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Looking for any information on Bridget and Honora Halion two sisters that arrived nsw in 1849 on board the "Success" with their sister Mary and brothers Thomas and Patrick also Patricks wife and children. Their father Thomas was a convict on board the "Cambridge" in 1827. Mother Mary Daly stayed in Ireland. Brother Thomas married Eliza Long in Goulburn NSW and sister Mary married John Byron in Bungendore Nsw not far from Goulburn. Brother Patrick died 1857 Bungendore. No death found for father Thomas but was in the Goulburn area when his children arrived according to their shipping records. The Family was from West meath Ireland.
No trace of the two girls has been found since their arrival in 1849. Honora on arrival was aged 26 years so born c1823 and Bridget 25 years born c1824 state their native place as Kill, West meath Ireland.
I did send to Ireland for information but they only found Mary's birth no other children and couldn't find a marriage for Thomas (convict) Halion and Mary Daly.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards
Kristy
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Hi Kristy,
I think the coincidences of names in these 2 index entries from NSW bdm are interesting.
Marriage
In 1863 REILEY, PETER to HAYLIN , BRIDGET at QUEANBEYAN reg. 2786
Death
In 1873 REILLY, BRIDGET father, THOMAS mother HONORA at QUEANBEYAN reg.6539
Sue
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Perhaps this is Patrick the brother
Death
1857 HAYLAN ,PATRICK father THOMAS mother MARY at QUEANBEYAN reg 4255
Is this Mary the sister?
Death
In 1889 BYRON MARY J. father THOMAS mother MARY A BUNGENDORE reg.33222
and her husband?
Death
In 1902 BYRON, JOHN at BUNGENDORE reg 8713
A possible mistake was perhaps made in the recording of the name of BRIDGET's mother at death.
Queanbeyan and Bungendore are about 20 km apart . :D
Sue
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Sorry should have said in first post that Patricks wife was also Bridget (nee Keating) and daughter was Bridget who married Peter Reilly she's buried Goulburn with her husband.
Patricks children
James 1837 m Mary Jane Sweeney
Bridget 1838 married Peter Reilly
Mary 1843 m George Paddison and Francis Havenhand
Thomas 1848 m Catherine Day
Catherine 1849 m James Partington
all Of Patrick Halian and Bridget Keating's children were born in Ireland.
Thank you
HS
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Hi
So I think I must have missed something else here.
Sorry should have said in first post that Patricks wife was also Bridget (nee Keating) and daughter was Bridget who married Peter Reilly she's buried Goulburn with her husband. HS
Patrick's wife's name was therefore Bridget Haylen>
Their daughter was therefore Bridget Haylen>
She marrried Peter Reilly and became Bridget Reilly>
Her mother was still Bridget and her father was still Patrick.?
That is not what the death registration shows.
See above.
Death
In 1873 REILLY, BRIDGET father, THOMAS mother HONORA at QUEANBEYAN reg.6539
Sue
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The following website gives the burial of Bridget at Queanbeyan in 1873 which only adds to the confusion ???
http://www.interment.net/data/aus/nsw/southerntablelands/quean_river/index.htm
Reilly, Bridget, d. 24 Jun 1873, age: 28yr, RC Sec, Unmarked
This gives a birthdate of c1845. Possibly this Bridget who is in Queanbeyan is of a different family - surname and Christian names (hers and her parents) are very common Irish names. No other Reillys listed
Judith
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MIs at Bungendore cemetery:
Patrick Haylan died 17.6.1857 aged 48, and his wife
Bridget Haylan died 10.5.1884 aged 68,
Memorial erected by their daughter, Bridget Haylan
http://gundaroo.info/genealogy/cemeteries/bungendo/bungendo.txt
Judith
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Hi all,
Ah, good finding Judith.
Definitely this Bridget is not the missing one :(
She seems to be, as you say, a coincidence of names and location.
Mmm... More thinking needed
Sue
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Hi all,
Ah, good finding Judith.
Definitely this Bridget is not the missing one :(
She seems to be, as you say, a coincidence of names and location.
Mmm... More thinking needed
Sue
Thank you everyone for your help.
As Sue has said this Irish family is very confusing as they all seem to have the same names repeated for each gen. Bridget , Patrick, Thomas, Mary, Catherine, Honora, James .
I have just been going over all the paper work for this family and have a copy of a document where Thomas the convict requests the the Government give free passage to his wife and children this letter is dated 18 July 1836 this is 13 years prior to the arrival of his children. The letter states and this is where I get confused ;
"Convicts family wife Mary Helion alias Daly 48yrs eldest child Patt Helion 25 yrs his wife Bridget Helion alias Keating, under 25 years- Honor Helion, Darby Helion, Thomas Helion and Mary Helion aged 9 yrs youngest child. ???
So I checked Irish names and Darby is a male name so did they "nickname" Bridget -Darby or do I have an extra child to look for. ??? :'(
Darby is placed in the letter where Bridget should be so........................any suggestions.
Any input on this very confusing family will be greatly appreciated.
Kindest regards
HS
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Hi,
I can only offer thoughts at this stage.
You do not have a birth record of any kind for BRIDGET (as you say)
A lot can hppen in 13 years. ..... The time between THOMAS snr's (convict)request and the arrival of his clan.
Darby is in the request, but does not arrive. Perhaps he died or did not wish to come to Aust.
Thomas may have MARRIED and the BRIDGET who arrived may be his wife, as you cannot prove siblinghood, her name being not listed in THOMAS snr's request.
As his wife, she may have died prior to THOMAS jnr 's marriage in 1854 to ELIZA LONG. (I do not see such a death, but, this does not rule out the possibility in those early days)
Thoughts only ;)
Sue
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Thank you sue.
On the shipping records Thomas is listed under single Males, Mary and the 2 missing sisters Bridget and Honora are listed under single females all giving their parents as Thomas Helion convict living Goulburn and Mary Daly. Brother Patrick with wife Bridget and 5 children listed under families.
This is why I think she must be a sister.
Bridget and Honora just vanish I haven't found any trace of them have tried a number of different spellings with no results.
I am now wondering if they went to Vic as there was a Margaret Helin that came to Bungendore married moved to Vic with her husband he died she remarried in Vic. She is the same gen as Bridget and Honora came from the same area of West meath Ireland her parents were Patrick Helin and Catherine Fox I followed there line to try and find a connection but hit a brick wall all family names are the same. Wonder if Margarets father Patrick is the brother of Thomas Halion the convict?
Halion is not a popular name here or in west meath Ireland spelling varies but that happens with all names. Would just love to know what happened to them sick to death on family telling me I'll never know would like to prove them wrong .
Never giving up ???
Regards
HS ??? ;D
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On the shipping records Thomas is listed under single Males, Mary and the 2 missing sisters Bridget and Honora are listed under single females all giving their parents as Thomas Helion convict living Goulburn and Mary Daly. Brother Patrick with wife Bridget and 5 children listed under families. HC
In the light of this extra information, there seems no doubt she was a sibling.
Perhaps you could ask on this board if a chatter could consult records for Victoria.
Sue
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Shipping record - I know you probably have this but thought it worth transcribing. It would seem there were many passengers on this ship joining convict parents. The only 'new' piece of info is a different spelling for Patrick's wife's parents.
Success arrived Sydney 17 Dec 1849
HALIAN Patrick, 36 Labourer, can read
Native Place: Kill West Meath,
Parents: Thomas and Mary, both died (this has been crossed out) and 'Father living in Sydney' written in. Father Thomas Halian per ship Cambridge, tried at Phillipstown, living
Bodily health, strength and possible usefulness: good
Wife: Bridget, 34, farm servant, native place Kill, West Meath, parents James and Bridget Caton? (both dead) RC, cannot read or write, no relations in colony.
Children : James 12, Bridget 11, Mary 6, Catherine 4, Thomas 1
HALION Honora 26, Mary 24, Bridget 25, all from Kill, none can read or write, all with parents Thomas and Mary - father living at Goulburn Plains, Thomas Halion per ship 'Cambridge', tried at Mullingar, Honora and Bridget listed as good health etc, Mary listed as 'clubfooted'
HALION Thomas, all details the same except can read, also states under "Complaints" - 'sister with complaints that she did not get porper attention or the requisite allowance of medical comforts' Doesn't say which sister!
Looking at Victorian BMDs 1836-1891 the only HELION I see is this marriage:
Marianne HELION = Joseph DE GILLE 1857 reg 4083
Tried Helian, Haylan, Haylen, Haylin, Halion, Helin, Healin
Judith
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Hello,
Thank you Judith.
I purchased the Marianne Helion marriage and it is for the daughter of Patrick Helion and Catherine Fox. I am in touch with a descendant of Patrick and Catherine we are looking for a connection between our two families. So i will pas the certificate on to my contact. Halion in any spelling is not a common name and both our families come from the same area of Westmeath Ireland. My convict Thomas Halion was in the Bungendore and Goulburn area and when Patrick Helion and Catherine Fox's 16 year old daughter came to Australia alone she went to Bungendore. Which has left me asking myself why? Was Thomas her uncle?
Thank you for all your time and effort.
HS :D
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Seems very likely they are related - you wouldn't think a girl on her own would just go to Bungendore on a whim. Hope no Bungendorians are insulted!! LOL ;)
Judith
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Thanks Judith I'm glad someone else thinks so too.
I'm sure they won't be insulted.
HS :D
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Looking at a useful booklet found in the National Lib catalogue. There is an absolute wealth of info here,especially lots of BYRONs. I have only transcribed those who have been mentioned in the thread.
Bungendore Cemetery 7/6/1847-30/4/2000 / compiled by Barry Stephenson ISBN 0646394967
Some info that relates to your family (no sign of Bridget and Honora, but a new surname spelling - NALLION/NALLIAN)
BYRON, Mary (nee Nallion). Died 1904. Father's name HAYLEN. Death registerd Bungendore 1904/865. Unmarked grave. Married John BYRON 1850
Mother of Patrick 1851-1876 Goulburn
Mary 1852-1/3/1931 buried Bungendore, m William LAWLESS Qbn 1874
John 1853-1923 buried Bungendore
Thomas 1856- m Mary Ann Lawless Qbn 1878
Anne 1858-
William 1860-1942 buried Bungendore
Richard 1862-00.081931 (sic) buried Bungendore
Catherine m William FLYNN Bungendore 1892
BYRON John D 25 July 1902 Reg Bungendore 1902/8713
Residence - Neil's Creek, spelt Neill's Creek in other obits and listed as 'between Hoskingtown and Bungendore'
Obit from Qbn Age but no further info therein.
HAYLAN Patrick and Bridget (nee Keating) mentioned but no new info.
Sue found a death of Mary J BYRON 1892, which looked possible, but the parents are listed here as Thomas and Mary A BYRON, son and daughter-in-law of Mary listed above.
NSW BMD definitely show the surname NALLIAN - perhaps worth getting that cert - just maybe Brdget or Honora may be witnesses??
V1850506 96/1850 John BYRON - Mary NALLIAN, Church Code LW (Roman Catholic Cooma, Monaro, Manaroo District, Qeanbeyan, TwoFOLD Bay )
Judith
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Thank you again Judith.
I do have that certificate for Mary Nallian and John Byron they were married at Bungendore. It is clear as day Hallian on the certificate have no idea why it is listed as Nallian.5x its written on there and its in the clearest hand writing I have ever seen on an old certificate. Witnesses are John Dwyer and Mary's brother Patrick Hallian.
I even sat at the library one day for hours checking the nsw bdm's and then getting out the reels with the old parish records on them just in case they were listed under Killion, Hoyland, Keelan ect. It would of cost me as fortune if they didn't have the reels at our local library.
I thought by putting a post here maybe someone linked to them if they married might see it or that fresh eyes might see something I missed.
Thank you soooooo much Judith.
HS :D
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Shipping record - I know you probably have this but thought it worth transcribing. It would seem there were many passengers on this ship joining convict parents. The only 'new' piece of info is a different spelling for Patrick's wife's parents.
Success arrived Sydney 17 Dec 1849
HALIAN Patrick, 36 Labourer, can read
Native Place: Kill West Meath,
Parents: Thomas and Mary, both died (this has been crossed out) and 'Father living in Sydney' written in. Father Thomas Halian per ship Cambridge, tried at Phillipstown, living
Bodily health, strength and possible usefulness: good
Wife: Bridget, 34, farm servant, native place Kill, West Meath, parents James and Bridget Caton? (both dead) RC, cannot read or write, no relations in colony.
Children : James 12, Bridget 11, Mary 6, Catherine 4, Thomas 1
HALION Honora 26, Mary 24, Bridget 25, all from Kill, none can read or write, all with parents Thomas and Mary - father living at Goulburn Plains, Thomas Halion per ship 'Cambridge', tried at Mullingar, Honora and Bridget listed as good health etc, Mary listed as 'clubfooted'
HALION Thomas, all details the same except can read, also states under "Complaints" - 'sister with complaints that she did not get porper attention or the requisite allowance of medical comforts' Doesn't say which sister!
Looking at Victorian BMDs 1836-1891 the only HELION I see is this marriage:
Marianne HELION = Joseph DE GILLE 1857 reg 4083
Tried Helian, Haylan, Haylen, Haylin, Halion, Helin, Healin
Judith
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Children : James 12, Bridget 11, Mary 6, Catherine 4, Thomas 1
These names are same as Hugh Helion and wife Mary children from Rahan,Tullamore King's Co. 1829.
Are you referring to Phillipstown King's Co.?
When did Thomas die or age of death.
The other names you refer too seem to have King's Co. organs.
Tom.
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Children : James 12, Bridget 11, Mary 6, Catherine 4, Thomas 1
These names are same as Hugh Helion and wife Mary children from Rahan,Tullamore King's Co. 1829.
Are you referring to Phillipstown King's Co.?
When did Thomas die or age of death.
The other names you refer too seem to have King's Co. origins.
Tom.
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Hi Tom,
Sorry I've only just spotted your message.
Yes it is Philipstown kings co.
We know that Thomas and Mary's last child was baptised in Westmeath in 1827. Mary would have been heavily pregnant when Thomas was convicted.
I know very little about Thomas and Mary.
I have been trying to put together a one name search for Halion but I'm extremely time poor at the moment.
Chat soon
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That is fine HS nice to here from you again.
I think a name search would be great, maybe some other family members would contribute as I do not have contact with them.
This looks to me as Thomas,Mary and the children were In a very poor position 1827.
I have been researching and am under the impression that the (TITHE WARS) 1815-32 were behind these family's moving to Aus. Like many thousands of Irish were evicted from their holdings. It happened with another Helion family in Offaly at that time. If Thomas was tried in Phillipstown then he must have been from the area Killoughy as the only main road runs from that area to the nearest barrack Phillipstown as Tullamore was closer,did not have a jail until 1830-40.
The Childerns names are all the same as the offaly names and Bridget is used a lot in the Killoughy family as after the St. Bridget who visited there in i think the 8th Century and the local church is named after and a holy well nearby on her way to Galway.
Thomas may have pleaded guilty to get a free pass for him and his children to Aus as was the case with many people after the famine.
The Fox's are based in Clara in the barney of [Far cell], they did marry into the Helion famely 1816 in Killoughy this was an unusual marriage! the name Honora is also found in this are 1891.
In resent years I have researched the name back to the 11th century and found some interesting events in witch the family were involved. I have to say that the helions followed a cretin pattern so it makes it easy to match up information, names , places and associations.
Hope this is of help HS.
Regards Tom.
Hop this is of help to you HS.
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I have been unable to trace a Mary HENLEN who also arrived in the colony in 1849 according to her death certificate. I'm wondering if this is possibly your Mary HAYLON? Mary married in Bathurst in 1852 to Joseph Fawcett. Just a possibility. Thank you, J.
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Hi guys I was sent this today and (highly recommend) this for anyone interested in the back ground places and traditions, people of this area including the Healions/Helion. The History of Ballyboy, Kilcormac and Killoughy, by Reverend William Shaw,Available at Offaly History Centre only 5 euro. Only for July and while stocks last. Also online from 1 July at our shop on www.offalyhistory.com .It covers the years from ab.1648 up to the 1970’s. I have studied this book and have used it for cross reference the Irish side of the Healion/Helion family. It also has sketch maps witch are very helpful as to cross reference with maps like the (Down Survey etc). The areas mentioned above are the areas where the irish Healions/Helion first set up so if you start your research their one should understand the migration into other areas from [Fer Cell] into Westmeath and the west. There are other publications that can be used to complement this book also availed so I recommend reading this one first. There are indexes of local family’s names as well on it, so you may want to research them as well as many emigrated together during the famine and turn up on citizen registrations and other records.
My regards
Tom.
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I have been unable to trace a Mary HENLEN who also arrived in the colony in 1849 according to her death certificate. I'm wondering if this is possibly your Mary HAYLON? Mary married in Bathurst in 1852 to Joseph Fawcett. Just a possibility. Thank you, J.
Hi J,
Do you have any more information on your Mary? Marriage certificate or death certificate? Maybe parents names or ship she arrived on?
I did have a Mary Halion go to Bathurst she married her second husband there and is buried at Bathurst cemetery under Mary Havenhand.
Any extra information would help me search the records I have.
Kindest regards
HS