred at the same time. Although, I don't have access to the Medal Rolls of the RDC for Arthur, the Northamptonshire Regiment medal rolls for the twenty-one men who stayed with the Northamptons consistently show the men transferring from the 13th Battalion of the Essex Regiment to the 2nd Battalion of the Northamptonshire Regiment.

I would recommend that you look at the Medal Roll for Arthur Sharp if you haven't done so already, which would hopefully confirm the combination of 13th Eseex and 2nd Northamptons. I am 95% certain that he served in France with the 2nd Battalion of the Northamptons.

Four of these men have surviving service records and all show consistent dates of transfer, one of whom also has a very similar Essex Regiment number so I shall use him as the example:

Henry Thomas Thurlow - Attested under the Derby Scheme, age 18 years, 11 months, 10-12-1915. Mobilised, 22-2-1917. Posted to 3rd Bn., Essex Regiment, No. 35674, 22-2-1917. France, 20-5-1917. BWM/VM. Posted to 13th Bn., Essex Regiment. Transferred to the 2nd Bn., Northamptonshire Regiment, No. 40400, 11-6-1917. Joined 2nd Bn., 13-6-1917.

The other three records (40379 Walter Brazier, 40380 Victor Alexander John Brundle, and 40397 Percy William Saines) bear out the same dates, so I would be very confident indeed in adopting these for Arthur Sharp as well.


(edited to modify date of transfer to the Labour Corps)
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Sunday 14 February 10 11:25 GMT (UK)
Section 2 above covers Arthur's time in France - an eventful couple of months. His wounding is recorded in the official casualty list of 29th August 1917, which were usually published about a month after the actual date of wounding. The list, where I have been able to match the list to service records, records those men wounded during the opening stages of the Third Battle of Ypres on the 31st July 1917, or in the day or so following the opening of the battle.

Considering the subsequent timeline of events it is likely that this wound was serious enough to cause Arthur's evacuation back to England for hospitalisation.


This brings us to the final section - his transfer to the Labour Corps and on to the Royal Defence Corps. Again there is a recognisable grouping of men transferring from the Northamptons on to the 61st Protection Company of the Royal Defence Corps. Again there is the grouping by surname:


William Chapman, Northamptonshire Regiment 16072, Labour Corps 589507, Royal Defence Corps 78302 (Service Record exists)
Jesse T Cadd, Northamptonshire Regiment 12848, Royal Defence Corps 78303
Walter F Edmonds, Northamptonshire Regiment 28026, Royal Defence Corps 78304
Septimus Ficken, Northamptonshire Regiment 43077, Royal Defence Corps 78306 (Previously 6th Bedfords 26959) (Service Record exists)
Robert W Howards, Northamptonshire Regiment 40564, Royal Defence Corps 78308 (Previously Suffolks 45209)
Alfred G Loveday, Northamptonshire Regiment 8492, Royal Defence Corps 78310   
Albert E Merrick, Northamptonshire Regiment 14862, Royal Defence Corps 78312   (Service Record exists)
Frank Mole, Northamptonshire Regiment 14861, Labour Corps 541789, Royal Defence Corps 78313 (Service Record exists)
William J Rainbow, Northamptonshire Regiment 7602, Labour Corps 318542, Royal Defence Corps 78314   
Arthur Sharp, Northamptonshire Regiment 40398, Royal Defence Corps 78315 (Previously Essex 35659)
Gilbert Thompson, Northamptonshire Regiment 22639,, Royal Defence Corps 78320 (Service Record exists)
Alfred J Underwood, Northamptonshire Regiment 20001, Royal Defence Corps 78321   
Ralph White, Northamptonshire Regiment 8850, Labour Corps 318635, Royal Defence Corps 78323   
Henry Wilson, Northamptonshire Regiment 27145, Royal Defence Corps 78324   


Again, there are enough service records surviving of these men to work out that they all followed a similar route through from the 3rd Northamptons to the 61st Protection Company of the Royal Defence Corps.

The best example of the above movements is Frank Mole of Kettering, formerly number 14861 of the 6th and 1st Northamptons and later number 78313 of the Royal Defence Corps:

Wounded, hand (slight), 26-9-1916. Depot, 13-11-1916. Hospital discharge furlough, 6-1-1917 to 15-1-1917. 3rd Bn., 16-1-1917. 17 I.B.D., 3-3-1917. 1st Bn., 3-3-1917. Returned from France, 23-4-1917. Depot, 23-4-1917. Hospital discharge furlough, 9-6-1917 to 18-6-1917. Thetford Command Depot, 18-6-1917. 3rd Bn., 12-11-1917. 600 Home Service Employment Coy., Labour Corps, No. 541789, 19-3-1918. To 61st Protection Company, Royal Defence Corps, 5-7-1918. At Lewes, 8-7-1918.

As you can see Frank Mole was wounded, twice actually, and after his second wound was medically downgraded and transferred to the 600 Home Service Employment Coy., Labour Corps, No. 541789, on 19 March 1918, being subsequently transferred to the 61st Protection Company, Royal Defence Corps a few of months later on 5 July 1918. I would suggest that the latter date of transfer would be exactly the same day that Arthur Sharp did the same transfer, and that the earlier March date would also be not far from when Arthur Sharp joined the 600th Company of the Labour Corps. If we had a Labour Corps number we could probably narrow it down a bit better.


The main question I would like to answer is actually what Arthur Sharp did between enlisting on 3 June 1916 and joining the Essex Regiment in February 1917. He may have served with another Regiment that is not shown on the certificates, or alternatively he may have been granted exemption from call up due to his job. Do you know what Arthur did prior to joining the Army?


Do you have a wartime address for him as well?


Anyway, I hope this makes some sense!

Steve.


P.S. I don't have Beryl or Brian in my family tree at the moment, but they probably figure somewhere!
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Monday 15 February 10 21:04 GMT (UK)
The following articles are from the Peterborough Advertiser of 1 September 1917 - pictures of the four Sharp brothers, an article, and a closer image of Arthur:

Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Monday 15 February 10 21:21 GMT (UK)
Having located where he lived we can see his entries in the Absent Voters List for 1918 (attached)


He is listed with his Labour Corps number and unit (600th Home Service Employment Company) and since his number is also stated, we can date his move from the 3rd Northamptons to the Labour Corps to approximately May 1918 (possibly around 20 May 1918).
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Stebie9173 on Friday 26 March 10 00:58 GMT (UK)
J Sharpe's call up (probably under the Derby Scheme) appears in the Peterborough Advertiser of 24-6-1916:

Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: googiew on Tuesday 13 April 10 16:26 BST (UK)
Many Thanks for the info, so much I didn't know.    Arthur never talked about the war, only that it made one leg shorter than the other.

I have attached  his medal card and his discharge certificate to see if any my info can be found.

Have not found what he did before the war,I suspect he worked in the Brick yards like his brother. 1911 census shows Samuel Sharp 18 brickyard pressboy.

Many thanks Derek
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: good on Friday 22 October 10 14:32 BST (UK)
Hi,
  I have an Arthur Melmoth who was a member of thre Royal Fusiliers and was in Dublin in 1911 and died there in 1912 , has anyone any idea where I can find more information ?
Dawn
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Amberglass on Thursday 14 July 11 23:13 BST (UK)
 :) I am looking for any information on my great uncle who was with the 13th Battalion Royal Fusiliers.

His name was Robert Hay,# 79710... he was killed in action in France, Sept.14th 1918. He is buried (or listed) at Vis-En-Artois Cemetery. I just have panel 3?

Im looking for any information on him or the 13th battalion. He was from Cummingston Morayshire Burghead.

Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: mmm45 on Thursday 14 July 11 23:30 BST (UK)
Looking at his Medal Index Card he was originally with 22nd Battalion the Northumberland Fusiliers(3rd Tyneside Scottish) he must have transferred sometime after that.
He went overseas no earlier than Jan 1916

Looks like he has no known grave and remembered on the memorial

Ady
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: mmm45 on Thursday 14 July 11 23:32 BST (UK)
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic1345.html

Hes here too :)

With a bio which tallies up with Newcastle enlistment.
Ady
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Amberglass on Thursday 14 July 11 23:56 BST (UK)
 :D You are quick! Thank you very much for the info.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Amberglass on Monday 27 February 12 00:53 GMT (UK)
I have been searching everywhere for a picture of my great uncle Robert Hay. #79710 ,13th battalion Royal Fusiliers... to no avail. :(

My grandmother used to have a picture of him in full uniform. I believe it was taken by the military. Does anyone know who or where I might contact someone to see if there is a picture of him available? The picture went to an aunt and I believe it is long gone. :'(

I was given his death medal from my uncle. What a treasure! Now, if I could only put a face with all the information that I have on him.... I would be very happy.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Amberglass
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: BenSmith86 on Thursday 14 November 13 10:20 GMT (UK)
Hi, I would greatly appreciate any further information that could be retrieved for an Arthur Stoten. He was a private in the 13th Royal Fusiliers (London) and his service number  is 11116. I'm quite certain his name is on the memorial wall at Thiepval as he died during the Somme battle, I've done some research and I think he died during the Battle of Albert as part of the Somme offensive in July 1916 as this tallies up with his date of death on his medal card. He was my Great Uncle. I'd really love to know more about his time in the forces so thank you in advance!!
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Copper Bottom on Wednesday 18 February 15 22:58 GMT (UK)
:) I am looking for any information on my great uncle who was with the 13th Battalion Royal Fusiliers.

His name was Robert Hay,# 79710... he was killed in action in France, Sept.14th 1918. He is buried (or listed) at Vis-En-Artois Cemetery. I just have panel 3?

Im looking for any information on him or the 13th battalion. He was from Cummingston Morayshire Burghead.

Thank you. :)

I also have two great-uncles who served in the 13th Batt. Royal Fusiliers. Edgar Mark Brooks and Arthur Clement Brooks. I have looked without success for service records etc, but a good source of information on the actions that the battalion was involved in can be found in The Royal Fusiliers in the Great War by H.C. O'Neill in various different formats including a searchable pdf here https://archive.org/details/royalfusiliersin00onei (https://archive.org/details/royalfusiliersin00onei)

His death date of Sept. 14th corresponds with page 306 and I have reproduced a couple of consecutive paragraphs for you which cover the days before and after the 14th. The 10th Batt. was frequently involved in actions with the 13th.

Quote
On September 12th Trescault and Havrincourt were taken, and the 24th Royal Fusiliers became involved in the 2nd Division's attack near Mceuvres. An attempt by the 10th Royal Fusiliers to capture the Bilhen Chapel wood switch on the 14th led to one of the most protracted bitter and evenly contested actions of this phase. For the next few days the troops were rested and exercised in preparation for the larger action against the approaches to the Hindenburg system.

Battle of Epehy.—At 5.20 on the morning of September 18th the Fourth and Third Armies struck on a front of about seventeen miles from Holnon to Gouzeaucourt. North of the main attack the 13th Royal Fusiliers were engaged on this day in one of those actions that recurred almost to the very end of the war. The assault was launched in a rain storm, and the battalion found themselves held up by a strong belt of wire.

Looking at the link posted by mmm45 which says he was killed on Sept. 4th  the bit you want is on page 303/304 so I have uploaded an attachment pdf of the pages covering the 4th.

Good luck  :)
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: km1971 on Thursday 19 February 15 09:40 GMT (UK)
Two Arthur Stotens died while serving with the Royal Fusiliers. One in 1915 and one you have. So you firstly need to be certain you have the right one.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead.aspx?cpage=1&sort=name&order=asc

The first was #142, and was born in Baldock, and his family paid for an entry in the Roll of Honour, which is on Ancestry.

Once you have the right battalion you should download the battalion war diary - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/war-diaries-ww1.htm
They very rarely mention 'other ranks'. But it will tell you what they were doing at the time.

Ken

Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Ann Farrow on Wednesday 23 March 16 17:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Ben.
Please would you let me know if you ever managed to find out any information on Arthur Stoten as he was my grandfather.  So you and I must be related. I have visited Thiepval and his name is on the memorial. Have got a photo somewhere of my brother and I standing by his name . I do not have any photographs or pictures of him and am desperately trying to trace some. So if you have any please may I have a copy or if know of where I can obtain a copy. Arthur Stoten married Eleanor Maud Guess and they lived at 14 Couthurst Road Blackheath London SE3 9TN.  They had two children, one girl (Minnie) and one boy, the boy being my father Arthur Ernest Stoten. Little Minnie missed her father so much that she died about a year after he was killed. My grandmother married again and had another son but he too died when he was about 3 years old. So she had a very very sad life. Please do contact me as I would love to hear from you.
Regards.

Ann
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 24 March 16 13:07 GMT (UK)
Hello Ann & welcome.
Ben hasn't been back since his original post last year so may not see your message.
Ideally you need to download the 13th's. war diary from the TNA costs about £3.50.
In the meantime I can tell you that the 13th. R.F. were part of 111 Bde. 37th. Div. & at the time were N.E. of Albert & S of La Boisselle occupying the old British trench relieving the 13th. Batt. Rifle Brigade. Their diary states that the 13th. R.F. advanced on the German line on the night of the 8th. July 1916. Your man might have died during that raid or during the shelling that went on over that period.
Their diary will tell you more.

Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Ann Farrow on Friday 25 March 16 17:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim,
Thank you for the information. I am going to try the TNA and also local papers. Might get lucky.
Regards.

Ann.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Friday 25 March 16 18:05 GMT (UK)
diary:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hbx/
You want the 1915-18 diary.
I can save you the trouble as I've now found it.
It was included with the 10th's. diary.
The assault was larger than indicated in the 10th's diary & involved several Battalions.
It started on the 7th. July 1916. The 13th's. objective was to take over the old German trenches as far as the outskirts of the village of Contalmaison to the N.E. of La Boisselle which they successfully achieved but came under intense shellfire probably from Mametz Wood further to the East.
They reached their final objective on the evening of the 8th. July when they were relieved.
They returned to the old British line where they rested during the day of the 9th.
casualties:
Officers: 1 killed; 4 wounded.
O.R's : 20 killed; 127 wounded & 13 missing.
200 German prisoners taken.
Amongst the captured "trophies" as the men called them were 5,000 hand grenades which were stored in an ammo dump unfortunately it took a direct hit from a German shell. The report was that they exploded over several hours. It must have bee like some bizarre firework display. I'm sure it amused both sides.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Ann Farrow on Saturday 26 March 16 08:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much Jim. Once I get some other bits together and hopefully a photo I am going to make a scrapbook for my brother.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 02:59 GMT (UK)
Hello everyone,I would really appreciate any further information on my great grandad,he went into the Middlesex regiment but saw action in the royal fusiliers,his name is John Robert Alcock,on his medals is J.R Alcock G/S 79037,I would really love to know the dates served,where he served and was he wounded,I don't really know much about him,thank you in advance for any information
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Friday 03 November 17 09:01 GMT (UK)
You've put this on someone else's old post .Perhaps a mod. can move it.
Anyway just to start you off he was in the 9th. Batt. RF.
The medal roll gives dates of 16/7/18-31/8/18 which seems a bit short for overseas service but may refer to something else.
How old was he ?
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 09:36 GMT (UK)
I'm so sorry about that,I'm useless with computers and iPads,I think my great grandad would have been about 17 or 18 years old,he was born in 1900 in hastings,sussex
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Friday 03 November 17 11:01 GMT (UK)
The date looks like that's when he went to France. The Regulation was that the earliest a man could serve overseas was 18 1/2.
The War diary of the 9/RF states that there was 11 replacements July 1918.
Where has the Mddx. Regt. come from?
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 11:12 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the reply back,so basically he fought from July 1918until August 1918,I'm thinking that he must have been wounded,great,I've finally got a little info about him,thank you
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 11:16 GMT (UK)
I'm thinking the reason why he started of in the Middlesex regiment is because the lady he was seeing probably at the time and went on to marry her lived in bow in East London,at that time I think it came under the Middlesex area.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Friday 03 November 17 11:30 GMT (UK)
Where he lived had no bearing on which Regiment he would have gone into.
He would have gone anywhere where men were needed which was pretty much all of them.
Had he been wounded & discharged he would have received the Silver War Badge (SWB) & he's not on the SWB Roll.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 11:39 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the info Jim,now I know that he was a Middlesex soldier and saw action with the 9th batt fusiliers and saw action in France between July 1918 to August 1918,but apart from that I don't think I'm going to find out anything else,I'm grateful for the info you gave,thanks jim
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Friday 03 November 17 14:00 GMT (UK)
When he arrived his Batt. were at Oresmaux a few miles south of Amiens in Div. reserve. This was the usual period Batts. took on replacements.
He had a period of training until the end of the month when they marched to Vignacourt NW of Amiens & finally to Franvillers which is NE of Amiens.
On the 8/8/18 they received orders to move up to Morlancourt which is S. of Albert.
They went out the same day as part of a much larger offensive (2nd. Battle of the Somme) called the Battle of Albert.
They were at first successful but were driven back. They went out again on the 22/8/18 & this time completed all objectives. They continued to fight until the end of the month.
By the end of the month they had lost 21 Officers & 595 Other Ranks, that is killed, wounded or missing.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 14:12 GMT (UK)
Jim,thank you so much for all this information,I feel like that I'm really getting to know him more and what he and all the other great lads went through.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Friday 03 November 17 14:56 GMT (UK)
Operational Orders. 9/RF were in 36/Bde.
+ Map A.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 15:26 GMT (UK)
Jim,you are a legend mate,to actually see the map where my grandad was and to know it was operation Robertson he was on,I feel like you bought a bit of my grandad back,to actual know what he did,I feel like I know him a bit more now,thank you so much,I really mean it jim.i love the information I'm getting,can't wait to show all this to my mum,she was very close to him.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Friday 03 November 17 17:12 GMT (UK)
If you hover over E23 on this battlefield map you will see what it looks like today.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kzx/
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Friday 03 November 17 17:36 GMT (UK)
That is amazing,think I'm going to have to travel there to visit now Jim.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Wednesday 08 November 17 20:57 GMT (UK)
Hello Jim,it's me again,I need help on just one more thing regarding my great grandad,I once heard a story years ago from my nan saying that he had lots of scars on his legs,arms etc,and also he got shot in the head,is there any medical records or wounding records?thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 08 November 17 22:02 GMT (UK)
For that you would need his service record which doesn't exist. He doesn't appear to have applied for a pension nor does he appear on the SWB roll.
He may have been wounded but treated in the field & returned to duty. Scars on his legs may be from barbed wire.
Had he been wounded by shrapnel from head to legs it's difficult to see how he could have survived.
Title: Re: Royal Fusiliers WW1
Post by: Welford1 on Wednesday 08 November 17 22:22 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your help again Jim.much appreciated.