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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: muffin74 on Wednesday 24 February 10 12:22 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on Margaret Dunlop (Great Grandmother) believe she may be from Garvagh.
Her age is 50 on the 1901 census and abt 65 on the 1911 census and in both cases she was living in Waterloo St Derry so prob born around late 1840's / early 1850's
Married my Great Grandfather Thomas Harkin (Postman, Holy hill) on 23rd Mar 1883 in Leckpatrick COI Tyrone, Occupation was given as Ladies Maid and Address as Holy Hill, Fathers name was Andrew Dunlop and his occupation is given as Carpenter, had 6 children between 1884 and 1891 (4 survived according to 1911 census) First 5 were born in Rossfad, Irvinestown, Co. Fermanagh and the sixth, My Grandfather Hugh Harkin (later changed to Harkens) was born in Shuttlehill, Coleraine, Co. Derry.
I have found a record of a Marriage between Andrew Dunlop and Jane Johnston at 1st Garvagh on the 10th Nov 1842 on the Bann Valley site.
One of Margarets children was called Johnston Harkin giving me a clue that the above might be her parents but I cannot find a record of her birth so cant be sure.
Any information that could confirm that the above Andrew Dunlop is indeed her father would be much appreciated!
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Hi - just read your thread concerning Andrew Dunlop and Jane Johnston. Andrew and Jane were my Great Great Great Grandparents on the paternal side of my family. Andrew Dunlop (Snr) and Jane had 6 children as far as I can ascertain including my Great Great Grandfather Hugh Dunlop and his brother Andrew Dunlop (who I believe is the Andrew you are referring to). Hugh Dunlop had a daughter Mary Dunlop who subsequently married my Great Grandfather Robert John Armstrong, the surname which I bear. The Armstrong family were proud of the Dunlop connection and in fact one of my christian names is Dunlop. The family had strong Presbyterian routes in Northern Ireland and family legend has it that a Robert Dunlop was a ship's mate on the Mountjoy which broke the siege of Derry. I don't live in Northern Ireland but I have visited the grave of Andrew Dunlop in Garvagh cemetery. Hope you receive this!
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PS. Mary Dunlop was born between 1854 and 1855 and would have been a cousin of your Great Great Grandmother Margaret Dunlop.
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Sorry - cousin to your your Great Grandmother!
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... I don't live in Northern Ireland but I have visited the grave of Andrew Dunlop in Garvagh cemetery.
There is no 'Garvagh cemetery' so the grave must be in one of the local burial grounds - St. Paul's Church of Ireland, First or Second Garvagh if in the town or outside the town (Errigal, Desertoghill, Moyletra, etc.).
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It was the First Garvagh Presbyterian Church cemetery
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Likely the old First Garvagh burying-ground near the river then.
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Well I presume so - the visit was in 2007 but from memory it was literally just off the main high street - there was a very small car park next to it.
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(Old) First Garvagh Presbyterian burying ground-
Erected by Hugh Dunlop of Garvagh. His father Andrew Dunlop died on the 1st October 1850, aged 72 years. His mother Jane on the 24th May 1856 aged 67 years. His son James Wilson on the 17th June 1844 aged 8 months. His wife Nancy on the 18th October 1867 aged 47 years. His son James Wilson Dunlop who died 18th Nov.1876 aged 29 years. Also the above Hugh Dunlop who died 1st March 1905 aged 88 years. Also Ina Dunlop died 1st July 1912, aged 42 years. Also John Dunlop died 7th July 1937. Jemima Dunlop 12th July 1964.
PRONI Will Extracts-
The Will of John Dunlop late of Killyvally County Londonderry Farmer deceased who died 23 December 1877 at same place was proved at Londonderry by the oaths of Hugh Dunlop of Garvagh Grocer and James Hill of Keurin (Garvagh) Farmer both in said County the Executors.
Probate of the Will (with two Codicils) of Hugh Dunlop late of Garvagh County Londonderry Merchant who died 1 March 1905 granted at Londonderry to John Dunlop Merchant.
Administration of the Estate of Ina Dunlop late of Main Street Garvagh County Londonderry who died 1 July 1912 granted at Londonderry to John Dunlop Grocer the Husband.
Dunlop of Garvagh county Londonderry gentleman died 7 July 1937 Probate Belfast 14 September to Mima Dunlop the widow. Effects £916 13s. 3d.
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Proni Will Calendars
Harkin, Hugh of 22 Ernest Street Londonderry retired labourer died 21 November 1958 at Londonderry Chest Hospital Londonderry Administration Londonderry 4 October to Olive May Harkens otherwise Harkin spinster. Effects £1359 10s.
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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First Garvagh Presbyterian Church
Graveyard Records
In memory of Thomas Dickson, Garvagh, died 10 May 1924, aged 66 years
his wife Jane Dunlop, died 19 Jan 1906, aged 54 years
and their daughter Sadie, died 9 Sept 1895, aged 14 years
Mary Dickson, wife of Marcus Dickson, died 28 July 1828, aged 30 years
(Jane Dunlop born c 1852 possible relative of Margaret Dunlop??)
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/RobertThompsonGarvagh.htm
Dickson, Marcus, Sgt., arrived New York on Columbia from Derry 12th March 1912, son of Thomas Dickson, merchant, Garvagh. Joined American Army. Returned to Garvagh 1921.
Dickson, Robert, Sgt., arrived N.Y. on Caledonia 25th April 1909 from Derry. Brother of Marcus (above). Worked to Baldwin Locomotive Co. Believed to have joined the Americans.
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I find this curious
Erected by James Jackson, Inchaleen
In memory of his beloved daughter Matilda M., who died 3 May 1875, aged 18 years
and the above James Jackson who died (date not recorded by me)
and his wife Elizabeth, died 18 April 1901, aged 85 years
and his son John, 17 July 1918, aged 64 years
Possible link, although Elizabeth Dunlop being born c 1817 to Andrew and Jane Dunlop doesn't fit with your data - you would need proof from the poster
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/dunlop/548/
"James Jackson, baker, m. Elizabeth Dunlop?. Children: Jane (1843), James (c1843), Elizabeth (1849), John (c1854). Matilda McCloy (c1857), Nancy, Mary Anne Reid (c1859), James Archibald (1862)" - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=652073.0
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1842
Nov 10 Andrew Dunlop Jane Johnston Saml Johnston & Constantia Dunlop 111
http://www.torrens.org.uk/Genealogy/BannValley/church/GarvaghP1/Marriages/1836-1844marr.html
(Witness was aged 46? Constantia Dunlop?)
1796 Sept 04 Constantia Dunlop, Garvagh
http://www.torrens.org.uk/Genealogy/BannValley/church/GarvaghP1/Baptisms/1795-1829.html
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In memory of Thomas Dickson, Garvagh, died 10 May 1924, aged 66 years
his wife Jane Dunlop, died 19 Jan 1906, aged 54 years
and their daughter Sadie, died 9 Sept 1895, aged 14 years
Mary Dickson, wife of Marcus Dickson, died 28 July 1828, aged 30 years
Actual headstone is slightly different, last date of death 1928.
Jane Dunlop, Maghera, daughter of Hugh Dunlop (merchant), married 29 Aug.1877 at Maghera Presbyterian church to Thomas Dixon.
Other marriages-
(1882) Lizzie Dunlop to Robert McCurdy
(1882) Mary Dunlop to Robert J. Armstrong
(1885) Martha Dunlop to Samuel Perry
(1889) Ellen Dunlop to William James Laverty
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Must have been transcribed wrong -
Mary Dickson, wife of Marcus Dickson, died 28 July 1828 (should be 1928), aged 30 years - comparing to the husbands date of return to Garvagh ......
Dickson, Marcus, Sgt., arrived New York on Columbia from Derry 12th March 1912, son of Thomas Dickson, merchant, Garvagh. Joined American Army. Returned to Garvagh 1921 - makes sense
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First Garvagh Presbyterian Church
Graveyard Records
Erected by Robert John Armstrong, Dullaghy
In memory of his beloved wife, Nancy, who departed this life, 14 Sept 1881, aged 35 years
also his son, John Hilton, who departed this life, 14 Sept 1891, aged 8 years
also his daughter Annie, who departed this life 8 Sept 1884, aged 3 years
also to the above named Robert John Armstrong, who died 25 Dec 1919, aged 72 years
also his wife, Mary Dunlop, died 10 Feb 1934, aged 80 years
also their daughter, Sarah Jane, died 7 April 1969, aged 83 years
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bannvalley/bv/graveyardfirstgarvagh.html
Mary Dunlop born c 1854?
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The Bann Valley site is full of errors, especially the gravestone transcriptions (punctuation added or omitted seemingly at random)- this one should read:
Erected by Robert John Armstrong, Dullaghy in memory of his beloved wife Nancy, who departed this life, 14th Sept 1881 aged 35 years. Also his son John Hilton, who departed this life, 14th Sept 1881 aged 8 years. Also his daughter Annie who departed this life 8th Sept. 1881, aged 3 years. Also to the above named Robert John Armstrong who died 25 December 1919 aged 72 years. And his wife Mary Dunlop died 10 Feby 1934, aged 80 years. Also their daughter Sarah Jane died 7th April 1969, aged 83 years.
(one of the witnesses was Martha Dunlop).
Robert John Armstrong's 1st wife was Nancy Hilton. He married Mary Dunlop on 20 Apr.1882 at Ringsend Presbyterian Chuurch
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Hi Captain Sailor, great to hear from you on this long forgotten about thread, sorry I haven’t responded sooner, since my first post I have gathered some more information and it certainly looks like the same Dunlop connection although I must confess in recent years I have not carried out any further research, I have also visited and photographed the Dunlop grave of which aghadowey has provided a transcription.
Hi whiteout7, the Hugh Harkin whose will you refer to was my Grandfather and Olive is his eldest Daughter, I also photographed the Dickson grave you have mentioned but am unsure of the exact connection although I can confirm from the photograph that the year of Mary Dickson's death is indeed 1928.
Maybe 2016 is the year my interest in my family tree will be re-ignited!
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I also photographed the Dickson grave you have mentioned but am unsure of the exact connection although I can confirm from the photograph that the year of Mary Dickson's death is indeed 1928.
See reply #13
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I just came across your post by accident .. you are right about the misprint. Mary Dickson would have been my grandmother . she died on july 28th 1928 apparently aged 28 after giving birth to my father Marcus Dickson . (he sadly passed away aged 84 in 2012 ) .. im curious to know where Jane Dunlop came from that was married to Thomas Dickson the grain and provision merchant , main street garvagh
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Jane Dunlop, Maghera, daughter of Hugh Dunlop (merchant), married 29 Aug.1877 at Maghera Presbyterian church to Thomas Dixon.
Dickson would have been the correct spelling and Jane Dunlop would have been my great grandmother on my fathers side then ??
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113 Maghera Church ... 29 Aug 1877 Thomas Dixon full Bachelor Merchant Garvagh Robert Dixon Farmer (father) (Alexander M. Millar ( witness) Page 57
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Hello Looks like Im a relation as well. My Great Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Dunlop (c1817 - 1901) daughter of Andrew Dunlop (c1778- 1 Oct 1851), She married James Jackson (c1817) a Baker, Garvagh..
Elizabeth had brothers
Hugh Dunlop (c1818 - 1905)
Andrew Dunlop (c1821)
sisters..
Constantia Dunlop
Mary Jane Dunlop .
I dont have much more on this line but the Dunlops had a Merchant bussiness in Garvagh Town, somewhere near the Second Garvagh Presbyterian Church.
Derek.
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I have a picture of Mary Jane Dunlop ..
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Thank you for your reply Derek :) .. you are correct , My Great Grandfather Thomas Dickson married Mary Dunlop . He had a shop in Garvagh that was passed down to his son Marcus Dickson Senior , then on to my late father Marcus Dickson. My father and his sister Jean are both buried in Main Street Presbyterian Church , Garvagh. Thomas , Mary , Dads mother nee Mary Glass and Mary Dunlops daughter are all buried in the old graveyard at the library beside Garvagh Bridge . I wonder why Thomas & Jane married in Maghera church ?? . I was wondering where she was born and brought up ? you think Garvagh ?
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Residents of a house 126 in Main Street (Garvagh, Londonderry) 1911 census
Dickson Thomas 51(1860) Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Derry Merchant R &W Widower - - - -
Dickson Aggie 31(1880) Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Derry School Teacher R&W English Single - - - -
Dickson Nellie 21(1890) Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Derry - R&W English Single - - - -
Dickson Marcus 19(1892) Male Son Presbyterian Co Derry - R&W English Single - - - -
Mcallister Minnie 17 Female Servant Presbyterian Co Derry General Domestic Servt R&W -
Thomas Dickson, Garvagh, died 10 May 1924, aged 66 years (dead 13 years later )
his wife Jane Dunlop, died 19 Jan 1906, aged 54 years ( born 1852) (died 5 years before this) when Marcus was 14 years old .She had Marcus when she was 40 .
and their daughter Sadie, died 9 Sept 1895, aged 14 years born (1881 the second born ) ( died 16 years before this census )
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Hello Erica, This is the boost I need riht now to get me back into genealogy. Sadly itts been a decde since I was devoted to Fmily research but that will hopefully change again as I now have more time on my hands due to ill health.
Thats a really lovely photo, very attractive lady and for her to be a sister of my Great Great Grandmther Elizabeth Dunlop I shall save and treasure this.
So nice to meet a relative working on Dunlops, never had this before.
I dont understand the Maghera link, or why your Mary Jane married there, maybe it was a change of scenery to make their day more special or maybe they were friends or related to the Minister.
In the Census is Jane, I dont see Mary Jane mentioned, but at least we get ideas of birth dates if the Jane is Mary Jane.
I sent you a PM so hope we can talk more soon.
Thanks for all this, Much appreciated cousin :)
Derek.